A trip to the Rosebowl is one hell of an adventure at the best of times but with floodlights and no public transport home will we be smiling at the end either way? Andy Caddick isn't ready yet but the 14 player squad looks strong enough to give KP and his boys a run for the points.
v Hampshire (FPT) @ The Rosebowl Friday 2 May 2008
Mascarenhas in India, no buses from the Rosebowl, no public parking because of waterlogged fields around the international cricket venue outside Southampton, no Caddick and Kevin Pietersen set to play. What else could be going on?
After talking about the difficulty of selection in the week, Brian Rose has managed to put together a 14 man squad for this game. In come the newbies from SA Zander de Bruyn and Alfonso Thomas they join;
No Munday so if it stays dry we may see Omari Banks for the first time - I think that might be doubtful. That may also be the same for Wes Durston and it would be no surprise if John Francis loses out to de Bruyn
So I'd expect the eleven to take the field to be;
Trescothick with Kieswetter, Langer, Hildreth, de Bruyn, Blackwell,Trego, Phillips, Jones, Thomas, Willoughby.
But that seems to give us a big tail and if that's the case then Durston may find his way back in at the expense of Jones? Will we gamble on the top 6 firing and go for a seam attack or add another batting spinner? 2:30 tomorrow will let us know the truth!!
If anyone is going to be there and wants to tell all the rest of us about it then send Grockles the text and we'll make you a star. After all, you're gong to have loads of time while trying to get to civilisation from the stadium anyway!!
The Game
Well a few surprises!! Justin Langer went down with a migraine just before the game and so we are led by Marcus with Zander de Bruyn playing along with John Francis. No place for Thomas yet and Durston did play, but more as a batsman than a bowler with Willoughby, Jones, Phillips and Trego offering the seam options, alongside the new boy from SA.
Wed woon the toss and decided to field. Again surprising because many believed that batting was the thing to do on a friendly pitch with late weather under lights a distinct possibility. Faith in our bowling capacity? Well it was something to understand the decision by anyway.
Lumb and Carberry opened for them again but this time it was Lumb who stood his ground as Carberry was first to go to Phillips
Blackie stops a Lumb boundary!!
Lumb worked with new man Crawley and put on 55 before he followed his partner at 92 to usher Kevin Pietersen to the crease. Interest from the photographers seems to have gone through the roof at this point.
55 and Out Mr Lumb
There's the good and the bad of our Kev of course.
A Pietersen 50!!
And big shots
and big shots
and even the technical stuff occasionally!
And then there's the things we all like to see when he plays against us!!
KP nearly doesn't make it
and then he doesn't again as.....
Zander castles the great man!!
So we say goodbye to the great star after a 99 partnership with Crawley and the start of another with Ervine.
213 for 4 is pushed to 286 by the close thanks to another 50+ from the aforementioned and Benham.
The radio commentators thought this was a near to winning total. Then again they also thought we had SEVEN Kolpaks (must have been talking to Kentish Townie about the state of Somerset cricket!!)
No more photos I'm afraid. It seems they all popped off to the pub after Kevin had to leave the middle. So I have no pictorial record of the worry that developed after Ervine bowled the skipper with only 4 on the total. But Kieswetter and de Bruyn soon sorted that out and Ervine took some real hammer going for 88 off his 10. They put on 65 with the keeper making most of the running before he finally died at 46 c&b'd by Lamb.
Enter the Mighty Hildreth and the game was over and done!! James went off at one hell of a rate and 50 appeared off well over a run a ball. Zander continued to his first half ton and together they put on 159 before Zander went up the wicket for the first time and dropped one down the throat of Lumb. By then it was pretty much over. Bond had already retired and the Hawks were cobbling together a bowling attack on a batting wicket (and not doing a particularly good job of it). Pietersen looked rusty, Ervine has getting tap and only Lamb was doiing something.
Blackwell smacked 21 off 14 but got a bit carried away and went, caught on the boundary. Frank tried a reverse sweep before he was really in and the home side had a little 'frisson' of hope before Wes calmed things down and helped Hilda put this one away and complete the double over Hampshire.
Brilliant. Willoughby and Trego deserved a word for tight spells on an unfavourable wicket and the other seam bowlers shared the wickets while Blackie put in 7 for 38.
But this was the Hildreth show. 112 off 131 with 12 fours and 2 sixes. The majority of his runs came in the first 50 balls before he put the brakes on to make sure we won.
