Somerset
Tyke Tuesday in Taunton
They think he's Mellowed!
By Grockle
May 25 2011
Yorkshire make the long trip to the County Ground for the battle of indifferent Championship "one's to watch". They are having a similar start to ours and would dearly like to break the cycle of declaring on a total that we pass to take the win at Taunton. Alfonso Thomas is in the country but will not play in theis one and Craig Kieswetter is in the nets but not yet match fit....Will Max play? Well it seems early morning rain has put paid to that as well.
v Yorkshire CC1 @ Taunton Tuesday 24 May 2011
Commentary (Radio Leeds - via cricinfo scorecard above)
Commentary (SCCC via clicking on Murali Kartik on the messageboard photo)
The side named for this match is;
Trescothick, Suppiah, Compton, Barrow, Trego, Buttler, Gregory, Hildreth, Hussain, Kirby, Willoughby
Alfonso got here but isn't really yet acclimatised or ready for a four day game. Craig had an early fitness test but is not yet ready himself. Yorkshire have won the toss and will bat.
Well that was all I saw of the game until the Tea interval. Hussain bowled very well in the first session going at 1.75 runs per over and taking two early wickets with Root at 56 and Lyth at 75. In between Pete took McGrath out and we looked good at 109 for 3. However there were ominous signs that the pitch was flattening and becoming less favourable to the ball and so it proved.
After lunch Kirby did get Gale at 138 and then that was it. For the next 37 overs nothing happened except Bairstow and Ballance put on 166 and never looked in the slightest trouble. They went into Tea with Bairstow past 100 with 18 fours to his name and 262 up without further loss. 500 looked distinctly on!
Suddenly, halfway through the 74th over the game changed literally in 3 deliveries. From having little or no problem with any ball and balls hardly passing the bat, Ballance found he as playing and missing at everything Steve Kirby sent his way and he was no where near any of it. The 75th over brought Charl back into the equation and he delivered the centurion clean bowled with a full length ball. He then stuck it on Rashid's boot next ball and Yorkshire found themselves in dissarry at 305 for 6. Ballance tried to hold it together but fell to a beauty from Charl with this rejuvinated old ball at 322 and Sidebottom finaly go an edge to Gemaal after trying really hard at 331.
Shazhad started to pull everything in sight and got the score moving a little but the end was inevitable and once he had finally stepped in front of his stumps once too often Hanon-Dalby was not going to hold up proceedings too long and the Tykes had gone for 358. 6 wickets for 53 runs in less than 10 overs with a ball that started 74 overs old? Great fightback and game on.
Marcus and Arul survived the 4 overs until the close adding only 7.
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Even though i have had two consecutive disappointing fridays listening to the commentary of Somersets 4 dayers i will still be attending the Yorkshire game and giving the boys my full support 
and drinking cider
will anyone else be there?
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and drinking cider
will anyone else be there?
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Hello all,
Once again I will be with you,and there won't be any silly declarations like the last two seasons. Mind you,you shouldn't need to rely on us declaring;we're having a shocking season(as you
will know). Injuries and the ECB depriving us of players for the Roses match and of course not having an overseas player due to being skint,means we haven't been able to field a full strength team yet this season.
Never mind,I will no doubt meet up with Tractor,Sloop John B and hopefully Big Jim. If memory serves me well,he owes me a pint from 4 seasons ago. (only joking;it will just be good to see you - presumably on Gimletts Hill)
Let battle commence - cheers TykesRUs
Once again I will be with you,and there won't be any silly declarations like the last two seasons. Mind you,you shouldn't need to rely on us declaring;we're having a shocking season(as you
will know). Injuries and the ECB depriving us of players for the Roses match and of course not having an overseas player due to being skint,means we haven't been able to field a full strength team yet this season.
Never mind,I will no doubt meet up with Tractor,Sloop John B and hopefully Big Jim. If memory serves me well,he owes me a pint from 4 seasons ago. (only joking;it will just be good to see you - presumably on Gimletts Hill)
Let battle commence - cheers TykesRUs
Cheers Tykes - don't be down. If you've been reading here we are also fighting relegation with a poorly performing side. Did we go down together last time? It's been a great spectacle over the last two seasons so we can but hope.
There might be a few about the place for the last CC1 before the mid season break for some. See ya there
There might be a few about the place for the last CC1 before the mid season break for some. See ya there
Hove thread. Com'n Ron...we lost a game. Relegation was bound to come up :-)
"If you've been reading here we are also fighting relegation with a poorly performing side."
Never a truer word spoken in jest.
Never a truer word spoken in jest.
As far as the CC is concerned, it cannot be said that the season thus far has been any better than average, at best. After all, we have lost more games than we have won.
If it gets conflated with the one-day stuff you get a different overall picture as we are a strong one-day side that wins games consistently.
Personally, I'd swap all the CB40 wins for, say, an extra 20 points in the CC though!!
If it gets conflated with the one-day stuff you get a different overall picture as we are a strong one-day side that wins games consistently.
Personally, I'd swap all the CB40 wins for, say, an extra 20 points in the CC though!!
And if you read further up here you'll see some believe it at this present moment in time.
Not a position I personally as a supporter believe can actually be allowed to go without comment.
In my view it's a ludicrous statement to accept before the halfway stage (I'm not sure the poster who put it up there really took it that seriously yet) but it's not the first one this season as people seem to have left any sense of perspective at the gate on the first day of play - along with the players against Warwickshire.
However, they returned to reality and are working at improving things while some commentators here have just continued to look into the deep dark well of despair from then on.
Not a position I personally as a supporter believe can actually be allowed to go without comment.
In my view it's a ludicrous statement to accept before the halfway stage (I'm not sure the poster who put it up there really took it that seriously yet) but it's not the first one this season as people seem to have left any sense of perspective at the gate on the first day of play - along with the players against Warwickshire.
However, they returned to reality and are working at improving things while some commentators here have just continued to look into the deep dark well of despair from then on.
Pick the bones out of this.
Both tables from 2010 and 2011 after six matches.
2010 - [www.espncricinfo.com]
2011 - [www.espncricinfo.com]
Something to do on a Sunday.
Both tables from 2010 and 2011 after six matches.
2010 - [www.espncricinfo.com]
2011 - [www.espncricinfo.com]
Something to do on a Sunday.
Thanks for that Mike BOS
So going on the tables as a few of us are already thinking the game against Lancs at the end of the season at Taunton will be first against second to take the title
Wurz
So going on the tables as a few of us are already thinking the game against Lancs at the end of the season at Taunton will be first against second to take the title
Wurz
I tend to agree with Mike about the topsy-turvy nature of the CC thus far.
It's also true that we have good players to come back.
Then again, we've not the only ones that have been playing without first-team players.
When we beat Hants at the Rose Bowl, I think they were without as many as five first-team players - Lumb, Carberry, Imran Tahir, Kabir Ali and Djimi Mascharenhas... all five of those guys have, I think?), played international cricket at some stage. So Hants are certainly a team that could really turn their form around when they get players back.
My main thought is that, last year, Notts form basically collapsed over the second half of last season. It's entirely possible that one of Durham, Lancs or Warks could see a similar collapse in form, though it seems unlikely that they would all experience a collapse in form!
My pre-season thought was that Durham should probably be favourites and I still tend to think that that should be the case.
It's also true that we have good players to come back.
Then again, we've not the only ones that have been playing without first-team players.
When we beat Hants at the Rose Bowl, I think they were without as many as five first-team players - Lumb, Carberry, Imran Tahir, Kabir Ali and Djimi Mascharenhas... all five of those guys have, I think?), played international cricket at some stage. So Hants are certainly a team that could really turn their form around when they get players back.
My main thought is that, last year, Notts form basically collapsed over the second half of last season. It's entirely possible that one of Durham, Lancs or Warks could see a similar collapse in form, though it seems unlikely that they would all experience a collapse in form!
My pre-season thought was that Durham should probably be favourites and I still tend to think that that should be the case.
So what do we think, team-wise?
Hildreth back, obviously, but for whom?
I suppose, logically, it will be Meschede?
I wonder if there's any chance of a change to the bowling .. possibly with Adam Dibble coming in?
Gemaal Hussain's record so far is not really one that you would like from your first change bowler... he's been expensive in terms of runs per over and his bowling average is 45.
Certainly, one would think that Hussain will, at present, be first in line to make way in the CC side when Alf Thomas returns.
With Meschede apparently bowling well in the seconds, I suppose we could look at keeping him in the XI and using a combination of him and Gregory as second change bowler (with Pete at first change) in which case we could make a change of simply Hildreth for Hussain?
Hildreth back, obviously, but for whom?
I suppose, logically, it will be Meschede?
I wonder if there's any chance of a change to the bowling .. possibly with Adam Dibble coming in?
Gemaal Hussain's record so far is not really one that you would like from your first change bowler... he's been expensive in terms of runs per over and his bowling average is 45.
Certainly, one would think that Hussain will, at present, be first in line to make way in the CC side when Alf Thomas returns.
With Meschede apparently bowling well in the seconds, I suppose we could look at keeping him in the XI and using a combination of him and Gregory as second change bowler (with Pete at first change) in which case we could make a change of simply Hildreth for Hussain?
B Rose says Alfie due back in UK today so should be available for selection, also Craig having a fitness test pre match so could be back. Hildy WILL be back from lions.
Kartik having extra break so not due until start of T20 campaign (although only 10 days until that now.
Therefore???
Tres, Arul, Compo, Hildy, Craig/Barrow, Jos, Pete, 2 of Alfie/Hussain/Max/Lewis, Kirby, Charl
Kartik having extra break so not due until start of T20 campaign (although only 10 days until that now.
Therefore???
Tres, Arul, Compo, Hildy, Craig/Barrow, Jos, Pete, 2 of Alfie/Hussain/Max/Lewis, Kirby, Charl
GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could not understand - and said so - the suggestion that Alf would be back in the country but not play. It didn't sound like Alf to me at all. I thought Brian would have physcially lock him away somewhere to stop him from playing.
I could not understand - and said so - the suggestion that Alf would be back in the country but not play. It didn't sound like Alf to me at all. I thought Brian would have physcially lock him away somewhere to stop him from playing.
lets hope we have good weather, if craig is back as well as hildy we are looking much stronger.
Also alf will be a big boost. I think him, kirby and charl are a must. Then you can adapt the last place and include;
Max - If there's some spin
Hussain - If the pitch is green
Gregory - if craig doesn't recover and they want to strengthen the batting (although if he plays as a bowler, they have to have faith to give him a few overs).
Also Gregory and Barrow may be after Jos' spot in the batting line up.
Also alf will be a big boost. I think him, kirby and charl are a must. Then you can adapt the last place and include;
Max - If there's some spin
Hussain - If the pitch is green
Gregory - if craig doesn't recover and they want to strengthen the batting (although if he plays as a bowler, they have to have faith to give him a few overs).
Also Gregory and Barrow may be after Jos' spot in the batting line up.
Jos looked really nervous in the second innings at Hove. And somebody said that AH had said that 'we need to find a way to translate Jos's one-day form to the CC.'
Well, I really suspect that what Jos needs - if he hasn't been told already - is to be told that he has license to forget altogether about the distinction between one day and four day cricket and just play naturally.
I'm not convinced that a long technical net session (assuming that that is what they will be doing) with Jimmy Cook will necessarily be ideal because I'm not sure that what ails Jos is technical. I think what ails Jos is trying to play an unnatural game.... focusing heavily on crease occupation etc to the detriment of his natural game.
Having said all of that, Jos is averaging only 5 runs fewer than Arul and 6 fewer than James.
Well, I really suspect that what Jos needs - if he hasn't been told already - is to be told that he has license to forget altogether about the distinction between one day and four day cricket and just play naturally.
I'm not convinced that a long technical net session (assuming that that is what they will be doing) with Jimmy Cook will necessarily be ideal because I'm not sure that what ails Jos is technical. I think what ails Jos is trying to play an unnatural game.... focusing heavily on crease occupation etc to the detriment of his natural game.
Having said all of that, Jos is averaging only 5 runs fewer than Arul and 6 fewer than James.
Certainly the twitter from Alf yesterday suggested he was on his way and ready for it. I couldn't begin to try and assess where Murali's head willbe after such a limited experience for Pune this year.
If Alf is in that makes it really interesting AND gives us a four day game to assess where he is in terms of form.
Who moves out will be interesting. Will Max play? Will Alex be considered after his decent showing in the Sussex game at number
It gets a bit cramped from here on in.
If Alf is in that makes it really interesting AND gives us a four day game to assess where he is in terms of form.
Who moves out will be interesting. Will Max play? Will Alex be considered after his decent showing in the Sussex game at number
It gets a bit cramped from here on in.
But whatever we do, we must attack. The reason we lost against Sussex was, as so often in the past, we failed to take 20 wickets. Yes the batting in the second innings was disappointing but even it has been better the bowlers didn't get close enough.
What we won't do is succeed in the CC by filling the team with allrounders. AGod's Hildreth for Hussain idea is exactly wrong. Despite his mixed performances, Gemaal has had hot days this season. We need the four best bowlers we have plus Trego as the allrounder. Hildreth should replace Meschede and Thomas and kartik coming in as ready for Gregory and only then Hussein.
As regards pressure on Buttler, well that's where Alex Barrow is the challenger and he's batted better than Gregory or Meschede. Nothing wrong with bit part players but they must demonstrate the ability to make a mark in at least one discipline rather than just be a number 8.
What we won't do is succeed in the CC by filling the team with allrounders. AGod's Hildreth for Hussain idea is exactly wrong. Despite his mixed performances, Gemaal has had hot days this season. We need the four best bowlers we have plus Trego as the allrounder. Hildreth should replace Meschede and Thomas and kartik coming in as ready for Gregory and only then Hussein.
As regards pressure on Buttler, well that's where Alex Barrow is the challenger and he's batted better than Gregory or Meschede. Nothing wrong with bit part players but they must demonstrate the ability to make a mark in at least one discipline rather than just be a number 8.
Bloody hell KT!
I think I've agreed with you more this season than for the last five years..which of us is mellowing I wonder? :-)
I think I've agreed with you more this season than for the last five years..which of us is mellowing I wonder? :-)
Mike, thanks for putting in the link to last years CC table at this stage of the season. I was pretty sure that last year Somerset's early CC performance was not even up to Averageside's 'average' performance level - I remembered our losses to Yorks and Notts (I was there) but faintly remembered not much in the 'victories' co;umn until after Murali Kartik arrived. this table goes to prove it - and points out the wide gulf in points between Somerset and table toppers Notts.
Plenty of time to catch up. Front runners often tire in the final furlongs as BJ probably knows to his (financial) cost!
Plenty of time to catch up. Front runners often tire in the final furlongs as BJ probably knows to his (financial) cost!
There was nothing as opposed to merely not much in the victory column, pre-Kartik, last year.
Good point, AGod. Kartik could yet to be there difference for us, though it may need Hussain to match Phillips performance last season that was highly impressive.
Or Kirby KT - or a mixture of the two. We do however need Alf to come in firing on all six as well to be anywhere near the top of the division.
Do we know, yet, who will be available for this game
JH will be back, one assumes
CK ?? My guess is not
Alf and Kartik ?
JH will be back, one assumes
CK ?? My guess is not
Alf and Kartik ?
Earlier on the thread....
Hildy back, Alfie expected to be available, but not Kartik.
Craig faces late fitness test
Hildy back, Alfie expected to be available, but not Kartik.
Craig faces late fitness test
Morning all
The weather forecast doesn't look too bad at all for Days 1 and 2. Might be a bit of rain Day 3.
[metcheck.com]
The weather forecast doesn't look too bad at all for Days 1 and 2. Might be a bit of rain Day 3.
[metcheck.com]
Hopefully Alf will arrive back in the nick of time. The ash cloud is expected to bring flight disruption to the UK from Tuesday am.
Former Yorkshire captain Anthony McGrath may return to the side at Taunton tomorrow after injury.
He hit 79 for the Seconds against Warwickshire on Friday in his first Second XI match for six years.
He hit 79 for the Seconds against Warwickshire on Friday in his first Second XI match for six years.
Hope Alf does play as I believe we need his pace and variety.
Slightly off topic, but is there any news about George Dockrell? The last I heard, they were hoping to get him fit for the T20 campaign.
Slightly off topic, but is there any news about George Dockrell? The last I heard, they were hoping to get him fit for the T20 campaign.
I think thats still the position. He is bowling in the nets now I hear so he shouldn't be that far away.
The story on Craig K seems to have changed.
"Still under treatment and unlikely to be considered," says the official website, so either that info is incorrect, the previous info about a fitness test was incorrect, or he's already had the fitness test and failed it.
"Still under treatment and unlikely to be considered," says the official website, so either that info is incorrect, the previous info about a fitness test was incorrect, or he's already had the fitness test and failed it.
no secialist spinner v Yorks. Alf in squad and no CK. Decision on Alf to be made in the morning.
Kartik better be on his game when he comes back. I don't know what it is but there is something nagging away at me that he is not fully committed.
Kartik better be on his game when he comes back. I don't know what it is but there is something nagging away at me that he is not fully committed.
It's his daughters first birthday today wherever his family are based so one would assume he is doing his fatherly duties today.
fair enough. time will tell though about his performances.
Looks like Nannes is going to Surrey as well.
Wonder whether we will go for an overseas or not now?
Looks like Nannes is going to Surrey as well.
Wonder whether we will go for an overseas or not now?
I wasn't happy when it was announced Kartik was having a post-IPL break last year, but then he did so well when he did turn up, that I find myself less concerned about it this time.
Nevertheless, if he is going to be retained for next season as well (I can't remember if he has already signed a contract for next season?) then I think Brian will need to find a locum overseas player that has a proven record of playing in England to cover Kartik's absence.
With hindsight, I think that was the key error with the Mendis signing -- no track record in England. You cannot wait for a new signing to settle in when their entire stint is only going to be four or five games!
Nevertheless, if he is going to be retained for next season as well (I can't remember if he has already signed a contract for next season?) then I think Brian will need to find a locum overseas player that has a proven record of playing in England to cover Kartik's absence.
With hindsight, I think that was the key error with the Mendis signing -- no track record in England. You cannot wait for a new signing to settle in when their entire stint is only going to be four or five games!
No Max in the squad for Yorkshire then. I am a little surprised at this - whether he were to get in the XI or not - but I guess that as we at home, we will know what the wicket will likely do.
I have a nagging suspicion that Marcus, like Justin before him, has a reluctance to include spinners, and prefers a safer left armer who can tie up one end if necessary, to an attacking spinner. I may be wrong of course.
Of course it may also be that whilst Max, and Michael before him are decent leggies, they simply are not good enough for CC1, much as most of us would like them to be (or have been).
I have a nagging suspicion that Marcus, like Justin before him, has a reluctance to include spinners, and prefers a safer left armer who can tie up one end if necessary, to an attacking spinner. I may be wrong of course.
Of course it may also be that whilst Max, and Michael before him are decent leggies, they simply are not good enough for CC1, much as most of us would like them to be (or have been).
Yeah, no doubt we're aiming to produce another greenish track. We seem to be able to produce greenish pitches whenever we want them. More difficult is actually guaranteeing that they "play," green!
It is easy to produce a green pitch don’t use the mower. 
Yorkshires nets didn't last long it is now raining, it is better to have it now than tomorrow.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011:05:23:16:15:20 by Mike BOS.
Yorkshires nets didn't last long it is now raining, it is better to have it now than tomorrow.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011:05:23:16:15:20 by Mike BOS.
Been looking at the Yorkshire forum - on some threads were the names of players/teams 'redacted' would find little difference in comments between the White Rose supporters and our own Grockles!
Interestingly they too spend some time discussing team selection and spinners, but in thei8r case they have certain posters who champiion the 'two spinner' policy.
Therein lies the truth - Yorkshire will certainly be playing one spinner (Rashid) with I think we would all agree has a far superior first class pedigree than any spinner available to Somerset for this match. They have young batsman Joe Root who has bowled a bit of offspin this season, and David Wainwright in the wings should they feel the two spinner option is the way to go.
I think it unlikely that Somerset would be asking for a spin-friendly pitch for this match. Although they could go for the double-bluff; there are some suspicions on the Yorkshire site that the pitch for tomorrow will be well over to the Somerset Stand side of the square, with a 'Trego-friendly' boundary (I kid you not). In which case maybe we want them to play two spinners!
Interestingly they too spend some time discussing team selection and spinners, but in thei8r case they have certain posters who champiion the 'two spinner' policy.
Therein lies the truth - Yorkshire will certainly be playing one spinner (Rashid) with I think we would all agree has a far superior first class pedigree than any spinner available to Somerset for this match. They have young batsman Joe Root who has bowled a bit of offspin this season, and David Wainwright in the wings should they feel the two spinner option is the way to go.
I think it unlikely that Somerset would be asking for a spin-friendly pitch for this match. Although they could go for the double-bluff; there are some suspicions on the Yorkshire site that the pitch for tomorrow will be well over to the Somerset Stand side of the square, with a 'Trego-friendly' boundary (I kid you not). In which case maybe we want them to play two spinners!
"Trego friendly boundary," aahahahahah... nice to know he's got in their heads!
I can’t tell you exactly where the pitch is for tomorrow, all I can say is the sightscreen is dead centre on the Sir Ian Botham stand with almost a equal number of seat showing on each side of the sightscreen.
Judging on the Sussex game it isn't just Max the selectors don't trust - there weren't many overs from the youngsters even in the second innings when the 'so-called' more experienced bowlers weren't doing the business.
Frankly, I don't know where we are going to use Max now in the CC for the rest of the season if the current thinking continues. Presumably as far as the selectors are concerned he is behind Kartik and Dockrell, so unless they fall under a bus, we will never know whether Max has what it takes in CC batting or bowling, until he joins another club.
Frankly, I don't know where we are going to use Max now in the CC for the rest of the season if the current thinking continues. Presumably as far as the selectors are concerned he is behind Kartik and Dockrell, so unless they fall under a bus, we will never know whether Max has what it takes in CC batting or bowling, until he joins another club.
Yorkshire have announced a squad of 13 on their official website.
Opener Joe Sayers is out with a bruised foot sustained in the Roses match but Anthony McGrath returns from injury having played in a 2nds match last week. Shazad and Bairstow are back from Lions duty. Locum keeper Simon Guy goes back to his day job and Brophy isn't fit.
Yorkshire squad to play Somerset (from)
Lyth
Root
McGrath
Gale(c)
Bairstow(w)
Ballance
Rashid
Shazad
Sidebottom
Patterson
Hannon-Dalby
Ashraf
Wainwright
Opener Joe Sayers is out with a bruised foot sustained in the Roses match but Anthony McGrath returns from injury having played in a 2nds match last week. Shazad and Bairstow are back from Lions duty. Locum keeper Simon Guy goes back to his day job and Brophy isn't fit.
