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Points in the 'Pool?

Keeps his place
By Grockle
September 14 2008
After strange selection decisions in the last CC1 game some did think Mr Langer might consider Blackwell for this 1 day game. Not to be however, Mark Turner does keep his place in the squad. This game will decide whether we spend a day in Wales trying to stay in Division 1. As we've spent the last month trying to get OUT, it seems a pointless exercise to one commentator I'm afraid!!

v Lancashire Pro40 @ Liverpool Sunday 14 September 2008

Scorecard

We come to the end of a baffling (used that word twice in a week about Somerset selection) 40 over one day campaign on an out ground in Lancashire against our fellow relegation possibles.  Whatever the master plan was, it hasn't worked for Justin Langer and the strategists at the County Ground.  The decision to go with a one day setup concentrating on the presence of spinning allrounders not called 'Blackwell' has seen us facing Lancashire with only one option allowing us to remain in the top flight of the one day league - a victory.  Little suggests that we will be facing Glamorgan in the play-off in Cardiff at the end of the season but I'm very willing to be wrong about that. A win might keep us up without that option - not sure we would deseerve that but we'll take anything at the present moment.

Justin goes into this game with a side from the following squad;

Trescothick, Langer, de Bruyn, Hildreth, Trego, Durston, Gazzard, Banks, Thomas, Turner, Willoughby, Jones, Suppiah, Caddick

The boss has left himself with a bit of a quandry after not playing Caddy in the Championship match.  Does he want him going into a big four day game at Scarborough rusty because he has had little match practice?  That may mean he partners Willoughby in this last main season one day game.  (I doubt he'll rest the lefty but it is a possible option I suppose).  One would expect the first seven names to be on the team sheet.  The official site suggests that Turner will play in this game so that would leave one place for Banks, Thomas, Suppiah and Jones to fight over.

I've not been impressed by Omari with the bat but it hasn't seemed to be seen as a problem by the selectors and he has played even though his form with the willow has been indifferent to say the least.  Alfonso has done nothing wrong in his games this season and would be a perfectly acceptable choice but it would leave Wes as the only spinning option.  Arul would therefore be a choice should spiin be a possible match component.  Add to that the fact that Steffan comes into this game off a hat-trick in the seconds and it's a real problem for the men with the teamsheet and the pens.  Too many components to predict ahead.  We'll wait and see what transpires at 12:45.

A meaningless game at Chester-le-Street may possibly mean we get no coverage on Somerset Sound but I'm sure Radio Lancashire may cover the game.

They start on time.  The pitch is slow and there's little carry it seems.  Charl is playing and they expect Peter Trego to take the new ball with him so no Caddy.  The side is;

Trego, Thomas, Hildreth, Langer, Trescothick, Turner, Durston, Suppiah, Gazzard, Willoughby and de Bruyn.   Justin won the toss and has decided to field first.  It looks like an inspired choice as all four front line seamers get movement and the Lancashire lads xan do little withh the ball other than play it to fielders.  Willoughby, Trego and especially Turner get the ball doing things and Brown, Vincent Law and Horton all vacate the field of play before the score passes 50.  It's looking good and looks even better when first Thomas gets into the act and then Turner cleans up the last recognised defence from de Plessis at 74 and takes Cross at 75.

A score over 100 looks doubtful but Glan Chapple has other plans and marshalls the Lancashire tail to put up a fight.  At the same time, we take our eye off the ball for a while and let them get a bit more comfortable.  No spin is employed and the faster guys lose focus a little.  Nothing huge but the home side do manage to get the score beyond 150

As Smith, Chapple and Keedy top score within the 40 overs.  The last wicket goes in the last over and we panic for a while as the umpires think about whether to penalise us for a slow over rate and add 6 runs.  They decide against it and we are set 157 to stay in the first flight of one day sides.

They got away a bit but Turner continues to impress and even thought the final figure is higher than we would have liked everyone had a good day and everyone got wickets.

The Reply

Things don't go to plan.  We should belt this lot off and walk away relieved but the Lancashire bowlers have other plans.  Marcus misreads one from Chapple and is steepled.  Langer snicks on behind and de Bruyn  steps in front of one.  Even though Hildreth gets the plan right and settles himself, he only scores one before he also goes and we face 73 for 5 and a non too easy second half of an innings.