On to Taunton on Sunday and a date with the Welsh. You'll be amazed at how far the stand has gone since last time we were there.
Mr Rose has already effectively said that the team batting second will be up against it.
I reckon we will hedge our bets and that De Bruyn will, therefore, supplement John Francis, as opposed to replacing him.
Team (predicted)
Banger
Craig
JL
Hildreth
Ian
De Bruyn
JF
Wes/Trego
Phillips
Jonah
Willow
The above team with Wes contains only four front-line bowlers. the final ten overs would have to be fiddled from Zander, Hilders and, mayb, Wes.
However, the Rose Bowl usually nips around a bit, so Zander may be capable, even without the help of Hilders and Wes.
More to the point, it's a long batting line-up in case we have to chase under the lights. And if we're bowling under the lights, that should be relatively easy, anyway.
The alternative team that we might see would simply have Trego instead of Wes. Still a fair length to the batting, though.
I'm not convinced that Thomas will automatically force his way in for this one. Don't think Banks will make it, either.
Now there you are you see, I'd forgotten that Zander bowls a bit and coupled with Phillips, Thomas and Jones batting a bit you might be right AG.
I think that would be at the expense of Peter possibly. But I can't see them playing John as an extra batter unless they push Zander out of where they've said they'd like to play him. However John is an asset in the close field so who knows.
Hampshire have discovered that it actually rains sometimes during an English summer and locating your only carpark on thick grass in a massively sloping field can result in waterlogging.
I wonder if the ECB thought of that when awarding the aggressive Hampshire chairman Rod Bransgrove the Rose Bowl`s first Test match against Sri Lanka in 2011?
You take someone with a wad of cash (and a mouth to match) and mix with a sporting venue in need of rejuvenation.
Then you hope they have the good grace to disappear once they've had their glory building the new place and are content with a stand or whatever in gratitude, having given the place good leadership and a sound, secure infrastructure that’s financially and materially sustainable.
Or else, when they so ingratiate themselves into the fabric of the place that they treat it as their personal fiefdom you wonder how to get rid of them before the achievements that have made are outweighed by cringing embarrassment at the things they’ve saddled you with.
Cook for a few years and it ends in an embarrassing internal strife, with truths, rumours and secrets laid bare for all to see. A little like the saga with Messrs. (never a better term) Blair and Brown at the moment, without the wad of cash!
The Rose Bowel was a good concept, ill thought out and planned. Out of town shopping applied to sport without the mechanisms in place to support itself. A similar story to that of many football clubs too.
I wonder if the pleas and bullying it has taken to get international status are in an effort to bully the planners into pushing through precedent planning laws which will increase the access to the venue or whether it’s all just part of an ego building exercise.
He who shouts loudest often get’s his way.
Not so with Grockle I see …
VtF.
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Blub - the Rose Bowl is regarded as seamer friendly. But it's also regarded as slow. In the one-day stuff, that can sometimes help the slower bowlers. To be honest, I was thinking more of Wes being included mainly for his batting/fielding.
Mr Rose's opinion is that whoever bats first will be favourite, so he may be thinking of contingencies if we aren't fortunate enough to maintain our 100% record in the toss department.
I would find it very hard to accept either Thomas or De Bruyn taking places in the team, especially at this stage in the season.
It would be an unjustified kick in the teeth to Francis, Duston, Trego or Jones if any of those players were to miss out.
I had hoped the club's management were listening to the widespread disappointment at those signings.
I'm just not sure I want to go and see a team with four South Africans in it, when there are Somerset players sitting in the pavilion who've done nothing wrong except be locally produced players.
You have NO idea what is happening during the training sessions KT or how the players have now been ranked according to ability with the additions to the squad.
John has had a couple of innings but nothing spectacular and isn't seen particularly as a one day player anyway
Wes may be 'kicked in the teeth' by the conditions as it is doubtful we'll play 2 spinners
Peter Trego and Steff Jones may be "kicking each other in the teeth" for a place anyway
You are assuming that players will be picked based on birthplace. No indication at all that that is the case. If they are picked on merit then no-one gets 'kicked in the teeth' the non players don't play because they aren't the best we can field in relation to the conditions.
There are THREE South Africans and they have done nothing wrong by your definition but be born in South Africa (everyone takes pay for playing the game so they are all employees of the club).
You didn't respond to the other thread so you probably haven't got the news yet but Craig Kieswetter has a British passport and no South African citizenship - sorry to burst that particular bubble for you.