Yorkshire squad to play Somerset (from)
Lyth
Root
McGrath
Gale(c)
Bairstow(w)
Ballance
Rashid
Shazad
Sidebottom
Patterson
Hannon-Dalby
Ashraf
Wainwright
McGrath likes us...he's scored against us in the past. Even then his own supporters were moaning at him until he got way past 50
I am out all day and expect to read great things on my return.
And by the way, I 've blocked out the week we play Lancs in anticipation of a long worthwhile journey down
And by the way, I 've blocked out the week we play Lancs in anticipation of a long worthwhile journey down
Lets hope Arul scores a few runs in this game.
If my memory serves me correctly, he's scored decent runs in the last 2 Yorkshire games at Taunton.
If my memory serves me correctly, he's scored decent runs in the last 2 Yorkshire games at Taunton.
Commentary team for this game (access via the picture of KARTIK at the top of the messageboard). After Tea Grockles comments will be answered once I've arrived - last minute dash time as all four days are in the working week.
Day One
Session 1 - Bill Luckett/Dick Macey
Session 2 - Julian Cattenach /Paul Harper
Session 3 - Paul Bird/John Hamlin
Day Two
Session 1 - Eric Cole/Ben Manning
Session 2 - Chris Stone/Paul Harper
Session 3 - Paul Bird/Roy Kerslake
Day Three
Session 1 - John Hamlin/Paul Harper
Session 2 - Eric Cole/Richard Oliver
Session 3 - Paul Bird/Julian Cattenach
Day Four
Session 1 - Richard Oliver/Barry Allaway
Session 2 - Paul Harper/Eric Cole
Session 3 - Paul Bird/Roy Kerslake
Day One
Session 1 - Bill Luckett/Dick Macey
Session 2 - Julian Cattenach /Paul Harper
Session 3 - Paul Bird/John Hamlin
Day Two
Session 1 - Eric Cole/Ben Manning
Session 2 - Chris Stone/Paul Harper
Session 3 - Paul Bird/Roy Kerslake
Day Three
Session 1 - John Hamlin/Paul Harper
Session 2 - Eric Cole/Richard Oliver
Session 3 - Paul Bird/Julian Cattenach
Day Four
Session 1 - Richard Oliver/Barry Allaway
Session 2 - Paul Harper/Eric Cole
Session 3 - Paul Bird/Roy Kerslake
Is it my imagination, Grockle, or is the roster of commentators growing? There's a lot of names listed there and I don't think I am familiar with some of them.
They did and will bat, according to cricinfo. Looks like Marcus's luck with the toss has run out the last couple of games.
Hopefully this toss will be rather less significant that the one at Hove. M H Yardy walked towards me a with a gleeful look on his face after winning the toss at Hove. I'm not sure that Andrew Gale will be quite so cock-a-hoop at winning the toss today?
Indeed, if it's one of those Taunton pitches that looks really green, then Marcus may consider it a good toss to have lost, and we can never really be sure how these green tracks will play.
I think Mike mentioned rain yesterday, so that might have given a bit of extra spice to whatever we have prepared?
Hopefully this toss will be rather less significant that the one at Hove. M H Yardy walked towards me a with a gleeful look on his face after winning the toss at Hove. I'm not sure that Andrew Gale will be quite so cock-a-hoop at winning the toss today?
Indeed, if it's one of those Taunton pitches that looks really green, then Marcus may consider it a good toss to have lost, and we can never really be sure how these green tracks will play.
I think Mike mentioned rain yesterday, so that might have given a bit of extra spice to whatever we have prepared?
Yorkshire won toss and batting. Hildy in for craig M otherwise unchanged - no Alfie
So, no Alf or Craig for this one. Wasn't really expecting CK to be risked. Cricinfo says Yorks are batting.
According to Cricinfo that is - not at the ground yet need to get in my time machine to transport me from Liverpool!
Anyone else struggling to hear the commentary? Can we get a message to the team? What is the email adsdress?
I don't think anything is picked up until Grockle gets there - and he is doing the late shift. Don't think the rest are at all tech savvy.
I suppose you could try PMing Grockle and then if he picks up the message I suppose, perhaps, he could ring the commentary team?
I suppose you could try PMing Grockle and then if he picks up the message I suppose, perhaps, he could ring the commentary team?
It's a tad quiet/ecko'y (is that a word?) Sounds like they are in a bathroom
BBC radio leeds also doing commentary you get better volume but with a eee bah gum rather than oooh aaaar accent!
echo'ee!!..yes, it is!!can someone text grockle so he can ask them to turn up the volume!!
Will pass the message on to the Mighty Walsh and Mr Wolf and see what they can do if they are at the ground.
Forgot to mention that some reprobates stole the commentary kit from the box during the break in games and they will be using "new"(not of the brand spanking variety I'm afraid) and possibly unfamiliar gear so you may have to bear with them for today.
There are a couple of new names on the list I think AG - certainly "B Manning" caught my eye when I firt saw it without the full first name. But mostly they have been on before.
I'm prepared for my usual severe investigation of field placings during my sessions with the Mighty Mr Kerslake :-)
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Forgot to mention that some reprobates stole the commentary kit from the box during the break in games and they will be using "new"(not of the brand spanking variety I'm afraid) and possibly unfamiliar gear so you may have to bear with them for today.
There are a couple of new names on the list I think AG - certainly "B Manning" caught my eye when I firt saw it without the full first name. But mostly they have been on before.
I'm prepared for my usual severe investigation of field placings during my sessions with the Mighty Mr Kerslake :-)
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Someone has emailed the Yorkie commentators with a little concern that by batting first Yorkshire may just be tempted to set Somerset a target to chase in the 4th innings and Trego will, well, you know the rest!!
Joe Sayers guest commentator suggesting that Kirbs has mellowed. Hmmm.
Joe Sayers guest commentator suggesting that Kirbs has mellowed. Hmmm.
I can hear our commentators fine, albeit that they sound like they're in a cellar.
Well, probably already at the point where we could use a breakthrough. With the exception of Northants being all over Leics, not a lot of joy for bowling sides around the country, thus far.
careful AG.....that may be construed as a negative comment and we all know you aren't allowed them on here
Hear what you're saying, ronnie Actually, I'd say AG was right - we could do with a wicket at that point - and got one!
Would I be right in guessing that opposing openers have had quite a few good partnerships against us this season, and that first breakthroughs have tended to come after 15-25 overs? Anyone out there with more time or less work to do than me able to look that up?
Actually, I'd say AG was right - we could do with a wicket at that point - and got one!
Would I be right in guessing that opposing openers have had quite a few good partnerships against us this season, and that first breakthroughs have tended to come after 15-25 overs? Anyone out there with more time or less work to do than me able to look that up?
Yorkshire commentators saying their commentarybox is a bit warm and the windows don't open.
Maybe Trego will oblige when he's batting
Maybe Trego will oblige when he's batting
I think you are right SP but thats from the top of my head. I think our bowlers are slightly better with a ball which is a little older. Dont know why that is though!!!
Trigger was lulling them into a false sense of security by going at 8 an over.
Yes, SP, my memory would concur with you.
I think that's been something of a feature of our season so far, for whatever reason.
Ironically, in the first four games or so the only really early wicket I remember was that of a Warks opener -- and we all know how that innings turned out!!
I think that's been something of a feature of our season so far, for whatever reason.
Ironically, in the first four games or so the only really early wicket I remember was that of a Warks opener -- and we all know how that innings turned out!!
These commentators are true professionals aren't they!?
They don't seem to get AT ALL excited when a wicket falls.
They've just described what sounds like a brilliant piece of fielding by James to remove a batsman who sounded like he was flying and not a trace of excitement!
They don't seem to get AT ALL excited when a wicket falls.
They've just described what sounds like a brilliant piece of fielding by James to remove a batsman who sounded like he was flying and not a trace of excitement!
Need to get some Apples inside of them AG.
Wonder if Gemmaal has woken up to the fact he's fighting for his place in the team.
Wonder if Gemmaal has woken up to the fact he's fighting for his place in the team.
Guy has had a 'fiddle' so it should be better now. If it is still 'Echoey' let me know and I'll see if I can do anything this afternoon.
That is if I have time between censoring any negative comment off this incredibly censored website. :-)
That is if I have time between censoring any negative comment off this incredibly censored website. :-)
Aye, some cider would sort them!!
Unless the pitch is more difficult than is customary then Lancs, at 65 for 3, do not appear to be in a very good position at the Rose Bowl.
Unless the pitch is more difficult than is customary then Lancs, at 65 for 3, do not appear to be in a very good position at the Rose Bowl.
since all the criticsm of his batting has erupted his bowling has not been up to scratch.
we'll soon find out when he bats. If he lasts more than 2 balls its worked!!!
Sounds like an interesting morning, with which neither side is likely to be wholly pleased.
Depends what the bowlers have for lunch, hopefully the same batch of soup from 2nd day at Hove
Lancs would have expected to lose Jimmy Anderson but they have also lost Maharoof who has been called up into Sri Lanka's Test squad - not sure if he's there to stay or just as cover in case Fernando proves unfit for Cardiff. Chapple still out too though Tom Smith returns from injury as does Newby.
The scorecard from the Rose Bowl will bring some cheer to the Yorkies anyway.
The scorecard from the Rose Bowl will bring some cheer to the Yorkies anyway.
I see Karl Brown's in the runs again for Lancs - was very impressed by him at Hove last month.
Agree with Tumbles about the Hove soup!
Agree with Tumbles about the Hove soup!
Well without the benefit of the radio commentary, a topsy-turvy first session appears to have been won - just about.
AGOD, can you repeat that mantra at regular intervals as it appears your are the man in the wicket getting chair.:-)
Why on earth is the commentator suggesting that Adil Rashid 'may be suffering second season syndrome,??????
Quote:Clearly he's come on a lot since last year.SheptonPaul
I see Karl Brown's in the runs again for Lancs - was very impressed by him at Hove last month.
It certainly seems to me that a wicket will be required in fairly short order.
Well, in a bit early and not too bad it seems. If bowling on day 1 my rough and ready rule of thumb is 100 for 3 at lunch;240 for 6 at tea and 330 all out at close. These are my markers for assessment.
If we are batting then I go 110 for 3 at lunch 260 for 5 at tea and 365 for 8 at close.
No scientific basis but a marker for judgement.
If we are batting then I go 110 for 3 at lunch 260 for 5 at tea and 365 for 8 at close.
No scientific basis but a marker for judgement.
Sorry, guys, my latest injunction seems to have failed us.
I think we are now doomed to seeing Yorkshire run up a massive total.....
I think we are now doomed to seeing Yorkshire run up a massive total.....
Situation maybe calls for an over or two from Arul.
Do you think there will be a cake for Lewis at tea or do the fitness coaches ban that sort of thing?
Do you think there will be a cake for Lewis at tea or do the fitness coaches ban that sort of thing?
Perhaps a celebratory satsuma? After all, people used to receive that at Christmas.
Sounds like it may be time for Pete to "have a blow," an awful lot of short stuff in that over, by the sounds of it.
Yorkshire reports also said that Kirby bowled badly with new ball too. Pete not doing so well either.
Our lack of a spinner is quite galling!! Sorry SP thats a fact not a negative jibe.
Our lack of a spinner is quite galling!! Sorry SP thats a fact not a negative jibe.
Well, SP has at least succeeded in putting the mockers on Brown, of Lancs, and they are now five down before they've got to 200.
Unless it changes very quickly, our lack of ambition in attack, will find us out again. Not sure who chose the bowlers for tobay? BR and Andy persumably. With another spinner today, it might have been no better, BUT we will never know.
It all sounds, bowling wise rather similar to how it looked against Sussex in their second innings.. that is, rather impotent.
We should hope that this is one of those Taunton tracks that just gets flatter and flatter because the Yorks attack looks pretty good to me with Sidebottom, Shahzad and Rashid.
We should hope that this is one of those Taunton tracks that just gets flatter and flatter because the Yorks attack looks pretty good to me with Sidebottom, Shahzad and Rashid.
jeez...........they have scored 150 in this session with only 1 out. In only about 34 overs too.
One day stuff!!! Are we as bad as it appears? Can anyone tell?
One day stuff!!! Are we as bad as it appears? Can anyone tell?
Ronnie, I fear you misunderstand me (and accept this may be my fault). I don't mind the "we've bowled poorly today - should have picked a spinner"-type comment.
I do not like (but people are entirely within their rights to write) comments like "We haven't taken a wicket in the last half an hour. Therefore we picked the wrong team / they're not trying / we're rubbish again this year / we're gonna get relegated for sure"-type comment.
(Tho' something like "jeez...........they have scored 150 in this session with only 1 out. In only about 34 overs too. One day stuff!!! Are we as bad as it appears?" is closer to the second category than the first!)
I do not like (but people are entirely within their rights to write) comments like "We haven't taken a wicket in the last half an hour. Therefore we picked the wrong team / they're not trying / we're rubbish again this year / we're gonna get relegated for sure"-type comment.
(Tho' something like "jeez...........they have scored 150 in this session with only 1 out. In only about 34 overs too. One day stuff!!! Are we as bad as it appears?" is closer to the second category than the first!)
AG, I'm not sure I "put the mockers" on Brown - he batted on for about two hours after my comment and made 96!
Well, SP, if we've bowled poorly this afternoon - and it certainly has not sounded as though we've bowled particularly well - I'm hoping it's frustration -- trying to experiment too much etc - on a pitch that has flattened out more quickly than we had hoped.
The commentators have been mentioning "frustrated body language," so hopefully that's more about the pitch and the amount of help it is now offering, than anything else.
It did sound as though it jagged around off the pitch a fair bit before lunch.
A high-scoring draw from this match would certainly not be the end of the world and I'm starting to wonder if this is that type of Taunton track...
The commentators have been mentioning "frustrated body language," so hopefully that's more about the pitch and the amount of help it is now offering, than anything else.
It did sound as though it jagged around off the pitch a fair bit before lunch.
A high-scoring draw from this match would certainly not be the end of the world and I'm starting to wonder if this is that type of Taunton track...
I saw this morning's play but couldn't get down after lunch. Seems as though if it carries on at this rate, we could be facing 400+ by the close for very few wickets down. I'm sure that like me, you hope I'm wrong, but memories of the first two matches keep flooding back.
Thats just it SP, no-one shouldn't have to post what they want to just cos you don't like it. I certainly don't and will continue to post what I like probably just to spite you more than anything else now!! It isn't all about you although I think you and others too seem to think it is.
My last post contained at least 2 questions and 2 facts. I personally dont think it is closer to "your" second category but there you go you know much better than me it seems.
My last post contained at least 2 questions and 2 facts. I personally dont think it is closer to "your" second category but there you go you know much better than me it seems.
championship break coming at a good time for us (note positive SP), as we seem to have hit a brick wall in it.
Ronnie: that's totally un-called-for. I've never given any indication that I think "it's all about me", or that others can't post stuff I don't like! And I don't think I know better than you - I've never indicated that at all, of you or anybody else.
I'll say it again: as far as I'm concerned, YOU CAN POST WHAT YOU LIKE!!!
By the same token, I'll say if I don't agree or think you (or anybody else) is over-reacting. That's all - nothing personal. If you post on here out of "spite", well I'm sorry I think that's sad. BUT YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO DO IT WHICH I'M NOT DENYING.
Cripes.
I'll say it again: as far as I'm concerned, YOU CAN POST WHAT YOU LIKE!!!
By the same token, I'll say if I don't agree or think you (or anybody else) is over-reacting. That's all - nothing personal. If you post on here out of "spite", well I'm sorry I think that's sad. BUT YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO DO IT WHICH I'M NOT DENYING.
Cripes.
On the bowling stats alone why are the two tightest bowlers Suppiah and Gregory not bowling more? Question to the skipper I suppose. Unfortunately from being our banker bowler Pete seems to become the fall guy today.
Chill guys !
It will soon be the close season .....
Well at least 'hit & giggle'.
Grizzzly
It will soon be the close season .....
Well at least 'hit & giggle'.
Grizzzly
Desperate for wickets now - even forgetting the score - as we need them to avoid leaving bowling points on the table.
thats not the way you come across SP, But this is probably like texting in that it is sometimes difficult to gauge exactly what someone means.
I like to comment on the cricket good and bad as I said before and will continue to do so.
And you don't need to shout either I hear you loud and clear!!
I like to comment on the cricket good and bad as I said before and will continue to do so.
And you don't need to shout either I hear you loud and clear!!
Quote:SheptonPaul
I do not like (but people are entirely within their rights to write) comments like "We haven't taken a wicket in the last half an hour. Therefore we picked the wrong team / they're not trying / we're rubbish again this year / we're gonna get relegated for sure"-type comment.
People are most certainly within their rights to post comments like that SheptonPaul, and many such comments would be justified on occasions.
Some people, on the other hand, take the line that everything that is done (both on and off the field) in the name of Somerset CCC is wonderful, and the players can seemingly certainly do no wrong in their eyes - in whatever way they happen to be monitoring Somerset's progress.
I don't view the game through rose - coloured spectacles. I call it as I see it, and I hope that Ronnie and other like - minded folk continue to do likewise.
Not only have I paid a membership fee to the club for well over 50 years, but I attend games fairly regularly and I have seen, many times before, performances such as we have witnessed in the CC this season. We have not won the County Championship since we were first admitted into it in 1891, when there were only 9 First Class Counties, and we won't win it this year with of course 18 Counties.
We are simply not up to it.
Why? Thereby hangs another question.
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Been amusing myself reading the yorkshire forum where they are generally more cheerful than lunchtime and thinking maybe set us 800 to chase o tne final day.
Bizarre fact (as nicked from an observant Yorkshire forum poster) - the two umpires, together, are a fielding position (think about it . . . !)
Joe Sayers impressed by how Willo worked out Bairstow.
And still the new ball to come.
Bizarre fact (as nicked from an observant Yorkshire forum poster) - the two umpires, together, are a fielding position (think about it . . . !)
Joe Sayers impressed by how Willo worked out Bairstow.
And still the new ball to come.
Clarence - you were addressing the wrong person in your post of 16.46.
My suggestion about the overall debate that was going on (this is not a response to your post, Clarence) would be that folks give their opinions on the cricket and that other folks then debate the substance of those opinions, rather than moaning about the tenor of those opinions.
For example when Clarence says "We're not going to do it this year," perhaps any folks that violently disagree would like to make out a case as to why they think we WILL do it this year, rather than just complaining about a "negative," post.
But I'm also all for free speech and folks are entirely free to say whatever they wish.
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My suggestion about the overall debate that was going on (this is not a response to your post, Clarence) would be that folks give their opinions on the cricket and that other folks then debate the substance of those opinions, rather than moaning about the tenor of those opinions.
For example when Clarence says "We're not going to do it this year," perhaps any folks that violently disagree would like to make out a case as to why they think we WILL do it this year, rather than just complaining about a "negative," post.
But I'm also all for free speech and folks are entirely free to say whatever they wish.
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well done Bagpuss your wicket I think!!
CP, without us the self proclaimed non moaners would have nothing to moan about!!
To put things right you have to identify what is wrong first, it just doesn't happen. I happen to think thats a better way of the way I look (and probably yourself) look at it.
Cricket is a funny game though and can change very quickly!!!
CP, without us the self proclaimed non moaners would have nothing to moan about!!
To put things right you have to identify what is wrong first, it just doesn't happen. I happen to think thats a better way of the way I look (and probably yourself) look at it.
Cricket is a funny game though and can change very quickly!!!
I think CP's 16.46 post shpuld be hung in the SCCC dressing room.
Hopefully it would provide the motivation to show us all that we are good enough.
I tend to the view that we are more than capable of it, but only if we put performances together with the degree of consistency that we are presently struggling to find.
Grizzzly
Hopefully it would provide the motivation to show us all that we are good enough.
I tend to the view that we are more than capable of it, but only if we put performances together with the degree of consistency that we are presently struggling to find.
Grizzzly
rashid - second season syndrome
(all in lower case - sorry to shout earlier)
(all in lower case - sorry to shout earlier)
"CP, without us the self proclaimed non moaners would have nothing to moan about!!"
Oh no - we'd have to moan about the team then...or Mr Rose...or the club
Oh no - we'd have to moan about the team then...or Mr Rose...or the club
Grizzly.. I think that's the beauty of Div One nowadays.
With the possible exception of last year when Notts rather collapsed down the stretch (and we were not quite able to overtake them because we did not win until game six!) it is generally the case that a team has to play consistently very well over the course of a season to win CC1. Certainly, I think that's what Durham had done over the past couple of seasons.
At the moment, as you say, not sure that we're quite there in terms of the consistency, though we remain below full strength, of course.
With the possible exception of last year when Notts rather collapsed down the stretch (and we were not quite able to overtake them because we did not win until game six!) it is generally the case that a team has to play consistently very well over the course of a season to win CC1. Certainly, I think that's what Durham had done over the past couple of seasons.
At the moment, as you say, not sure that we're quite there in terms of the consistency, though we remain below full strength, of course.
can you expect to win the CC with only your best team for half a season though? maybe it is a sign of the times that you do?
Well, we're not the only ones to have suffered depletions of one kind or another. Although I believe we are the only team to have lost TWO guys to the IPL?
However, some other teams - notably Hants and Durham have been suffering with a quite a few injuries.
However, some other teams - notably Hants and Durham have been suffering with a quite a few injuries.
It's a funny old game, isn't it, Grockle?
Would you say that there has been any discernible change in ambient conditions at all?
Perhaps it's mainly the age of the ball .. for some reason it's not swung until it's really quite old?
In which case should we leave the new ball for some while?
Would you say that there has been any discernible change in ambient conditions at all?
Perhaps it's mainly the age of the ball .. for some reason it's not swung until it's really quite old?
In which case should we leave the new ball for some while?
Listening to the commentary and just heard in the background Sidebottom announced as the next batter followed by Tractor's WHOOOO???? Lol!
To win the Championship, we will surely have to exhibit consistency, such as that we produce in the CB40 & which overcomes the same injury/absence/weather issues that affect every other team.
At the moment,in the Championshiop, we appear to be exhibiting collective "Lathwellesque" (sorry !) tendencies, i.e. you never know which SCCC will turn up.
When we're good, we're very very good etc......
Grizzzly
At the moment,in the Championshiop, we appear to be exhibiting collective "Lathwellesque" (sorry !) tendencies, i.e. you never know which SCCC will turn up.
When we're good, we're very very good etc......
