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Back in White - South Africa 3 Day

First ball intro
By Grockle June 29 2008
So the Twenty20 is over for another year and we are back in the true colour of cricket against the tourists on a Sunday. Decent crowd and the first part of the new stand open to the public -changes are coming people and this may not be part of the future in the brave new world so enjoy it while you can....

v South Africa (Tourist)@ Taunton 29 June 2008

Scorecard

White clothing, international batsmen at the crease, an abundance of Platinum members in the crowd and a full press box.  It must be a dream!  But no, it's the tourist game on a Sunday.

The Somerset promise of the Bok's versus the cream of "English" Somerset youth is about right but not what we expected entirely. The side that lost the toss and have been put in the field is;

Edwards, Suppiah, Hildreth, Trego, Durston, Kieswetter, Jones, Turner, Caddick, Munday AND (fanfare) de Bruyn

I have absolutely nothing against Zander but I fail to understand the logic of this.  No Banks (injury?).  No Gazzard with the gloves (with Craig as a batsman)? No Blackwell (poor Twenty20 does he need to rest really)? But we have chosen a South African - must be because the skipper doesn't have faith in the backbone of the front five (may have a point but wouldn't Ian have been a consideration as well - too many spinners perhaps).

So we field and Neil Mckenzie faces his ex-teammate AC to start the game.  The following conversation oculd have taken place.

"Hello Neil welcome back to Taunton.  I won't be facing you in the Tests but why don't you go and ponder your strategy for those games while I get my teeth into the rest of you.  Oh I'm Andy Caddick by the way".  Neil seems to agree with this suggestion, puts his pad in front of the ball AND the wicket and goes LBW first ball of the morning.

Somersets Andrew Caddick celebrates taking the wicket of South Africas Neil McKenzie during a Tour M

Caddick says goodbye to McKenzie

It all looks promising but Amla and Duminy are not phased and get into their zone despite the aggression of Turner and Jones and the persistence of Caddick.  They reach 50 in the 12th and the 100 comes in the 21st (very slow over rate) along with Amla's 50 (63 balls with 8 fours).  Munday is introduced at the OP in the 22nd and Duminy follows his partner off 67 balls (with the same number of boundaries).  Fair first over by the young guy - one wide delivery gives the batsman his half ton.

South Africas Hashim Amla             South Africas Jean-Paul Duminy reaches his fifty during a Tour Match at the County Ground, Taunton.

Amla                                                                         Duminy 

By the 29th and lunch the tourists look ominously in touch on 136 and we don't look like worrying them in overcast cnditions where we'd expect the likes of Willoughby et al to be worrying these blokes.  I know it's that kind of game but it doesn't look that much of a contest at the moment.

After lunch Mike M stays on at the OP but it's that man Caddick who gets the next one - as the Soput African press are waxing lyrically about Jean-Paul Duminy, the big man sends one down the leg side which the batsman flips and Craig Kieswetter takes in a full length dive at 146.  The man goes for 64 and we welcome Jaques Kallis to the middle.

Amla has taken a real shine to MM though and just after the 150 comes up in the 33rd he opens up at the spinner.  The six ovedr wide long on is followed by three consecutive boundaries and a century for the batsman (105 balls 15 fours and that six), 18 off the 34th and a deep hole for our young slowie to get himself out of. 

South Africas Amla 100

Caddick shows the way with a maiden in the 35th but the SA batsmen milk him for another 9 in the 36th and by the 40th, with the captain showing faith in the man the tourists have pushed the score past 200 as Kallis also gives the young man some welly.  201 up at the end of the 39th.

Arul Suppiah ends the pain of Munday's 10 for over 70 in the 41st but the two batsmen continue on with Kallis simply taking over where Duminy left off and by the end of the 53rd they are looking at passing the 25 mark.  The only question is will it take kallis from 48 over the half ton or will it simply add to Amla's move towards 150 (although he has taken the back seat since Kallis arrived).  It is still 247 for 2 at the end of the 54th but it all seems inevitable, even though we now have Mark Turner and Steffan Jones working away for us.  Suppiah's spell was a very creditable 6 overs for 16.

The 250 comes at 54.4 overs courtesy of a sublime four to Kallis splitting the fielders with real precision. His fifty is almost identical to the first two of the innings - 64 balls and 8 fours. 35 over to go and a score well into the 300's is looking very very possible.