Oh and Steffan and John weren't born locally either they must be kicking other local players in the teeth (awful lot of teeth lying about)
Yawn
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I agree Grockle,it's getting rather tiring.
We've been discussing this subject for a good while now and now is the time to stop grumbling and get behind whoever is picked.
Hope it stays dry,it's tipping it down here.
KT, as your post implies that de Bruyn and Thomas would play because they are South African, I would hope that if they do it would be due to their perceived and comparitive value to the team, not due to any form of inverted racism.
"I'm just not sure I want to go and see a team with four South Africans in it, when there are Somerset players sitting in the pavilion who've done nothing wrong except be locally produced players."
KT - change the record please. It's nothing but the same thing over and over again.
We all know your opinion, which you are entitled to, it just gets tiresome to have to read the same thing every time I log in.
I recall that De Bruyn bowled in the test series against England last time we toured (one to Zander). I don't remember much about his fielding to be honest (by default, one to Frankie). Could just come down to perceived form - Frankie did a cracking 'finishing' job in the win (why is it all good finishers seem to be left handed? Fairbrother, Bevan, Klusener) with Blackie, so I would like to see him persevered with, but I imagine it will come down to conditions, given the bowling option.
Jonah did nothing wrong with the ball in the abandoned game, getting the wickets to match Willo's miserly stuff at the other end, so I would stick with him and not just jettison him because Thomas is in town.
No-one anywhere has said that these boys have some divine right to be selected due to their previous national honours - they will still have to earn their spots and our boys have made a strong start to the season without them.
so.. do we know if there is anything wrong with JL?
Or do we think that he's been very fair minded and decided that because he showed no form in the last limited-overs game, that it should be he that drops out, as opposed to JF?
KT I'm just not sure I want to go and see a team with four South Africans in it
Then don't!
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BVIG No-one anywhere has said that these boys have some divine right to be selected due to their previous national honours
Quite so, BVIG. In fact the message from Rose was precisely that they haven't, which was good enough for me. I said my piece about tyhe signing iof De Bruyn, but that deal is now done. We have to move on, allow the selectors to select what they believe is the best team available, and support whoever takes the field in our name.
Thanks Mike - couldn't find a definite one last night so I sent people to radio Hampshire. Will update with yours.
Perish the thought that Justin has decided that he wants a local/international mix and has given both his established Somerset AND his new kolpak players the chance to show what they can do by making the space himself. Such selflessness for a paid "mercenary". he may have just left his "teeth kicking" boots at home by mistake of course
Presumably because Banger, with his experience, considerable cricket knowledge, and JL and BR in close attendance, with the pitch there in front of him, knowing Hants' line-up and the weather conditions visible, decided it was the right thing to do!
..as opposed to sitting in an office / living room / study many, many miles away...
SP Presumably because Banger, with his experience, considerable cricket knowledge, and JL and BR in close attendance, with the pitch there in front of him, knowing Hants' line-up and the weather conditions visible, decided it was the right thing to do!
Couldn't possibly be that, Shep.
It must be because he misheard his instructions!
Don't tell BJ that Kevin James has described Trego as a trundler, a dibbly dobbler..., not looking for a hatful of wickets but just to keep things tight. Our favourite trundler has ruined things by getting Lumb out.
Well, we'll see SP and FE but I really can't imagine that what Mr Rose meant by his comments about the toss was 'if you win it, you should put the other team in.'
I still suspect that the decision was either extremely ill-advised OR that it must have been taken because we were expecting significant rain-disruption*
* even if that were the case, the D/L system is not one in which it's automatically better to be chasing. Of course, under the old system batting second was at a huge advantage in the event of inclement weather.
I agree, AG, that Rose's comments (made yesterday or Wednesday, I guess) appeared to indicate that batting first would be preferable. All I'm saying is that Banger (and BR, I suspect) are actually there, have a fair bit of experience and probably know what they're doing. It doesn't look like it's working at the mo, but that doesn't mean it was the wrong decision.
And I don't normally go in for the whole 'we're not doing great so the decision must have been wrong thing."
For instance, some questioned batting first at Old Trafford as we 'appeared,' to struggle, but I believed that it was probably the right decision throughout (whether it actually was, we will never now know.)
I'm just trying to think what specific conditions may have prompted a re-think on what Mr Rose was previously implying?
One example could be if it's really overcast now, but meant to be clear later? However, I don't think that's the forecast.
