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CC1 Stand or Fall?


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By Grockle
July 23 2011

The CC hots up and we have no more time to prepare for the run in to the end of the season.  if we wish to compete in the ultimate domestic competition we need to do it from this game to the end of the season.  No-one seems to be more aware of this than Mr Steve Kirby. Any allowance to Durham will make the gap too big and only as near to a maximum bonus point victory will keep us in the hunt with a number of other counties - who have to fail somewhere along the line.  The 2011 CC1 campaign has to be full on!!

v Durham CC1 @ Taunton Thursday 21 July 2011

Scorecard

Commentary - press Murali Kartik's nose in the picture at the top of the forum pages

The side selected for this game starts to show some strength in depth as players who are not injured are left out  - a very rare occurance in our 2011 season. 

Trescothick, Suppiah, Compton, Hildreth, Jones, Kieswetter, Trego, Thomas, Kartik, Kirby, Willoughby

No place for Jos Buttler as Chris Jones keeps his Championship place and with injuries to Lewis Gregory and Gemaal Hussain there are few slectorial decisions to make.

Durham won the toss and chose to field in overcast conditions. With rain in the air you have to assume that they wanted to make the most of favourable conditions for bowlers on the first morning but they included Claydon instead of Borthwick so they did not expect the spinning pitch that some Somerset contacts were suggesting had been prepared.

After about an hour they probably wondered whether their decision had been right as Suppiah took the fight to the Durham attack before his skipper got the chance.  The fact that that hour took place before Tea on a rain affected first day helped little as the home side romped to 68 off 16 before the interval.    Arul did finally go 2 short of a three figure partnership but after he reached his own half ton but his replacement Compo continued the scoring as his skipper also started to move into a higher gear against an attack where Claydon stood out like a lighthouse while his team mates gave him very little support with the ball.  Trescothick was outscored by his partners to 50 both times and when Claydon did for Nick on 56 we had well over 200 on the board and were going well.  Then, the usual seemed to happen.  While The Boss stood tall at one end and dispatched shoddy material to the boundary, his fellow batsmen started and then wilted one after another.  Jones to be fair got a brute of a ball from Claydon to go for 13 at 261 but Hilda made 11, CK made little more.  The big man finally went to arch-nemesis IDB, caught at the wicket trying to cut a close one for 163 by which time we were in the 330's.  500 had looked on but by then 400 had become the probable target.

When Trego went for 22 even that looked doubtful. 360 for 7 with Alf and MK facing?  Could we reach maximum batting points even?  Of course we could!  The two lower order men put bat to bad ball and plonked it to the boundary with regularity and at the end of Day 1 we were past the 400 figure without more loss. 409 for 7. Still short of what should have been and still with a worrying tendancy for middle order collapse but we were still there.

Day 2

We hoped for more but didn't expect it but when Alfonso went we were only 4 away from 450.  When his partner Kartik went we were 18 beyond it and Steve took it up another 12 before Charl inevitably perished.  480 on the board was nearer to what had been expected and we were up for a follow on situation.  We had to keep Durham's reply below 330 for this to be of any use to us.

Di Venuto and Smith started brightly against some sharp bowling from Charl and some inspired and highly aggressive bowling from Steve K.  To say Tango was unlucky was an understatement and he finally got his reward when DV fired one into the hands of Suppiah on the Somerset Stand boundary after being tied up by one and then given a bit of room by the next.  84 for 1.  Muchall came in and played two quite confident boundary shots and then nicked a Kirby blinder to MK and it was 92 for 2.  In came Collingwood and he and Smith held the fort until the end of play to leave the field with 150 on the Durham side of the board.  They looked in little trouble against our spinner but they weren't getting him far off the cut strip.  However it did look like an improving weather picture would simply unfold on a flat pitch and an inevitable draw.