Grizzzly
That's one way of looking at it.
Another way might be to think that we are currently a fairly middling CC team ..... and we got hammered by teams that have (thus far) wound up towards the top - Lancs and Warks, and we beat the low-confidence teams at the bottom, Hants and Worcs, that have not won a game.... results that are consistent with a middling team.
Although that's a middling team without the two IPL guys....
Another way might be to think that we are currently a fairly middling CC team ..... and we got hammered by teams that have (thus far) wound up towards the top - Lancs and Warks, and we beat the low-confidence teams at the bottom, Hants and Worcs, that have not won a game.... results that are consistent with a middling team.
Although that's a middling team without the two IPL guys....
Would like to say an inspired move by the skipper to throw the ball to Willo with only 8 overs to go to the new ball - the more obvious move would have been to leave him grazing on the Gimlett boundary until the 81st over.
Surely the new ball should now be left in the pavillion, or umpires pocket or wherever it is being kept?
Absolutely AG - these things are expensive and we are doing rather nicely with this one!!
I posted as below at 1500.
" [i]If bowling on day 1 my rough and ready rule of thumb is 100 for 3 at lunch;240 for 6 at tea and 330 all out at close. These are my markers for assessment.
If we are batting then I go 110 for 3 at lunch 260 for 5 at tea and 365 for 8 at close.
No scientific basis but a marker for judgement."[/i
]On that basis I wasn't far out at lunch but went a bit downhill after that. I would still hope for several maidens and then 2 wickets so that we have no time to bat.
" [i]If bowling on day 1 my rough and ready rule of thumb is 100 for 3 at lunch;240 for 6 at tea and 330 all out at close. These are my markers for assessment.
If we are batting then I go 110 for 3 at lunch 260 for 5 at tea and 365 for 8 at close.
No scientific basis but a marker for judgement."[/i
]On that basis I wasn't far out at lunch but went a bit downhill after that. I would still hope for several maidens and then 2 wickets so that we have no time to bat.
Thought I should point out that this Hannon-Dalby chap has a batting average half of that of Willo!
did he not last 30 odd overs the other day V Lancs or am I thinking of someone else?
Batting average says nothing about balls faced. A 30 ball 0
could be quite useful at times.
could be quite useful at times.
Not quite. It seems though that he lasted 14 overs with Patterson - with an entertaining partnership of, er, 7 (seven).
..and that's the end of the day. Strong day tomorrow with the Bat required.
Out first ball in first innings (though it was lbw so can assume he was somewhere near the stumps!) lasted 43 balls in the second innings for 6*.
But - only bowled 13 out of 115 overs and was wicketless in Lancashire's first innings, and deemed unlikely enough to get a wicket or slow the scoring rate to get a bowl at all in the second innings.
Perhaps they should have played the extra batsman?
But - only bowled 13 out of 115 overs and was wicketless in Lancashire's first innings, and deemed unlikely enough to get a wicket or slow the scoring rate to get a bowl at all in the second innings.
Perhaps they should have played the extra batsman?
4 overs - got past number 1. Pulled this one back quite well and I can't for the life of me tell you why the ball suddenly decided to be difficult after the 76th over.
The same three men were suddenly in the Yorkies faces after looking innocuous for 37 overs!
The same three men were suddenly in the Yorkies faces after looking innocuous for 37 overs!
Sorry, have spent the afternoon traveling from Somerset to Yorkshire (couldn't make it up) - when I set off we were 138/4 and I put push notifications on my iphone ECB app expecting many happy buzzes as I drove up the country. It wasn't still I was passing over Sheffield that it finally went off. Somewhat frustrating afternoon! Shall see how they report the game on the news in a bit up t'here
bit like the Hants first innings at Southampton then Grockle?
Good to see we didn't give up though.
Good to see we didn't give up though.
Well if the side did they'd still be something for 4...good job they take no notice of us I suppose :-)
Could just be two well set batsmen with one going like a train ? Sometimes you just have to get through the storm and see what's on the other side sometimes ?
Only three for Charl.....if he doesn't get a century then I hope he's sacked before the month of May is out.
A few observations from me.
1. Day One/Innings one is almost always too soon to make a definitive judgement of the quality of a performance or the value of a total. We'll know far more about how good (or otherwise) today has been by this time tomorrow.
BUT
2. I think that many of us, had we been offered 358 all out after Yorks won the toss and chose to bat, would have taken it. At 70-odd for three we would have hoped for more, but perhaps the truth is that at that point we had over-performed.
AND
3. I have certainly never said that "everything that is done (both on and off the field) in the name of Somerset CCC is wonderful", and it is certainly not true that "the players can seemingly certainly do no wrong in my eyes". I have been critical of any number of management decisions over the years (the signing of Bryant, the release of Matt Wood, etc etc.), and am more than happy to say that any given performance is not good enough. What I won't say during an ongoing campaign is that any given player isn't fundamentally good enough. And what I will not accept, at any time, is that anything "done (both on and off the field) in the name of Somerset CCC" is done in anything other than good faith, and with the (believed) best interests of SCCC at heart, or that any of the players are not giving of the best that they are capable of at any given time. If I genuinely believed that anyone were simply not trying, or that anyone were actively working against the interests of the club, then there would be no point (for me at least) in continuing to support the Club.
I'm not quoting CP in order to suggest that he is directly suggesting such things, but there often seems to be an under-current from a number of posters which intimates this.
I have no problem with negative comments per se, (although when a failure to take a wicket after ten overs illicits "really need a breakthrough" type comments, I do feel that they are somewhat over-reactive) but I do have a problem with what I interpret as attacks on players' or officials' motivations or character.
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1. Day One/Innings one is almost always too soon to make a definitive judgement of the quality of a performance or the value of a total. We'll know far more about how good (or otherwise) today has been by this time tomorrow.
BUT
2. I think that many of us, had we been offered 358 all out after Yorks won the toss and chose to bat, would have taken it. At 70-odd for three we would have hoped for more, but perhaps the truth is that at that point we had over-performed.
AND
3. I have certainly never said that "everything that is done (both on and off the field) in the name of Somerset CCC is wonderful", and it is certainly not true that "the players can seemingly certainly do no wrong in my eyes". I have been critical of any number of management decisions over the years (the signing of Bryant, the release of Matt Wood, etc etc.), and am more than happy to say that any given performance is not good enough. What I won't say during an ongoing campaign is that any given player isn't fundamentally good enough. And what I will not accept, at any time, is that anything "done (both on and off the field) in the name of Somerset CCC" is done in anything other than good faith, and with the (believed) best interests of SCCC at heart, or that any of the players are not giving of the best that they are capable of at any given time. If I genuinely believed that anyone were simply not trying, or that anyone were actively working against the interests of the club, then there would be no point (for me at least) in continuing to support the Club.
I'm not quoting CP in order to suggest that he is directly suggesting such things, but there often seems to be an under-current from a number of posters which intimates this.
I have no problem with negative comments per se, (although when a failure to take a wicket after ten overs illicits "really need a breakthrough" type comments, I do feel that they are somewhat over-reactive) but I do have a problem with what I interpret as attacks on players' or officials' motivations or character.
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Cant understand why Yorks didn't declare at 350 for 9 and have 8 or 9 overs at us. Are they scared of the past???
If only they had a number 11 that didn't hang around and waste valuable time ;-)
A pretty good day, I'd say - from 280-odd for 4 to 350-odd all out (largely with the old ball from what I read on here) is excellent work by all concerned. 350 from the opposition at Taunton over the last decade would, I think, have been seen as good from a Somerset point of view, so I'm content...and also with no wickets down at close.
I am interested (tho not in an overly-anorak way) in our general lack of wickets taken in the first 10-15 overs of most innings (home and away?), with wickets tending to come later (often by the same bowlers who opened the bowling. Were Mr FE so inclined (and I quite understand why he wouldn't be), a graph plotting wickets taken in each ten-over period of our oppositions' innings would be most illuminating.
I'll be following on my mobile from work meetings all day tomorrow, so ronnie and I should be able to avoid falling out with each other but as long as we pass 360 with plenty of wickets in hand, I don't suppose either of us will feel our day totally wasted.
I am interested (tho not in an overly-anorak way) in our general lack of wickets taken in the first 10-15 overs of most innings (home and away?), with wickets tending to come later (often by the same bowlers who opened the bowling. Were Mr FE so inclined (and I quite understand why he wouldn't be), a graph plotting wickets taken in each ten-over period of our oppositions' innings would be most illuminating.
I'll be following on my mobile from work meetings all day tomorrow, so ronnie and I should be able to avoid falling out with each other
but as long as we pass 360 with plenty of wickets in hand, I don't suppose either of us will feel our day totally wasted.
As you will have noticed I tend to take the longer view which quite often avoids capricious ups and downs I wonder what our reaction would have been if it had been Somerset who had gone from 305 for 4 to 358 for 10?
We have done as well as any fielding side today.
We have done as well as any fielding side today.
I will take bowling a side out on the first day at Taunton. (although I agree with FE that we will know more about the overall merits of this at COP tomorrow)
I guess I am one of the more optimistic supporters and generally look at our good points, because having been a supporter for the best part of three decades, I can honestly say that the future looks rosey. (pardon the pun)
With our returning players joining a talented bunch of established stars and a crop of young players that every county in the land will be envious of, these are good times.
With the rare exception of 2001,fleeting glimpses of promise in the early 90's and the odd semi-final here and there, I remember too many barren years and seasons were we were expected to finish bottom and be uncompetitive. This cannot be levelled at us since 2007 and despite a shaky start to the Championship, I still feel we are in with a shout.
I guess I am one of the more optimistic supporters and generally look at our good points, because having been a supporter for the best part of three decades, I can honestly say that the future looks rosey. (pardon the pun)
With our returning players joining a talented bunch of established stars and a crop of young players that every county in the land will be envious of, these are good times.
With the rare exception of 2001,fleeting glimpses of promise in the early 90's and the odd semi-final here and there, I remember too many barren years and seasons were we were expected to finish bottom and be uncompetitive. This cannot be levelled at us since 2007 and despite a shaky start to the Championship, I still feel we are in with a shout.
Well I'd say a good day in the end after losing the toss, and after listening to most of the days play, I finally went out for a run at 300-4 come home we are 7-0 and they we all out for 358, perhaps I should just go out for a run all day tomorrow
Come on Somerset
Wurz
Come on Somerset
Wurz
Good for you, Norwich and geordie, optimists of the world unite. WaresWurzel, do you think your runs bring good news for Somerset, or wickets for whoever's bowling? If the latter, I hope you don't have to resume your marathon training till at least Thursday tea-time. (Sorry, BJ, I know that's a bit pessimistic for you!)
Well after the first innings may be the time to judge our performance today although conditions may, of course, change tomorrow. For example if the ball swings around corners tomorrow and we get bundled out for 150 that would mean we would be in a bad position in the match but would not necessarily mean that we'd bowled badly today.
Equally if pitch is as flat as a pancake tomorrow and we total 500 in our first innings that does not automatically mean we bowled well today.
I'm going to have a look see what Rose/Hurry have officially said about today..
Equally if pitch is as flat as a pancake tomorrow and we total 500 in our first innings that does not automatically mean we bowled well today.
I'm going to have a look see what Rose/Hurry have officially said about today..
Well SP I was thinking good news for Somerset, but now you have me thinking it could be the wickets which would mean I dont have to run all day tomorrow 
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I dont know if its just a cricket thing but I do find myself being a bit superstitious with these things....I even have Mrs WaresWurzel wearing the same cricket shirt every time we play in one day cricket this season (washed of course) as we have not lost while she has worn it.....
Wurz
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I dont know if its just a cricket thing but I do find myself being a bit superstitious with these things....I even have Mrs WaresWurzel wearing the same cricket shirt every time we play in one day cricket this season (washed of course) as we have not lost while she has worn it.....
Wurz
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I couldn't agree more my exiled friend from Frome, it would appear that some supporters of this fine county of ours have ulterior motives......not saying there are any on here of course, but I am aware that some campers use the freedom the interweb allows to start their crusades against certain individuals.
Super injunctions, that's what we need.
Buxom Welsh Z list celebrities and super injunctions.
That'll sort the men from the wheat.
Super injunctions, that's what we need.
Buxom Welsh Z list celebrities and super injunctions.
That'll sort the men from the wheat.
Nothing from club officials so we'll have to go with Steve Kirby who says he thinks they have a par score on a good cricket wicket with something in it for bat and ball.
He's also tempted fate by opining that 'We have a stronger batting line-up than Yorks.'
Kirby also notes that we've not been getting enough out of the ball early in innings this season, as many of us had noted.
He's also tempted fate by opining that 'We have a stronger batting line-up than Yorks.'
Kirby also notes that we've not been getting enough out of the ball early in innings this season, as many of us had noted.
It's levels you devils in my opinion, though I have to hold my hand up and say, isn't the Bairstow boy a gem?
I'd love to see him go right to the top, what a talent.
I'd love to see him go right to the top, what a talent.
well hark at this SP........I agree totally with your last post. The world really does move in strange ways.
We are supposed to support the same team after all!!!
We are supposed to support the same team after all!!!
In the interests of balance I also went to have a look at the Yorkshire site. No comment, as yet, from any of their officials as to what kind of total they feel they have.
There is a long, rather strange, report on their official site. It goes into considerable detail about the first part of the day and then merely summarises the second part of the day. I assume that's because they have not yet had time to put up the more detailed version of the second half.
Anyway, the comments on that site about our bowling were;
"Lyth feasted on some over-pitched bowling early on."
and
"Hussain caused considerable problems by moving the ball both ways."
There is a long, rather strange, report on their official site. It goes into considerable detail about the first part of the day and then merely summarises the second part of the day. I assume that's because they have not yet had time to put up the more detailed version of the second half.
Anyway, the comments on that site about our bowling were;
"Lyth feasted on some over-pitched bowling early on."
and
"Hussain caused considerable problems by moving the ball both ways."
I haven’t read any of the post apart from this page.
My views are the first morning session went slightly to Somerset with three wickets, afternoon went Yorkshire’s way, after tea definitely went to Somerset.
At the end of the day I am happier with Somerset’s position.
Photos sometime later.
My views are the first morning session went slightly to Somerset with three wickets, afternoon went Yorkshire’s way, after tea definitely went to Somerset.
At the end of the day I am happier with Somerset’s position.
Photos sometime later.
Surprised nobody has commented so far on the Curate`s Egg nature of Bairstow`s innings.
There were 10 boundaries in his first 50 runs, but it would be no exaggeration to describe at least six of them as streaky, on another day bringing a rapid return to the pavilion.
Yet his next 15 fours, taking him up to 136, were impressive in the extreme, especially through the covers, with not a single dodgy effort among them. He seemed to have a particular liking for Trigger`s rather mixed grill bowling.
There were 10 boundaries in his first 50 runs, but it would be no exaggeration to describe at least six of them as streaky, on another day bringing a rapid return to the pavilion.
Yet his next 15 fours, taking him up to 136, were impressive in the extreme, especially through the covers, with not a single dodgy effort among them. He seemed to have a particular liking for Trigger`s rather mixed grill bowling.
Well, it appears to have been a very watchable at Taunton today and full credit must go, again, to Brian Rose and the ground staff for producing another good wicket for cricket.
Honours even I would guess. Tremendous fightback from the lads and let's hope we knuckle down well tomorrow.
Last season we chased 400 odd in the same fixture and ended up with 377.
I would take the same again!
Honours even I would guess. Tremendous fightback from the lads and let's hope we knuckle down well tomorrow.
Last season we chased 400 odd in the same fixture and ended up with 377.
I would take the same again!
I had an enjoyable day at Taunton today. Highlights for me (apart from catching up with some co-contributors) were Hussain's bowling, particularly in the morning when he beat the bat on a number of occasions; Kirby's whole-hearted - and effective - bowling; Willo getting the ball to reverse after tea, which precipitated a rush of wickets; neat wicket-keeping by Buttler (I recall him fumbling only one ball throughout the day - and he held five catches); a great catch by Hildreth at first slip; and a fine innings by Bairstow - I agree with BJ' comments about him.
Incidentally, when walking through Taunton, it did strike me as rather remarkable that this small provincial town is home to one of the very best teams in the country.
Incidentally, when walking through Taunton, it did strike me as rather remarkable that this small provincial town is home to one of the very best teams in the country.
Interesting day.
Great comeback from 300-4.
First half hour after lunch we were tad unlucky but after that i thought our bowling was pretty ordinary.
I'm a fan of Trego but worst i've seen him bowl i think, Bairstow seemed to hit him every other ball.
But Charl's spell after tea asked big questions and we polished them off really really well then.
Big big batting day tomorrow, so much potential with Gregory at 8, who we're told is going to be our future number 4 batter. If they can all dig in and contribute we could put ourselves in a great position...
Great comeback from 300-4.
First half hour after lunch we were tad unlucky but after that i thought our bowling was pretty ordinary.
I'm a fan of Trego but worst i've seen him bowl i think, Bairstow seemed to hit him every other ball.
But Charl's spell after tea asked big questions and we polished them off really really well then.
Big big batting day tomorrow, so much potential with Gregory at 8, who we're told is going to be our future number 4 batter. If they can all dig in and contribute we could put ourselves in a great position...
A few impressions from today as I watched the debate unfold and the cricket that created it.
Some posters came looking for a forum fight today and yesterday it seems.
"Grockles" puts forward no excuse for being a Somerset supporter's site and has no reason to attempt to justify it's general postive view of the cricket the county plays. I'm slightly dumfounded that some people are surprised that this would be a prevalent attitude here.
Negativity is not censored here however as the minority aspect of the site's traffic it may find it has a case to answer from other posters that it would not have to answer if the comments were posted on. for example a Gloucestershire site (if there was one).
Those that feel that this is sometimes unfair have every right to post that opinion or go somewhere that they feel deals with their paticular views in a way more to their tastes. There is no need to ask for refunds, or work out any kind of notice or cancel subscriptions. There is no pressure to post here and there is a whole list of alternative fora being advertised presently on the soon to be defunct 606. As you are most welcome here, I'm sure you would be most welcome there.
Sometimes debate here generates heat and it is for the people involved to deal with that. It may mean walking away sometimes but once the insults start to fly the debate is over and the person who starts the move down that route is the loser and is usually accepted as such by the reading public.
However the place wouldn't be what it is without some friction and we should celebrate the fact that we don't all walk the same path though we may want the same result (at least the majority of us seem to).
Vive la difference etc etc :p)
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Some posters came looking for a forum fight today and yesterday it seems.
"Grockles" puts forward no excuse for being a Somerset supporter's site and has no reason to attempt to justify it's general postive view of the cricket the county plays. I'm slightly dumfounded that some people are surprised that this would be a prevalent attitude here.
Negativity is not censored here however as the minority aspect of the site's traffic it may find it has a case to answer from other posters that it would not have to answer if the comments were posted on. for example a Gloucestershire site (if there was one).
Those that feel that this is sometimes unfair have every right to post that opinion or go somewhere that they feel deals with their paticular views in a way more to their tastes. There is no need to ask for refunds, or work out any kind of notice or cancel subscriptions. There is no pressure to post here and there is a whole list of alternative fora being advertised presently on the soon to be defunct 606. As you are most welcome here, I'm sure you would be most welcome there.
Sometimes debate here generates heat and it is for the people involved to deal with that. It may mean walking away sometimes but once the insults start to fly the debate is over and the person who starts the move down that route is the loser and is usually accepted as such by the reading public.
However the place wouldn't be what it is without some friction and we should celebrate the fact that we don't all walk the same path though we may want the same result (at least the majority of us seem to).
Vive la difference etc etc :p)
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Sorry for the delay trouble with 'imageshack' it seems to have sorted it self out now.
1st day’s photos.
It looks like Yorkshire also have a number eleven batsman in O Hannon-Dalby who doesn’t like being hit by the ball, I can’t say I blame him.
J Bairstow was lucky when he had an inside edge off Steve Kirby the ball passed between pads and stumps.
G Ballance caught Jos Buttler bowl Charl Willoughby.
The question we all like to know why the ball suddenly starts to act differently, just before the new ball was due about the 76th over Steve Kirby beat the bat of G Balance like this three times in one over, the new was not taken until the 83rd over because of it.
G Balance living up to his name (Well off Balance) when G Hussain hit him on the back boot unfortunately outside leg stump.
Pete Trego did get hit for a few runs today but I thought it was more to do with the pace of the pitch than Pete’s bowling, he was too good for A McGrath who got an inside edge and was caught behind by Jos Buttler.
The link to my Photos on Photobucket - [s1152.photobucket.com]
1st day’s photos.
It looks like Yorkshire also have a number eleven batsman in O Hannon-Dalby who doesn’t like being hit by the ball, I can’t say I blame him.
J Bairstow was lucky when he had an inside edge off Steve Kirby the ball passed between pads and stumps.
G Ballance caught Jos Buttler bowl Charl Willoughby.
The question we all like to know why the ball suddenly starts to act differently, just before the new ball was due about the 76th over Steve Kirby beat the bat of G Balance like this three times in one over, the new was not taken until the 83rd over because of it.
G Balance living up to his name (Well off Balance) when G Hussain hit him on the back boot unfortunately outside leg stump.
Pete Trego did get hit for a few runs today but I thought it was more to do with the pace of the pitch than Pete’s bowling, he was too good for A McGrath who got an inside edge and was caught behind by Jos Buttler.
The link to my Photos on Photobucket - [s1152.photobucket.com]
Yes, well said Grockle. I'm sure I've never come on here looking for a fight and indeed have never had one until the last few days. Maybe 400 for very few will make tomorrow a better day.
Mike... Do your comments Re: Pete's bowling indicate that you felt this pitch is painfully slow?
The pair that were on before Grockle kept talking about 'several signs of a slow pitch,' such as leading edges.
Personally I hope it's not really slow as I think our batsmen are seldom at their best on such surfaces.
Thanks as always for your excellent work.
The pair that were on before Grockle kept talking about 'several signs of a slow pitch,' such as leading edges.
Personally I hope it's not really slow as I think our batsmen are seldom at their best on such surfaces.
Thanks as always for your excellent work.
I didn't think the pitch was slow - there was good carry for the quicker bowlers, albeit that a couple of edges fell just short of the slips. I think that there were a few occasions when PT (who I think is at his best when given licence to bowl an attacking line and length) pitched the ball up looking for swing - but when (as was the case for much of the day) there was little or no swing, these balls became straight half-volleys.
This is where this forum comes into it’s own with different opinions, if anything I would say the pitch was variable.
I was sitting with Jos Buttlers father up until tea time and he pointed out in the first few overs that Jos was taking the ball down by his ankles, where I would agree with ‘Wickham’ other times during the day it did carry through quite high to the wicketkeeper.