Another could be if the pitch started really damp? But then won't it get dew and stuff later? Or are we too early in the year for that to happen?
Michael Brown has just alleged that Somerset have 7 Kolpak players on their books. Even allowing for the fact that we know he is mistaken, who can he possibly THINK the seven are?
de Bruyn, Thomas, Banks, Kieswetter, Willoughby, Caddick, Suppiah...?
I'm sure he can't labour under the misapprehension that all South Africans (or souther Africans) are Kolpaks, playing as he does with Pietersen, Ervine, Pothas, Lumb, Lamb...
They're talking Billy Taylor. Calf injury it seems
It's a real batting track by the looks of it and that says LOADS for the 10 overs bowled by CW!!
3 maidens 33 runs - you don't always have to take wickets to be significant in a game!!
Presently Somerset are 60 ahead of the Hampshire score at the same stage and at the start of the commentary they were talking about the 286 being a near to winning score... It surprises me because I would think we'd look at a score of 300 in a 50 over game as "gettable" most of the time.
They really are crowing about James H
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I'm not. Too much "kicking of teeth" from our kolpaks!! Is this going to be this season's KT 'runner'? Last year it was the pitch "killing cricket" and now it's ........
Apparently Bond was injured by a spectator looking for somewhere to park his bike.
Word of mouth has it that the Somerset fan looked a bit the worse for wear having got lost after parking his dormobile a mile or two from the ground and cycled to the ground to avoid the traffic congestion after the match.
At the moment Hampshire Police have no idea who the culprit is but he was heard to shout something about fine third man before running away with a younger lad,presumed to be his son.
Sad story this don't you think?
I remember back in the bad old days of football in the 70's and groups of Chelsea fans refusing to clap any goals scored for their team by black players.
I hope the fans who don't seem too keen on our overseas players don't react in a similar manner.
Great knock Zindine de Zander,plenty more of those please.
Still in the office and can't get real player on my office computer, so am reliant on you fine people and the vaguaries of Cricinfo. Nervous, yet confident at the moment.
Ian - semi-dropped but still there. And then caught next ball for 21. Calm down guys we don't need to win with lumps of overs left - we just need to win.
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Not from the info on the radio. Such a great shame the guy is such a talent but just can't stay fit enough to play the game...it's why some counties won't look at him.
Brilliant win, absolutely awesome effort from JH, CW, ZdB, CK and the rest. I had to go to attend to family stuff at 5.30, so haven't followed in detail - how I wish I'd heard the rest of the radio commentary from the ex-Hants players who were so ill-informed this afternoon.
AG, just how easy and dull a win would this have been if we'd batted first! ;-)
Onwards and upwards, lads...what a team we've got! Will Caddy and Justin get their places back? Our 47 Kolpaks will all be on the cider tonight - they deserve it.
And more headaches for the selectors - remember we're doing this without Langer and Caddick!! Thomas is yet to make a play and there are others on the leash!!
I've mailed Solent about their comment about seven kolpaks. We all seem to agree we probably have one too many but seven is just stupid!!
Gotta say that when you leave out one of the best number 3 batsmen in the world in order to make room in your side for a new kolpak player then there's the slightest hint of a possibility that he is excess to requirements but if he scores 50+ every time he's in that situation you won't find me saying anything against the man...just the decision.
Jim I hope you'll retract your disgraceful football related comment. You may not agree with my views on team selection but to make that sort of analogy is beyond the pale.
I was logged on to Cricinfo from start to finish.Tremendous. De Bruyn arrived in style...tell me is he pronounced 2 syllables as in Bear ? Anyway a fine knock to go with Charls great bowling and we did it without Langer Caddick-and effectively-Marcus T. Well played JH. It made a great nervous evening-I can always forsee a collapse.
My rermarks are nothing to do with you KT,I'm surprised a man of your intelligence thought they were.
I was simply stating what happened in Chelsea in the 1970's.
How on earth does that have anything to do with you?
Well, fellow Grockles, what a great day. A truly majestic innings from the Emperor and a performance full of character from our wonderful team. Two years ago we'd have caved in when Banger was out, but now we have men of steel.
The weather was wonderful, but chilly when the sun disappeared, with it went most of a fairly decent crowd. I wonder where they parked. I only saw one other cycle. Another advantage of cycling is that one can buy supper at M&S and get some exercise.