South Africas Jacques Kallis

Jacques opens his shoulders

At Tea things have gone almost entirely South Africa's way and they have moved on to 274 for 2 with 30 overs of the day to go.  Amla is on 136 and Jacques Kallis has moved to 67.  Based on that kind of score, 400 by the end of the day is definitely on.

The 274 has turned into 330 plus by the 70th and moving Suppiah to the River end and then Munday seems to make no difference.  Amla moves past 150 and at 341 Kallis moves past 100 with a ton off 125 balls with 13 fours and a six (seems like more than that actually).  A good workout for the batsmen?  You might say that while I.......

So...who wants the ball?  with 350 up and two batsmen into three figures Caddick introduces....Wes to the attack!  Just what you want, your first bowl to two men seeing it like a baloon.  To give him credit he probably has Kallis dropped by Kieswetter off his second ball and Amla strolls down the wicket on his last ball and is run out by Zander de Bruyn for 172 - the highest score by an SA batsman against Somerset.  362 for 3!!  Amla called as the ball went to backward point but he sort of realised that he wasn't going to get there and he gave up.  Then again, when you've cracked 172 you've done your job for the day I suppose.  But well done Wes and Caddy for stupendous strategic changes of field and bowling. Great innings from Amla one has to say (217 balls with 22 fours and 1 six).  Ashwell Prince, the South African captain for today comes out with his side well on top in this game and Kallis looking to pile on even more before the end of the day.

It seems that Wes has shut down one end and now Jonah is getting the hammer - though Kallis is trying real hard to hit anything near him (or far away for that matter).  Unfortunately he keeps on connecting.  But Mr Durston is keeping them down at the OP so the captain brings Arul back at the River in the hope of more of the same because with 12 overs to go they are 13 from the magic 400.

After 80 overs they haven't quite made it - the score is 398.  The captain brings himself on for the 81st over with Kallis looking to finish off the day by passing Amla's new record of an individual score of 172.  The first ball goes to the boundary, sending Jacques over 150 (153 balls 2 sixes and 21 fours) and the Boks over 400.  Caddy isn't particularly impressed with this and puts a bit more in.  the third balls of the over rears unexpectedly and belts Kallis on the point of the elbow....very painful.  However, after a bit of sorting he is fit to continue and then proceeds to smack Caddick's next two balls for 4. But that looks like a bit of bravado because we next see Mr K walking off to the pavilion.  It seems that it is just bruised - no structural damage - but that announcement came very quickly so one wonders how much they've been able to assess and it could be a problem.

So...Kallis off with 160 at 410 for 3 and De Villiers replaces him for the time being at least to finish the day against Caddick and the returning Turner at the OP.  The big question is can the 'gold and greens' get over 450 before the end of the day.  At the end of the 87th it looks highly likely with 442 up and 3 sets of six to go.

As an aside...I took a wander over to the new members stand that has replaced the River Stand.  It holds about 450 and is fully open now. not a bad view ether really.  The only problem with it is that you cannot get around the back of it so people will have to walk across the front to get to any other part of the Brewhouse side but it does give you a very nice view of play, especially frm the higher seats.

Anyway, a fairly decent over from Turner provides 4 dot balls and then one four before ending with a dot.  446 with 12 balls to go.  450 will come and Somerset must view the day in perspective.  We faced a big batting side and did not hold them.  Too many short balls, Mike Munday did not contain from the OP (he looked better from the River but by then the damage was done) and at times served up boundary fodder.  Amla batted beautifuly, but was allowed to, we really missed the accuracy of Willoughby and Thomas.  The younger players have to learn the lesson that presently thay are not pushing to replace the four seam attack of Caddick, Willoughby, Phillips and Thomas.  We have yet to see what the batting line-up has to say for itself.

The 450 arrives off Caddick's third ball of his last over and Turner finishes off the proceeddings from the OP.  They have stuck to their tasks manfully and heads have not dropped noticably but they've also been given a lesson in where not to bowl to good batsmen on a batting wicket - a hard day in the cricket academy.  Let's hope lessons have been learned.  456 for 3 (4) at the end of the 90th.  Welcome to the real world gentlemen.

 

 

 

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Somerset vs South Africa.
Posted by: VictheFish (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:04:18:07

Welcome back to:

real cricket in whites.

Andy Caddick.

Neil MacKenzie.

Neil meet Andy, oh ...

That didn't last long!

VtF.

Re: Somerset vs South Africa.
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:04:30:52

Beat me to the punch, VtF!