Enter Arul Suppiah who does everything right and puts me in mind to say that in this game the presence of Ian Blackwell is not obvious in its absence.  Just as I think he and Wes will sort this they bring on Keedy and his spin and Arul belts up the pitch, misses the ball and is bowled with him in the 30's and taking action he really did not need to take.  Bad bad boy.  Mr Langer will be most displeased and this may come back to haunt you if we don't make this  total.

It gets no better when the confident Peter Trego manages to snick a wide ball and is caught behind.  100 up and no recognised batsmen to partner Wes  to the total.  Carl Gazzard finds himself having to take on more of the Kieswetter role than he expected,  He kept very well but now we need him to bat the game out as the run rate rises and the total still looks a long way off.

When Durston is LBW to Keedy then the introduction of a spinner looks like Law's winning strategy.  Alfonso is in and no mouse with the bat but the rate is up to 8 an over and there afren't many overs left!  Carl however seems non plussed by it all and even when there is a need for 15 off 10 balls, the two Somerset men seem quite cool about it.  

Lo and behold we never needed to worry.  With 2 balls to go Thommo pops the ball past the infield and runs the two needed to win the game and keep us in the first division by taking us above Worcestershire in terms of games won.  They go to Cardiff and we breath a buge sigh of relief!!  Well done boys but why oh why do you insist in leaving it so flaming late?

There are real problems with ouor one day performances but we have the winter to sort them before another season in the top draw to show we have learned some valuable lessons and accepted some home truths about how we face the short format game.

Left it late but better late than never.   

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Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Grockles.com (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 10:54

Points in the 'Pool?

Somerset v Lancs Stay Up/ Down or Play Off
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2008 13:36

Still no Blackwell I thought they might have swallowed their pride and picked him.

Turner keeps his place from the previous Pro 40.

The team will be picked from.

Langer, Trescothick, de Bruyn, Hildrith, Trego, Durston. Gazzard, (Kieswetter still not fit) Banks, Thomas, Turner, Willoughby, Jones, Suppiah, and Caddick.

In the event of winning the match they will feel justified in not picking Blackwell I not sure I will be!!



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Stay Up/ Down or Play Off
Posted by: everhopefull (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2008 14:19

Brian Rose has quoted on the Club site, that whatever the outcome of the game against Lancs, the inconsistent form in the one day game will be addressed in the winter.
[www.somersetcountycc.premiumtv.co.uk]

I cannot see the point of changing at this late stage of the season.

Might we see a new one day specialist who would also captain the one day side only, Justin might be happy to play only 4 day games.
And no it will not be IB.

Re: Somerset v Lancs Stay Up/ Down or Play Off
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2008 17:08

If we end up in the play-off position it will against Glamorgan.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Stay Up/ Down or Play Off
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2008 19:35

BR quote "the inconsistent form in the one day game will be addressed in the winter".

Happy with that.

Just hope we can get a full picture of the strategy/reasoning behind this seasons one day 'performances'.

Grizzzly

Re: Somerset v Lancs Stay Up/ Down or Play Off
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2008 19:41

Hope you are enjoying your stay here, Grizzzly; it's just possible we've held some slightly better weather in reserve just for you (and to ensure that we win the championship properly).



LoL

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Re: Somerset v Lancs Stay Up/ Down or Play Off
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2008 19:45

Thanks LoL

Enjoyment just a trifle tapered by the fact that we have to fly back to Grizzzlyland on Friday !

Still, hopefully we can wrap up a max points win meantime.

Grizzzly

Re: Somerset v Lancs Stay Up/ Down or Play Off
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2008 20:17

Of course, time to hibernate, as we've mentioned before. You will sleep more easily after we've safely despatched Yorkshire.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Stay Up/ Down or Play Off
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2008 20:32

You've spoilt my week now Lol.No point going now I know the outcome.

Re: Somerset v Lancs Stay Up/ Down or Play Off
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2008 20:50

Go back to my posting, BR, and unread it.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Stay Up/ Down or Play Off
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 08:17

Lancashire unchanged after beating Nottinghamshire by one run off the last ball at Trent Bridge on Wednesday.

