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The Bear Facts - the Reply
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By Grockle June 14 2008
A terrible batting performance has left the Somerset bowlers with absolutely no space to make any kind of mistake. Ian Blackwell and the spinners may have to do the business to pull this one back. It is highly unlikely that this one can be retrieved and that means we will leave this tournament at the group stage and miss out on the later monetary rewards. But it's not quite over yet.
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A terrible batting performance has left the Somerset bowlers with absolutely no space to make any kind of mistake. Ian Blackwell and the spinners may have to do the business to pull this one back. It is highly unlikely that this one can be retrieved and that means we will leave this tournament at the group stage and miss out on the later monetary rewards. But it's not quite over yet.
v Warwickshire Twenty20 @ Taunton Saturday 14 June 2008
Ben Phillips and Mark Turner open for us in the second half of this game and it is more of the same. The bowlers seem to have as little idea how to deal with this type of cricket as the batsmen. Where the men with the sticks couldn't hit a barndoor unless a fielder was in front of it, the bowlers seem incapable of bowling a full ball to a set field. 14 off 2 becomes 24 off 3 as we get short ball after short ball hammered away.
There is a piece of absolute brilliance though when Trott skies one. Three fielders converge on the steepling ball and it looks to fall between them. That is until Marcus Trescothick drives forward and flies full length to take an immense one handed catch inches from the ground. 24 for 1. But after that comes more short stuff and more ful bodied blows as the Bears move towards a target that will give them no trouble against this type of attack. After five the score has moved to 42 for 1. Full tosses and half track nice ones ain't gonna do it boys I'm afraid.
Turner must have been listening because he finally gets one full and straight and Carter doesn't keep it out. 44 for 2 - "loverly" ball dude. More of those please! So...on comes Alfonso at the OP a tighter spell than the last from that end is vital. It's OK and it fits in with the first spin as Ian Blackwell starts his four overs at the River in the 8th. The Warwickshire 50 is up and we are still in contention but we fell apart about 20 runs from here and there is no indication whatsoever that they will so they should beat our score with about 5 overs to go at the present rate. However, they still need nearly 7 an over so if we can hold them......
Thomas helps us along the way by bowling Frost for 7 at 57 and then Turner turns fielder and nearly gets a run out at 58. They are scrabbling a bit and the fielding has gone up a notch in the level of intensity but you still feel that Warwickshire will have to lose this rather than Somerset win it. the run rate is up above 7 and the pressure is increasing. But we now put the game inthe hands of Wes Durston bowling to the left handers with them on 59 at half way. A boundary off the first isn't quite what we want but we have to keep the faith. 71 at the end of it
Arul's on at the River for the 12th and produces an excellent over with only 3 from it. The Wes experiment didn't work and we turn to Phillips to replace him for the 13th with the visitors needing 57 from 8. He finishes with 4 overs for 32 and they have 82 with 7 to go. A round 50 required but there is some sterling fielding going on and it may not be that easy if the bowling stays tight.
But it doesn't really because JL decides to move Mark T to the OP and he is immdiately deposited into the graveyard for 6. Warwickshire move to 100 in the 15th. Turner goes around the wicket but nothing really changes unless it's the Bear's scoring rate. He's trying to bowl 'yorkers' but they are turning into full tosses. He's only lucky that they can't get them away. However, it doesn't seem to have affected Arul who bowls Troughton going for the big 'heave ho' - 110 for 4. They need 21 off 4 overs. Turner got 2 for 32 but bowled too much short stuff.
Thomas comes in from the OP for over 17 and produces the goods 114 for 4 when he finishes. 18 off 3 with Blackie sent in to do the same at the River. A dot is followed by a boundary however and we don't have enough to play with. 121 with 2 to go. There's almost a runout as they go for two off ball 3 but it's not close enough and they get the vital run. Alfonso comes back firing and nearly has Powell LBW. Luckily for us, Powell stands in the middle waiting for the umpire to say no and while he does that we run him out. Botha comes in for the 7 balls left with the Bears needing the same number of runs. Thomas finishes with 12 runs off his excellent 4 overs and Ian B gets the chance to win the game!