Re: Somerset vs South Africa.
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:05:05:20

It's overcast and they are 61 for 1 now. only 15 overs in the first 90 minutes - gonna be a looooong day. Frontpage will be up and going in about 20 minutes.

(Sm72)

Re: Back in White - South Africa 3 Day
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:06:22:09

136 for 1 at lunch and it looks like a really long day in the field unless somene gets a breakthrough. It isn't going to be Zander, it doesn't look like it's going to be Mark or Jonah so it's down to Andrew C or Mike Munday....and that doesn't look all that likely on this morning I'm afraid.

(Sm72)

The team against South Africa
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:07:07:31

I like Brian Rose’s idea for the team against South Africa, playing the young guns as he calls them, even all our younger players are experienced players.

Andy Caddick could captain the team if fit, the team may include; Hildreth, Trego, Suppiah, Durston, Turner, Edwards, Francis, and Munday.

If no Kolpak players and he intend to rest the senior players who else would we like to see play with those mentioned above?

This is from the other site.

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Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:07:22:14

Alley?

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:07:32:25

Though not the youngest of guns, Steffan Jones should be given a chance to state his case for inclusion in the CC side.

Yes, and let's see young Alley, given that his beloved grandgather is no longer available.

I love the thought of that youngest of all guns, ARC,leading his charges into the fray. What an inspiration that will be.

LoL

Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:07:43:05

Is anyone else still in the positon of seeing "Turner" on the list and thinking first of Rob?
Had to chuckle at the thought of Noddy amongst the young guns.

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:07:53:55

FE: you can therefore identify with my first reaction to seeing the name Alley.

And I think Gazzard should be given a game and Kieswetter given a rest.

LoL

Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Palairet (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:08:16:37

I agree with LoL that Kieswetter should be given a rest.

After all, AGod in his earlier thread on this very topic did suggest that Somerset should "Somerest"!

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:08:24:21

I hope you're not just agreeing with the last speaker a la Giles Clark, Prof.

LoL

Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:08:32:43

I'm looking forward to seeing what Mark Turner can do against South Africa. It goes without saying that I also want to see AC back in rhythm and primed for the Durham game. Not sure about Saturday's forecast, though, looks a bit iffy, maybe?

But if AC and Turner can both come through the SA game with good results, then we should have a really exciting attack to take up to Chester LS. Charl would join them, obviously, and on recent exploits I would suggest that the fourth pace bowling place (assuming Pete is not fit to bowl) should go to Alfonso.

Even if Pete isn't fit to bowl he should possibly be considered as a specialist batsman for the Durham game.

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:09:05:55

I do indeed identify with that LoL.
Excellent suggestions, one and all.
AC and MT sharing the new ball is something to which I think we've all been looking forward.
Gazzard definitely deserves a go; and Craig definitely deserves a rest.

Sow we're agreed then:
Francis, Edwards, Hildreth, Durston, Suppiah, Trego, Alley, Gazzard, Turner, Munday, Caddick (capt).



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Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:09:16:22

It doesn`t matter about Saturday`s forecast, AG, because the match doesn`t begin then. Fine weather predicted for Sunday, when it does start.

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:09:44:36

I think we've just rendered the estimable Mr Rose redundant.

LoL

Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Palairet (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:10:01:43

Apparently, South Africa are holding a pre - tour Press Conference at the County Ground, Taunton on Thursday at 1.00 p.m.

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:11:34:26

Probably to announce their surrender ahead of their match against that brilliant team we've selected.

LoL

Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:13:51:59

If you put numbers to names it gives you an idea where the gaps are;

1. Edwards
2. Francis
3. Suppiah
4. Hidreth
5. Trego
6. Durston
7. Gazzard
8. Jones
9. Caddick
10. Turner
11. Munday

Oh there aren't any!! That's yer side then! Doesn't look that bad actually.

(Sm72)

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:14:03:56

I'm not certain that Jonah will play. He and Caddy were scheduled to have played a 50 over second XI game yesterday.

Whether or not Jonah plays might depend on whether or not Pete is able to bowl (and whether Mr Rose wants him to bowl.)

If Pete is going to bowl, I wouldn't be surprised if we found a place for somebody like Robin Lett?

p.s. I don't know about anyone else, but i am exceptionally glad that we have a 'buffer,' game between the hit and giggle and the resumption of the proper cricket. The reason for this is that I would like any first-team players that do play versus SA to have a chance to blow the 20:20 impetuosity out of their systems.

Incidentally, I'm also not totally sure that Zander will not play. After his ton vs Yorks, there's every reason to assume that Mr Rose will view him as a first-choice player for the Durham game, but he's had very little time in the middle since the last CC game and so, logically, it might make sense to give him a game?