Re: Somerset v Lancs Stay Up/ Down or Play Off
Posted by: Ww (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 09:31

If we are in the playoff, how is it decided where it is played?

Re: Somerset v Lancs Stay Up/ Down or Play Off
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 09:46

Glamorgan automatically get a home draw for finishing third in the second division.

I am off down Taunton to watch Bridgwater v Glastonbury in a 20/20 match.

I have been told that there are three matches and this would be the better one to watch, it is the middle of the three starting about mid-day.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Stay Up/ Down or Play Off
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 09:58

Why prolong the agony. We ought to just lose and have done with it. Let's see some consistency boys!!



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 10:55

No indication that "Somerset" Sound will be covering the game/ I've provided a link to the BBC internet coverage in the main story for the radio buffs. Hope it works but I doubt we'll be hearing Phil T's dulcet tones.



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 11:17

Radio Lancashire are covering it.
Somehow I don't think they would slit commentary with their neighbouring county.
There is a link on BBC sports cricket pages.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 11:21

Already linked it up BR



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 12:42

Cracking start!
Where is everybody?

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 12:49

Quote:
Frome Exile
Cracking start!
Where is everybody?

At Liverpool? Not me, I was at Tesco!



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 12:54

Very nice, Are these the same bowlers or ringers? Off to the Rugby- keep it going while I'm away

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 13:15

Superb start,we'really getting the hang of this one day stuff.
You can't fault this skipper.
Four day,one day.
He takes it in his stride.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 13:17

The ball is swinging and all four of our boys are moving it about.

Lancashire seem to be 'out of form' again - if only they tried what a game it would be!

Mark Turner a real handful and some of the Lancs guys batting like Somerset middle order men!

It is on MW on Somerset Sound guys and gals if you're out in the garden like me and not able to access the net out there.



(Sm72)

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 14:05

Let's not get too cocky. We've yet to face the swing!



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 14:50

What are the chances that today`s wicket at Riverside - Glo`shire 119 all out, Durham currently 22-3 - will be replicated for the four-day match there starting Wednesday?

Durham will be using all the tricks of the trade for a CC win against Sussex, but will have to remember they have already had a couple of visits from the Inspectorate of Wickets this season. No points deducted yet though.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 14:54

Just in case we ever get accused of being a bit precious about bias within Radio Bristol's coverage remember this.

With 6 overs to go at Liverpool and Gloucestershire off the field in the interval at Durham, we suddenly had to leave the coverage at the Somerset game in mid over...Why? To discuss the Durham innings and wait for the Gladiators to take the field to try and defend an awesome total of 119!!

We then get 5 overs of waffle about how wonderful Kirby is before it is mentioned that the first half of the 40 over game at Liverpool is over and there's some controversy. Then we pop across (between overs only) to sum up the fact that Somoerset took THREE wickets in the last 5 but might be penalised for a slow rate. Then it's back to Durham for more excitment (admittedly there had been a few wickets).

Do we go over for the start of the Somerset innings in the same way? Nahh we go across about 4 overs in during a lull in play in the game involving God's Own County.

Does anyone wonder why a Somerset listener would listen to Radio Lancashire instead? Why make out that the coverage has anything to do with a Somerset radio station? No-one at Bristol does anything but play lip service to cricket as a whole and Somerset as a local area of interest.

Listen on Radio Lancs people our local coverage is a flaming joke!!



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 16:09

Disgusting,disgraceful coverage.
Pathetic,they're a joke of a radio station.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 16:20

Well I'm back from the Rugby and disappointed with the score. Even if we win-and I'm not too sure of that, we still end up in the play offs because of our net rate.
The Rugby was good.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:02

33 needed off 5 with just MT and Willow to come, forgive me if i lack any confidence!

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Tractor (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:04

You're forgiven.
We're doing this the hard way. C'mon My Babbies!

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:04

Cant understand the slow scoring, surely its best to be all out short going for it, than 150-9 off 40 and still lose!?

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Tractor (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:06

We've still got Willow to come - no worries.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:08

"one shot willow" no probs then,
step away to leg and swing wildly, may prove the best way...