Day 3

Dawns with Collingwood's wicket from the first ball of the second over courtesy of Charl Willoughby. Benkenstein and Smith only added another 7 before they both fell, Smith finally to the spinner after solid but pretty unimpressive defence against him and then his partner at the same score caught in front by Thomas.  This is the start of a hell of a spell from our errant bowler as he then proceeds to remove Mustard as the visitors just pass 200, Blackwell to a roar from the crowd (daft shot given the circumstances - shades of days gone by I'm afraid) at 208 clean bowled and Claydon caught by the skipper in the slips after Kartik had removed Thorp in between.  Durham lost 7 for 70 in short order and at luch go in with only Harmison and Onions left and still 280 behind.

After the break it doesn't take too long before Harminson is LBW to Trego and we enforce the follow on.  They are still 280 behind and the game is most definitely on.

More fire from Kirby greets the Durham openers again and one more he is really unlucky.  Unfortunately Di Venuto and Smith weather the storm and as the temperature rises and the wicket flattens they two men accumulate runs and we turn more and more to spin from both men (MK and AS).  Di Venuto reaches 50 just after his side reaches 100 without loss and Smith is not far behind him on 47.  The session after Tea has the look of a long afternoon in the field for the Somerset men unless something in the environment changes (not likely) or someone takes the game by the scruff of the neck.

And so it developed.  Little in the pitch, nothing particular in the air and two men determined to take no risks whatsoever with the ball until the deficit was removed.  Smith and Di Venuto almost made it to stumps without a hiccup (except for a bit of a swing and miss by DV to a ball that did not get up enough).  But Marcus threw the dice once more and re-introduced Steve Kirby just before the close and he managed to entice the Tasmanian to have a go at a ball that was there for the taking.  Unfortunately he top edged it rather than guided it and instead of going well over the top of the slips it went straight into James Hildreth's outstretched hands and the partnership was broken with a century beckoning for the Durham opener.

Smith reached his century (an excellent game from the man) as Claydon was sent out to support him to the close.  209 for 1 at the end of Day 3 and a crucial phase of Somerset's CC1 season starts at 11 on Day 4.

Day 4

Overcast and looking juicy for the seam men!  A few overs of Kirby and Willoughby show that looks can be deceiving and there is little happening out there with a ball coming to the end of its life.  The Boss turns to Kartik to do something from the OP while bringing Alfonso on at the River and the grinding down of Durham's resistance continues but it is looking like a long old day once more.

Then relief as Smith, found wanting earlier in the over but lucky in the outcome, snicks one to the skipper himself and departs for 114.  Will Smith can look back on this game as a good one irrespective of the result.  He has done his job in both innings but at 247 the defecit is still there and they are -13 for 2.

Claydon, looking better in the morning session than he had at the end of Day 3, becomes the target man because if we can open his end before the new man Muchall gets in.  At 273 it's Muchall who fails, to a slightly dodgy LBW - though I can't say from my vantage point.  The Durham man was not impressed but out he must go.  13 for 3...will the floodgates open as Claydon (37) continues the dogged defence and is joined by Collingwood.

The nightwatchman's resistance finally fails 9 runs later after only adding one more himself as he is adjudged LBW to Charl at 282 for an excellent 38.  Benkenstein joins Collingwood having done very little in the first innings - unusual for the second highest scorer in CC1 cricket this season - but it doesn't get any better for him as his middle stump is fired out of the ground by Thomas before he bothers the scorers this time either and Durham start to crumple at 285 for 5.  Collingwood has a right to look a little quizzically at the decision that sends him on his way at 293...it might have been coming in but it didn't look certain and umpire O'Shaugnessy took and age to decide his fate.  Nevertheless it is 6 down and the big pairing of Blackwell and Mustard are together at the crease with an absolute hill to climb.

The 300 arrives but there is only another 9 added before a faster one from Thomas extracts some extra bounce from the pitch, takes the edge off the shoulder of IDB's bat and flies into the outstretched hands of the skipper.  309 for 7 becomes 319 for 8 when Mustard cuts one but not hard enough and gives an easy catch to Compton at point..there for exactly that shot.  Mustard looks to the heavens and we look to a maximum points win as Onions joins Thorp at the wicket with only 59 runs ahead and only Steve Harmison waiting in the wings with the pads on.