I was sitting with Jos Buttlers father up until tea time and he pointed out in the first few overs that Jos was taking the ball down by his ankles, where I would agree with ‘Wickham’ other times during the day it did carry through quite high to the wicketkeeper.
It was't me talking about the pitch being slow AG.
Bounce was variable even with the new ball but some dlieveries fair fizzed through - especially one from WIlloughby that hit the bottom of Ballance's (I think) bat and didn't bounce at all as it shot through Jos to the Botham boundary
Bounce was variable even with the new ball but some dlieveries fair fizzed through - especially one from WIlloughby that hit the bottom of Ballance's (I think) bat and didn't bounce at all as it shot through Jos to the Botham boundary
Joss's father must have been proud of him yesterday. An almost perfect day for the lad - all he wants now is for Joss to confirm him tremendous potential with a good knock today!
Grockle - I know you weren't - it was the folks that were on before you.
The variable bit sounds a little worrying UNLESS - as at Hove - any variability becomes less, rather than more marked, as the match progresses.
Thanks to all for their thoughts on pace of pitch.
The variable bit sounds a little worrying UNLESS - as at Hove - any variability becomes less, rather than more marked, as the match progresses.
Thanks to all for their thoughts on pace of pitch.
Well I hope it had more to do with the condition of the 70 odd over old ball than anything else. It literally changed in the space of 12 balls.
There was one that shot through with the new one but the old sod suddenly became almost impossible to guage in any meaningful way.
There was one that shot through with the new one but the old sod suddenly became almost impossible to guage in any meaningful way.
On the so-called glass half-full vs half-empty debate.
One thing I’ve noticed from the self-proclaimed glass half-full brigade is that those of us who are deemed “negative,” are not infrequently told (and I paraphrase here) “Just think yourselves lucky it’s not as it was quite recently (a reference, I think, to 2005 and 2006 in particular,) and some of the older members sometimes tell us “you wouldn’t have survived the 50s.”
This, to me, indicates something of a paradox where the so-called glass half-empty brigade sometimes actually have higher expectations (and are therefore, perhaps, more easily displeased) than the glass half-full crowd.
They say that death and taxes are the only certainties in life. I think, to this list of certainties, we can add this;
When the players came off the field after a double-dose of daft batting against Warks in game one of this season, Brian Rose did not greet them with a talk along the lines of “Never mind lads, in 2005, this would have counted as a good performance,” or “fans were used to this in the 1950s, so nevermind.”
Indeed, if Brian had taken over and surveyed SCCC’s Championship history and taken that history as a guide as to what we should expect and be happy with, I would venture to suggest that he would probably have focused on one-day cricket (as John Bracewell once did up the road) and that we would still be playing some urine poor stuff in Div Two of the CC.
I’m sure we’re all very, very grateful that Brian did not take that tack.
The point is that we have set very high standards for ourselves last season.. and pretty darn good ones for a couple of seasons before that. And it’s inevitable that a certain amount of expectation will, thus, be generated.
One thing I’ve noticed from the self-proclaimed glass half-full brigade is that those of us who are deemed “negative,” are not infrequently told (and I paraphrase here) “Just think yourselves lucky it’s not as it was quite recently (a reference, I think, to 2005 and 2006 in particular,) and some of the older members sometimes tell us “you wouldn’t have survived the 50s.”
This, to me, indicates something of a paradox where the so-called glass half-empty brigade sometimes actually have higher expectations (and are therefore, perhaps, more easily displeased) than the glass half-full crowd.
They say that death and taxes are the only certainties in life. I think, to this list of certainties, we can add this;
When the players came off the field after a double-dose of daft batting against Warks in game one of this season, Brian Rose did not greet them with a talk along the lines of “Never mind lads, in 2005, this would have counted as a good performance,” or “fans were used to this in the 1950s, so nevermind.”
Indeed, if Brian had taken over and surveyed SCCC’s Championship history and taken that history as a guide as to what we should expect and be happy with, I would venture to suggest that he would probably have focused on one-day cricket (as John Bracewell once did up the road) and that we would still be playing some urine poor stuff in Div Two of the CC.
I’m sure we’re all very, very grateful that Brian did not take that tack.
The point is that we have set very high standards for ourselves last season.. and pretty darn good ones for a couple of seasons before that. And it’s inevitable that a certain amount of expectation will, thus, be generated.
My issue here is the patronising tone used by many on the board which is just arrogance in the extreme. They all make out themselves as half fullers..I have a different view of that.
I myself am quite willing to take on board any comment made by anyone and anyone who says different doesn't know me.
I also don't see what is wrong with the comments like " we need a wicket here, or hope Jos can stay in" or whatever it is. Its different peoples way of dealing with the day unfolding. We can all accommodate each other Im sure and theres a place for all types of comment here, which I think needs to be accepted.
I myself am quite willing to take on board any comment made by anyone and anyone who says different doesn't know me.
I also don't see what is wrong with the comments like " we need a wicket here, or hope Jos can stay in" or whatever it is. Its different peoples way of dealing with the day unfolding. We can all accommodate each other Im sure and theres a place for all types of comment here, which I think needs to be accepted.
Not sure which camp I'm in, but I do miss the Blackacre farm jingles. And I am enjoying this season enormously.
Leading on from Grockles statement for which I agree wholeheartedly....I live in Edinburgh and apart from one working visit to Taunton and a quick "unofficial" look around the ground have never seen Somerset play (in the flesh so to speak). I'm appreciative of all your views and opinions as it gives me a better insight and also makes me feel part of the team that I have adopted and supported for a number of years now. I'll apologize if some of my posts seem strange, however they are given with the best intention and not meant to be derogatory or detrimental.They are given to stimulate reaction and create conversation from those in the know and who care. If the county were to win the championship I would hope to make the long trip South to join in any celebration as you would
you and me both Scotsman. Im from the West but I have similar logistic issues as your goodself. I do go twice a year though.
On todays cricket, I type this at 1209 or so. Yorks have only bowled arounf 14 overs. That seems inordinately slow or is Cricinfo just behind?
On todays cricket, I type this at 1209 or so. Yorks have only bowled arounf 14 overs. That seems inordinately slow or is Cricinfo just behind?
And there is cricket going n as well!! The fun never stops in the sumer does it?
Marcus and Arul having a pretty stormy time but showing that Somerser backbone and getting the job done this morning against aggressive and pretty effective bowling from Sidebottom, Patterson and Shazhad. 56 runs in first hour off 16 or so overs this morning.
Marcus and Arul having a pretty stormy time but showing that Somerser backbone and getting the job done this morning against aggressive and pretty effective bowling from Sidebottom, Patterson and Shazhad. 56 runs in first hour off 16 or so overs this morning.
Thanks for this most recent post, Grockle.
Arul also had a stormy time to negotiate, particularly against Amjad Khan, at Hove... and he showed tremendous resolve down there, as did Alex Barrow, later in the piece.
This is the beauty of Div One... other than when tracks go hopelessly flat, there are very seldom any easy runs about, because there are many good, aggressive bowling units. I love CC1 cricket.
Arul also had a stormy time to negotiate, particularly against Amjad Khan, at Hove... and he showed tremendous resolve down there, as did Alex Barrow, later in the piece.
This is the beauty of Div One... other than when tracks go hopelessly flat, there are very seldom any easy runs about, because there are many good, aggressive bowling units. I love CC1 cricket.
If we don't up the pace soon then this is Yorkshire's sessio by a wide margin.
By the way we're batting you would think it was a four day game.
By the way we're batting you would think it was a four day game.
To Mr Scotsman. The boys have played at The Grange at least twice, where were you ? ;-)
Mind you, the defeat in the rain wasn't so pretty!
Mind you, the defeat in the rain wasn't so pretty!
To edinburghbil - Yes, I was at the Grange a couple of years ago to see Tres score 100+ in next to no time. Cox was out in the middle playing a supporting role. There were a number of guys up from the South West having, or had had a good time!
Sky TV has been a godsend...I always make a point to watch all Somerset games which my Scottish non cricket supporting mates find strange.
Do you have an Edinburgh / Scottish connection? I assume yes from your signature
Sky TV has been a godsend...I always make a point to watch all Somerset games which my Scottish non cricket supporting mates find strange.
Do you have an Edinburgh / Scottish connection? I assume yes from your signature
100 up in the 30th. Marcus 65 Arul a fighting 29. Rashid on but probably because they are -4 on the over rate.
Marcus has just wiped him over long off for 6!!
How is the commentary today? Volume OK? Have they got out of the cellar yet?
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Marcus has just wiped him over long off for 6!!
How is the commentary today? Volume OK? Have they got out of the cellar yet?
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Somerset's morning another 2 sessions like that and set it up for Jos/Pete to get in and really push it on for us.
COACH
COACH
Grockle - wipe? or whip?
I like wiping, it sounds even more dismissive.
BOF - are you enjoying the increase in bowling from that tatooed one this season? He's made some great breakthroughs, even if they haven't then always gone on to win the games.
I like wiping, it sounds even more dismissive.
BOF - are you enjoying the increase in bowling from that tatooed one this season? He's made some great breakthroughs, even if they haven't then always gone on to win the games.
I've spent about the past three years moaning about the fact that Pete was not bowled more frequently, so I'm very pleased to see that has changed.
Having said that there will be fewer overs for all the seamers once Kartik is back.
Even if he takes no further wickets in this match, Steve Kirby is on pace to take 65+ wickets for the season which would be one of the higher totals ever recorded in Div One. I don't think he will quite get there, but that's because Kartik will be doing a lot of bowling AND (I assume) we will be preparing pitches deliberately to suit Kartik, not pace. But a terrific haul over the first seven games.
Having said that there will be fewer overs for all the seamers once Kartik is back.
Even if he takes no further wickets in this match, Steve Kirby is on pace to take 65+ wickets for the season which would be one of the higher totals ever recorded in Div One. I don't think he will quite get there, but that's because Kartik will be doing a lot of bowling AND (I assume) we will be preparing pitches deliberately to suit Kartik, not pace. But a terrific haul over the first seven games.
I was in the pub at lunch. I was unaware the sky sports show morning highlights from some Div One games on their sports news station.
Anyway - this bloke, Myburgh, of Hants, played what must have been one of the very worst shots (or rather non-shots) of all time.
If I was being charitable, I would say the ball pitched middle and off and hit middle. But, frankly, it may have pitched middle and hit middle. Perhaps he was trying to leave it on height but it was not a short ball and unless this particular Rose Bowl pitch was uncharacteristically bouncy then I cannot see how on earth he thought he could leave it...... it was the kind of thing that would drive one mad if supporting his team!
Anyway - this bloke, Myburgh, of Hants, played what must have been one of the very worst shots (or rather non-shots) of all time.
If I was being charitable, I would say the ball pitched middle and off and hit middle. But, frankly, it may have pitched middle and hit middle. Perhaps he was trying to leave it on height but it was not a short ball and unless this particular Rose Bowl pitch was uncharacteristically bouncy then I cannot see how on earth he thought he could leave it...... it was the kind of thing that would drive one mad if supporting his team!
Also, their reporter based at Edgbaston claimed that IDB had said, overnight, that "my mouth is watering at the prospect of facing this guy, Metters." Metters is a spinner for Warks who had, I think, a successful debut in his first game.
Don't know if IDB really said that but sounds very presumptous if so. They also showed IDB nearly being caught off this bowler. Nevertheless, I assume Warks may have overcompensated for the unfit pitch because IDB and Durham are absolutely screwing them into the ground.
If we play well enough (with our full team) to put ourselves in CC contention in the second half, I still suspect Durham may be our strongest rivals.
Don't know if IDB really said that but sounds very presumptous if so. They also showed IDB nearly being caught off this bowler. Nevertheless, I assume Warks may have overcompensated for the unfit pitch because IDB and Durham are absolutely screwing them into the ground.
If we play well enough (with our full team) to put ourselves in CC contention in the second half, I still suspect Durham may be our strongest rivals.
So we are supposed to "allow" without comment, your right to be negative?
Doesn't that impinge on our right to be positive?
Honestly, this is all giving me such a headache, I think I should probably never have come out of hibernation!
Doesn't that impinge on our right to be positive?
Honestly, this is all giving me such a headache, I think I should probably never have come out of hibernation!
Lancs are currently racking up the points again with Hants 7 down already :-( (is that the right kind of racking?)
Me, I was born in Somerset, but am currently exiled in Edinburgh.
Me, I was born in Somerset, but am currently exiled in Edinburgh.
Not sure if you are addressing me?
If so, what I would say is that I just say what I think based on what I've heard/read/seen as the case may be. Sometimes it will be "positive," and sometimes it will be deemed to be "negative." I don't think any posters have problems with their actual views/opinions being debated.
What I would say (just my personal view) is that it's better to counter the opinion with a so-called "positive," counter-argument, rather than simply moan about a comment being "negative."
If so, what I would say is that I just say what I think based on what I've heard/read/seen as the case may be. Sometimes it will be "positive," and sometimes it will be deemed to be "negative." I don't think any posters have problems with their actual views/opinions being debated.
What I would say (just my personal view) is that it's better to counter the opinion with a so-called "positive," counter-argument, rather than simply moan about a comment being "negative."
Hants have totally folded to Kyle Hogg.
I don't know when they get Imran Tahir back? But it cannot be soon enough for them. Not that he would help much with batting, but at least they would usually be responding to lower totals.
I don't know when they get Imran Tahir back? But it cannot be soon enough for them. Not that he would help much with batting, but at least they would usually be responding to lower totals.
Not listening yet.. could not at beginning of day's play and so not going to tune in until a wicket falls as don't want to hex having got back to find already 80/0.
For those that are listening.... does batting still sound challenging as Grockle intimated it was earlier? Or does it sound easier?
If still chanllenging this looks a remarkably good effort. The Yorks bowlers are not exactly chopped liver, after all!
For those that are listening.... does batting still sound challenging as Grockle intimated it was earlier? Or does it sound easier?
If still chanllenging this looks a remarkably good effort. The Yorks bowlers are not exactly chopped liver, after all!
well played the boss!!! However as Jim said its far too slow, he should be sacked immediately and replaced with Ricky Ponting!!!
Better news still is that the forecast for tomorrow has improved dramatically.. the heavy rain that had been forecast is now supposed to blow though overnight instead.
hopefully it will linger over Southampton and save Hants then. Think thats all that will.
hmm, just logged on to catch up with the score after a couple of hours of work (sadly). perhaps I should log off again ;-)
Rashid 4 (overs) for 36. Is Marcus proving why he doesn't choose a leg-spinner???
Rashid 4 (overs) for 36. Is Marcus proving why he doesn't choose a leg-spinner???
Absolute carnage at the moment.Should be near their score by tea looking at their over rate.
I think we should wholeheartedly congratulate Hants for restricting Lancs to only 3 batting points. 
According to the official Yorks website;
"Sidebottom and Hannon-Dalby each bowled their best spells of the season so far."
"Sidebottom and Hannon-Dalby each bowled their best spells of the season so far."
Disappointing that Rula didnt get his ton. Still innings has surely done his confidence a lot of good!!!
Arul looked, at Hove, as though he was about to post a good score. Hard lines on missing out on ton.
It will be interesting to see what our younger players can do with this kind of platform.
It will be interesting to see what our younger players can do with this kind of platform.
Just got into my hotel and pleased to see the score! When I left Bradford we were going steadily, did we have an hour of carnage or something as the score seemed to rocket after the boss got his ton.
Right I'm going back out on the road.. been in the hotel 20 minutes and two wickets have fallen.
has Hildreth's stock fallen that far this season that Barrow now comes in before him? Interesting to hear the logic behind that?
Barrow did really well at Hove so correct, in my view, to show confidence in him and send him in at the same spot.
Sorry about that last comment.
I also think it is wise to break up the youngsters to stop them having to bat as a block, which could add to pressure ?
I also think it is wise to break up the youngsters to stop them having to bat as a block, which could add to pressure ?
Warks looking set for a colossaal home defeat to Durham. Already 35 for 4, replying to a massive score.
Scoreboard pressure ? One of the Warwick wickets was a run out too :-)
Late to the Laptop this morning !
Well done Marcus & Arul. Bet he (Arul) will feel a lot better for a good score, despite being just short of a ton.
Would love to see us get to 400 by close. Maybe a bit optimistic, but why not ?!
Grizzzly
Well done Marcus & Arul. Bet he (Arul) will feel a lot better for a good score, despite being just short of a ton.
Would love to see us get to 400 by close. Maybe a bit optimistic, but why not ?!
Grizzzly
Best first wicket for Somerset
LCH. PALAIRET AND HT.HEWETT 346 V YORKSHIRE TAUNTON 1892
LCH. PALAIRET AND HT.HEWETT 346 V YORKSHIRE TAUNTON 1892
well, magnificent from the boss, but the rest will need to play well now, I would guess, to give us a really substantial lead.
thats a few low ones ina row for Trigger. Is he saving it for the 20/20.
It's Yorkshire... Trig's a second innnings man!!
And another batting point.
11 overs left I think before close
And another batting point.
11 overs left I think before close
The cow shed was once known as the Supporter's Club stand, I believe.
Did Yorkshire catch up with the overrate? I noticed they were -4 at 1 point.
Brilliant, the perfect response to a decent Yorkshire effort.
Well done lads, a hearty 10/10 for the day.
Well done lads, a hearty 10/10 for the day.
Good day. Let's put it into perspective. Yorkshire bowlers Sidebottom- a good pedigree; Shazad- up and coming and good potential; Rashid - in the front rank of English spinners.
389 for 6 against that attack. Excellent
389 for 6 against that attack. Excellent
Lookes like we will need the win to keep in touch with Lancs & Durham though. Unless the rain comes down for two days solid on the south coast.
Yeah, hoping for a flood in Southampton.
Agree that we will need to win this to stay in touch.
Agree that we will need to win this to stay in touch.
Appears like one of those wickets you're never in on until you've been out there an hour.A lead of around 100-120 should hopefully be enough to force a result.Great knocks from skippy,Arul and Hildy holding it together towards the end.
If we can still be batting at lunch tomorrow it should establish a useful lead. A lot rests on Hilda to generate the bulk of the runs though.
It sounds like a pitch were wickets are falling in clusters but large partnerships can be built. It would be useful if our bowlers can get early wickets in their second knock and have them effectively 3 or 4 down before any deficit has been knocked off but it is set up for an interesting day tomorrow.
It sounds like a pitch were wickets are falling in clusters but large partnerships can be built. It would be useful if our bowlers can get early wickets in their second knock and have them effectively 3 or 4 down before any deficit has been knocked off but it is set up for an interesting day tomorrow.
Marcus really pleased with the batting today and overall position. He was displeased with yesterday's bowling though, noting "we did not bowl at all well," and saying that we were lucky.
Going to be a big test for Lewis Gregory tomorrow morning... might be heavy rain overnight, apparently, so pitch might sweat under the covers a bit.. in which case batting might be really tricky but then again might not be that bad of a thing, actually, if we got bundled out quite quickly? (I'd like the extra batting point first, though!) The thinking being we'd be bowling at them with maybe still some moisture around.
I think Roy Kerslake said to Grockle that the ball had not appeared to swing much today? Marcus feels that it did swing around. Might not have been the Grockle/Kerslake tandem - might have been the one before.
Going to be a big test for Lewis Gregory tomorrow morning... might be heavy rain overnight, apparently, so pitch might sweat under the covers a bit.. in which case batting might be really tricky but then again might not be that bad of a thing, actually, if we got bundled out quite quickly? (I'd like the extra batting point first, though!) The thinking being we'd be bowling at them with maybe still some moisture around.
I think Roy Kerslake said to Grockle that the ball had not appeared to swing much today? Marcus feels that it did swing around. Might not have been the Grockle/Kerslake tandem - might have been the one before.
Good day against a good attack. If Hildy, Lewis and one or two others can get a good few more tomorrow, we should be in a good position. Glad the day's cricket went better than my day's meetings!
Day 2 photos.
For most of the day my photos consisted of shots being played that is what I was hoping for with Somerset batting.
James Hildreth running the ball off the face of the bat for 4 runs.
I have been waiting to see some of the younger players stay at the crease for a while, this evening we started to see what Lewis Gregory can do, and this shot gave him four runs. We need him to stay with James Hildreth for a while tomorrow.
Marcus played another great innings today, he hit this six over a fielders head and all he could do was watch it go high up into his Marcus’s own stand.
All good innings must come to an end as Marcus Trescothick’s did when A Lyth caught him off R Sidebottom.
Peter Trego trapped lbw by R Sidebottom.
We need to get as much of a lead as possible tomorrow.
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For most of the day my photos consisted of shots being played that is what I was hoping for with Somerset batting.
James Hildreth running the ball off the face of the bat for 4 runs.
I have been waiting to see some of the younger players stay at the crease for a while, this evening we started to see what Lewis Gregory can do, and this shot gave him four runs. We need him to stay with James Hildreth for a while tomorrow.
Marcus played another great innings today, he hit this six over a fielders head and all he could do was watch it go high up into his Marcus’s own stand.
All good innings must come to an end as Marcus Trescothick’s did when A Lyth caught him off R Sidebottom.
Peter Trego trapped lbw by R Sidebottom.
We need to get as much of a lead as possible tomorrow.
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The big swinger this afternoon was Patterson who got the ball to go both in and out. Sidebottom got a very little bit but he was firing it in at yorker length for over after over up until about three from the end.
If Rashid is in the forefront of English spinners then I can only hope that Swann plays until he's 50 or so because he was entirely unimpressive today. He did get wickets, the only ones comeing from injudiciously placed shots where half volleys were driven to fielders.
Good performance on a good competitive day of cricket and some promising faith shown at the end when Hildreth took a single (the Yorkshire were very clearly allowing him) off the first ball of the last over bowled by Rashid. This allowed Lewis to face the spinner - brought on for the purpose for the last 6 balls - and take him for 2 fours off the 5 balls faced.
If Rashid is in the forefront of English spinners then I can only hope that Swann plays until he's 50 or so because he was entirely unimpressive today. He did get wickets, the only ones comeing from injudiciously placed shots where half volleys were driven to fielders.
Good performance on a good competitive day of cricket and some promising faith shown at the end when Hildreth took a single (the Yorkshire were very clearly allowing him) off the first ball of the last over bowled by Rashid. This allowed Lewis to face the spinner - brought on for the purpose for the last 6 balls - and take him for 2 fours off the 5 balls faced.
Quality as ever, Mike. Out of curiosity from a fellow camera geek, what kit are you using?
What a great innings from the skipper.