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Tractor (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:11

Go Gazzo GO. Don't want the tie. 13 off 8 balls.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:12

He's been practicing the reverse wild swing.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Tractor (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:12

9 off 7. COME ON !!!!!!!!

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Tractor (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:13

8 off the last. Shopping trips anyone?

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:13

i cant cope, come on gazz!!!

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:15

4 to win!!!

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Tractor (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:15

Brilliant Thommo. Then a WIDE!!!! 3 off 4. Go GAZZZZ.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:15

2 off 3

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:17

GET IN THERE we win!!!
Who knows if we beat worcs on run rate?

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:18

Gazzard is my hero!

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Tractor (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:18

YEEEEEHARRRRR!
Bring on the Welsh (but get a shed load of points up at Scarborough first).

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:18

No problems.Never doubt our ability in 40 over stuff.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:20

So are we 6th or 7th, do we avoid the trip to wales?
radio bristol seem to think we are div 1 next year, do they know what they're on about?

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Coy (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:21

Sky say we are safe no play off.

They say the play off is Glam vs. Worcs.

So hope they are right.

C'mon Somerset

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Coy (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:23

We finish above Worcestershire on more wins.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Tractor (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:24

Must be on wins then. Wouldn't have thought we could have gone above Worcs runrate. Great stuff. I wonder if this new Forty40 could be the new Twenty20? I'll start the wave here in Clevedon, onto to wsm fan, down to Grocks, then BJ, then all the way back to Bristol Rob. Come on it's worth a go. I'll start it in 5, 4, ...

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:24

It seems that we are safe, as Worcs lost and have the same number of points, but we won 3 games to their 2. N/R rate doesn't come into play, unless both team have otherwise identical records.

Well done Carl Gazzard, a long time out in the cold but came good when we needed him.



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:26

Did anyone notice the crucial boundaries that Sussex hit to you know where?



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Tractor (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:28

At Liverpool? Some boundaries!

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:28

Comfortable! winking smiley
Well played Carl!

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:29

No problem tractor, wave is on its way to grockle now!
Now we have safely secured our survival from pro 40 div 1 lets take the momentum into scarborough game on wednesday, come on lads...

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:29

I could have saved myself some energy if I'd have realised that run rate didn't matter.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:30

Whoops-here's the wave in Newcastle

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:30

Well I'm so glad because I've been looking at ways of getting from Scarborough to Cardiff on sunday.
A relaxing sunday at the seaside next week I hope.

OH I do like to be beside the seaside.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Tractor (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:36

Last one in the North Sea is a wimp (and anyone calling local news teams about a beached whale is off my Christmas card list).

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: MisterMurph (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:40

Just checked the points table. A Somerset supporter who attended all 8 games would have witnessed more than 3,600 runs. A supporter of any other side in Div 1 would only have seen less than 3,000.

Support Somerset - more than 20% more entertainment than anyone else.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:41

Thank heavens for a fixture list that gave us our last game againnst a team as bad as we are!!

Well done to the bowlers for their first spell,

Well done to Ian Chappell for trying to keep his side in it when we let the foot off the gas

Thanks to the umpires that they didn't penalise us for a slow rate

Well played early Lancs bowlers

Well played Arul Suppiah for setting this up. Slap on the hand for going down the wicket to a spinner when there was no need at all. You were in you numpty!

Cool award to Carl and Alf for bringing it home in such a manner - heep your head and find the spots. Way to go dudes!!

We are still there and that is excellent news but let's keep this in the real world.

We have a whole bunch of things to put right in this format

We have just won a game where we were required to score at less than 5 an over and we did it with a ball to spare. For now we celebrate the win but this has to get a whole lot better before we really should feel we deserve to be a first division side by right rather than bby luck.

On to Scarborough......



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:46

Now that we've got the Mickey Mouse stuff out of the way, let's go and win the 'big' one!(Sm108)(Sm60)



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:49

Here here, whilst it is good that we have retained our division 1 status in the 40 over stuff the proper cricket trophy is the one we most want, lets hope for fair weather at Scarborough to give us every chance...