Thorp goes at 330 after being dropped earlier by a diving Trescothick trying to snatch a catch at second slip that would have gone straight to first.  70 in front and the last two at the crease, loads of overs to go and plenty of dry weather available before Tea. 

But Durham, Graham and Steve had other ideas....

Despite excellent tight, straight bowling from many of the Somerset men, the two Durham bowlers take every opportunity they get, hit every loose ball for runs and miss everything thrown at them.  With half an hour to go until the break, they have added 48 in a great co-operative partnership and when finally Harmison's luck runs out and he sweeps a ball into Kirby's hands on the Somerset Stand boundary an audible sigh of relief flows around the ground but we have 119 to get rather than 71.  Really good tail end fighting.

Somerset move through the 6 overs before the Tea interval carefully and go in with 30 on the board BUT crucially no wickets lost.  After the break, Onions tries everything he knows at the OP while IDB wheels away at the River looking for chinks and teasing the batsmen to take a chance down the leg side.  Arul is using his wrists the way he does when he feels in touch and the Boss looks in charge until he chops on with 25 to his name and 41 on the board.  But his place is taken by a hugely positive Nick Compton who comes out to get Arul in strike and to take on the Durham field at every opportunity.

His running is really good and incisive, especially taking on Graham Onions on the very long Caddick Pavilion boundary for more thanone 3.  Meanwhile, every time Arul gets the chance he sweeps and drives wide balls past the infield to the boundary.  Soon the total runs needed is down below 50 and Blackwell is finding it hard to contain the batsmen.  A huge six off him to the Somerset puts the penultimate nail in the coffin and very soon after that the last run is scored and we have the maximum points and the big win over a rivel that was required.

A 9 wicket victory over a close competitor with Arul  finishing on 66 fro 61 balls with 9 fours and a six. This tops a really good all round peformance with the ball, Steve Kirby being the unlucky pick of our bowlers but the damage being done by Alfonso and Charl with useful contributions from almost everyone else.

The batting relied on Marcus to some extent but with strong support from Arul and Nick and some spirited defensive work from Alf and the K's (Murali and Steve) at the end of the first dig.

We go to New Road to try and ensure we don't get relegated and should we win there we'll move on to see if we can win it instead.  Brilliant start to CC1 Phase 2. 

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CC1 Stand or Fall?
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23/07/2011 15:12
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Somerset v Durham
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
20/07/2011 14:18
Durham have named 13 for the CC1 match starting tomorrow

Di Venuto
Smith
Muchall
Collingwood
Benkenstein
Blackwell
Mustard (c/w)
Borthwick
Thorp
Onions
Plunkett
Harmison
Claydon



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011:07:21:20:40:32 by Grockle.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
20/07/2011 14:25
They'll need them all.



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
20/07/2011 14:27
Will you be there LoL? I believe that is the only reason Collingwood has agreed to come to Taunton.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
20/07/2011 14:40
There should be no reason not to start on time tomorrow unless there is a lot more rain, Durham are playing football (watch those injuries) on the outfield.

The pitch will be far over towards the flats if the position of the sightscreen in the Botham Stand is anything to go by.

Let’s hope for a dry day/match.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
20/07/2011 15:08
My mate Colly and I have promised to drink Taunton dry tomorrow evening. We shan't need any help from that slowcoach IDB.



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
BristolRob (IP Logged)
20/07/2011 15:14
I hear they do a good pint of Taunton dry in The Plough.



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2011 17:42
Ball By Ball Rota

Log on by clicking on the face of |Murali Kartik at the top of every page of the forum.

Day One-
Session1- Bill Luckett and Dick Macey. 2- Paul Harper and Eric Cole.3- Roy Kerslake and John Hamlin

Day Two-
Session 1-Julian Cattenach and John Hamlin.2- Paul Harper and Chris Stone.3- Paul Bird and Chris Doyle.

Day Three-
Session 1- Julian Cattenach and Paul Harper.2-Eric Cole and John Hamlin.3- Paul Bird and Roy Kerslake

Day Four-
Session 1- Eric Cole and TBC. 2- Julian Cattenach and TBC. 3- Paul Bird and Roy Kerslake.