I'm not sure we all sometimes realise how lucky we are to have such a special player, he's often taken for granted as we are just used to what he does.
Great position after Yorks were 305-4 after tea yesterday.
Can't say i've huge expectations for many more runs tomorrow but if we could get a 80-100 lead then really need to get amongst them early.
Lets hope the weather doesnt hurt us too much...
I'm not sure we all sometimes realise how lucky we are to have such a special player, he's often taken for granted as we are just used to what he does.
Great position after Yorks were 305-4 after tea yesterday.
Can't say i've huge expectations for many more runs tomorrow but if we could get a 80-100 lead then really need to get amongst them early.
Lets hope the weather doesnt hurt us too much...
Very enjoyable cricket last 2 days, highlight being the skipper's ton today.
Some excellent bowling from Yorkshire after tea has put the game in the balance. My guess is that like the game against Worcs the pitch will give assistance to the bowlers on all 4 days.
Lets hope Hildy and Lewis can give us a decent lead tomorrow morning.
Some excellent bowling from Yorkshire after tea has put the game in the balance. My guess is that like the game against Worcs the pitch will give assistance to the bowlers on all 4 days.
Lets hope Hildy and Lewis can give us a decent lead tomorrow morning.
Grockle
I agree with your analysis over the Tykes bowling. Also, although his bowling analysis don't show it, I felt that over the whole day Hannan-Dalby posed the biggest threat. His figures were spoilt by a couple of big sixes from Marcus into his OWN stand!
As far as Rashid's bowling, I really can't see him filling England's need for a spinner, although perhaps this time he was intimidated by Marcus taking on anything slightly short a length.
I agree with your analysis over the Tykes bowling. Also, although his bowling analysis don't show it, I felt that over the whole day Hannan-Dalby posed the biggest threat. His figures were spoilt by a couple of big sixes from Marcus into his OWN stand!
As far as Rashid's bowling, I really can't see him filling England's need for a spinner, although perhaps this time he was intimidated by Marcus taking on anything slightly short a length.
Pete is on his toes, look at the ball flying off, look how high it is.......cheated out, cheated out I tell you.
Yep forgot to mention the double barreller OB - such a strange way of carrying the ball to the crease but was much more effective than reports suggested he was in the Roses game.
It's been a very good game to watch.
Also forgot to thank Bagpuss very much for saving my life today - much appreciated ma'am.
The "Kerslake and Bird" show is on all week after 4 so get your comments together for then
Also we are now being asked to summarise games for the BBC Bristol drive show at about 5:20 as they have no-one at the game so listen out for those if you are on your way home.
Roy did the one on Tuesday. Wifi cockups stopped it happening today but we should be on to do the Thursday one as well.
Also hope the weather does not intervene in another excellent game between the two protagonists.
It's been a very good game to watch.
Also forgot to thank Bagpuss very much for saving my life today - much appreciated ma'am.
The "Kerslake and Bird" show is on all week after 4 so get your comments together for then
Also we are now being asked to summarise games for the BBC Bristol drive show at about 5:20 as they have no-one at the game so listen out for those if you are on your way home.
Roy did the one on Tuesday. Wifi cockups stopped it happening today but we should be on to do the Thursday one as well.
Also hope the weather does not intervene in another excellent game between the two protagonists.
In the modern County game, I doubt if there is any more intimidating figure at which to bowl than an in-form Marcus.
The boss said he was 'scratchy,' this morning but 'started to feel in nick as the day wore along.'
I'm sure that will be a tremendous comfort to the Yorkshire bowlers as they think about facing him again in the final innings!
The boss said he was 'scratchy,' this morning but 'started to feel in nick as the day wore along.'
I'm sure that will be a tremendous comfort to the Yorkshire bowlers as they think about facing him again in the final innings!
I agree with wsm fan about MT - we won't see his like again. He played a masterful, and very responsible, innings today - batting was never easy, but he made sure that he put his team into a good position.
Arul's innings was also very valuable - he batted grittily until he reached his half-century and then played fluently until unluckily picking out mid-wicket when trying to despatch a rank long-hop over the boundary.
Compton looked disgruntled about being given out caught behind; and, from where I was sitting on Gimblett's Hill, Trego might have had cause for looking disgruntled (but commendably walked of quickly) when given out LBW.
Fittingly, the Emperor batted imperiously to ensure that we overtook Yorkshire's total.
I thought that Sidebottom and Shahzad bowled well with the first new ball; and Patterson bowled well later. There was a bit of a stalemate for a time in the afternoon, when the Yorkshire bowlers bowled well outside off stump and the batsmen (understandably) left the ball; but otherwise it was an absorbing day.
Rashid's bowling was disappointing - far too many rank long-hops, even for a leg spinner. However, he did claim Barrow caught behind with a good ball.
The fielder who caught the eye was Sidebottom, who fielded on the boundary with surprising athleticism.
Arul's innings was also very valuable - he batted grittily until he reached his half-century and then played fluently until unluckily picking out mid-wicket when trying to despatch a rank long-hop over the boundary.
Compton looked disgruntled about being given out caught behind; and, from where I was sitting on Gimblett's Hill, Trego might have had cause for looking disgruntled (but commendably walked of quickly) when given out LBW.
Fittingly, the Emperor batted imperiously to ensure that we overtook Yorkshire's total.
I thought that Sidebottom and Shahzad bowled well with the first new ball; and Patterson bowled well later. There was a bit of a stalemate for a time in the afternoon, when the Yorkshire bowlers bowled well outside off stump and the batsmen (understandably) left the ball; but otherwise it was an absorbing day.
Rashid's bowling was disappointing - far too many rank long-hops, even for a leg spinner. However, he did claim Barrow caught behind with a good ball.
The fielder who caught the eye was Sidebottom, who fielded on the boundary with surprising athleticism.
Arul did some decent therapy for his own batting today as well.
He scratched about and worked very hard up to about 50 but then started to get into a groove and was unlucky not to get his ton. He could have hit the ball he got out to anywhere on that side and picked out the fielder.
Pete was a big psychological wicket for them today and will be again in the second dig.
He scratched about and worked very hard up to about 50 but then started to get into a groove and was unlucky not to get his ton. He could have hit the ball he got out to anywhere on that side and picked out the fielder.
Pete was a big psychological wicket for them today and will be again in the second dig.
I see Banger only needs 173 in the second innings for his 1000 first class runs before the end of May.
So I was right then, Preb?
I didn't hear any commentary, but from Mike's picture the only way that ball would have hit the stumps would be if the timber was about six feet tall.
The Umpires owe us one.........not right, not right I tell you, the Yorkshire boys are so scared of him they've dropped the men in coats a few loaded brown envelopes.
Stuffed into leather jackets.
I didn't hear any commentary, but from Mike's picture the only way that ball would have hit the stumps would be if the timber was about six feet tall.
The Umpires owe us one.........not right, not right I tell you, the Yorkshire boys are so scared of him they've dropped the men in coats a few loaded brown envelopes.
Stuffed into leather jackets.
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Pete is on his toes, look at the ball flying off, look how high it is.......cheated out, cheated out I tell you.
I can't see the ball Jim, so how do we know it was too high?
Looking at where the ball would have pitched, you appear to have an excellent case Jim. He should be recalled!
His problem appears to have been that he hasn't got a stride in, the ball was obviously of a decent length....but even still.......they're running scared.
Must have been another superb effort from Marcus.
We are fortunate indeed, and he must be chuffed as old boots, especially after the first couple of Championship games when some (ashamed to say myself included) began to have doubts.
So, well done Marcus, well done Arul & James & let's get a thumping lead tomorrow.
Grizzzly
We are fortunate indeed, and he must be chuffed as old boots, especially after the first couple of Championship games when some (ashamed to say myself included) began to have doubts.
So, well done Marcus, well done Arul & James & let's get a thumping lead tomorrow.
Grizzzly
Would the person that thought that Marcus should move down the order please devour a large slice of humble pie until the next home CC game.
Enjoy!!!!!
Enjoy!!!!!
It has just started raining lightly here in BS31.The forecast is for light rain and showers until mid afternoon,with similar prediction for TA1.
If this is the case I would expect we could get around 40 overs after tea assuming the light is good enough.The outfield will be extensively covered and with Blotto being put to use regularly so cannot see any delay once the rain stops.
If this is the case I would expect we could get around 40 overs after tea assuming the light is good enough.The outfield will be extensively covered and with Blotto being put to use regularly so cannot see any delay once the rain stops.
Not raining in Taunton at the moment. Latest forecast that I have seen is for the odd shower up until mid afternoon.
Cloudy skies so hopefully our bowlers can make the most of the overcast conditions.
Cloudy skies so hopefully our bowlers can make the most of the overcast conditions.
I've heard that it's not raining in Bridgwater either but it is pouring down here at the moment.
Uncle m - was there much in the way of overnight rain? I thought some pretty sharp overnight stuff had been forecast for Taunton.
National forecast is;
"Don't really know," which is to say that showers, some heavy and thundery, could erupt "anywhere," and there does not appear to be any regional breakdown of that at all!!
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Now, let's suppose we are fortunate enough to get dodge the showers and get a fair amount of play;
IF batting becomes difficult under heavily overcast conditions, is there merit in trying to struggle on beyond 400 (final batting bonus point)? Or would we better served declaring and trying to get among them whilst there is help from the overhead conditions.
National forecast is;
"Don't really know," which is to say that showers, some heavy and thundery, could erupt "anywhere," and there does not appear to be any regional breakdown of that at all!!
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Now, let's suppose we are fortunate enough to get dodge the showers and get a fair amount of play;
IF batting becomes difficult under heavily overcast conditions, is there merit in trying to struggle on beyond 400 (final batting bonus point)? Or would we better served declaring and trying to get among them whilst there is help from the overhead conditions.
Quote:Tumbles
Quality as ever, Mike. Out of curiosity from a fellow camera geek, what kit are you using?
Sorry for the delay in replying I have only just read your post.
I use a Nikon D300 camera it is at the lower end of the professional camera range, I even know a professional cameraman that uses the same model.
The lens I think is more important than the camera it is no use having a good camera with a cheep lens, always buy the best you can afford.
I would like a faster lens but the Nikon 80-400 f4.5–5.6 VR ED lens that I have is the best I can afford.
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Sitting up high looking across to the county ground at the moment, it's very wet and dark and unpleasant out there. Not raining right this second in town, but has been on and off all morning and I can't see play starting on time in the slightest.
It is clearly building up to a neat scenario where Gale (not knowing about last year!!!!) sets us an enormous target, which we get with one ball to go on Friday evening!
I do believe I saw some pigs flying just now very near the volcanic dust!!!
I do believe I saw some pigs flying just now very near the volcanic dust!!!
Well I am still at home so you can see what I think of the weather at this moment.
Oh dear.
Draw very likely then. Still, at least it will be a high scoring draw, but still one that would leave us further behind Lancs and Durham (tomorrow's forecast is fine and neither of those sides is likely to need more than one full day to complete their wins.)
Draw very likely then. Still, at least it will be a high scoring draw, but still one that would leave us further behind Lancs and Durham (tomorrow's forecast is fine and neither of those sides is likely to need more than one full day to complete their wins.)
BBC 24 hour forecast says heavy rain at 10am, clearing to light showers by midday oneish. Hopeful we might get something later on!!
It has stopped again and does look marginally brighter, but still lots of grey skies.
It was always going to be a hard game to win once Yorkshire got a decent score. Weather won't help but I would be tempted to get 400 , throw the bat for 30 mins-quick 50 from Chas-declare ,and start taking wickets.
Hampshire have lost 2 wickets already this morning without denting the deficit much :-(
Any news on the 11am inspection at HQ ?
Any news on the 11am inspection at HQ ?
Can you take an early lunch as early as 12 in the CC.That's what they're doing at cardiff in the 1st test
Yes you are unable to judge from my photo about Trego's lbw it was taken to late.
Edit so you know what post I was replying to.
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Edit so you know what post I was replying to.
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your photo was great Mike..no worries on that
Just confirming to some of the posters who reckon he was unlucky, however whether they were serious or not then who knows.
Just confirming to some of the posters who reckon he was unlucky, however whether they were serious or not then who knows.
Mike -- is it true?
Cricinfo claims we will start at 12pm?
I assume that's wrong?
Cricinfo claims we will start at 12pm?
I assume that's wrong?
Stopped raining in Hoiton about 10.30 and sun trying to shine through now. Will wave this improved weather northwards to Taunton.
Why would it be wrong, AG? Anyway, bat on, get as many as we can - lots of time left yet to get a result.
Thinks are looking brighter
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Met office radar looks pretty clear for the next few hours.
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Met office radar looks pretty clear for the next few hours.
looks like 12 it is. BBC has it as well.
How are you this morning SP? Feeling confident?
How are you this morning SP? Feeling confident?
Simply, SP, because I assume one of our posters would have already said as much ... if there's been an announcement I'd have thought Mike, for one, would have heard it?
If we are starting and if the track is lively, I really think we should just get to 400 and then start bowling whilst conditions remain helpful.
Forecast for tomorrow is VERY good, so I would not think that the side that bowls tomorow will get much, if any, weather related help.
If we are starting and if the track is lively, I really think we should just get to 400 and then start bowling whilst conditions remain helpful.
Forecast for tomorrow is VERY good, so I would not think that the side that bowls tomorow will get much, if any, weather related help.
Not looking bright for Hants - looks like may be all over before lunch at the Rose Bowl
Yep, very confident ronnie.
AG - that's a fair point, tho Mike and others may be on their way to the ground.
Anyway, let's get at 'em, first with the bat then the ball.
*Edited - spelt "em" wrong!
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AG - that's a fair point, tho Mike and others may be on their way to the ground.
Anyway, let's get at 'em, first with the bat then the ball.
*Edited - spelt "em" wrong!
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AG, it is definitely much brighter with broken cloud and no rain for a while. There are still some dark bits of cloud and I wouldn't be suprised at the odd shower, but it's alot brighter than 2 hours ago.
I went back to cricinfo just now wondering if play was near as it seems playable, and apparently we're about to start.
I went back to cricinfo just now wondering if play was near as it seems playable, and apparently we're about to start.
Well, SP, clearly it WAS/IS correct and hurrah for that!!
In action elsewhere, Surrey's poor season continues - a 135 run first innings deficit at home to Glamorgan!
In action elsewhere, Surrey's poor season continues - a 135 run first innings deficit at home to Glamorgan!
Well, I guess we can probably stop worrying about the "bat on," debate unless James does a superb strike-farming job.
Hussain blatantly tried extremely hard with the bat at Hove. He does look like he has at least a fair defensive technique. But this is a pretty good Yorkshire attack and I think the best we can probably hope for is that Gemaal accompanies James up until the 400 mark.
Hussain blatantly tried extremely hard with the bat at Hove. He does look like he has at least a fair defensive technique. But this is a pretty good Yorkshire attack and I think the best we can probably hope for is that Gemaal accompanies James up until the 400 mark.
That three by James *should* mean we get that final point though.. should pick it up this over.
Edit: He just did it.
Edit: He just did it.
The Warks follow-on will commence shortly (assuming that Benkenstein "invites," them to bat again.)
Dear .....
Thank you for your kind invitation. unfortunately we are all washing our hair so are unable to attend to bat.
Yours .....
Thank you for your kind invitation. unfortunately we are all washing our hair so are unable to attend to bat.
Yours .....
Three balls, 2 boundaries for Lancs to win :-(
Going to take some catching now :-(
Going to take some catching now :-(
They need Imran Tahir back desperately .. ditto Michael Carberry and they need the likes of McKenzie to hit form, too.
Otherwise, it's curtains for money-bags Bransgrove's boys, I would think.
Otherwise, it's curtains for money-bags Bransgrove's boys, I would think.
remember Warks were in a similar position last year and turned it round. Plenty of time left. And for us to catch Lancs too.
A win in this game would really help with the latter though!!
A win in this game would really help with the latter though!!
Yeah - and Imran Tahir was also chiefly responsible for turning it around for them too, Ronnie!
Pretty good job of crease occupation by Hussain.
I wonder if James will throw the bat now?
I wonder if James will throw the bat now?
James needs to go into 20-20 mode now I think
Good to see him get some runs though!
Good to see him get some runs though!
Yeah, I wonder if there is any correlation at all, Edinburgh, between the England number six decision having been taken and James making his best score of the summer?
Perhaps none at all, as it has sounded as though James has been in decent touch and we know he's been run out twice, but just a thought...
Perhaps none at all, as it has sounded as though James has been in decent touch and we know he's been run out twice, but just a thought...
I'm not so sure about the wisdom of taking 1s off the first ball of an over though.
Every run counts, but we need JH on strike as much as possible!
A useful, if not game changing lead now though.
Every run counts, but we need JH on strike as much as possible!
A useful, if not game changing lead now though.
thanks SP. Don't know where it came from.
Looks like the weather may be over the middle to east of country now. Hopefully it stays there for a bit and allows Warks to fight back a tad.
Looks like the weather may be over the middle to east of country now. Hopefully it stays there for a bit and allows Warks to fight back a tad.
Well, clearly all depends how we bowl/catch really, Edinburgh!
If we end up with a lead of 80 and then reduce them to 125 for 4 (not a terrible score in and of itself) then they'd then be under quite a lot of pressure at, effectively, 45 for 4.
Bowlers have really got to hit their straps though. I didn't bother to look at the figures for the two stugglers, Hants and Worcs, but I looked at the bowling figures for most of the other counties and, Kirby apart, our bowling strike-rates are generally worse than those of bowlers playing for Counties that are towards the top end of the table.
If we end up with a lead of 80 and then reduce them to 125 for 4 (not a terrible score in and of itself) then they'd then be under quite a lot of pressure at, effectively, 45 for 4.
Bowlers have really got to hit their straps though. I didn't bother to look at the figures for the two stugglers, Hants and Worcs, but I looked at the bowling figures for most of the other counties and, Kirby apart, our bowling strike-rates are generally worse than those of bowlers playing for Counties that are towards the top end of the table.
Bat on! IF JH gets the chance to smash a few it will help our cause no end. We need to score quickly to move the match forward IMO, especially as we may lose further time to weather.
If we bowl them out for 200ish second dig then IMO that is a match changing bowling performance to back up a useful lead ;-)
If we bowl them out for 200ish second dig then IMO that is a match changing bowling performance to back up a useful lead ;-)
The thing is the first innings of this match occupied, I think, about 85 overs. The second innings has gone past the 110 mark.
Unless conditions change, or have changed, radically then one would expect that the third innings might also last some considerable time.
And there are, presumably about 160 overs or so left in this match.
Personally, I still think I'd rather start bowling ASAPas I think I'd rather have to chase a few extra runs under the sun tomorrow than I would have to take 5 or 6 wickets tomorrow.
Unless conditions change, or have changed, radically then one would expect that the third innings might also last some considerable time.
And there are, presumably about 160 overs or so left in this match.
Personally, I still think I'd rather start bowling ASAPas I think I'd rather have to chase a few extra runs under the sun tomorrow than I would have to take 5 or 6 wickets tomorrow.
Hildy will either try and score quickly and get a few or we will be bowled out quickly anyway.
Either way I think we will be bowling soon enough. Id rather be doing it with another 20-30 runs myself
Either way I think we will be bowling soon enough. Id rather be doing it with another 20-30 runs myself
I think I'd rather have runs in the bank, as long as they are quick. I fear we'll need to bowl them out in 100 overs(ish) to win the game. Given our middle order inexperience, I'd rather chase less. Declaring now would save all of 10 minutes.
Of course we may not be given a choice of how long to bat. I guess we'll find out pretty soon.
Of course we may not be given a choice of how long to bat. I guess we'll find out pretty soon.
452 all out, lead of 94.
86 from last four wickets - happy with that, even if the last four batsmen didn't actually get many of them. Most credit to James today, of course.
86 from last four wickets - happy with that, even if the last four batsmen didn't actually get many of them. Most credit to James today, of course.
need to bowl well in the first 20 overs of this innings now which hasn't been the strong suit this season (even Kirby admitted it).
Not a great start if the commentators are to be believed with two short four balls.
Hmmm a tail that wagged....whooopee.
Now we need to build on that good work and win the flaming game!
Now we need to build on that good work and win the flaming game!
Well done James for managing the tail.
Now, let's get into them chaps.
Line & Lenghth & all that good stuff !
Grizzzly
Now, let's get into them chaps.
Line & Lenghth & all that good stuff !
Grizzzly
To judge from what Marcus said, the bowling will need to improve sharply from the first innings effort if we are going to win this one.
Did he use the word 'sharply' or have you added that to his assessment?
The bowling attack did take the last 6 wickets for 50 odd in a session.
I know he wanted improvements but was his assessment that damning?
The bowling attack did take the last 6 wickets for 50 odd in a session.
I know he wanted improvements but was his assessment that damning?
I didn't say Marcus said that as a quote, that's simply my conclusion based on;
a) What he said
and
b) The fact it took 80+ overs to get them out first time around (You'll see in a minute how the two could be linked)
Marcus's quote was ;
"I think we were quite lucky to get them out for the total we did, because we did not bowl well at all."
So the reason I say that a sharp improvement would probably be required is because it took us 85 overs or so to get them out last time AND that was with the benefit of luck on our side (according to the boss)
a) What he said
and
b) The fact it took 80+ overs to get them out first time around (You'll see in a minute how the two could be linked)
Marcus's quote was ;
"I think we were quite lucky to get them out for the total we did, because we did not bowl well at all."
So the reason I say that a sharp improvement would probably be required is because it took us 85 overs or so to get them out last time AND that was with the benefit of luck on our side (according to the boss)
And "Leaf," has gone!
Seriously, though, I do like the fact that this particular commentator had a bit of a shout when we got the wicket. Well done, Hussain.
Seriously, though, I do like the fact that this particular commentator had a bit of a shout when we got the wicket. Well done, Hussain.
Whilst there's a lull in postings, re the Fantasy stuff, does anyone know how long J Harris of Glam, will be out, as I've just replaced Vaas, who I thought would be playing for SL, having not played for Northants, then Harris gets injured! It's all very confusing.
Still Bairstow and Tresco have served me well this week.
Still Bairstow and Tresco have served me well this week.
Harris injured? Darn! O'Brien was doing the business for me but I hear he's injured too.
Treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegoooooooooooooo indeed...
Treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegoooooooooooooo indeed...
It is sounding as though Bairstow is starting to get a bit settled.
Need at least another couple tonight, I feel.
Need at least another couple tonight, I feel.
Triggers bowling:
1st innings:
12-1-79-1 (Econ 6.58)
2nd innings:
7-1-13-1 (Econ 1.85)
Funny old game !!