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:15:15:40

I think it is highly likely that Jones will play and I'll be very surprised if they pick a kolpak over an 'english' player for this game.

If anything I'd expect experience to come in the form of Ian Blackwell rather than Zander if anyone

(Sm72)

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:15:24:34

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that Cricket South Africa might have some say as to whether Charl and zander can play gainst them?

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:15:26:59

I doubt it. But, if they did, their preference would, presumably be for a tough work-out? If they had a vote, their vote would therefore be for Charl to play?

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:24:17:21:38

I'm glad you used the " "over the word English Grockle as we don't want to offend Steff do we?
Imagine call someone from Llan English.
Whatever next?
Gareth Edwards Scottish?

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:25:08:16:29

After much consideration then I've decided that, unless they show really well vs SA, I'd probably leave out either Neil or James vs Durham (in favour of Peter Trego.)

If NE was left out, I'd move JL up to open and move everyone else up one place, with Pete at six. If JH was left out, I'd move Zander and Ian up one place each, with Pete at six. This is assuming that Pete is not yet fit to bowl, with him playing as a specialist batsman instead.

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:25:08:18:53

It would be better, though, if Pete was fit to bowl. At the minute, subject to performances vs SA and Pete not being fit to bowl. I'm imagining an attack of Caddick, Turner, Willow and Thomas. This would appear to constitute an overly long tail but it's, nevertheless, the bowling attack that I would most like to see for the Durham game (albeit that's based on the idea of Caddy as he was last season and Turner as he was vs Lancs at OT.)

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:25:08:45:38

Neil tends to do well against the tourists. It's where he first made a name for himself.

Not sure assessing him in a knock opening with John Francis is the same as looking at him in an opening partnership with Marcus though.

I think John's performance would have to come into that analysis as well. It's a pivotal innings for him I think.

(Sm72)

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:25:09:00:34

Well, these tourists are likely to have a pretty damn good pace attack out. And we'll be facing a pretty damn good pace attack at Chester LS too, so if Neil can make runs against SA, it should stand him in pretty good stead for Chester LS.

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: The Diamond ruled ok (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:27:17:50:18

Their pace attack will be fueled by energy drinks shipped in from South Africa .

I delivered them to the Holiday Inn this evening in Taunton.

Overtime over watching Sex beat Surrey at the Oval,what a martyr to the coin I am .

Nice hotel that one,bit expensive though , I'm more a B&B man myself.

Having travelled down from London in pouring rain the sun came out as I got over the County boundary on the M5 into Somerset . Let's hope the weather stays good for the course of your game . Not much chance really , it is Glasto weekend after all.

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:28:17:03:19

Cheers Diamond and good luck to you lot in Uxbridge quite soon

So
Edwards
Suppiah
Hildreth
Durston
Trego
Banks
Kieswetter
Jones
Caddick
Turner
Munday

Interesting. No Gazzard, No Francis No South Africans for us No Smith for them

Interesting front 3.

(Sm72)

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: fRed (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:28:17:55:58

Who's this So opening the batting?

This ain't summer.

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:00:40:22

Our first Chinese Kolpack?

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:01:22:44

Surprised there's no John Francis - is he injured?

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:02:47:54

A needle pulling thread maybe?
Doh,maybe I'm wrong again.

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:03:37:19

James, you're a little ray of sunshine.
Me, I'm off to make a cup of coffee.

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:03:55:46

Don't go to far Bobs.
Me,I'm having tea.

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:04:09:54

Is it far, to far?
Far too far.
Far too far, to far?
Yes: to far, far too far!

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:05:21:00

So, so, FE.

Re: The team against South Africa
Posted by: samaithai (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:06:21:16

Cricinfo has De Bryun playing but no Banks. Have they got it wrong again

Re: Back in White - South Africa 3 Day
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:06:51:17

This looks like a very strong South African team, with probably only Smith and Steyn missing from the side for the First Test, assuming they are both fit.

It's not quite our best side... and it's beginning to show, but it will be great exposure for the young guns.

And now the genius of LoL has struck again, for as I wrote the above Duminy was out to the bowling of our most promising colt.

LoL

Sixty Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Back in White - South Africa 3 Day
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:07:27:05

As Banks / de Bruyn (whichever) and Suppiah seem to have bowled already, I would venture that Trego still isn't fit to bowl - a shame as I think the CC team needs him bowling as well as batting.