Ball 1 - single (6), Ball 2 - dot (6), Ball 3 - 4 (2), Ball 4 - single (1), Ball 5 - 4 Warwickshire win
It will read closer than it actualy was. If we were going to produce this bowling display we should have produced a better batting performance. Overall it will look decent. Actually it was a pile of steaming manure from our point of view with a couple of flowers masking some of the stink.
Alfonso Thomas bowled exteremly well and once again Marcus lead from the front with Justin. Other than that and some little bits from fielders and Arul with the ball it was all pretty predictable.
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Warks 20:20
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:09:56:03
Mr Rose says that he cannot understand why the middle-order is performing so badly and is threatening a 'major discussion,' about it all this morning.
Personally, if we could actually bat first, I would expect to see the middle order do much better if not under the pressure to get a high run-rate with the field back and no chance to play themselves in.
Personally, if we could actually bat first, I would expect to see the middle order do much better if not under the pressure to get a high run-rate with the field back and no chance to play themselves in.
Re: Warks 20:20
Posted by: Palairet (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:13:59:00
Perhaps Justin Langer is getting the hang of it all at last. He won the toss and decided to bat first!
Re: Warks 20:20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:14:08:17
Tried to announce the thread but the thing wouldn't have it so there is story building as we go at on the front end.
Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:14:26:56
Dismally, Mr Rose says that even though Charl has a slight hip injury, we might 'be forced,' to play him tonight because we 'can't afford another defeat.' This 'despite our initial intention to rest him.'
Yes we can, Mr Rose. If we lose, big deal. If we lose Charl, there will be an awful lot of fans that will be irate that he was risked despite having this slight injury.
In other news, Ben Phillips and Arul Suppiah are also in the squad.
Yes we can, Mr Rose. If we lose, big deal. If we lose Charl, there will be an awful lot of fans that will be irate that he was risked despite having this slight injury.
In other news, Ben Phillips and Arul Suppiah are also in the squad.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:15:04:16
It is a big deal, potentially lost, if we lose.
He can be rested from the not so important CC games.
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He can be rested from the not so important CC games.
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Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:15:08:47
Nope, he can't. He needs to play every CC game in order to help make 99% of folks here very happy by helping us to win the CC.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: bloke (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:15:16:41
You wait for a bus......
Radio Somerset (1548AM and 1566AM) commentary of Glamorgan v Somerset, starting at 7.00pm. Don't know about online.
Commentary will also be on Radio Wales (882 and 657 AM, and online)
Radio Somerset (1548AM and 1566AM) commentary of Glamorgan v Somerset, starting at 7.00pm. Don't know about online.
Commentary will also be on Radio Wales (882 and 657 AM, and online)
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: fRed (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:16:07:22
Has Brian Rose actually said what our priority is, CC or T20? There's potential big bucks for the T20 finalists.
Cricket's the winner.
Cricket's the winner.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:16:09:59
I don't think he wants to say much publicly, lest he upset his captain, since JL has made it very clear where his priorities lie, and rightly so.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:16:11:51
Everyone keeps talking about the big bucks from the T20 finals.
But don't people think that most or all of the money will end up in the pockets of the players anyway? It doesn't benefit a club if they win loads of money but 99% of it dissappears out the window in win bonuses.
But don't people think that most or all of the money will end up in the pockets of the players anyway? It doesn't benefit a club if they win loads of money but 99% of it dissappears out the window in win bonuses.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: averageside (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:16:39:17
Brian Rose in a Press comment was saying how the batting of Somerset was not up to standard in recent matches and that when many batsmen are failing it was putting pressure on middle and lower order. (Which is pretty obvious observation after the Kent,Yorksire and 20/20 opener) it was ever thus in all forms and levels of cricket, but these are professionals so expected to do better and paid for their efforts.
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Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:17:59:22
Why are we batting last again, also under lights?
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: averageside (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:18:11:14
Its so puzzling. winning the toss and putting the oppostion in so somerset will bat in twighlight , and different light and Glam are 34-0 in 4 over.
I will offer odds of 4/1 Somerset ,1/3 Gamorgan any takers?