(Sm72)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
20/07/2011 18:03
Having a day off tomorrow then.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Scrumper (IP Logged)
20/07/2011 18:24
Our 11...

Marcus Trescothick, Arul Suppiah, Nick Compton, Chris Jones, James Hildreth, Craig Kieswetter, Pete Trego, Alfonso Thomas, Murali Kartik, Steve Kirby and Charl Willoughby

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2011 18:43
Yep gotta take a bunch of Devonshire nutters paintballing!! Be there before the end of the day though



(Sm72)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
20/07/2011 20:25
On present form and pedigree that looks like our strongest team. Pity that Buttler has to miss out, but he should be back if/when CK plays in the ODIs against India.



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2011 20:55
Yeah, I think that team selection is what the Americans call a 'no brainer,' at the moment

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
wsm fan (IP Logged)
20/07/2011 21:43
If forecast can be beieved we are set for 4 full days play, so no excuses there, may the best team (us) win.

Seems months since we managed 4 full days of proper cricket at HQ, oh yeah thats because it was the end of May!!!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2011 22:24
It is crazy the way this fixture list is set up for the different formats but the weather may very well have messed up the Championship had the games actually been in June. So here's to a dry August and September.



(Sm72)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
20/07/2011 23:00
When I look at the team that will take the field against Durham and then list all the very competent players who are not included I come to the conclusion that as a county we are at the strongest we have been for years. With the average age as it is the future bodes well.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Scrumper (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 00:54
We're still short on batsmen.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 09:38
How many by do you think fRed

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 09:43
Quote:
Grockle
It is crazy the way this fixture list is set up for the different formats but the weather may very well have messed up the Championship had the games actually been in June. So here's to a dry August and September.

Yep, I'm thanking my lucky stars that we had the T20 in the June monsoons and not the CC.

Having said that, I'm not sure that we will see sustained dry weather in August, either. It has been unsettled around that St Swithin's Day period and whilst the legend about the actual day is just that, a legend, there are some meterologists who feel that, when there is a pattern to the weather around mid-July, that pattern often continues to obtain until the end of August.

We just have to hope for some luck, frankly. Based on the weather maps that I saw, Cheltenham got extremely lucky yesterday.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 09:45
This game will also mark, really, the very first time all season that SCCC will have been at full-strength.

Certainly, that applies to the bowling.

Batting wise, I suppose none of us knew that Chris Jones would necessarily be part of a "full-strength," unit before the season started but the temperament and technique that he showed in that first innings at Trent Bridge showed so much promise that it is entirely correct that he get a run in the CC side now.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 10:14
A eminent statistician and meteorologist, AGod is there no end to your talents.[:wor kid:]

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Blub (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 10:41
I trust that he won't be subsequently hexed but I am pleased that they are picking Jones ahead of Buttler; as (a) it appears to be a little more balanced for a first class game, and (b) it is apparently on merit, as Jos appears slightly further from his form than the new boy does.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Blub (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 10:53
So we're bowling first. How is the weather down there?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 10:53
So, we get to bowl first.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 11:00
Both teams at full strength, I would say, looking also at the Durham team.

I hope there's some cloud cover and dampness around to provide a bit of help with the ball?

Durham have been by far the most successful batting team in the CC this season so, unless the pitch is unduly helpful for bowling, we will have done well, I feel, if we get them out for anything less than 350.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Reverse Swing (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 11:01
No, batting first. And Tres says he would have chosen to bat anyway if he had won the spin.

Durham skipper thinks there's a touch of green and damp to help their four quicks.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 11:05
Cricinfo strikes again.

I assume and hope we've tried to prepare a turner for Kartik but that, as Reverse Swing has said, there's some early dampness there too.

In which case it would be one of those matches where you need to get through the first session to have a chance of cashing in on your "turning pitch," strategy.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Bobstan (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 11:07
I'd like you to know, Nailsea Fizz, that there is no beginning to my talents.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Blub (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 11:11
Tres and Arul batting for Durham?!?!?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 11:20
Yes, Blub, it's a new ECB initiative of which the forerunner was Strauss playing for Somerset.