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Re: Back in White - South Africa 3 Day
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:07:28:30

The press pack reckon that we'll have a good work out against their pace attack!! They look very very fast

(Sm72)



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Re: Back in White - South Africa 3 Day
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:08:24:39

What's more they'll have a decent number of runs to bwl with as well!! This is going to be a big total unless something fun damental alters quite quickly.

(Sm72)

Re: Back in White - South Africa 3 Day
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:14:45:07

Photo's from first day

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N McKenzie out lbw first ball of the day off Caddick

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J Kallis hit on the elbow off Caddick's bowling.

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J Kallis retired hurt on 160.

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J Duminy ct Kieswetter bld Caddick off this delivery

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Congratulations to Caddick for Duminy's wicket.

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Re: Back in White - South Africa 3 Day
Posted by: VictheFish (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:15:55:05

No two ways about it,

these Yarpies are seriously good, are here to make a point (despite quotas) and the very comfortable and possibly complacent England squad really need to have a long, hard look at themselves to see if they really can walk the walk.

If I'm not too much mistaken, if these 'Lions' have taken their collective eye off the ball to gaze on the spendours of Mr. Stanford's coffers then thay have not only given up the right to wear the cap, but they will also screw up this Summer.

Regardless of the possible Captaincy dilemmas that may result from a diabolically slow over-rate (hiding p*ss poor decision making), this team seems unable to focus on what it has been set to achieve. Is it because of Indian distractions ("I could've made a million in just six weeks," says the new England Captain just weeks before his appointment.

No doubt he'd not be around if his charges had to go into battle around the time of the IPL circus. Nor if he had to lead a team into Basra - "sorry fellas, just got to go and parade a few horses around a palace and sh*g a few models. BRB."

I digress. Collingwood, take him or leave him, is at least a leader who deserves some respect. In his absence we have very little - period, as the Americans say.

I really think that England could take a seriously bloody nose this summer. Regardless of format, unless we take the initiative and get some momentum going I think we could see ourselves slipping down the rankings whilst still eyeing up dollar signs ...

But then again, I'm always pessimistic and the best England seam bowler will blow away the Yarpies tomorrow no worries and our Second string will rack up 800 for s*d all.

VtF.

S.S.A.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008:06:29:17:48:01 by VictheFish.

Re: Back in White - South Africa 3 Day
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:16:30:06

Are you OK, Vic? This outburst seems a little out of character?!

Yes, I think England will struggle against the South Africans, largely because they're much better cricketers than our guys and nothing to do with any money they may be offered in India or the Caribbean.

So, yes, KP might have made a million in India in the spring - so what? He's quite right to have said what you quote him as saying...it's not his (or any of the other players - why is KP always singled out!) fault that some fools want to offer them huge amounts of money to play cricket.

The South Africans may beat us this summer - I hope they don't - but this won't necessarily be because our players are "eyeing up dollar signs". It might just be because, for all the promise of Bell, Cook, Broad and Co, we're just not good enough yet.

Vic (et al) - lay off the players! Please don't convict them of doing something that they may not be guilty of doing. The bit about Basra and the models is seriously out of order, IMHO.

Re: Back in White - South Africa 3 Day
Posted by: VictheFish (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:17:45:42

SP,

sorry, sometimes I get a bit passionate and my earthy, combative nature comes out when it shouldn't.

I really do think that six months of (non-entirely convincing) games against the Kiwis has actually masked some failings in our national team.

I still don't think we're anywhere nearer a settled keeper, who knows his role and why he was picked.

I still think that some of our bowlers get by at this level of opposition, when truly world-class performers should be absolutely dominating the games. Sidebottom and Broad can only bowl so many overs, Anderson and the others are hardly lining up to knock them over consistently.

Against SA I really hope we do well, but I'm not so sure that we have the batsmen to fight a rearguard action in case Cook and Strauss and the out of form Vaughn go early.

In 2005 we were led by Banger, no two ways about it, and scored heavily and quickly. The SA line-up seems to do the same. I'm afraid we don't have anything like that at present and will struggle to match them.

Unlike 2005, when the Aussies lost an H&G at the Rosebowel and then at Taunton, this lot are likely to hit the ground running, and hard at that. I really hope that I'm wrong but I can feel a summer of attrition coming on ...

I admire the Southern Hemisphere attitude to sport and can see it at Taunton week in, week out. However, I seldom really see it at national level. If we are really to maintain our status in the rankings at Test level we have to compete (and beat) these guys waiting for the true test in 2009.