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I will offer odds of 4/1 Somerset ,1/3 Gamorgan any takers?
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Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:18:29:13
Two wickets down for Glamorgan that may slow the runs down a bit.
Keep taking wickets is what we didn't do the other night.
Keep taking wickets is what we didn't do the other night.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:18:58:01
I'm not listening but Wes takes a wicket with his first ball.Now he's got Gibbs.What a star.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:19:11:48
I'm not listening either but it's good to hear that Wesley Hall and Lance Gibbs are engaged in the current Caribbean Test.
LoL
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Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:19:17:48
Glam 170/5 off 20. We should knock them off easy.
My mate (Andy Balderdash) tells me that Radio Wales are doing a great commentary.They interviewed Steffan a moment ago.I suppose he's the only Somerset player they understand.
My mate (Andy Balderdash) tells me that Radio Wales are doing a great commentary.They interviewed Steffan a moment ago.I suppose he's the only Somerset player they understand.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:19:21:16
Are you admitting, BR, that you've got mates who are listening tonight?
LoL
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Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:19:26:00
I wonder why Blackwell only bowled three overs at less than five an over.
I hope he is not injured.
I hope he is not injured.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: averageside (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:19:33:23
Goodness me whatever next , Ex footballer Bobby Gould commentator giving"expert Summaries" on BBC Somerset,aaaghhh I think over to Radio Wales
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Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:19:41:21
Yes LoL I'm admitting I've got mates.
Switch to Radio Wales Average.My mates tell me it's a better commentary.They had Steffan on.Only Somerset player they could understand.
Switch to Radio Wales Average.My mates tell me it's a better commentary.They had Steffan on.Only Somerset player they could understand.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:20:44:18
Steffan played for Llangennech last week or so I'm told.
Bowled well without taking a wicket apparently.
Is this match on now?
Bowled well without taking a wicket apparently.
Is this match on now?
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:20:51:01
Do you mean the West Indies Test? Yes, I'm enjoying it.
LoL
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Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:20:51:39
Played 2 lost 2, oh dear!
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Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: averageside (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:20:54:37
Remarkable prediction . I heard Dean Cosker say on radio in Glams 2nd over that 170 would be winning score on the pitch they were playing, it was slow . And thats why they were playing 3 spinners. Seems Glamorgan ouplayed and outhought somerset even losing the toss.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:20:57:04
I think the prices you were offering very early on proved a point too Average.
This was sadly predictable.
Unlike the four day matches we've taken part in this season which could have gone either way right up to the end.
You can't deny the facts.
This was sadly predictable.
Unlike the four day matches we've taken part in this season which could have gone either way right up to the end.
You can't deny the facts.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: fivehead phil (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:21:01:07
How disapointing. would it be contraversial to say we need to drop Hildreth and play de Bruyn or Suppiah
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:21:12:13
WHY are we inserting and batting in the gloaming - it makes no obvious sense.
Our middle order were dire again - 3 ducks and the old fox Croft gets 3 wickets!
Time for a rethink methinks.
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Our middle order were dire again - 3 ducks and the old fox Croft gets 3 wickets!
Time for a rethink methinks.
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Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:22:29:05
Hit & squirm !
Grizzzly
Grizzzly
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:22:43:28
Wurzel I don't think the great Bill Shankley would take H&G seriously.It's only a mickey mouse game for a bit of fun and a bit of cash.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:22:44:17
I've been disappointed with these 2 games.We've had good starts in both our replies but have chosen to chase. I suppose tomorrow in bright sunshine we'll bat first!!. At least the guys playing belong to us. I find it difficult to believe that Durham can be happy with their win tonight when 6 of the wickets were taken by Pollock and Morkel who were signed purely for the 20/20. This brings the whole competition into disrepute - (or should I say into even more disrepute) although they are not the only county to do this.
JH is so out of touch that to rest him would do him a good turn.
I would go with the following line up tomorrow -in batting order.
Trescothick Kieswetter Langer Trego Blackwell Suppiah Durston Jones Philips Thomas Turner AND would bat first.
JH is so out of touch that to rest him would do him a good turn.