Plenty of Somerset fans there, a few of whom had far too much of whatever. A particularly embarassing fella from Bridgwater seemed intent on upsetting all around the ground. He stood on his own and slated Warnee, Southampton FC, Mascheranas, et al. I wonder if he makes it home in one piece!
Good to see Mr Gould and Will the exile and family, clearly having a great time and about 3 pints left with 1 over to go!
BJ, If West Ham come to Weymouth, I look forward to an enjoyable match.
Brilliant win, I only caught the last few overs "live" on radio. I don't understand why. now that I am retired I seem to have less time to sit in a room listening to cricket all afternoon.
With 20/20 hindsight, could MT's decision to field have been inspired by the fact that Hants were expecting to put us in/field whatever the outcome of the toss? An Aussie thing to put your opponents off balance from the start.
Some difficult team selection problems coming up, but Wes never seems to let us down so I fear that it is JF's place that is in jeopardy when the Captain returns.
geordie moonraker De Bruyn arrived in style...tell me is he pronounced 2 syllables as in Bear ?
I have a recollection GM (although it could be a senior moment!) that when he played against England some years back, the local commentators suggested it should be pronounced "de Brain".
Bishop Odo of Cluny confirms that you are not having a senior moment, FE. "de Brain" it is, apparently, although that may be a close approximation for the linguistically-challenged English.
Analysing James Hildreth`s match-wining innings in more detail this morning, it emerges even more impressive and mature than the mere statistics suggest.
He kept changing his role - never easy once you are in a groove in a limited-over match.
When he arrived at the wicket, de Bruyn was settling in but not accelerating - so Hildy immediately attacked, scoring at one time at a 155.50 rate during their vital partnership.
Then when his partner was out, he completely changed his approach, becoming the anchor man to first Blackie and then Wes,dropping his own scoring rate while the fireworks came from the other end.
When the winning hit came, his scoring rate had declined to around the run-a-ball mark - but it was just what was needed.
As for de Bruyn, who thinks that his bowling of Pietersen round his leg, just as the batsman was getting ready to launch into the final overs, kept Hampshire below 320 - and was as important as his own 79 runs?
I'm surprised that BJ hasn't already commented on the contribution of that "dibbly-dobbler trundler" Trego to yesterday's win. He took one vital wicket (Lumb) and his economy rate was second only to that of Willoughby.
I wonder whether K D James took note of that after his highly dismissive remarks.
Hello,hello hello.
Need I say any more about Trigger LoL?
The man is a gem,an allrounder of almighty ability.
Dibbly -dobbler trundler?
I'm sure if the Hampshire fans take a look at the scorecards of the last two games they'll realise who the dibbly dobblers are.
It sure aint us that's for sure.
I missed the end of the game as I had to take BVI Grocklette to the docs for some jabs, but what a magnificent win sheperded by the obscenely talented (and fast maturing) Mr Hilreth. I only hope that we get to savour a few more innings' like that before the inevitable call-up occurs.
Also, Messrs CW, PT, ZdB, CK and WD deserve honourable mentions. Willo has been nothing short of awesome in the last two OD games. Funny how press reports involving our teams all seem to focus on the more newsworthy players in the opposition... I have a feeling that if we keep performing as we are this season that trend may change.
Wonderful wonderful wonderful. And LOL - hopefully I will see you again soon in my world where we are the best batting side in the country!
I went onto Empics last night and this morning to pick up photos. It made no difference whether I typed in Hampshire or Somerset all I could get was photos of "Hampshire Hawks' Kevin Pietersen".
Now you've all had time to reflect on events I ask those who were there this question.
Just how good was the innings by young James last night?
It sounds an incredibly mature,masterful performance.
Does it look like he has progressed from last season?
Does he look ready to step up to the next level?
Was this a defining moment in his career because listening to it and reading about it it most certainly seems like it.
An excellent innings, showing great maturity. We appear to have an immensely strong batting line-up. Even Marcus could soon be looking over his shoulder.
Marcus appears to have been eating a few bangers this winter.
Great effort in the end. And, with hindsight (including hindsight on yesterday's game at the same venue,) it was probably the case that Marcus fielded because it seemed such a good track that we could probably chase down almost anything and/or it's not really the sort of track you want to be trying to defend on.
That said, it sounds like it got a bit hairy near the end, with Hants dropping catches.
And, as ever on what seemed to be a batting wicket, I was most impressed with what Charl did under the circumstances. Had they got off to any kind of a start against Charl, they would probably have topped 300.
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