However, I seriously think that the white ball and easy money may have taken the national team's eye off the ball.

VtF.

P.S. I still wouldn't go to war with KP, just don't trust him not to leave a man behind - something sacrosanct to my old lot.

Re: Back in White - South Africa 3 Day
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:17:59:05

Sorry Shep. Basra and models?

(Sm72)

Re: Back in White - South Africa 3 Day
Posted by: VictheFish (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:29:18:38:20

SP was quoting from my earlier post Grock.

I admit I was probably in poor taste for having said it so hope that I've put things right in my most recent posting.

I think SP was defending KP (not our one) and said it was seriously out of order. Personally, I think KP's a very talented show-pony who has used the international qualification loophole to his advantage - financial, playing, and media exposure advantages all included.

However, it's been done before (even by one of our own when Mr. Hudson got hold of him!) so I can't begrudge the bloke taking advantage (KP not SP).

It just riles me when KP keeps banging on about how he could've picked up millions of dollars playing IPL instead of England games this Spring.

Yes, he works hard at things. Yes, he visualises a switch-hit in bed with his new wife. Yes, he's box-office and millions of kids try to copy him (and fail dismally but think they're great).

Sorry the cricket gets in your way Kev, we'll just bend over backwards shall we. Wonder if that's the attitude that got his kit thrown over the balcony at Trent Bridge?

I'm not senior enough to fully remember but did Allan Lamb and Robin Smith act like this? Tony Greig probably did and he's a really popular ex-England Captain nowadays!

It takes all sorts but, as a role model, I'd rather have a Banger anyday ...

VtF.

Re: Back in White - South Africa 3 Day
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:30:00:54:08

Fair enough, Vic, no argument from me on your second post (@18:45) from a cricketing point of view. SA will be a tough bunch for England to beat, much tougher than NZ certainly. However, I suspect that Moores, Vaughan, Collingwood et al realise that - I don't think they're complacent or dreaming of millions of dollars, I think they know this is going to be a very tough couple of months for a promising but not great bunch of players.

I'm not Pietersen's greatest fan, but I do believe that he suffers from the Beckham syndrome: an undoubted very-good player who courts the media spotlight but who is also the first target when things go wrong, often not through any fault of his own. I think there are lots of lazy journalists out there who (esp while Freddie's injured) just say KP this, KP that, without checking facts, use a KP picture when they could use Vaughan or anyone else, caption it something like "KP could get / could lose millions of dollars" knowing that'll get their article printed when if they'd put "Bell / Anderson / Strauss blah blah blah", it won't have the same impact.

I feel better now, must go pick up daughter from Glastonbury!



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Re: Back in White - South Africa 3 Day
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:30:02:24:43

I made my first trip of the season to Taunton yesterday.

The only passage of play worth reporting was that immediately after lunch. That was when Caddy bowled his second spell.

You will, I'm sure, all know what I mean when I say that he found "the Caddick length." He was hitting the pitch hard. He bowled a good line. He bowled with sufficient pace.

At one point Jacques Kallis was totally squared up by a superb Caddy delivery. I stood up and yelled 'well bowled Caddy," and applauded loudly.

Caddy glared in my general direction. No doubt, the fact that the ball had sped to the boundary at ftm irked him considerably. Personally, I could not give a monkeys.

The salient point was that here was our great fast bowler, playing the game that he needed to get under his belt, and here he was totally squaring up one of the best players in the world on the flattest pitch in the world. And that's all you really need to know about Caddy yesterday. This spell began with a leg-side strangle of Duminy. I can't tell you about the first wicket because I was detained against my will by Great Western Farcical Trains at that point (very angry.) What i saw of the rest of his first spell was him easing into it. When he took the second new-ball later he looked tired. As one would after 20+ overs after not much bowling all season. But the second spell is what you all need to know about.

He's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkk!

Re: Back in White - South Africa 3 Day
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:06:30:02:26:58

As for the rest of it?

Grist to KT's mill, I'm afraid.

And I note that Caddy had plenty to say about it afterwards,too.

I'm afraid that, when Caddy was not bowling, it was largely mind-numbing stuff as the combination of a hopeless pitch (for bowling) and a big differential in quality between their batsmen and our bowlers meant that any 'contest,' between bat and ball was purely notional.

On the one hand, this should provide a chance for batsmen to hit form again before Durham. On the other hand conditions at Chester LS are extremely unlikely to resemble those on show yesterday.