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:49

Quote:
Tractor
Last one in the North Sea is a wimp (and anyone calling local news teams about a beached whale is off my Christmas card list).

Make sure you keep off the donkeys!(Sm142)



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:55

Is that the local brew Wurzel?

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 17:56

I shall have to lie down in a darkened room for a couple of hours - no good for the blood pressure!!

Well done lads, skip, Charl, Wes, Arul, the Fonz, Gazzz....all of them really!

At least we get to play in the first Div in its last season.

Bring on the Tykes! Re-group for Wednesday and roll the Tykes over for doing the same to us at Taunton earlier in the season.

And lets hope Lancs play to their full potential again back at fortress Taunton!

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 18:07

Let's hope it doesn't rain.

BR, if you drink the donkeys, don't make an ass of yourself!



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 18:08

Fantastic result,well played boys.
Never in doubt I thought,timed to perfection.
I just hope the grumblers who have been getting on the back of our skipper keep quiet for a while.
We've finished mid table in this one,first division this year by the way,and are well set to win our first ever CC.
This,by anybodys standards is a successful season.
Of course there need to be improvements in the one day format,we'll see that next year I'm sure.

I watched the Sussex match Wurzham and have to say that not that many runs were scored through the ftm area.
Did you notice how many runs were scored at backward point?
Did you notice how many runs were scored at deep long on?
Notic how many runs were scored at extra cover?
If you've got twenty odd fielders on the field then perhaps you could cover every eventuality.
Now there's a thought.
Innovation is the name of the game isn't it?


Well done today boys,most of us are proud of you.
Now let's win that Championship and crown a superb year.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 18:45

Hello every one we won then.

Well done Somerset I did notice that the obvious change was no Banks in the team, I have said for a while that he did not justify a place.

If radio Bristol/Somerset want to cover the last match of the season because we are playing for the Championship, Somerset should tell them to take a long walk off a short pier preferably Clevedon.



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 18:52

I wasnt within range to pick up radio bristol coverage until late afternoon, was there a problem with our local broadcasters? Let me guess they were favouring that 2nd rate team down the road rather than concentrating on us?!

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 18:55

That is correct WSM fan.
They really are a pathetic bunch,a joke of a radio station.
Totally agree Mike,their treatment of the club and the fans is beyond contempt.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 19:06

Shades of Carl Gazzard`s 16 off the last over that set up our semi-final win over Leicestershire on 20/20 Finals Day at The Oval in 2005.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 19:09

Lovely to see Carl play such an important role today.
Just shows the benefit of having a strong squad.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 19:15

I missed all the fun because I was happily involved in family matters elsewhere, but reading this thread has given me a good idea that we toyed with Lancs right to the very end. Particular congratulations appear to be due to Gazzard.

Now let's just wrap up those two last CC matches...



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 19:51

I have just been looking at the Middlesex v Worcs match.

Worcester lost their last five wickets for one run, their last four on the same score.


Incredible!



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Coy (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 20:17

Someone in the next day or two the highlights should be on lancs.tv. If anyone wants to have a look.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 20:36

Just got back from a golf weekend - looked up the score and read the thread - better than I had hoped for! A win and not even in the play-off - excellent, and really pleased for Carl Gazzard, looks like he was man of the match. Bodes well for more important stuff to come - come on lads!

(...and LFC beat ManU - my golf was rubbish, but it's been a great weekend!)

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 21:27

Another bulletin from the glasses-half-full brigade.

Is out Pro40 record under JL really all that poor? In the two seasons he has been captain we have Played 16, Won 8, Lost 6, Tied 1, No result 1.

Only four other counties have better records - Durham, who were also with us in Divison Two last year, have 10 wins in this period, while Kent, Yorkshire and Surrey, who have been in Division Two in both years, have 9 wins.

Of the sides currently in Division One, there are three with the same number of wins as us over the two years - Sussex (today`s champions), Nottinghamshire (runners-up) and Worcestershire (play-off candidates).

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 21:42

I think it's more of a personality issue with some fans CjM.
I think Mr Langer has done a remarkable job,he's not perfect and does make the odd blunder but then again who doesn't?
It's probably best we ignore the constant grumblers.
They'll never be happy as they think we should win every game we play.
Cloud-Cuckoo land some may call it.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 21:43

And in which year were the majority of the losses CJM?

