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Ashwin on Verge of World Record


By Gaurang
July 27 2016

He doesn’t look the part, at least off the field. Even on the field he is not naturally athletic, with a tall but thickset frame and somewhat ponderous movements he seems more like your average weekend athlete rather than a world class Test all-rounder who is on the verge of a stunning World Record. 

Ashwin needs 17 wickets from the next two matches to break Australian leg-spinner Clarrie Grimmett’s World Record of the fastest to 200 Test wickets which Grimmett reached in 36 Tests. If perchance Ashwin doesn’t do it in the next two Tests he still can tie Grimmett by taking 17 more during the next three Test matches.

Grimmett’s record stood for about 80 years, and is one of the most difficult ones to break. The next three on the list are a pace bowling trio that is certain to have haunted many a batsman’s nightmare.  Dennis Lillee and Waqar Younis reached 200 wickets in their 38th Test, while Dale Steyn took 39 Tests to reach his 200th wicket.

What is doubly amazing is that not only is Ashwin about to reach a milestone that a pure bowler, which the other four are, would be mighty proud of, he is doing so while also racking up batting statistics that place him in the company of the mightiest all-rounders in the history of the game.

I looked at all players who achieved the all rounders double double of 2000 runs and 200 wickets.  Among those some such as Sir Garfiled Sobers and Jacques Kallis were ahead of him in terms of runs, but way behind him in terms of wickets at the 33 Test stage.  Others were close to him in terms of wickets such as Wasim Akram and Harbhajan Singh but were way behind him in terms of runs at the 33 Test stage.

In 33 Tests to date Ashwin has 1317 runs at 33.76 and 183 wickets at 25.11. The corresponding figures at 33 Tests for the five others who have comparable figure to him are: Imran Khan 1183 runs at 24.64 and 128 wickets at 29.44, Sir Richard Hadlee 1147 runs at 27.05 and 154 wickets at 26.77, Sir Ian Botham 1548 runs at 32.93 and 162 wickets at 20.88, Kapil Dev 1234 runs at 27.42 and 131 wickets at 26.29, and Shaun Pollock 1255 at 32.17 and 133 wickets at 21.60. 

Ashwin obviously has the most wickets at the 33 Test mark among the elite all-rounders, but surprisingly he also has the highest batting average. Ian Botham has more runs than he does, but one must remember that Botham batted at No. 6 for most of that time, while the Test in Antigua was the first time that Ashwin got to bat that high in the batting order. 

There is no doubt that Ashwin is on his way to becoming an All-Time great. I know, some may find this a bit startling, but numbers don’t lie.  As a spinner his bowling peak is later than that of a pace bowler, so he can reasonably be expected to take over 400 wickets in his career, if he stays healthy.  It would also not be out of the question that he scores over 4000 Test runs, especially if he continues to get the chance to bat at No. 6 or 7 in the batting order.  His correct technique, easy timing of the ball, long reach, and languid stroke play reminds one of the great VVS Laxman.  This indicates that he has the batting ability for that high a spot in the batting order.   One could even argue that he has a fifty-fifty chance to become the ONLY player in the history of Test cricket to take 500 Test wickets and score 5000 Test runs. A peak that no other man has ever scaled in Test cricket.

But that would be a long ways away.   In the meantime let’s enjoy the very special skills of Ravichandran Ashwin.

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Discussion started by Indian Cricket Fever (IP Logged), 27/07/2016 18:03
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Birbal
27/07/2016 18:16
I think the picture I posted of Ashwin driving languidly through the off side, shows why I think he has shades of the GREAT VVS Laxman....smiling smiley

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Birbal
27/07/2016 18:54
Of course the challenge for Ashwin is to improve his record in Australia, England and South Africa... but given the fact that he now has a captain, Virat Kohli, who sees him as more than a containment option overseas, and provides him with attacking fields, plus his own maturing process, where he knows what works and what doesn't outside India should see his figures improve a lot in those places.