Grizzzly
1st innings:
12-1-79-1 (Econ 6.58)
2nd innings:
7-1-13-1 (Econ 1.85)
Funny old game !!
Grizzzly
Grockle - you just said on commentary that the movement seems to have gone away at the moment. We are now (ball use) wise into the same sort of period as we were in the first innings when not very much happened for an extended period. That period was from just before the 40th over until just after the 70th.
The way it's going, I suspect the best we can hope for is having to chase down about 225 or so in 1.5 sessions.
preferably I would want to chase 200 at most, but sadly I think it will be much more than that.
They have Rashid too on the last day wicket so anything more would be tricky and leave us struggling
They have Rashid too on the last day wicket so anything more would be tricky and leave us struggling
Griz he has now bowled 2 overs for about 17 or so since you posted that.
By my reckoning thats a King pairfor Yousuf at Edgbaston. One thing about Durham they seem to be able to get the job done on most occasions.
Harmison seems injured again too!!!
Harmison seems injured again too!!!
I was trying the reverse hex myself but he was taken off after that....drat!!!
I am home early and listening to the commentary for the first time I was cold and holding the camera didn't help. Grockle mentioned about Steve Kirby going off the field, while I was at the ground I spotted what I thought was SK holding his back.
thats all we need, although he wasn't bowling very well by the looks of it anyway.
Kirby looked injured but Gregory has just yorked theYorkie - Root has gone!
5 down now - bubbling up nicely !
Love to get Bairstow tonight - must be nearly close of play ?
Grizzzly
Love to get Bairstow tonight - must be nearly close of play ?
Grizzzly
was following and game seemed to end abruptly there. Bad light or rain maybe.
Last 3 wickets massive for us. If we can get Bairstow early enough tomorrow we can have a real pot at this.
Last 3 wickets massive for us. If we can get Bairstow early enough tomorrow we can have a real pot at this.
How can they call stumps om 63.2 overs unless there is another wicket?
Wurz
Wurz
Ah yes bad light or rain.......there was me thinking we must have got Bairstow.......doh
Wurz
Wurz
So we think Kirby hurt his back do we?
Very cold day, so hopefully it's just that the cold has sent his back into spasm and nothing serious or long-term.
If it's the kind of thing that takes ten days or so to settle down, that's no great drama as there's no CC cricket anyway and I don't really think he will be a key figure in T20.
Looks like today was a real team effort with wickets shared around.
Would rather be in our position than theirs.
That said, they still have a couple of tricks customers to come - Shahzad can hit out lustily and Sidebottom can be very, very stubborn. So still a fair bit of work to do in the morning, especially if we are a bowler down.
Very cold day, so hopefully it's just that the cold has sent his back into spasm and nothing serious or long-term.
If it's the kind of thing that takes ten days or so to settle down, that's no great drama as there's no CC cricket anyway and I don't really think he will be a key figure in T20.
Looks like today was a real team effort with wickets shared around.
Would rather be in our position than theirs.
That said, they still have a couple of tricks customers to come - Shahzad can hit out lustily and Sidebottom can be very, very stubborn. So still a fair bit of work to do in the morning, especially if we are a bowler down.
Day three photos.
I am able to post early today having gone home because of frost bite my hands were so cold holding the camera.
A Gale hit a straight six but not a straight in front but straight behind him hitting the sightscreen.
G Hussain beating A Gale bat.
A Lyth was caught by Jos Buttler off the bowling of G Hussain.
James Hildreth played very well but this ball just missed the outside edge of his bat.
Steve Kirby had what he thought was a good lbw appeal turned down so the very next ball he gave J Root the stare.
I am able to post early today having gone home because of frost bite my hands were so cold holding the camera.
A Gale hit a straight six but not a straight in front but straight behind him hitting the sightscreen.
G Hussain beating A Gale bat.
A Lyth was caught by Jos Buttler off the bowling of G Hussain.
James Hildreth played very well but this ball just missed the outside edge of his bat.
Steve Kirby had what he thought was a good lbw appeal turned down so the very next ball he gave J Root the stare.
and Bairstow is still there.
But a couple early will sort it out.Hussain, Willo and Tregs can get the last four, but we will need at least 200 on this wicket the way it is looking and probably more.
But a couple early will sort it out.Hussain, Willo and Tregs can get the last four, but we will need at least 200 on this wicket the way it is looking and probably more.
Looking from afar (in Liverpool today, just suffered the LCCC result on the news) it seems Lewis wasn't given a chance till later in the afternoon and once again took a wicket within a couple of overs.
Surely we've got to give him a chance earlier on when things aren't going right?
Surely we've got to give him a chance earlier on when things aren't going right?
Tumbles - Yeah Gregory has yet to take many wickets in his first few games, but that's three openers he has now disposed of.
At Hove, he looked a man in search of a stock ball, to an extent - not surprising as he's not been bowling for long. But that yorker is devastating!! When he develops a good stock ball he will become a really good bowler, IMO.
At Hove, he looked a man in search of a stock ball, to an extent - not surprising as he's not been bowling for long. But that yorker is devastating!! When he develops a good stock ball he will become a really good bowler, IMO.
What an excellent game so far.
We could have three different results going into the last day and the forecast for Friday is good.
Effectively Yorkshire are 155-6 going into the last day and I would of definitely taken that considering we lost the toss.
Keep up the effort lads - we could really do with a positive result in our last CC game for a while.
We could have three different results going into the last day and the forecast for Friday is good.
Effectively Yorkshire are 155-6 going into the last day and I would of definitely taken that considering we lost the toss.
Keep up the effort lads - we could really do with a positive result in our last CC game for a while.
Great photo's Mike, (including the two close up's of Banger's underwear !).
Grizzzly
Grizzzly
No mention of Kirby injury on official site. Hopefully that might be a good sign, there?
Andy Hurry delighted with the 40 minute spell after tea in terms of bowling. He reckons Arul's two wickets have the game tilted in our favour.
Displeased, as he was at Hove, with the new ball bowling, though.
You have to wonder if Alf will be handed the new ball when he is back because there are only so many times that captain and coach can be brassed off with the bowling at the start of an innings before something gives?
Andy Hurry delighted with the 40 minute spell after tea in terms of bowling. He reckons Arul's two wickets have the game tilted in our favour.
Displeased, as he was at Hove, with the new ball bowling, though.
You have to wonder if Alf will be handed the new ball when he is back because there are only so many times that captain and coach can be brassed off with the bowling at the start of an innings before something gives?
And the Yorkshire site is saying their lot will need to bat "into the afternoon and then bowl like demons," for them to win the game, so one could infer from that that they do not believe they would have much chance at all of defending the sort of total of 210-230 or so that they would probably be left to defend if they didn't manage to bat 'into the afternoon.'
Can anyone explain why young Gregory bowls so few overs and yet has a major influence when he does eventually come on?
On the other hand, Somerset's batting could have (as dear Old Blowers used to say) a "Calypso Collapso."
I am sure that Yorkshire will bowl "like demons." Can we bat again against their attack in a disciplined and professional way again?
I certainly hope so.
I am sure that Yorkshire will bowl "like demons." Can we bat again against their attack in a disciplined and professional way again?
I certainly hope so.
Well, for a start, the perception of him at the club, Scotsman, is that he is a batsman that bowls, from what I can tell.
Indeed, one cannot fault the club for that too much, because when I saw Lewis interviewed that also seemed to be his OWN perception!
He's only been bowling - at any level - for two years and so is learning the ropes, really, as a bowler in first-class cricket.
I think he has two general attributes as a bowler that are good .. he bowls wicket-to-wicket and he has good pace through the air. He has one specific attribute that is outstanding .. his yorker.
Indeed, one cannot fault the club for that too much, because when I saw Lewis interviewed that also seemed to be his OWN perception!
He's only been bowling - at any level - for two years and so is learning the ropes, really, as a bowler in first-class cricket.
I think he has two general attributes as a bowler that are good .. he bowls wicket-to-wicket and he has good pace through the air. He has one specific attribute that is outstanding .. his yorker.
Like Mike I left at about 5.30 pm today suffering from frostbite and therefore missed the last 3 wickets.
Obviously Bairstow's wicket is key tomorrow. If we are left with a target of 250 from 50 overs - game on.
Come on Somerset!
Obviously Bairstow's wicket is key tomorrow. If we are left with a target of 250 from 50 overs - game on.
Come on Somerset!
If it's that kind of target how aggressively will we go for it with the inexperience in the middle order and Jos not in form?
250 off 50 is the kind of target where you only get it if you are aggressive. I get the impression that Marcus has been trying to bat very responsibly and only accelerating later in recent innings.
250 off 50 is the kind of target where you only get it if you are aggressive. I get the impression that Marcus has been trying to bat very responsibly and only accelerating later in recent innings.
Another good day against a tough team - same again tomorrow should see a victory, though if their last 4 wickets add a 100 I might have to listen from behind the sofa.
A superb fight back, it sounds like an excellent match.
Well done boys, let's hope we can winkle out Blue II tomorrow morning, it'll be game over if we can.
Well done boys, let's hope we can winkle out Blue II tomorrow morning, it'll be game over if we can.
Listening to the very good BBC Yorkshire commentary you could tell they were pretty intent on getting the draw when they set off for their second go.
The last two run chases for us in this fixture have created a panic in the Yorks set-up I think....
The last two run chases for us in this fixture have created a panic in the Yorks set-up I think....
A couple of wickets in the first hour will put the game very much in our favour. (although I would take one if it were Bairstow's)
It will be interesting to see how they will play it. Will they shut up shop or go for runs?
It will be interesting to see how they will play it. Will they shut up shop or go for runs?
I don't know that Shahzad - when he gets in - knows how to shut it up. I think he's sure to go for it. Conversely, one would think the cussed Mr Sidebottom will be in "thall shall not pass," mode.
The interesting one will be how young master Bairstow plays it. He has a remarkable average in his career so far - and all of it in Div One.
He has had a poor conversion rate in his young career - masses of 50s but just one ton (actually a double.) That was until the first innings here. If he makes it two tons in this single game, one wonders if that will open the century making floodgates. And given that he's managed to average the best part of 50, without previously making many really big scores...
This really could be a career to watch...
The interesting one will be how young master Bairstow plays it. He has a remarkable average in his career so far - and all of it in Div One.
He has had a poor conversion rate in his young career - masses of 50s but just one ton (actually a double.) That was until the first innings here. If he makes it two tons in this single game, one wonders if that will open the century making floodgates. And given that he's managed to average the best part of 50, without previously making many really big scores...
This really could be a career to watch...
If I was them, I'd take it very carefully for an hour, maybe be happy with 30-1 in the first hour, then take what's on offer. It also wouldn't surprise me if one hit out (maybe Rashid) while JB concentrated on staying and hitting the loose ball.
If they set us 270 off 60, they might back themselves for the draw minimum and maybe hope SIdebottom and Rashid can bowl us out. The sixth wicket was the nightwatchman, so they've still got every chance of adding 100 (as our tail managed).
If they set us 270 off 60, they might back themselves for the draw minimum and maybe hope SIdebottom and Rashid can bowl us out. The sixth wicket was the nightwatchman, so they've still got every chance of adding 100 (as our tail managed).
Aye, I reckon young Master Bairstow could be taking the gloves off Mr Prior before too very long.
He's obviously a superb player, good luck to him.
He's obviously a superb player, good luck to him.
If Bairstow is to go national, please tell me so I can transfer him from my Fantasy team!
As for deciding to chase a target, having lost 3 games, we have no option than to chase, provided that it is reasonable.
As for deciding to chase a target, having lost 3 games, we have no option than to chase, provided that it is reasonable.
Friday is probably the most important day of our season . Win and we keep the second half of the CC alive,Big momentum into the 2020.Draw or Lose we can probably only be looking at a runners up spot at best, with extra pressure on winning a one day trophy. Momentum is a great thing.Please let it start now!!!
I'd love to know what TykesRus thinks at this stage, and what he's expecting tomorrow.
He's not quite good enough with the gloves yet from what I've read, but he's jolly close.
Not this season I wouldn't have thought, unless of course something happens to Prior.
Not this season I wouldn't have thought, unless of course something happens to Prior.
From the mouth of Roy Kerslake on the equally good Radio SCCC commentary, the Yorkshire committee have confirmed that the visitors will NOT be setting us any kind of target. Unless as he said it is 600 off 20 overs.
Well BJ, some would say that Prior's keeping is not good enough either... including a number of Sussex fans at Hove. He was certainly poor against us - easily outperformed by Jos. And the Sussex fans tell me Prior is routinely outperformed by Andrew Hodd.
Before we all start to see Lewis as the new bowling sensation at Taunton because he bowled someone when we needed a wicket please don't.
His championship bowling is not yet on a par with his one day bowling. He was on late as a replacement for Kirby simply because Gemaal had already bowled from the River for a while.
The question of more relevance was why Trigger did not return.
Lewis is a wicket to wicket man with a bit of surprising pace but he was struggling for his line. The ball he got Root with was excellent. Full, straight and fast but he wasn't producing those bombs every ball by any means and he did not build on it afterwards though he certainly bent his back trying.
If anything Root was as surprised by the jaffa of a yorker as a number of others were. There is lots of promise there but he is not yet the best batting bowler we have at four day level.
Good for Alf to see what he can do though and he was one of the first to go to him afterwards.
We didn't see Kirbs holding his back, when he walked off we were assuming he had a slight leg niggle as he was slightly one sided and with a minor limp.
Arul bowled really well and deserved both his wickets. He had Ballance so unsure that he looked to leave a ball, then thought it was gong to turn in and was forced to simply pat it into the skipper's hands.
Gemaal had the same problem as Lewis from the River. He was getting loads of bounce...God help batsmen's ribs if he gets them straight at that length.
His championship bowling is not yet on a par with his one day bowling. He was on late as a replacement for Kirby simply because Gemaal had already bowled from the River for a while.
The question of more relevance was why Trigger did not return.
Lewis is a wicket to wicket man with a bit of surprising pace but he was struggling for his line. The ball he got Root with was excellent. Full, straight and fast but he wasn't producing those bombs every ball by any means and he did not build on it afterwards though he certainly bent his back trying.
If anything Root was as surprised by the jaffa of a yorker as a number of others were. There is lots of promise there but he is not yet the best batting bowler we have at four day level.
Good for Alf to see what he can do though and he was one of the first to go to him afterwards.
We didn't see Kirbs holding his back, when he walked off we were assuming he had a slight leg niggle as he was slightly one sided and with a minor limp.
Arul bowled really well and deserved both his wickets. He had Ballance so unsure that he looked to leave a ball, then thought it was gong to turn in and was forced to simply pat it into the skipper's hands.
Gemaal had the same problem as Lewis from the River. He was getting loads of bounce...God help batsmen's ribs if he gets them straight at that length.
PT bowled very well in his first few overs - and he and the close catchers clearly thought that he had Bairstow caught behind a couple of overs after PT had removed Gale.
I agree with BJ that Bairstow is a really good prospect.
The Emperor batted beautifully. England's loss ...
I agree with BJ that Bairstow is a really good prospect.
The Emperor batted beautifully. England's loss ...
I get sick of all the analysis on here, we should be grateful to have such a talented 18 year old available to us.
I think most of us believe LG is talented, but we're just waiting to see what form his talent is going to take. Is he a frontline bowler? Is he a top 6 batsman? Is he both, i.e. a top-class all-rounder (preferably)?
So all the analysis here is just impatient curiosity, fRed.
Based on the evidence so far he looks like mainly a bowler, but it's probably still too early to tell.
I suppose we're waiting for him to get in properly and stack up his first big score, and then we'll know.
So all the analysis here is just impatient curiosity, fRed.
Based on the evidence so far he looks like mainly a bowler, but it's probably still too early to tell.
I suppose we're waiting for him to get in properly and stack up his first big score, and then we'll know.
Well, one poster - Scotsman - asked a question about Gregory and his level of usage as a bowler. It's quite difficult for anyone to answer such a question without recourse to some "analysis," unless one simply resorts to saying "I'm not Marcus, so I could not say."
One presumes that that is not the sort of answer that the person that posed the question was looking for.
One presumes that that is not the sort of answer that the person that posed the question was looking for.
The question is what might Waller have done here instead of Gregory. And if not here then when?
Is Waller more likely than Gregory to take wickets than he is less likely to score runs?
I would argue yes. And we need those wickets. We are hugely reliant on the triumverate of Willoughby, Hussain and Kirby and we desperately need other options
Is Waller more likely than Gregory to take wickets than he is less likely to score runs?
I would argue yes. And we need those wickets. We are hugely reliant on the triumverate of Willoughby, Hussain and Kirby and we desperately need other options
Well, KT, what a happy co-incidence that two such options - Kartik and Alf have just hoved into view for the rest of the CC games this season!!
Yes, but is too late for them to put us in contention? Today could make the difference....
Interesting to see how Kartik goes this year, especially as he has missed Sussex and Lancs away, which would be expected to be helpful tracks.
No they are not. I thought beforehand that if I had to make a bet on the result here, I might well go "draw."
Expect them to fight extremely hard with the bat. Don't expect the pitch to do very much untoward. Suspect that, with the inexperience that we have, we might be quite quick to put up the shutters, should we have any mishaps early on (esp if we lose the boss) if involved in a frantic run-chase.
Would guess it might take until about an hour after lunch to get rid of them..... and that might well leave us 230-240 or so to get in sort of 50 overs or something like that.
Expect them to fight extremely hard with the bat. Don't expect the pitch to do very much untoward. Suspect that, with the inexperience that we have, we might be quite quick to put up the shutters, should we have any mishaps early on (esp if we lose the boss) if involved in a frantic run-chase.
Would guess it might take until about an hour after lunch to get rid of them..... and that might well leave us 230-240 or so to get in sort of 50 overs or something like that.
Sounds like we've bowled very well this morning and so probably deserved that little bit of luck, however daft it may have been from the Yorkshire point of view.
Steve Harmision seems to have uninjured himself of something. Had been stuck on 0.4 overs overnight, and then suddenly has started bowling again .. and taken a wicket.
Warks are going quietly.
Warks are going quietly.
Kirby's 500th first class wicket too.
296/9 at lunch, a lead of 202 runs.
296/9 at lunch, a lead of 202 runs.
Up early & being lazy chaps, so can someone tell me how many overs remain for us to polish off 1 wicket & score the 200+ needed ?
Grizzzly
Grizzzly
I think it should be 64 overs remaining. But there will be a couple of overs taken off for the change of innings.
who did the run out and who were they fielding for? Anyone know?
Ive been out most of the morning. Hopefully we can get the last one and pull this off!!!
Ive been out most of the morning. Hopefully we can get the last one and pull this off!!!
Thanks China.
Let's call it 60 overs remain. So, if they take 10 to weedle out the last mean & score at 3/over, they'll be around 235 ahead/50 overs remaining.
Interesting !
Grizzzly
Let's call it 60 overs remain. So, if they take 10 to weedle out the last mean & score at 3/over, they'll be around 235 ahead/50 overs remaining.
Interesting !
Grizzzly
Quote:Ronniesabre
who did the run out and who were they fielding for? Anyone know?
Ive been out most of the morning. Hopefully we can get the last one and pull this off!!!
I believe it was Jake Lintott, a direct hit from mid wicket, but dont know who is off the field.
According to the Guardian Cricket Blog, the fielder was Jake Lintott, though it doesn't say who he was on for.
I'm taking a hastily-arranged half day from work, so am heading to the ground shortly to watch the finish. Fingers crossed for the right result!
I'm taking a hastily-arranged half day from work, so am heading to the ground shortly to watch the finish. Fingers crossed for the right result!
We put down a couple of chances this morning to get rid of Rashid, according to that blog.
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According to the Guardian Cricket Blog, the fielder was Jake Lintott, though it doesn't say who he was on for.
Somerset, I think.
(Sorry, couldn't resist)
228 to win - how many overs?
Anyway, set off to go for it, and only shut up shop when it's impossible, or too easy for Yorks to win, I say. No need for hell-for-leather, but positive batting should do it.
Anyway, set off to go for it, and only shut up shop when it's impossible, or too easy for Yorks to win, I say. No need for hell-for-leather, but positive batting should do it.
My calculation is that it should be about 51 overs. But I could be off by an over or two.
Anyway, we have to score at about 4.5 an over. Not impossible.
Anyway, we have to score at about 4.5 an over. Not impossible.
agreed SP, but we really could be doing with this.
Hopefully now this is effectively a one day game Jos will come to the party.
Proper tail wag that this morning. Not a recognised specialist batter in sight and their last 4 wickets still did the biz for them
Hopefully now this is effectively a one day game Jos will come to the party.
Proper tail wag that this morning. Not a recognised specialist batter in sight and their last 4 wickets still did the biz for them
Yes, ronnie, tho with the exception of Oliver H-D, they all average well over 20 (Rashid mid-30s) - so their tail's a bit different from ours.
can be handy to have sometimes.
I have said it before but how many catches does that man Trescothick take?..........hes brilliant in there and I would wager his tally this season wont be that much less than our Wicket keepers.
I have said it before but how many catches does that man Trescothick take?..........hes brilliant in there and I would wager his tally this season wont be that much less than our Wicket keepers.
>>Not a recognised specialist batter in sight and their last 4 wickets still did the biz for them
I know what you're saying, Ronnie, but Rashid has a first-class average of 34 with 4 centuries, Bairstow has an average of 47 and 216 runs in this match alone, plus Shahzad and Sidebottom have racked up over 300 runs between them this season so far, so I don't think the struggle was too unexpected.
I think we did OK to get rid of the last 4 for 72 runs, all in all!
I know what you're saying, Ronnie, but Rashid has a first-class average of 34 with 4 centuries, Bairstow has an average of 47 and 216 runs in this match alone, plus Shahzad and Sidebottom have racked up over 300 runs between them this season so far, so I don't think the struggle was too unexpected.
I think we did OK to get rid of the last 4 for 72 runs, all in all!
Very true SP, and to illustrate (and remember Patterson is actually their no.10 but came in as nightwatchman yesterday) the first-class averages are as follows:
Gregory 9.4
Hussain 8.74
Kirby 8.43
Willo 5.86
compared to:
Shahzad 24.34
Sidebottom 13.51
Patterson 12.38
Hannon-D 2.66
but of course they had Rashid in their tail today who averages 34.78
Gregory 9.4
Hussain 8.74
Kirby 8.43
Willo 5.86
compared to:
Shahzad 24.34
Sidebottom 13.51
Patterson 12.38
Hannon-D 2.66
but of course they had Rashid in their tail today who averages 34.78
nearly then!!
I didn't count Bairstow in the tail wag as he never contributed to the 72 this morning.
Whereas Hildy contributed most of ours.