I would go with the following line up tomorrow -in batting order.
Trescothick Kieswetter Langer Trego Blackwell Suppiah Durston Jones Philips Thomas Turner AND would bat first.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:23:03:23
This is so boring. Both defeats were hugely predictable from early in the piece. If anyone can think of a good reason for Ian only bowling three overs, I'd like to hear the theory?
But.. we're all but out of this.. or will be if we lose to Warks tomorrow, which I strongly suspect we will. I don't really care, but if we're going to opt out can we please do so properly and show this comp this disdain which, frankly, it deserves. I am so bored with it already.
As SLB said, inserting was also the height of idiocy - again.
But.. we're all but out of this.. or will be if we lose to Warks tomorrow, which I strongly suspect we will. I don't really care, but if we're going to opt out can we please do so properly and show this comp this disdain which, frankly, it deserves. I am so bored with it already.
As SLB said, inserting was also the height of idiocy - again.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:23:14:02
They are saving Ian for the C.C. that may be why he's rashioned in overs.It's also not fair on the others if he gets a bat and bowl and they don't.
A little known fact is that while a child Chesterfield Mum and Dad bought Ian a bat and ball hence he can excel at both disiplines.
Shame they didn't get him a fielding machine.
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A little known fact is that while a child Chesterfield Mum and Dad bought Ian a bat and ball hence he can excel at both disiplines.
Shame they didn't get him a fielding machine.
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Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:23:16:51
huh? Ian not bowling six balls will be key in resting him for the CC??? You jest, surely???
We should just withdraw rather than risk anybody in this dross.
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We should just withdraw rather than risk anybody in this dross.
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Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:23:19:52
Caching,caching,caching.No way can they withdraw.The bank manager wouldn't be too happy.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:23:28:15
When I was young my parents bought me a typewriter.
Needless to say I excelled at rugby.
How I now wish I could find my unused typewriter,sitting all alone and dusty in a cupboard with my maths text books.
I think it's gone forever though.
Gone,but never forgotten.
Needless to say I excelled at rugby.
How I now wish I could find my unused typewriter,sitting all alone and dusty in a cupboard with my maths text books.
I think it's gone forever though.
Gone,but never forgotten.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:23:33:17
But if only Mr Barclays would let us withdraw, Jim?
We could get everyone practicing for the imporant stuff to come.
I was delighted to see that Mr Rose did not bother to field Charl and I would like to think that he won't appear at all in this dullsville competition.
Does anyone have any info on the second XI? I feel a serious hankering for even three day second XI cricket - esp with Caddy involved, rather than this 20:20 garbage.
We could get everyone practicing for the imporant stuff to come.
I was delighted to see that Mr Rose did not bother to field Charl and I would like to think that he won't appear at all in this dullsville competition.
Does anyone have any info on the second XI? I feel a serious hankering for even three day second XI cricket - esp with Caddy involved, rather than this 20:20 garbage.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:23:37:56
There are no 2nds fixture during H&G season.The idea is that all players will be available for 20/20
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:13:23:43:36
Christ, that's awful news.
Does anyone know whether Caddy will have any games for Clevedon etc?
Does anyone know whether Caddy will have any games for Clevedon etc?
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:01:39:51
"Re: Glamorgan 20:20 new
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 13 June, 2008 23:37
There are no 2nds fixture during H&G season.The idea is that all players will be available for 20/20"
Absurd in the extreme !
Grizzzly
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 13 June, 2008 23:37
There are no 2nds fixture during H&G season.The idea is that all players will be available for 20/20"
Absurd in the extreme !
Grizzzly
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:06:31:36
I went to bed last night feeling depressed. Yes, the CC is the most vital and no we shouldn't play Charl or Caddy but I'd like to see a bit of a fight.
I woke up this morning feeling optimistic realising that today we shall get our act together, hammer Warwickshire win the other 7 matches as well and top the group.
I woke up this morning feeling optimistic realising that today we shall get our act together, hammer Warwickshire win the other 7 matches as well and top the group.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:07:19:20
All is not lost, but it's bloomin depressing. I can't comment on last night, not being there, but we didn't look up for it on Wednesday.