The selectors have decided that they want to know whether Steve Kirby is England material so they have given Tres to Durham for this game, in order to ensure that Kirby is tested to the max.

Edit: The selectors also want to see if Onions is back to his best. Therefore, Tres will also open the innings for SCCC.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011:07:21:11:30:21 by AGod.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Bobstan (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 11:22
Kirby is tested to the Waller?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 11:29
Why can't our commentators tell the difference between Arul Suppiah and Nick Compton?

Or are they really correct to assert that;

"If Arul has a weakness in his game, it's his running between the wickets. A few games ago, he and Hildreth had a terrible mix-up in each innings?"

I assume that no such thing happened and they think Arul is Compton?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 11:52
I get those two mixed up.

(Sm115)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 11:55
By the way he's batting, it might be Arul and Strauss where the comparrison lies.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 12:56
And as if to prove the point one of the commentators just blamed Arul for a near run-out involving Tres and Compton!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 13:02
A great session for us, one would think.

It sounded like the ball did a bit during that session, as opposed to track being a road so unless it flattens out (and stays flat for 4 days) then I'd imagine that Durham will be really rather worried as they tuck into their sandwiches.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 13:05
hopefully get the runs on the board and bring Kartik right into play. Thats my great hope anyway

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
edinburghbil (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 13:12
Yorks at 40/6 aren't doing us many favours v Lancs in the Roses match.

They've badly missed all the runs Lyth got for them last year!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 13:22
your are right there bil. And Lancs have still to play Worcs twice home and away.

They still have ourselves and Warks to play so still work for them to do. We need to concentrate what we are doing though first and formost and let that all take care of itself.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 13:31
Even the return of Rudolph could not save Yorkshire.

They seem to be underachieving massively. If Broad continues to somehow cling onto his Test place then that should help Yorks if they can pick Bresnan.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Reverse Swing (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 13:42
I think weather is going to be the biggest issue today and tomorrow. Plenty of showers are forecast, heavy too. The weekend looks much better.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 13:46
Maybe, just maybe lancashire are a better team than some give them credit for.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 13:52
I think the general pattern is one of high pressure beginning to make slow and sporadic in-roads from the Atlantic. That being the case, we *should* be somewhat less prone to disruption than most of the other games further east.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
edinburghbil (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 13:54
Not doing Lancs down, but Yorks have been really poor at times this year.

Pretty watchful thus far from Tres.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 13:55
Having said that, a severe weather warning is currently in place for "Wales and S England."

I'd suggest that the area on the map that the warning is meant to cover is such that the edge of the area indicated on the map perhaps bisects Taunton!

[www.metoffice.gov.uk]



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Re: Somerset v Durham
edinburghbil (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 14:06
So, despite all his efforts in TA1 against the India B attack, Straussy, goes to Zaheer Kahn anyway :-(

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 14:28
No surprise. After all, Mr Strauss himself told us that events at Taunton would have little bearing on events in the Test series.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 14:41
Getting a bit concerned about these "Tres limping," reports.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 14:44
Did Durham not win the toss and put us in at Chester le Street ?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 14:47
Well if it had no bearing and hasnt helped then why was he here?

Is Tres injured then?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 14:49
Yes, GM, they did.

Yes, Ronnie, it was a pointless exercise.

Ronnie - not sure, they've been talking about Tres limping a bit - seems to be a thigh according to the commentators, possibly following a quick single when he had to dive to make his ground. If so, hopefully it's an impact injury i.e. a deep bruise or something rather than a strain.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 14:51
He can run it off AG.......says he hopefully!!!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 15:14
well it doesn't seem to be hampering him so hopefully thats a good sign.