How many of the wins did not include Ian Blackwell in the line-up?

Sometimes the half empty brigade may have a point and our one day record over two years isn't exactly balanced.

Oh and I'm one of the grumblers BJ and it has to do with not making decisions on cricketing grounds as far as I can see. The "great job" is also imbalanced and the great and glorious Western Australian still has some lessons to learn about being a boss before he enters my Hall of famous Somerset captains I'm afraid.



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 22:00

But of all the counties I listed, Grockle, only Durham in Division One have managed to do better than us over the two years. The other three - Kent, Yorkshire and Surrey - have been in Division Two both years.

The very nature of promotion and relegation must mean it is harder in Division One than Division Two, Even Durham, top dogs in the win stakes, managed six in Division Two last year, four in Division One this.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 22:05

No doubt, we would have been heavily beaten if Lancs had played to their potential..

... It's truly amazing that they fail to realise their supposedly immense potential on such a regular basis...

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 22:16

Ahh but CJM.

The results aren't equally spread over two years. It's this year we have been questioning. If your analysis had been equally spread I'd have to agree with you.

But we will survive this year simply because we won three to Worcestershire's two even though they have the same points as us and a superior run rate.

A 3/4 season is worse than a 5/2 season and it is the reason for the 3/4 that has been the question not whether it levels out if you look at it over two years instead of just this year.

Some suggested reasons raise questions about Justin's ability to manage his team and plan a winning strategy.

So the jury is still out about his overall record. The decision could go either way but it isn't clear cut yet in the eyes of some.



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 22:20

Some people make constructive criticism based on knowledge of the game and what they see and hear.
Others make criticism becuase they have a personal issue/agenda.
I don't think you're a grumbler Grockle,your criticism is fair and probably justified.I'm sure our skipper realises he has made mistakes and will learn from them.
Some of the stuff others have written and said has just been nasty and very difficult to take seriously.
We all have different opinions and as fans we all support our team as we see fit.
I'm one of those who'll cheer whatever the score as long as I can see that the boys are trying their hardest.
If others show their support differently then that's up to them.
Just don't expect me to agree with them.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 01:45

Lovely to see Gazzard come in from the cold and, so it seems, make the decisive contribution to this win.

Now for the last two CC matches.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 09:04

Most of the glass full brigade haven't had to suffer the embarassment of the 20/20, the last two seasons, or for that matter the FPT. It is widely acknowledged that the vast majority of posters prefer the CC, so all these comparisons are unfair and non-representative of real life.

However, if it gives you joy to keep banging the drum, almost as much as ftm, feel free. The cracks are there for most to see, if they take the blinkers off.



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 09:35

What comparisons are we talking about Both? The problems of one day captaincy for JL being compared within the four day context perhaps?

Comparisons are fine as long as people are aware that there are more than one form of the game being played. Just because posters may like one form of the game more than others doesn't mean they can't make informed comparisons.

The inference that just because people watch four day matches by preference they are dis-connected to the "real life" of cricket is one you've made before and it's no more true now than it was then.

The people who watch all forms of the game could be argued be more capable of realistic comparisons because they have that experience of all formats. Those who concentrate almost exclusively on one might have problems I suppose but I'm sure they keep in touch with other games in one way or another - through here might well be one.



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 10:03

What I am claiming is that as I hardly ever see JL captaining the CC side, I can only comment on results, which have been pretty good and he's undoubtedly brought some steel to the dressing room.

I see a lot of the limited overs games and I feel that his captaincy has been poor, both tactically and with man management, but the latter can only really be judged by those with inside knowledge.

I feel that as the majority of posters appear to desire the CC the most, their judgement of the 1 day set-up may be clouded.