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Birbal
22/08/2016 17:07
Rain ruined any chance of Ashwin joining Clarrie Grimmett as joint fastest to 200 Test wickets... so the Australian legend's 80 year old record is safe...oh well...smiling smiley

If Ashwin were to take seven or more wickets in India's next Test at home versus New Zealand... he'd be the second fastest to the landmark ahead stalwarts like Waqar Younis and Dale Steyn.

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Birbal
25/09/2016 03:47
With 4 wickets in the first... Ashwin is now only 3 wickets away from 200... will be the FASTEST to 200 by an Indian by far... also the second fastest of ALL TIME... ahead of guys like Lillee, Waqar, Marshall, Murali, etc... WOW!!!

Meanwhile he has continued to contribute with the bat... his 40 was crucial in helping India to the 50+ run first innings lead.

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Birbal
25/09/2016 14:30
And he gets 3 already out of the first 4...in the second innings and reaches the 200 wicket milestone... FANTASTIC achievement by a CHAMPION bowler...

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Birbal
10/10/2016 19:29
He displaces Waqar Younis as the bowler with most wickets after 38 Tests, and soon after the Indore match after 39 Tests... He will continue replacing Waqar in that category and then will replace Steyn and Lillee too for quite a few matches going forward, if he keeps up his current form

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Birbal
10/10/2016 20:00
Next world record is FASTEST to 2000 runs and 200 wickets... that is pretty challenging.... as he doesn't get to bat much in India...

The record is 42 Tests by Ian Botham... Next best are Imran and Kapil both in their 50th Test...

Ashwin has 1510 runs in 39 Tests.. .of course he is already past 200 wickets...

So needs 490 runs in 4 matches counting the current Indore Test to match Botham for the World Record...

That is VERY unlikely

But he needs 490 runs in 10 matches to beat Kapil's Indian record... and become 2nd fastest in Test history to the double double... that is definitely possible...



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Birbal
12/10/2016 21:49
Ashwin didn't get a bat in Indore... but as a bit of compensation he was able to take 13 of 20 NZ wickets...

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apple
24/10/2016 08:04
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Birbal
Rain ruined any chance of Ashwin joining Clarrie Grimmett as joint fastest to 200 Test wickets... so the Australian legend's 80 year old record is safe...oh well...smiling smiley
If Ashwin were to take seven or more wickets in India's next Test at home versus New Zealand... he'd be the second fastest to the landmark ahead stalwarts like Waqar Younis and Dale Steyn.

I like Ashwin. But that's a record he doesn't deserve. While Grimmett also engaged in a bit of minnow bashing, he took wickets around the world, not on custom made, doctored home pitches.



Apple: Ignoring Shilpa since 27/3/2012 and Birbal (temporarily replying to him since there's no one else here 26/10/2015) since 16/8/2012

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Birbal
11/12/2016 01:19
apple the ignorant...shows his lack of knowledge of the game

Grimmett never played in Asia, or West Indies... played one series in SA all the rest either in England or Australia...

Btw, his average against England was a humdrum 32 runs per wicket... and strike rate of 80+ balls per...

So he engaged in some serious MINNOW bashing... against SA and WI who were minnows back in the 1930s and 40s...

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Birbal
11/12/2016 01:22
Meanwhile Ashwin continues tearing up the record books...with each Test... he has MOST wickets per Test since Test number 38... and forward...

Tremendous achievement by the Chennai lad.

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Birbal
12/12/2016 14:53
Two more Michelles and a Ten-for....


Sanjay Manjrekar on commentary pointed out that he now has FIVE separate weapons each with its own subtlety of angle, length and pace... DAMN!!!

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Birbal
22/12/2016 17:20
He is named Test Cricketer of the Year for 2016.... Totally deserved... Brilliant match winner with ball and bat...

Even with a sports hernia (which can be very painful) he persisted and played all 5 Tests... and contributed in each.