For the majority on here, these defeats are even worse than you thought, as they destroy confidence, which we need when we resume other formats.
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For the majority on here, these defeats are even worse than you thought, as they destroy confidence, which we need when we resume other formats.
Blackie for Somerset Captain 2009
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:08:00:14
We try and stay away from personal attacks on here, but I think questions need to be asked.
Never mind the 20/20 crowd it wouldn't do any harm to ask the players in confidence on what their opinion is on why this is happening.
Never mind the 20/20 crowd it wouldn't do any harm to ask the players in confidence on what their opinion is on why this is happening.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: averageside (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:08:13:14
Having the attitude showing " disdain for Comp that it deserves" is frankly silly. 20/20 is here to stay and if anything will get bigger whatever traditionalists , like many of us think. Somerset havenot been very good at it since winning the first year and many other counties have improved. Having listened to the Glamorgan match I can see why, Bad decision inserting ,not reading the pitch well, and failure with Top order batsmen. I find it strange that the captain seems to prefer batting second in one day matches recently because it aint working, the batsmen not handling the pressure chasing very well.
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Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:08:32:02
I'm really not at all convinced that 20:20 is here to stay. It produces for too many uncompetitive matches.
At the very least, I think they should introduce a preliminary knock-out round to get rid of those teams that lack interest in/aptitude for this form of the game. At least that way we would not have to play seven dead rubbers as we will probably have to after today (especially if we end up batting second again!)
In both games, we have appeared clueless with the bat once the field has gone back.
I suppose, this time, we're due to lose an early wicket or two which means middle-order players might just get 6 or 7 balls in which to play themselves in and we'd see what they can do then (or not?)
At the very least, I think they should introduce a preliminary knock-out round to get rid of those teams that lack interest in/aptitude for this form of the game. At least that way we would not have to play seven dead rubbers as we will probably have to after today (especially if we end up batting second again!)
In both games, we have appeared clueless with the bat once the field has gone back.
I suppose, this time, we're due to lose an early wicket or two which means middle-order players might just get 6 or 7 balls in which to play themselves in and we'd see what they can do then (or not?)
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:08:38:28
"For the majority on here, these defeats are even worse than you thought, as they destroy confidence, which we need when we resume other formats."
Yes, Beefy, I will admit that does concern me. Which is why I think anyone of importance to the CC side should not play again after today (assuming that Warks will win the game today). We don't want people getting in a huge trough.
I think the remaining 7 games (assuming defeat today) should be an ideal opportunity to give young and enthusiastic cricketers a chance to play in front of larger than normal crowds. Why not give us a chance to see someone like Lloyd Alley? I think it would be a good reward for any and all SCCC youngsters that have worked hard at their games.
Yes, Beefy, I will admit that does concern me. Which is why I think anyone of importance to the CC side should not play again after today (assuming that Warks will win the game today). We don't want people getting in a huge trough.
I think the remaining 7 games (assuming defeat today) should be an ideal opportunity to give young and enthusiastic cricketers a chance to play in front of larger than normal crowds. Why not give us a chance to see someone like Lloyd Alley? I think it would be a good reward for any and all SCCC youngsters that have worked hard at their games.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:08:44:26
What an excellent idea AG.
I too had feared that these defeats would dent the confidence for the CC but I have faith that we're now single minded enough not to let them effect the players too much.
Only time will tell of course but I think we can be assured the management will have everyone back on course come the four day stuff.
I too had feared that these defeats would dent the confidence for the CC but I have faith that we're now single minded enough not to let them effect the players too much.
Only time will tell of course but I think we can be assured the management will have everyone back on course come the four day stuff.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:08:57:28
If I lived near Taunton, I might even go to see one of the games if we were fielding guys that I've never seen before and that might be part of our future. I'd certainly rather watch that than watch a bunch of hired hands who have been drafted in specifically for the competition (as many other counties have done.)
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:09:06:39
You'd have to remember to take the ear plugs.
I heard Lemmy from Mororhead complained about the volume of the PA system at a T20 match recently.
He was heard muttering "it just aint f..... cricket".