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 10:46

You miss the point Botham.
It's not clouded at all,there are problems and they have been identified by the management.
We all support SCCC and want them to do well in every game they play.The fact that the vast majority here have a good knowledge of the game and see the CC as the most important prize in the domestic game is neither here nor there.It doesn't mean we couldn't care less about the one day stuff.
T20 is a bit of a joke in my opinion but it is also a money spinner so I can see the need to do well in that.
You seem to have had a problem with a captain who has brought remarkable change to our county for quite a while now,and like a dog with a bone you won't let go.
Prior to the championship deciding game against Notts last season we had a spat because you posted that you were unhappy with him and wanted to see Cameron White return in place of him.
That to me was as close to insanity as it gets,and it still is.
I don't think it's the other posters,myself included who have their judgement clouded by success in the CC.
Perhaps take a look a little closer to home,read some of your posts over the last year and then see who may be suffering from a little clouding of thought and judgement.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 11:07

The reality is that, during Langer's tenure, we have been very tough to beat in first-class cricket and not particularly difficult to beat (for decent teams) in the short form of the game. We've been average, at best, in the short forms of the game, taken as a whole.

I think the main reason that the form in the short stuff has caused a level of dissastisfaction which might seem disproportionate (given the preference that most of us have for the long form of the game and our healthy position in the CC) is the hugely contentious team selection for the short stuff. And, of course, part of the reason for the dissatisfaction with the team selection in the short stuff is that we fear that it will also cause an eventual change in the make-up of our first-class team too.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 11:22

But AG,being a football supporter you'll know more so than others that sometimes players leave a club often to the dismay of the massed ranks.
We have no idea what has gone on behind the scenes.
Maybe there has been an unsettling presence in the dressing room.
Maybe a player is letting an offer from another county effect his performance.
We just don't know,we have no idea.
The Rose/Langer combination has done us proud so far.
Let's have faith they'll continue to do so.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 11:45

I'd still prefer Blackie as captain and Cam as our overseas player, given the choice, so I guess that makes me a candidate for insanity.

Come to think of it our current management team have made some strange decisions! We had Blackie as capt and Woodie as vc, maybe we'll soon have neither in our ranks.

Decisions are all about opinion. I'm sticking with mine.



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 11:50

No,not insanity.
There is a difference bewteen accepting mediocrity and suffering insanity.
I use the term roughly anyway.
The Myth of Mental Illness is one of my favourite books of all time.
It opens your eyes,the blinkers get discarded and you are able to see things as they really are.
Rather than as you want to see them.
The two things are very different.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 12:51

The Rose/Langer combination has moved us forward. I also would not go as far as to say it has "done us proud".

I agree with you BJ, we don't know what negative aspects of other player characters Justin has had to cope with or what aspects of his character might be bringing about unrest in the squad.

The dearth of info is on both sides of the position and I think an effective management team would be bothered by that and its implications. The press certainly have an opinion and it's not fueled by info they get that we supporters don't.

You're very honest about your view on CC cricket Both but you DO comment on JL's captaincy across the board and have to clarify your situation when people question your general comments. The 'cloudy' view you accuse the CC preferer of having also fits a description of your own view from a one day position.

I can cope with that but not the premise that the one day view is 'reality' and the four day view is almost victorian and out of touch.



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 13:03

The problem with 4 day cricket, for me, is that to get the best chance of seeing the best action, one must attend all four days. I can usually only manage one, if it lasts to the Saturday, so if the weather's dodgy or we're not likely to bat, I tend not to go, so my view is definitely cloudy. Maybe when I retire and if I go with the flying pig, sorry horse, I might be on hand to see more 'proper' cricket.

Until then, I want to see more innovation and I want to see our stars on the field, not just in marketing campaigns.

I look forward to hearing what the club have to say, re Blackie, but if he goes, we'll all lose out.



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 13:30

ALthough it is unrealistic I~ want us to win every competition no matter what it is. I've not been happy with the pro 40 team selection and I've seen 6 of the 8 games. If we had done better I would hold my hand up and say I as wrong but we didn't get any better and still picked the same team. The only blessing yesterday was that Turner replaced Banks- we wouldn't have won otherwise, even though the Times thought that he replaced Blackwell.
Meanwhile I look to the next 2 weeks as a defining time. IF we win the CC -fantastic. IF not can we go down with all gun s blazing chasing victory.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 14:21

Hear hear GM.

Let's hope the weather gives us that opportunity however it turns out.