Will now earn a well deserved rest...until the next Test series against Bangladesh and Australia...

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Birbal
12/02/2017 18:28
Ashwin beats Dennis Lillee to 250 wickets...

Brilliant!.. absolutely brilliant bowler...

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Birbal
13/02/2017 17:42
And before people start saying... oh Ashwin hasn't been that great in Australia... remember Lillee averaged 100+ for three wickets he took in Pakistan...and NEVER played in India...smiling smiley

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Birbal
13/02/2017 17:47
If he scores 150 or more in next 4 Tests he will beat Imran and Kapil to 2nd Fastest to 2000 runs and 200 wickets...only behind Ian Botham.

It must be remembered that Ashwin has rarely batted at 6 while Botham batted at 6 for most of the time....

Even in this match versus Bangladesh he was demoted to 7... and Saha moved up to 6....

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Birbal
07/03/2017 18:36
Ashwin establishes ANOTHER WORLD RECORD... fastest to 25 Five Wicket Hauls... in only 47 Tests... next best is Hadlee who did it in his 62nd Test...

If he gets 4 more 5 fors in his next 5 Tests...he will have 29 in 52 Tests... It is widely accepted that a 5-for for a bowler is like a 100 for a batsman...

Bradman had 29 centuries in 52 matches... and if he achieves that, Ashwin will indeed be the Bradman of bowling.

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Birbal
04/08/2017 16:47
bump

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Birbal
04/08/2017 16:49
FASTEST to 2000 Runs and 250 Wickets... I know it is a somewhat artificial milestone...but no more artificial than fastest to 2000 runs and 100 wickets... which Cr@pinfo has been touting Moeen Ali for reaching faster than anyone...including Gary Sobers...smiling smiley

I still think he can be the ONLY player in Test history to reach the 5000 run 500 wicket QUINTUPLE DOUBLE... but before that he needs to match Kapil's QUADRUPLE DOUBLE of 4000+ Runs and 400+ wickets...smiling smiley

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Birbal
01/08/2018 22:04
He is erasing one DK Lillee from the record books for most wickets after "X" Tests...at a rapid clip...see:

[howstat.com]

It will be much harder to bump Muralitharan...though after he's done with DK...smiling smiley

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Max
03/08/2018 12:09
Brilliant bowling from Ashwin! 7 wickets and counting in the first Test. Has kept the batsmen on a leash throughout. First time since 1967 that a spinner has taken the new ball for India in England...shows how much India depend on him in Tests. Has well and truly shut up the haters who kept saying Ashwin can't take wickets away from Asia, etc. Keep it up Ash smiling smiley

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Birbal
03/08/2018 18:39
Same Haters never mention Lillee's hopeless record in Pakistan (admittedly only 3 Tests, but still 100+ runs per wicket... ouch!) and that he never played in India...

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Birbal
03/08/2018 18:58
Ashwin the GREATEST bowler in Test history... sounds ridiculous.. eh? But Stats don't lie...

He has more wickets after 59 Tests than Lillee, McGrath, Wasim, Waqar, Styen, Hadlee, not to mention Bedi, Chandra, Kumble, Harbhajan, Warne and Murali...smiling smiley

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Birbal
10/08/2018 15:57
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He displaces Waqar Younis as the bowler with most wickets after 38 Tests, and soon after the Indore match after 39 Tests... He will continue replacing Waqar in that category and then will replace Steyn and Lillee too for quite a few matches going forward, if he keeps up his current form

Yep... he has indeed replaced Steyn and Lillee and now seems on track to compete with the great Murali... Murali had a slight advantage in that except for Chaminda Vaas, there were hardly any other bowlers in the Lankan side who could get wickets... Ashwin has to compete for his wickets with Jadeja, and a bunch of pacers... all of whom pick up wickets much more effectively.

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Birbal
06/10/2019 17:09
Bump... He joins Murali with 350 in 66 Tests. Joint fastest. But with about 500 less overs bowled.



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