I didn't count Bairstow in the tail wag as he never contributed to the 72 this morning.
Whereas Hildy contributed most of ours.
Yes, I think we did a much, much better job vs the final Yorks wickets this morning than we did in the first innings at Hove against the Sussex tail.
Our last four still got more than theirs though. We added 84 I think in our first innings.
I've had the last commentary stint for this game for the last three years...let's hope it works again and we don't have Gemaal and Charl trying to last 5 overs in poor light about 6-ish to get the draw.
I've had the last commentary stint for this game for the last three years...let's hope it works again and we don't have Gemaal and Charl trying to last 5 overs in poor light about 6-ish to get the draw.
But theirs were all scored by 8,9,10 and 11!
Most of ours were by a no4. Balls faced too were more than ours. HD lasted over half an hour. Well you all wanted to split hairs!!!
Most of ours were by a no4. Balls faced too were more than ours. HD lasted over half an hour. Well you all wanted to split hairs!!!
Can anyone explain why Warks had 12 batsman in first inninngs as well as barker , who didn't bat in the first inninngs but is now 70 not out???13 players?
the Irish guys who are playing against Pakistan this week (Porterfield and Rankin I think) started this game and were allowed substitutes later in the game. They started but ddn't finish essentially.
Edit: re. your post about who the runs come from.
But what difference does that ultimately make ronnie?
As long as our two-innings aggregate is higher than their two innings aggregate, we win, don't we?
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But what difference does that ultimately make ronnie?
As long as our two-innings aggregate is higher than their two innings aggregate, we win, don't we?
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absolutely FE thats not in dispute. If you read my original post I was actually congratulating Yorks on a solid rearguard action.
Then someone posts something like our tails better than theres nonsense so was just recating to that really
Then someone posts something like our tails better than theres nonsense so was just recating to that really
Oh sorry. I thought you were saying that the runs from our last four partnerships were less praiseworthy becaus a large portion of them came from James.
I was to an extent FE............but in jest more than anything else.
This is a really good game of cricket by the way. Hope we can keep going!!!
This is a really good game of cricket by the way. Hope we can keep going!!!
Quote:Ronniesabre
agreed SP, but we really could be doing with this.
Hopefully now this is effectively a one day game Jos will come to the party.
Proper tail wag that this morning. Not a recognised specialist batter in sight and their last 4 wickets still did the biz for them
Pity theyre not using the white ball!
This could be quite some finish. What the hell am I doing in an office in The Crescent when I could be at the County Ground.
Looks like they are very much treating it as a one-day game now.
Marcus has just hit 50 off 48 balls, and they're going at 5.27 an over
95/0 off 18 overs. Rashid has taken a pummelling - 38 off his 4 overs bowled.
133 more runs needed after tea.
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Marcus has just hit 50 off 48 balls, and they're going at 5.27 an over
95/0 off 18 overs. Rashid has taken a pummelling - 38 off his 4 overs bowled.
133 more runs needed after tea.
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I posted something on here about Tres's disrespect of leg-spinners. It appears from his last over than England's foremost practitioner of the noble art is still suffering from the boss's liking for his type of bowling.
Tea - so we have 32 overs to get the last 133 runs, is that right?
4.16 per over.
4.16 per over.
Top effort by the boss, obviously.
Let's hear it also for Suppiah though - two key wickets and what sounds like a very good knock in each innings.
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Let's hear it also for Suppiah though - two key wickets and what sounds like a very good knock in each innings.
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Well said AG...Superb supporting role from Arul... Lets just finish the job so that we can all enjoy this holiday weekend
Tremendous stuff - have any openers managed 2 two hundred stands in the same match?
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Two double century opening stands in this game! That can't happen too often ?
t20 coming up he's obviously practicing!!!
Can he get to 1,000 before end of May. Is there enough left in the game?
Can he get to 1,000 before end of May. Is there enough left in the game?
Well done guys and thanks for the bonus, Tres. The Grockles team should shoot up the table!
MAGNIFICENT victory.
Well done boys.
Who's rolling on the floor laughing now, Clarence?
Well done boys.
Quote:Clarence Parker
"If you've been reading here we are also fighting relegation with a poorly performing side."
Never a truer word spoken in jest.
Who's rolling on the floor laughing now, Clarence?
Great win.. happy days.
Miss the history stats in the back of the year book which were not in this years. It has to be the first time a 200 partnership by the openers surely.
Trescothick hit a century in each innings v Warwickshire in 2009 at Edgbaston 108 & 107 not out.
MT Class Act
Miss the history stats in the back of the year book which were not in this years. It has to be the first time a 200 partnership by the openers surely.
Trescothick hit a century in each innings v Warwickshire in 2009 at Edgbaston 108 & 107 not out.
MT Class Act
Durham have finished off Warwick's sterling rearguard action though. Why didn't it start before the last four got to the wicket ?
Still a top day and we're still in there fighting.
Onwards and upwards.
Still a top day and we're still in there fighting.
Onwards and upwards.
Not so Private Ryan...........
Can`t be too many matches in which two players have both taken their 500th first-class wicket.
Yorkshire`s Ryan Sidebottom did it in our first innings, and Steve Kirby, his former county colleague, did it in their second knock. His victim: Ryan Sidebottom.
Can`t be too many matches in which two players have both taken their 500th first-class wicket.
Yorkshire`s Ryan Sidebottom did it in our first innings, and Steve Kirby, his former county colleague, did it in their second knock. His victim: Ryan Sidebottom.
Great result fantastic batting well done skipper and good to see Arul getting into form as well
Somerset La La La
Wurz
Somerset La La La
Wurz
We have to enjoy days like this and players like Marcus.
When is his knighthood application going in?
When is his knighthood application going in?
Quote:Nailsea_Fizz
Tres - 3rd in the all time list of runs in a match
Yep - and just another 6 would have given him the record number of runs ever scored in a first class match for Somerset, overtaking Jamie Cox's 345 against Hants in 1999 and Justin Langer's 342 against Surrey in 2006. Congrats to Marcus and the whole side for a brilliant result.
KB
Perhaps our stats will be able to answer this - how many double century opening partnerships in the same match have there been in first class cricket?
It was a batting masterclass!!
I was privileged to see the last few hours and Tres was simply in a different class (again!). Arul was very watchful but batted well and later tok some big boundaries.
Saw TykesRUs on the Hill and commiserated - he must be very p****ed off that the last three years we have hit big scores to beat the last dig.
I was privileged to see the last few hours and Tres was simply in a different class (again!). Arul was very watchful but batted well and later tok some big boundaries.
Saw TykesRUs on the Hill and commiserated - he must be very p****ed off that the last three years we have hit big scores to beat the last dig.
An excellent game, a superb victory, the best team in the land....still.
Lots of questions answered today, I'd like to say that the tedious words have been well and truly stuffed down the squawking throats of the doombringers, but I'm in a good mood, so I won't.
Well done boys, now let's catch those upstarts and win this CC thing, we all know it's our property this year.
Relegation?
Stroll on.
Lots of questions answered today, I'd like to say that the tedious words have been well and truly stuffed down the squawking throats of the doombringers, but I'm in a good mood, so I won't.
Well done boys, now let's catch those upstarts and win this CC thing, we all know it's our property this year.
Relegation?
Stroll on.
Brilliant news when I got home this evening. Missed most of the run chase as was in the car on the way home from work. I thought I was doing well, saving my nerves in the run-chase - turned out it was a stroll.
Well played Banger, or Sir Banger of Keynsham as he will soon be. Excellent game for Arul, Hildy and the bowlers for taking 20 wickets.
Should be safe from relegation now - I even think we have a chance of finishing in the top half
Well played Banger, or Sir Banger of Keynsham as he will soon be. Excellent game for Arul, Hildy and the bowlers for taking 20 wickets.
Should be safe from relegation now - I even think we have a chance of finishing in the top half
Don't be too sure about that, Shep.
I'd like Charl to sort his batting out first and then see these pesky youngsters knock a few double centuries off before we get too carried away.
Let's be serious for a minute, we were lucky last season, we all know that, we really are a desperate, average side, masquerading as wannabee winners.
It's only a matter of time before we're found out.
**dons jesters hat to appear jolly and jovial**
As private Fraser would say.......
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I'd like Charl to sort his batting out first and then see these pesky youngsters knock a few double centuries off before we get too carried away.
Let's be serious for a minute, we were lucky last season, we all know that, we really are a desperate, average side, masquerading as wannabee winners.
It's only a matter of time before we're found out.
**dons jesters hat to appear jolly and jovial**
As private Fraser would say.......
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Great play by Arul in both knocks.
But Trescothick is a batting order on his own.
I even wondered after a couple of games if his eye was starting to go, but its great to see that normal service has been resumed!
But Trescothick is a batting order on his own.
I even wondered after a couple of games if his eye was starting to go, but its great to see that normal service has been resumed!
Quote:Ronniesabre
Then someone posts something like our tails better than theres nonsense so was just recating to that really
Your interpretation Ronnie - weren't you one of the posters moaning about this kind of stuff only 3 days ago.
You really need to go back and read the post. It simply states that our last four scored more than their last four. It says nothing else about who was better. That bit of 'nonsense' was entirely yours I'm afraid old bean.
:-)
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Very naughty Jim - it's not like Twitter, you know - I'd delete that before anyone else reads it.
Anyone heard from averageside? Oh, wait a minute, we had a brilliant win...
PS to TykesRus and other freinds in the north - sorry guys, hope you enjoyed your week in the south-west. Lucky Tregs didn't get a go this afternoon!
Anyone heard from averageside? Oh, wait a minute, we had a brilliant win...
PS to TykesRus and other freinds in the north - sorry guys, hope you enjoyed your week in the south-west. Lucky Tregs didn't get a go this afternoon!
A privilege to watch both of Trescos knocks in this match. When he's in this form he's head and shoulders above all other batsmen in the country. England's loss is most certainly Somerset's gain. Has it ever happened before that Somerset have had two double century opening stands in a match.
Enjoy every day this man leads this side people.
The only good thing about the afflication Marcus suffers from is that we get the opportunity to watch this gent bat on a regular basis without paying 90 odd notes a day for the honour.
Today MT would have been captaining England and putting someone else out of an international contract if things were different. Instead we get to see a true international great take apart a decent bowling attack as if they were second string bowlers.
We will not see his like many times in a lifetime of watching cricket and we are very honoured to be the county where he plies his trade.
Today was one of those special days you'll tell people about for years and there are more to come...ain't we lucky?
The only good thing about the afflication Marcus suffers from is that we get the opportunity to watch this gent bat on a regular basis without paying 90 odd notes a day for the honour.
Today MT would have been captaining England and putting someone else out of an international contract if things were different. Instead we get to see a true international great take apart a decent bowling attack as if they were second string bowlers.
We will not see his like many times in a lifetime of watching cricket and we are very honoured to be the county where he plies his trade.
Today was one of those special days you'll tell people about for years and there are more to come...ain't we lucky?
A quick post before I sort my photos out for posting.
An excellent result for Somerset I must give praise to Marcus & Arul for getting us across the line, and all the rest of the team.
This remark is for the two Grockle’s (one poster and one reader) who sat with me today, this is especially for the one who fills in his scorecard. When O Hannon-Dalby’s wicket fell the announcer and the scoreboard said Marcus Trescothick caught him at slip, I thought at the time James Hildreth had caught him at first slip, my photos made it look like the ball was going to James but I couldn’t be positive.
It now looks like we were correct at the time the scorecard on cricinfo shows it was James who caught him at slip.
An excellent result for Somerset I must give praise to Marcus & Arul for getting us across the line, and all the rest of the team.
This remark is for the two Grockle’s (one poster and one reader) who sat with me today, this is especially for the one who fills in his scorecard. When O Hannon-Dalby’s wicket fell the announcer and the scoreboard said Marcus Trescothick caught him at slip, I thought at the time James Hildreth had caught him at first slip, my photos made it look like the ball was going to James but I couldn’t be positive.
It now looks like we were correct at the time the scorecard on cricinfo shows it was James who caught him at slip.
What an excellent advertisement for 4 - day cricket, and neither side had an 'overseas' player in their ranks.
Well done to everyone involved - especially Marcus, Arul and James for their batting, also Steve and Gemaal for their 'match 5'fers.'
Up to 3rd place now.
Well done to everyone involved - especially Marcus, Arul and James for their batting, also Steve and Gemaal for their 'match 5'fers.'
Up to 3rd place now.
Mike - Cricinfo (presumably on an agency basis) immediately gave it to...Buttler! Then corrected themselves to Tres.
Rambling Sid
Yes the same question I asked - I wonder how often it has ever happened in first class cricket - never mind just Somerset. Most times I would guess the opening pair wouldn't have the opportunity to repeat the double hundred partnership a second time in same match due to time etc.
Yes the same question I asked - I wonder how often it has ever happened in first class cricket - never mind just Somerset. Most times I would guess the opening pair wouldn't have the opportunity to repeat the double hundred partnership a second time in same match due to time etc.
Shame Banger ended up just a few short of his 1000 before the end of May...
Quote:SheptonPaul
Mike - Cricinfo (presumably on an agency basis) immediately gave it to...Buttler! Then corrected themselves to Tres.
Paul they are now showing Hildreth.
OJ Hannon-Dalby c Hildreth b Hussain [www.espncricinfo.com]
It was a privelige to watched this game.The likely result ebbed and flowed as the game progressed with even the weather playing it's part in the likely outcome.After the disappointment of Hove last week head could easily of dropped but no such thing occurred.This was a fine all round team effort with even the sub fielder chipping in with a run out.
In the end it looks on paper as if we won at a canter but the end result was in doubt until Arul and Tres performed brilliantly this afternoon.
It was worth the price of membership just to watch this game.
Now what day does our next home game start?
21st July I'm told.
You must be joking!!!
In the end it looks on paper as if we won at a canter but the end result was in doubt until Arul and Tres performed brilliantly this afternoon.
It was worth the price of membership just to watch this game.
Now what day does our next home game start?
21st July I'm told.
You must be joking!!!
Quote:rambling sid
Has it ever happened before that Somerset have had two double century opening stands in a match.
I am not really a 'Stato', Sid, but according to a book I have relating to Somerset cricket records, and which was published in 1995, it had not occurred up until then.
This, in terms of being nearer to 200, was the closest that it got:-
[cricketarchive.com]
Whether it has ever happened before in any First Class match, I don't know.
Well, before the season started I stupidly thought we would have 8 games before T20 - I counted wrongly. My prediction was 4 wins, 1 draw and 3 defeats. We actually have produced 3 wins, 3 defeats and 1 draw. So not far from where I thought we'd be, albeit played one fewer game.
Somerset CCC v's Yorkshire CCC
Probably the best fixture in world cricket?
It goes back to 1901, these two teams just keep on serving up incredible games.
Maybe there should be a series, similar to the Ashes.
This is what cricket is all about......hats off to all of them.
Probably the best fixture in world cricket?
It goes back to 1901, these two teams just keep on serving up incredible games.
Maybe there should be a series, similar to the Ashes.
This is what cricket is all about......hats off to all of them.
As Grockle says today was a special day. A real day to remember.I have been lucky to have been a spectator at the last 3 Yorkshire games and each one has been special.
Also, a mention to the ground staff for producing a great pitch which gave assistance to both batters and bowlers and made for an exciting game. In fact very similar to the pitch for the game against Worcs. If the rest of the pitches are the same this season then we are in for an exciting summer.
Well done Arul, Marcus you were awesome.
Also, a mention to the ground staff for producing a great pitch which gave assistance to both batters and bowlers and made for an exciting game. In fact very similar to the pitch for the game against Worcs. If the rest of the pitches are the same this season then we are in for an exciting summer.
Well done Arul, Marcus you were awesome.
Day four and a triumphant day for Somerset photos.
A Rashid facing Arul Suppiah’s bowling, he deserves a mention in the second innings Arul bowled 14 overs and took 2 for 26.
A Shahzad escaping a lbw appeal off G Hussain, look like the pad is just outside off stump.
In amongst that mass of bodies is Jake Lintott after running out A Shahzad.
Marcus Trescothick hitting one of his 6’s.
Marcus is delighted on reaching 100 runs and he went on to pass 150, he has scored 978 first class runs at a average of 81.5
Handshakes all round after Somerset win the match and take 24 points and are joint third in the table, a nice place to be at the summer recess.
A Rashid facing Arul Suppiah’s bowling, he deserves a mention in the second innings Arul bowled 14 overs and took 2 for 26.
A Shahzad escaping a lbw appeal off G Hussain, look like the pad is just outside off stump.
In amongst that mass of bodies is Jake Lintott after running out A Shahzad.
Marcus Trescothick hitting one of his 6’s.
Marcus is delighted on reaching 100 runs and he went on to pass 150, he has scored 978 first class runs at a average of 81.5
Handshakes all round after Somerset win the match and take 24 points and are joint third in the table, a nice place to be at the summer recess.
BJ - totally agree with you about the Som-Yorks series.
Some may have forgetten the last home game prior to these wins when ZDB played a heroic innings as we came up just short, batting last. That, too, was a great game.
There have also been some good games at Headingley and North Marine Road over the past decade or so.
I love Som vs Yorks.
Some may have forgetten the last home game prior to these wins when ZDB played a heroic innings as we came up just short, batting last. That, too, was a great game.
There have also been some good games at Headingley and North Marine Road over the past decade or so.
I love Som vs Yorks.
I popped in for a couple of hours just after lunch, didn't want to leave but my 4 year old starts running riot if were there too long. Anyway I noticed this player(Jake Lintott) giving the bowlers plenty of encouragement. I missed the run out as was on way down to the ground fair play to the lad.
Great pics Mike.
Great pics Mike.
Banger saying Tango has developed an ankle problem.
Hopefully this is not too serious but the T20 should give him at least 3 weeks to sort it.
Hopefully this is not too serious but the T20 should give him at least 3 weeks to sort it.
I have a painting 22"x15" of the Yorksire game of 2002,taken at the river end by Jocelyn Goldswothy.It was presented to me by my former work colleagues after I had to give up work.
It has pride of place on the wall in front of my desk.
We won that game by 7 wickets with Marcus scoring a second ball duck in the first innings and 134 in the second.I.D.B.scored 114 in our first innings and in Yorks first innings A.R.Caddick 23.3/5/72/5 and in the second innings 26.4/6/73/3.I wonder what he's doing now.
It has pride of place on the wall in front of my desk.
We won that game by 7 wickets with Marcus scoring a second ball duck in the first innings and 134 in the second.I.D.B.scored 114 in our first innings and in Yorks first innings A.R.Caddick 23.3/5/72/5 and in the second innings 26.4/6/73/3.I wonder what he's doing now.
Quite right, BJ - I'd wager that Som v Yorks games have been much, much better cricket matches than Lancs v Yorks in recent years. I expect the media will cotton on to that in about 30 years time.
Grockle:
"Today was one of those special days you'll tell people about for years and there are more to come...ain't we lucky?"
From afar, I can only (wistfully) say yes you undoubtedly are !!
That must have been magnificent to watch & puts us in great stead for the 2nd half, after the T20 nonsense.
Great stuff !
Grizzzly
"Today was one of those special days you'll tell people about for years and there are more to come...ain't we lucky?"
From afar, I can only (wistfully) say yes you undoubtedly are !!
That must have been magnificent to watch & puts us in great stead for the 2nd half, after the T20 nonsense.
Great stuff !
Grizzzly
Hang on guys this is only one game!! Bit of an over reaction eh?
Seriously, great win and all the digs from the do gooders suitably ignored too!!
Happy days.
Seriously, great win and all the digs from the do gooders suitably ignored too!!
Happy days.
There are some things that will be sorted out by the T20 tournament but we will go into it with considerable confidence. let's hope we come out the other end stronger and ready for a big big fight with Lancs and others.
Psychologically this victory couldn't have been better because we have still not played our 'on paper' strongest side in this competition.
This must be devastating for Yorkshire, they weren't 10 wickets behind us in this game but they may struggle to stay in this division even though they have some really promising players.
Rashid was woeful. Root outbowled him from ball 1.
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Psychologically this victory couldn't have been better because we have still not played our 'on paper' strongest side in this competition.
This must be devastating for Yorkshire, they weren't 10 wickets behind us in this game but they may struggle to stay in this division even though they have some really promising players.
Rashid was woeful. Root outbowled him from ball 1.
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Today I had another letter from Pegasus. I only hope that if I live long enough to move into one, that there are still some days like today to savour.
...all the digs from the do gooders suitably ignored too!!
Ive no time for this glass full/empty nonsense.
Not sure which is the statement you want to stick by Ron but maybe if you stop referring to the nonsense you have no time for then the nonsense will stop and you won't have to have no time for it?
Ive no time for this glass full/empty nonsense.
Not sure which is the statement you want to stick by Ron but maybe if you stop referring to the nonsense you have no time for then the nonsense will stop and you won't have to have no time for it?
Interesting to research the cricketing background of Jake Lintott, the sub whose stunning pick up and direct-hit to remove Shahzad was such a vital part of the morning play. He seems to have arrived somewhat beneath the radar among the current crop of bright young Somerset prospects, but has a pedigree up there with the best of them.
Taunton-born and only just 18, he has already hit 78 from 65 balls batting at No.10 for the Seconds against a strong Surrey Second XI this season.
But it is his record at Queen`s College Taunton that is so impressive. Last summer he was only the second Queen`s player ever to pass 1,000 runs (1,045 at 69.66) in a season, and was the fifth highest scorer in schoolboy cricket in the country.
Add in 40 wickets at 12.82 from his left-arm spin (the fourth highest in the country), plus a hattrick against the MCC, and he had some summer.
Along with George Dockrell and Jack Leach, also from Taunton and currently at Cardiff University, we suddenly seem to have left-arm spinners under the age of 20 here, there and everywhere. And in Jake, we have one who can bat at the top of the order into the bargain.
Taunton-born and only just 18, he has already hit 78 from 65 balls batting at No.10 for the Seconds against a strong Surrey Second XI this season.
But it is his record at Queen`s College Taunton that is so impressive. Last summer he was only the second Queen`s player ever to pass 1,000 runs (1,045 at 69.66) in a season, and was the fifth highest scorer in schoolboy cricket in the country.
Add in 40 wickets at 12.82 from his left-arm spin (the fourth highest in the country), plus a hattrick against the MCC, and he had some summer.
Along with George Dockrell and Jack Leach, also from Taunton and currently at Cardiff University, we suddenly seem to have left-arm spinners under the age of 20 here, there and everywhere. And in Jake, we have one who can bat at the top of the order into the bargain.
Roy was saying that he had only been on the field about 10 minutes and hit the stumps after picking the ball up on the run.