This poor one day form versus good four day and vice versa is not an unusual phenomenon.

I think the problem we have is that we SHOULD be competing in both formats.

We have exciting run making batsmen who can score quickly or can settle down for a more mature and longer innings.

We have good allrounders who can contribute with both bat and ball and we have a more varied attack than some of our opponents that can adapt to the requirements of the game.

We also have strength in depth in many areas. Probably the only thing we lack is a match winning spin option.

The frustration as you point out GM is that we don't seem to apply those strengths through our team selection. Have to agree with you about Omari though - as they said in the commentary yesterday, "he has flattered to deceive" this season.



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 20:16

There is now a four-minute video of yesterday`s Pro40 match on the Lancashire website - and very revealing it is, too.

The Liverpool club wicket is so bright green and heavily mottled that it is surprising that either side got beyond 50,let alone 150.

It is worth looking at the video alone for the rising ball from Smith that got Hildreth out. If there has been a more unplayable ball in any form of first-class cricket this season, then I wouldn`t have liked to be on the receiving end of it.

Not much chance here of cultured strokes in the 2008 European Capital of Culture.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 22:25

If that's the case then an even greater debt to Arul and Carl for keeping their heads.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 22:55

Cheers for reminding us about that CjM,most enjoyable.
I have a friend who farms along the coast from Minehead.If he ever needs some extra grazing ground for his cattle then I'll know where to send him.
What an amazing track,just like the old days.
Same for both sides though and yes the ball that young James got was as unplayable as it gets.
Superb work from Carl at the end.
Well done lad,you made a middle aged man very happy.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 11:26

I think that I noted that in Durham's total of 400 in the recent CC match Gazzard conceded only two byes. We're lucky to have such an excellent number two.

I've also noted the following comment from Botham:

Most of the glass full brigade haven't had to suffer the embarassment of the 20/20, the last two seasons, or for that matter the FPT.

and am wondering how long watching any form of cricket has been compulsory.

I wish it was - for it is cricket I go to watch and Somerset cricket in particular and I'm not interested in "value for money" or any other such merely mercantile arguments.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 11:30

Your life membership has been excellent vfm, lol. Unfortunately, not all customers are so easy to please.



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 11:49

May I mention, Botham, that, while I constantly congratulate myself on my good sense in obtaining Life Membership in 1978, attendance at a "home" CC match never costs me less than £150, taking into account a return train fare, B&B accommodation for three nights, paying for lunch and supper, (and buying Tractor 17 pints a day to keep him in good voice)?

That's largely why I don't attend every match (inluding the one-day ones), much as I'd like to.

Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 11:58

So you're on a par with Both who has paid that in entry fees for the games he's seen this year LoL. Transport and food on top of that? I'd question the vfm of it as well!!

Mine - a little less but I tell myself I work for my watching so it's OK (well I tell myself that anyway).



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 12:02

I think I slightly under-estimated what it costs me, in case my wife sees the posting.

Must be mad... but that's what come of being



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 13:17

Quote:
Grockle
So you're on a par with Both who has paid that in entry fees for the games he's seen this year LoL. Transport and food on top of that? I'd question the vfm of it as well!!
Mine - a little less but I tell myself I work for my watching so it's OK (well I tell myself that anyway).

Are you still a member, Grockle?

ps I can't afford to eat at the ground, as well!



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 19:56

Not this year...no point...nothing to pay for.

I maintained my membership because of the 'extras' that the community that was the Stragglers provided and I felt I wanted to be part of that aspect of the "membership".

That community has not been provided for and the extra game that is all the Platinum's paid extra for this year I can access anyway. So the point of joining would have been?

The value I gave to that aspect of the place was not seen as important in this year's scheme of things. When it is I'll review renewing my membership. Until then I'll "report" rather than "join" I suppose.

I presently have that option, others don't enjoy the choice.



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 20:09

I was just interested whether you were both a member of the club and a member of the press.



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 21:22

Not really a member of either I'm afraid. Just a ligger



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Re: Points in the 'Pool?
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 22:17

Quote:
Grockle
Not really a member of either I'm afraid. Just a ligger

That's my new word for the day. Ligger = hanger-on, freeloader! lol



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