I heard Lemmy from Mororhead complained about the volume of the PA system at a T20 match recently.
He was heard muttering "it just aint f..... cricket".
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:09:27:29
The Catch 22 though gentlemen is that if you want to attract the new young supporter you have to give them the "caviar" and not the "cod roe" (no disrespect the the up and comers implied).
Rest Caddy by all means, this isn't his format. but you're not doing dervice tot he paying punters if you don't play the people this format is made for.
Willow and Phillips should do well at this. Blackwell and Hildreth were made for it and Marcus is taking it by storm. Rest Craig if you're not going to use him properly and let Carl keep. Give Munday a run and Banks and get Turner fit using it. Maybe rest el Capitan.
But play a side that should win with stars in it who should play. If not you're no better than Arsenal in the FA Cup.
It's a major competition and if we are in it we should plan to win it and give our support a good look at the good stuff while we do.
Rest Caddy by all means, this isn't his format. but you're not doing dervice tot he paying punters if you don't play the people this format is made for.
Willow and Phillips should do well at this. Blackwell and Hildreth were made for it and Marcus is taking it by storm. Rest Craig if you're not going to use him properly and let Carl keep. Give Munday a run and Banks and get Turner fit using it. Maybe rest el Capitan.
But play a side that should win with stars in it who should play. If not you're no better than Arsenal in the FA Cup.
It's a major competition and if we are in it we should plan to win it and give our support a good look at the good stuff while we do.
Re: Glamorgan 20:20
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:09:43:30
Interestingly, Grockle, we have been heavily favoured by the bookies in both of our first two games and are heavily favoured again today. I can't quite work out why, but those are the facts.
Presumably, Grockle, you would not really advocate playing Charl if he does have (as Mr Rose has suggested) a 'slight hip injury,'??
Presumably, Grockle, you would not really advocate playing Charl if he does have (as Mr Rose has suggested) a 'slight hip injury,'??
Re: The Bear Facts - the Reply
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:15:15:19
I've stuck everything together because it's much of a muchness at the moment.
In reply AG. I'd favour playing anyone who has an idea how to play this game.
It isn't good enough to accept going for 6 an over with the ball and it isn't good enough to only want the odd single in an over with the bat but we seem to have a knack of doing both with the sides we have put out.
If Charl is injured then he shouldn't play but we employ these people to play the games we have.
They know what they are signing up for and they are the squad we advertise as being 'Somerset'. I'm all for blooding players and if we can support them then get them in but we have a product and it's what we sell.
Then again we might as well play anyone at the moment because we don't seem to have a clue.
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In reply AG. I'd favour playing anyone who has an idea how to play this game.
It isn't good enough to accept going for 6 an over with the ball and it isn't good enough to only want the odd single in an over with the bat but we seem to have a knack of doing both with the sides we have put out.
If Charl is injured then he shouldn't play but we employ these people to play the games we have.
They know what they are signing up for and they are the squad we advertise as being 'Somerset'. I'm all for blooding players and if we can support them then get them in but we have a product and it's what we sell.
Then again we might as well play anyone at the moment because we don't seem to have a clue.
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Re: The Bear Facts - the Reply
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:15:18:40
I think we may be coming from this from a slightly different angle Grockle.
It's obvious that some of our established"names"are badly out of sorts.
Maybe their minds are on the Championship,maybe they just need a rest.
Perhaps a bunch of raw youngsters with a point to prove would be a more interesting proposition.
I think we'd all agree that a professional cricketer should be able to focus at all times but sadly some of our lads just aren't producing the goods in this shortened format.
So do you play the "names"just to keep the crowd happy whilst they struggle or do you give somebody else a chance?
Surely little Johnny would rather see the Sabres victorious than a bunch of tired SCCC players badly out of form and losing?
I want to see the club successful in everything they do.
This obviously isn't working.
It's obvious that some of our established"names"are badly out of sorts.
Maybe their minds are on the Championship,maybe they just need a rest.
Perhaps a bunch of raw youngsters with a point to prove would be a more interesting proposition.