They seem to be coming thick and fast don't they?
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They seem to be coming thick and fast don't they?
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Hang on guys this is only one game!! Bit of an over reaction eh?
Seriously, great win and all the digs from the do gooders suitably ignored too!!
Happy days.
Yeah, you're right, maybe we should close the curtains, kick the cat and stick pins in little dolls of people enjoying themselves.
It's only one game you daft people, stop celebrating...what's wrong with you.....dashed nonsense celebrating a victory.
Now, where's the councils phone number....it's nearly one o clock, there must be something to complain about.
Ethel.....bring me that telephone.....youngsters these days.....
So, we've clearly got Arul into form.
Can we try and keep him there by involving him properly in T20?
How about a 'flexible 3,' arrangement?
Marcus and Pete or Craig open. If wkt falls in powerplay, then whichever of Craig/Pete did not open comes out. If powerplay is over when first wkt falls send Arul out?
Can we try and keep him there by involving him properly in T20?
How about a 'flexible 3,' arrangement?
Marcus and Pete or Craig open. If wkt falls in powerplay, then whichever of Craig/Pete did not open comes out. If powerplay is over when first wkt falls send Arul out?
'It was relentless stuff and wondered whether he was human.'
Official YCCC report on the game/our leader.
Official YCCC report on the game/our leader.
I agree about Arul, AG, but if you are being realistic he is probably one of this week`s cc team who may not even make the T20 side against Hampshire next Wednesday.
You are certainly going to have to find room for Craig K., Alfonso and Murali, possibly another spinner (George if he is ready or Max), or another aggressive batter in Craig Meschede.
Willow obviously won`t play and they would be wise to rest Steve if he was an ankle niggle. You surely have to keep Lewis Gregory in, but if you need to find two extra places it could rest between Alex Barrow, Gemaal Hussain and Arul dropping out.
And waiting in the wings - Kieron Pollard.
You are certainly going to have to find room for Craig K., Alfonso and Murali, possibly another spinner (George if he is ready or Max), or another aggressive batter in Craig Meschede.
Willow obviously won`t play and they would be wise to rest Steve if he was an ankle niggle. You surely have to keep Lewis Gregory in, but if you need to find two extra places it could rest between Alex Barrow, Gemaal Hussain and Arul dropping out.
And waiting in the wings - Kieron Pollard.
Quote:Big Jim
Somerset CCC v's Yorkshire CCC
Probably the best fixture in world cricket?
It goes back to 1901, these two teams just keep on serving up incredible games.
Maybe there should be a series, similar to the Ashes.
This is what cricket is all about......hats off to all of them.
1901?
My brother and I were taking on the Tykes ten years prior to that although, as one can see, without much success!
[cricketarchive.com]
That was the first ever fixture between us, but we gained revenge by way of a 6 wicket victory later in the season at Bradford Park Avenue.
Somerset is way, way behind Yorkshire in the number of victories achieved, but thankfully results have swung dramatically in our favour over the last few years.
Long may that continue, and what an eventful match that must have been to watch at Taunton over the past four days.
Does anybody know the whereabouts of LoL? I have a predilection for his contributions, and have understandably missed them recently.
Think it would be great to squeeze Arul into the 2020 team, although there's probably about 13 people I'd want playing.
He offers extra spin if needed, brilliant fielding, is a proper batsmen, and yet last year also hit two onto the roof in one of the later games coming in in the last couple of overs.
He offers extra spin if needed, brilliant fielding, is a proper batsmen, and yet last year also hit two onto the roof in one of the later games coming in in the last couple of overs.
Those were the days, Palairet.
Not only did our best-known player play Test cricket for both Australia and England, but the Yorkshire captain was a member of the House of Lords.
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Not only did our best-known player play Test cricket for both Australia and England, but the Yorkshire captain was a member of the House of Lords.
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Not our captain in that game, cjm. That honour was bestowed upon 'The Colonel' - Herbie Hewett.
Lord Hawke was of course not born in Yorkshire; one of the very few up until recent times!
Lord Hawke was of course not born in Yorkshire; one of the very few up until recent times!
cjm - I wouldn't be looking at Hussain for T20, personally.
And I doubt management would be looking at Alex Barrow playing many T20 games.
I'd think Arul might be in a scrap with Craig M for a place. But I just don't think it's a great idea to either not pick Arul or have him in a position where he comes in only for a 5 ball slog-fest. After all, we've just put back to back 200 run opening stands and I would think that should count as a massive plus point on which we should be seeking to build. I think there is some second team cricket during the T20 period this time, but I'm not sure it's of a sufficient standard to keep Arul sharp ... might be too easy for him.
I'd think management's first-choice side might be something like;
Marcus
Craig
Pete
Compton
Hildreth
Buttler
Meschede/Arul
Gregory
Alf
Kartik
Dockrell/Waller
Obviously, Pollard will get a place for the 2nd half. I'd think the place he will take would either be Meschede/Arul place or Compton's.
Although if you go with Arul in the side, you might decide that you don't need a second specialist spinner, in which case Pollard might take the Dockrell/Waller spot.
And I doubt management would be looking at Alex Barrow playing many T20 games.
I'd think Arul might be in a scrap with Craig M for a place. But I just don't think it's a great idea to either not pick Arul or have him in a position where he comes in only for a 5 ball slog-fest. After all, we've just put back to back 200 run opening stands and I would think that should count as a massive plus point on which we should be seeking to build. I think there is some second team cricket during the T20 period this time, but I'm not sure it's of a sufficient standard to keep Arul sharp ... might be too easy for him.
I'd think management's first-choice side might be something like;
Marcus
Craig
Pete
Compton
Hildreth
Buttler
Meschede/Arul
Gregory
Alf
Kartik
Dockrell/Waller
Obviously, Pollard will get a place for the 2nd half. I'd think the place he will take would either be Meschede/Arul place or Compton's.
Although if you go with Arul in the side, you might decide that you don't need a second specialist spinner, in which case Pollard might take the Dockrell/Waller spot.
Marcus may be getting all the plaudits but a huge amount of credit for this victory must go to our frontline seam triumverate who really stuck at their task.
Bowling at Taunton is not easy and Willoughby, Kirby and Hussein got through a load of work as they have done all season, without the support of a frontline spinner.
They've stayed fit and got us to a situation where we're still in contention with Kartik and Thomas now back in the frame. Had any of them got injured or really lost form it would have been tricky.
I know Hussain has been criticised but he has taken wickets in conditions that are tougher than Bristol in division two.
Kartik will surely come in for Gregory in the CC who has potential, but is contributing little at the moment.
As regards Thomas, well I think he needs to show himself in the one dayers as it would be a bit harsh to drop one of our three main seamers as things stand.
Bowling at Taunton is not easy and Willoughby, Kirby and Hussein got through a load of work as they have done all season, without the support of a frontline spinner.
They've stayed fit and got us to a situation where we're still in contention with Kartik and Thomas now back in the frame. Had any of them got injured or really lost form it would have been tricky.
I know Hussain has been criticised but he has taken wickets in conditions that are tougher than Bristol in division two.
Kartik will surely come in for Gregory in the CC who has potential, but is contributing little at the moment.
As regards Thomas, well I think he needs to show himself in the one dayers as it would be a bit harsh to drop one of our three main seamers as things stand.
I'm not so sure about that. Only Kirby has really had a good strike-rate this season. The rest have not been particulary consistent in terms of their penetration thus far.
I think Alf will come straight back in. Assuming Kirby is fit for Edgbaston then I'd think Alf would replace Hussain.
In general, for the second half of the season, we might possibly find that the four main seamers rotate into three first team places but at the moment then, if fit, the one that would not be rotated out would be Kirby. Apart from anything else, anytime I see a comment from Brian Rose this season, it almost always includes 'Kirby bowled well.'
I think Alf will come straight back in. Assuming Kirby is fit for Edgbaston then I'd think Alf would replace Hussain.
In general, for the second half of the season, we might possibly find that the four main seamers rotate into three first team places but at the moment then, if fit, the one that would not be rotated out would be Kirby. Apart from anything else, anytime I see a comment from Brian Rose this season, it almost always includes 'Kirby bowled well.'
As BristolRob said, it was a privilege to spend four days at Taunton – actually 3 ¾, because I had to leave before the end; but who's counting?
And as FE said, it was a magnificent victory – all the more commendable, in my view because Yorkshire, who are a good side, played well and fought hard. Somerset's opening partnerships were the result of peerless batting by Trescothick and excellent support from Suppiah, rather than – with the possible exception of Rashid, who disappointed – poor bowling by Yorkshire (something which should be borne in mind next time two batsmen put together a large partnership against our bowlers).
Trescothick not only scored quickly, but avoided unnecessary risks to ensure that he put his side into a winning position in the first innings and took his side to victory in the second. He really is a giant among men.
Hildreth also batted very well. The runs he put on with the lower order – and the support they gave him – were crucial.
All the bowlers had good spells. Hussain looked more threatening than he had done at Hove.
Football managers talk about playing for ninety minutes. I am sure that Andy Hurry makes the same point; and this was illustrated for me by three incidents yesterday. Bairstow edged the third ball of the day low to Buttler's right: a 'keeper who wasn't alert could well have dropped it, but Buttler (who kept well throughout) caught it comfortably. At the very end of the morning session, with minds inevitably turning to the afternoon session, Kirby produced an irresistible yorker which burst through Sidebottom's defence. The third moment - as cjm has already described – came shortly after Jake Lintott came on to field. The ball was pushed towards his right-hand and nine times out of ten, the batsmen would have got home for a single. Lintott must have been in this position on countless occasions during fielding drills; but this was for real. His response? He picked the ball up on his wrong side and in one flowing movement threw down the stumps with his left-hand, with Shahzad inches short of his ground – a moment which arguably changed the course of a match which was beginning to drift towards a draw.
Congratulations to the groundstaff for producing a wicket which rewarded both good batting and good bowling.
Finally, my enjoyment of the match was enhanced by the company around me, including Grockles' contributors and readers, parents of two of the players, and a gentleman who reminisced to me about growing up watching Hobbs and Sandham open the batting for Surrey and another who told me that he remembered seeing Arthur Wellard play in 1936 (which makes him 75 years a Somerset supporter).
And as FE said, it was a magnificent victory – all the more commendable, in my view because Yorkshire, who are a good side, played well and fought hard. Somerset's opening partnerships were the result of peerless batting by Trescothick and excellent support from Suppiah, rather than – with the possible exception of Rashid, who disappointed – poor bowling by Yorkshire (something which should be borne in mind next time two batsmen put together a large partnership against our bowlers).
Trescothick not only scored quickly, but avoided unnecessary risks to ensure that he put his side into a winning position in the first innings and took his side to victory in the second. He really is a giant among men.
Hildreth also batted very well. The runs he put on with the lower order – and the support they gave him – were crucial.
All the bowlers had good spells. Hussain looked more threatening than he had done at Hove.
Football managers talk about playing for ninety minutes. I am sure that Andy Hurry makes the same point; and this was illustrated for me by three incidents yesterday. Bairstow edged the third ball of the day low to Buttler's right: a 'keeper who wasn't alert could well have dropped it, but Buttler (who kept well throughout) caught it comfortably. At the very end of the morning session, with minds inevitably turning to the afternoon session, Kirby produced an irresistible yorker which burst through Sidebottom's defence. The third moment - as cjm has already described – came shortly after Jake Lintott came on to field. The ball was pushed towards his right-hand and nine times out of ten, the batsmen would have got home for a single. Lintott must have been in this position on countless occasions during fielding drills; but this was for real. His response? He picked the ball up on his wrong side and in one flowing movement threw down the stumps with his left-hand, with Shahzad inches short of his ground – a moment which arguably changed the course of a match which was beginning to drift towards a draw.
Congratulations to the groundstaff for producing a wicket which rewarded both good batting and good bowling.
Finally, my enjoyment of the match was enhanced by the company around me, including Grockles' contributors and readers, parents of two of the players, and a gentleman who reminisced to me about growing up watching Hobbs and Sandham open the batting for Surrey and another who told me that he remembered seeing Arthur Wellard play in 1936 (which makes him 75 years a Somerset supporter).
"Somerset's opening partnerships were the result of peerless batting by Trescothick and excellent support from Suppiah, rather than – with the possible exception of Rashid, who disappointed – poor bowling by Yorkshire (something which should be borne in mind next time two batsmen put together a large partnership against our bowlers). "
I'm sure some of the opposing openers have played well at times.
I think it's fairly clear,though, that Andy Hurry, at least, has been of the opinion that our bowling at the start of innings this season is one of the areas at which we need to get better.
I'm sure some of the opposing openers have played well at times.
I think it's fairly clear,though, that Andy Hurry, at least, has been of the opinion that our bowling at the start of innings this season is one of the areas at which we need to get better.
The T20 conundrum is sorted easily. Don't play George or Max - they seem to be the ones people are trying to get into the side
Trecothick
Kieswetter
Trego
Hildreth
Buttler
Suppiah
Compton
Gregory
Kartik
Thomas
Kirby
Arul is you second spinner. He is the man bowling in form. If you want to add another specialist then rest Compton and he should be rested when Pollard gets here.
He's become a better CB40 player - he isn't a T20 player yet.
Trecothick
Kieswetter
Trego
Hildreth
Buttler
Suppiah
Compton
Gregory
Kartik
Thomas
Kirby
Arul is you second spinner. He is the man bowling in form. If you want to add another specialist then rest Compton and he should be rested when Pollard gets here.
He's become a better CB40 player - he isn't a T20 player yet.
Hey BJ you can give it out but can't take matey.
Good to see!!!
Reel em in reel em in!
Good to see!!!
Reel em in reel em in!
No offence Ronnie, but I don't think you have the slightest clue what you're talking about....I'd stick to your "this is nonsense" posts if I were you, at least that way you can join in with the grown ups.
Quote:ronnies
Hey BJ you can give it out but can't take matey.
Good to see!!!
Reel em in reel em in!
Quote:PalairetQuote:Big Jim
Somerset CCC v's Yorkshire CCC
Probably the best fixture in world cricket?
It goes back to 1901, these two teams just keep on serving up incredible games.
Maybe there should be a series, similar to the Ashes.
This is what cricket is all about......hats off to all of them.
1901?
My brother and I were taking on the Tykes ten years prior to that although, as one can see, without much success!
[cricketarchive.com]
That was the first ever fixture between us, but we gained revenge by way of a 6 wicket victory later in the season at Bradford Park Avenue.
Somerset is way, way behind Yorkshire in the number of victories achieved, but thankfully results have swung dramatically in our favour over the last few years.
Long may that continue, and what an eventful match that must have been to watch at Taunton over the past four days.
Does anybody know the whereabouts of LoL? I have a predilection for his contributions, and have understandably missed them recently.
Aye, that is true, but I was referring to the two games played in the 1901 season, when we nearly did the double over the all conquering Yorkshire team.
The game played at Taunton, Braund's game, sounds like a gem, not unlike the last few games we've played against the White Rose County.
Except that they won.
But we got them back later that season when some rather well known batsmen scored heavily.
I think LoL still has the scorecard for that one, I think he had it signed by players from both sides.
no offence taken Jim, hope you dont take any either.
The way you post for you to talk about grown ups etc takes the biscuit IMO.
You can't take it but can dish it out as I said so take it on the chin and move on, but as I say no offence like.
The way you post for you to talk about grown ups etc takes the biscuit IMO.
You can't take it but can dish it out as I said so take it on the chin and move on, but as I say no offence like.
What's the matter Ronnie, still uspet we won?
I'd go and get the little dolls out.....all this half empty stuff is obviously getting to you.
I'd go and get the little dolls out.....all this half empty stuff is obviously getting to you.
Quote:ronnies
no offence taken Jim, hope you dont take any either.
The way you post for you to talk about grown ups etc takes the biscuit IMO.
You can't take it but can dish it out as I said so take it on the chin and move on, but as I say no offence like.
Just out of interest Ronnie, and I won't ask again because I'm sure none of us want to see this thread ruined by bickering, can you please point out just what you "dished out"?
I've just re-read it all and I have to admit, I can't see it.
Or are we all to assume that you are just an "ironic sort of guy" and we're all a bit too dense for your anarchic sense of humour?
There seems to be a few posts of yours, one which was picked up by at least one other person, where you seem to be a little muddled.
That's all, I like a bit of clarity you see.
I've just re-read it all and I have to admit, I can't see it.
Or are we all to assume that you are just an "ironic sort of guy" and we're all a bit too dense for your anarchic sense of humour?
There seems to be a few posts of yours, one which was picked up by at least one other person, where you seem to be a little muddled.
That's all, I like a bit of clarity you see.
Records continue to emerge from this remarkable match - 679 is the highest aggregate number of runs Yorkshire have totalled in their 148-year history in a match they have lost by ten wickets.
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Perhaps our stats will be able to answer this - how many double century opening partnerships in the same match have there been in first class cricket?
Don't know for sure, old boy, but this is the only one that I have been able to find:-
[cricketarchive.com]
As I have previously stated, I am certain that prior to last Friday, no other Somerset players have achieved the feat.
Somebody else had the same thought as you 'Old boy' [www.itsonlycricket.com]
Graeme Smith has several large opening partnerships in test matches some I believe over 300 but I don't think he had two in the same match.
Glad to hear that LoL is OK.
Can anyone in his vicinity encourage him to make a welcome return to Grockles ?!
Grizzzly
Can anyone in his vicinity encourage him to make a welcome return to Grockles ?!
Grizzzly
Thanks Clarence
Perhaps I should have added to make the question as follows:
same opening pair making 200+ partnership in each innings and their team wins the match.
The point being that surely in most cases, if it occured, it would probably have been part of a high scoring draw.
I would doubt whether there have been many, if any, meeting the criteria of my question.
Perhaps I should have added to make the question as follows:
same opening pair making 200+ partnership in each innings and their team wins the match.
The point being that surely in most cases, if it occured, it would probably have been part of a high scoring draw.
I would doubt whether there have been many, if any, meeting the criteria of my question.
For those of you who spent some time debating the catching of Hanon-Dalby I thought 'd stick this on from one of the commentators on at the time;
Have just been reading the comments on Grockles. Particularly interested that there was debate about who caught Hannon-Dalby. If your correspondents had been listening to the SCCC ball-by-ball commentary, they would have known right away that it was James!! They would also have been informed that we needed 228 to win, and that the scoreboard and PA got it wrong by saying 229!! They did correct it just before the innings started, although we had of course already told our listeners that the board was wrong!! What else do you expect with a recently retired accountant in the box?
There's BBC Leeds and then there's the home grown stuff :p)
Have just been reading the comments on Grockles. Particularly interested that there was debate about who caught Hannon-Dalby. If your correspondents had been listening to the SCCC ball-by-ball commentary, they would have known right away that it was James!! They would also have been informed that we needed 228 to win, and that the scoreboard and PA got it wrong by saying 229!! They did correct it just before the innings started, although we had of course already told our listeners that the board was wrong!! What else do you expect with a recently retired accountant in the box?
There's BBC Leeds and then there's the home grown stuff :p)
Mr and Mrs Kartik on their way from Heathrow to the Mighty T. Our King of Spin is on UK soil again and will soon be kissing the Somerset soil once more.
He says he will be trying his 'bestest as always'. Can't ask more than that.
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He says he will be trying his 'bestest as always'. Can't ask more than that.
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Perhaps a better idea would be for the scoreboard operator to listen to the commentary. 
Well, old boy, I looked at an old reference book to find that one - 'The Wisden Book of Cricket Records' which was compiled by the late Bill Frindall and published in 1980.
It lists every 'First - Wicket Hundred Partnership in both innings' in First Class cricket - even some, where there was a change of partner in the second innings.
There were only three where the first innings partnership had exceeded 200, and only the one that I quoted where the partnership had been in excess of 200 in both innings.
Yes, that match was drawn, but unless the feat has been done again since 1980, then it is the only other one apart from the Trescothick / Suppiah one of last week.
I don't know whether it has been achieved again since 1980, old boy, but in answer to your question, it has never happened before on a Friday afternoon in England in May.
It lists every 'First - Wicket Hundred Partnership in both innings' in First Class cricket - even some, where there was a change of partner in the second innings.
There were only three where the first innings partnership had exceeded 200, and only the one that I quoted where the partnership had been in excess of 200 in both innings.
Yes, that match was drawn, but unless the feat has been done again since 1980, then it is the only other one apart from the Trescothick / Suppiah one of last week.
Quote:old boy!
"Perhaps I should have added to make the question as follows: - same opening pair making 200+ partnership in each innings and their team wins the match.
"I would doubt whether there have been many, if any, meeting the criteria of my question."
I don't know whether it has been achieved again since 1980, old boy, but in answer to your question, it has never happened before on a Friday afternoon in England in May.
Cheers Grizz, that was quite beautiful to watch, this cold, wet, windy West Wales evening.
There are now five instances of double-century opening stands in both innings of a FC match:
Auckland 220 & 286 -v- Canterbury at Eden Park, Auckland, 1949
West Zone 256 & 201 -v- South Zone at Wankhede Stadium, Bombay, 1986
Nottinghamshire 222 & 282 -v- Kent at Trent Bridge, Nottingham, 1989
Essex 227 & 220 -v- Northamptonshire at County Ground, Northampton, 1990
Somerset 257 & 228 -v- Yorkshire at County Ground, Taunton, 2011
Note that Notts lost the match in which they achieved the feat. Also, that Soms are the only side ever to do it batting second.
Auckland 220 & 286 -v- Canterbury at Eden Park, Auckland, 1949
West Zone 256 & 201 -v- South Zone at Wankhede Stadium, Bombay, 1986
Nottinghamshire 222 & 282 -v- Kent at Trent Bridge, Nottingham, 1989
Essex 227 & 220 -v- Northamptonshire at County Ground, Northampton, 1990
Somerset 257 & 228 -v- Yorkshire at County Ground, Taunton, 2011
Note that Notts lost the match in which they achieved the feat. Also, that Soms are the only side ever to do it batting second.
Thank you, Keith's Sweater, for your research.
It's amazing to think that in the 31 years that have passed since 1980 (when the above - mentioned reference book was published) there have been a further four instances, as opposed to just one in the 85 or so years of First Class cricket prior to 1949.
It's amazing to think that in the 31 years that have passed since 1980 (when the above - mentioned reference book was published) there have been a further four instances, as opposed to just one in the 85 or so years of First Class cricket prior to 1949.
Covering of pitches, Clarence?
3 of the 4 instances since 1980 have been in our cricket.
3 of the 4 instances since 1980 have been in our cricket.
Many thanks, KS. I can't begin to imagine how you research this sort of information.
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