I think we'd all agree that a professional cricketer should be able to focus at all times but sadly some of our lads just aren't producing the goods in this shortened format.
So do you play the "names"just to keep the crowd happy whilst they struggle or do you give somebody else a chance?
Surely little Johnny would rather see the Sabres victorious than a bunch of tired SCCC players badly out of form and losing?
I want to see the club successful in everything they do.
This obviously isn't working.
Re: The Bear Facts - the Reply
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:15:20:10
I wondered what had happened to my post of about 20 minutes ago.
If the one above looks familiar then you know what has happened.
If the one above looks familiar then you know what has happened.
Re: The Bear Facts - the Reply
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:15:51:39
Not sure who is badly out of form BJ. We were leading the championship and got to the quarters of the one day. Who needs a rest? And how do they get back into form if they don't play?
Re: The Bear Facts - the Reply
Posted by: Fiddlesticks (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:16:11:47
I think as far as 20-20 goes Langer's captaincy needs questioning.He seems to want to protect bowlers rather than use them to take the initiative. At one point warks were wobbling when westwood came in thomas was 2 overs for 6, Blackwell 2 overs for 7 and both were taken off to bring on Durston and Suppiah! Durston goes for 11 pressure off in a tight match. He seems to like not giving any bowlere more than 2 overs in a row which is fine if theyre getting battered but doesn't make any sense otherwise.
Re: The Bear Facts - the Reply
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:16:12:51
Badly out of form in the T20 format Grockle.
I only go on what I read.
One poster complained that certain individuals were struggling.
If that's the case then let someone else have a go.
Sort of makes sense in an odd sort of way don't you think?
I only go on what I read.
One poster complained that certain individuals were struggling.
If that's the case then let someone else have a go.
Sort of makes sense in an odd sort of way don't you think?
Re: The Bear Facts - the Reply
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:16:33:00
Yep Hildreth and Durston are two who aren't doing much in this and maybe that's where you make the changes.
In some cases the captain isn't helping. He moved Turner from the end where he'd taken wickets to the other for one over, he bats Kieswetter low down, he uses Durston when it makes little sense given his present form with the ball. But I don't see where James is going to get better in the nets, he needs to play through it.
These games are not deciders of form really, especially for bowlers. but when they keep on falling at the hurdles then let's give someone else a go. Arul bowled fairly well today so let's keep him in and give Omari another go. We aren't going to qualify now anyway so we have a bit more leeway after this.
And anything has to be better than this garbage I have to say.
In some cases the captain isn't helping. He moved Turner from the end where he'd taken wickets to the other for one over, he bats Kieswetter low down, he uses Durston when it makes little sense given his present form with the ball. But I don't see where James is going to get better in the nets, he needs to play through it.
These games are not deciders of form really, especially for bowlers. but when they keep on falling at the hurdles then let's give someone else a go. Arul bowled fairly well today so let's keep him in and give Omari another go. We aren't going to qualify now anyway so we have a bit more leeway after this.
And anything has to be better than this garbage I have to say.
Re: The Bear Facts - the Reply
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:16:37:36
Totally agree,this is not good enough.
Whilst I don't get too excited over T20 the point is we seem to be in a slump of form and confidence.
I have faith that the men who matter will sort this out pretty sharpish.
Whilst I don't get too excited over T20 the point is we seem to be in a slump of form and confidence.
I have faith that the men who matter will sort this out pretty sharpish.
Re: The Bear Facts - the Reply
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:14:18:14:38
We don't seem to like being Bookies favourites!!
We batted very poorly after the openers had give a pretty good start on a slowish, two paced Taunton wicket.
Agree that JL's tactics didn't seem to help when we were beginning to build so pressure.
The Fonz bowled well again as did Blackie. But for me Turner was trying to be too clever and fooled himself rather than the batsmen!
We batted very poorly after the openers had give a pretty good start on a slowish, two paced Taunton wicket.
Agree that JL's tactics didn't seem to help when we were beginning to build so pressure.
The Fonz bowled well again as did Blackie. But for me Turner was trying to be too clever and fooled himself rather than the batsmen!
Re: The Bear Facts - the Reply
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)