Well played..he is imperious in this form

(Sm128)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 15:20
Useful Yorkshire fight back. Eighth wicket unbeaten stand of 106 in 17 overs between Sidebottom and Pyrah. Only another 27 needed now to avoid the follow-on.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 15:23
sshh CJM..............dont tell anyone but that to me is a tail properly wagging!!! Might not do them any good though but frustrating for Lancs all the same.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 15:35
Sidebottom seems to have had a remarkable season with the bat, thus far? He seems to have put his batsmen to shame on quite a few occasions already?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 15:45
Mr C Jones dealing only in boundary's so far

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 16:10
I wonder what time Tim Bresnan arrived in Leeds?

It's entirely possible that Sidebottom's stubborness gave Tim the time to get there.. and with Bresnan batting at 11, there must be a decent chance that Yorks will now get out of their first innings without a big deficit.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 16:17
and with his bowlig in the second dig too maybe Lancs will not have it all their own way?

Any more word on the limping TrescothicK AG?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 16:57
He hanging in there, hopefully craig will stay around to the close of play. It'll be a shame to hand back some initiative.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Tumbles (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 17:14
At what point can I stop laughing at Lancashire ?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 17:17
Wish I could score 154 not out with a bad leg.

Well done Marcus.

Grizzzly

P.S. Come to think of it, wish I could score 154 not out with any number of good legs !!!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Tumbles (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 17:20
188 for the last two wickets, the benchmark has been set for Charl if anyone can stay around with him.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Tumbles (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 17:24
Craig out, don't want to lose another before close otherwise we might not get full batting points with our tail.

Could Tres get 20'000 first class runs by the end of the season?



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Re: Somerset v Durham
Bobstan (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 17:26
Further to a discussion of a few days ago, there seem to have been plenty of threes run today, and two all-run fours early on.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 17:38
Well trego needs to stay there now..no doubt about it.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 17:40
oh dear, bring on the gloom merchants

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 17:43
Dont worry Fizz BJ will be on shortly to tell you we will get to a 1000 no problem....that'll cheer you up!!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 17:55
to be fair that boy Claydon seems to have bowled rather well today.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
old boy! (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 17:59
Here's a doom merchant. AH and BR insisted that the middle order particularly needed stability - 2 wickets left (we can't count CW) - only 360+? Not enough I'm afraid. However, I suppose it is better than 359!

Another wonderful innings by Tres backed up by Arul and NC, but not a lot else to consider.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 18:01
well its been our failing all season OB and although its been addressed apparently not rectified.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
21/07/2011 18:03
200-7 without Marcus, that`s pretty poor stuff

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 18:06
Great start and sounded like top three all played superbly.

But then looks as though the middle order have failed to deliver.

Durham have been making mountains of runs so it's certainly conceivable - following the middle order failures - that we will not now get a first innings lead.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 18:11
Yes but if Marcus had gone for 0 the whole innings would have been different and we would have been saying 200 for 7 without Hildreth or whatever. For crying out loud we are a TEAM and as I write we are 15 runs from a 5th batting point with 6 overs left on the first day and 3 wickets in hand The Yorkshire tail did brilliantly but they would love to be where we are. Lighten up chaps. I would have settled for385 for 7 having been put in wouldn't you?



Edited for homonynms



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Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 18:13
lets just bowl them out..thats one way to make it a great score.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 18:25
As ever we won't know what kind of score this is until they bat.

295 for 3 was a magnificent start and I would guess most of us would have hoped for 500+ from there.

It looks like Alf and Kartik have done well here to get us up to 400 and if they are there at the close then there will hopefully be a decent chance that they can still get us up close to 450.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Scrumper (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 18:29
May as well declare overnight, should be all over by tea time.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Bobstan (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 18:33
fRed, are you BJ in disguise?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
old boy! (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 18:35
Middle Order miss out, but 8,9,10 etc come good. Delighted with the fight at the bottom.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Grockle (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 18:36
Excellent 49 run partnership from Murali and Alf at the end of the day. Finish on 409 for 7. 400 looked a long way off when they arrived but little suport from the Durham bowlers for Claydon who was their best bowler by a considerable degree.

Mr Harmison was woeful.



(Sm72)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 18:36
good end to the day. Hopefully get 450 and see where we can get them to.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Bobstan (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 18:38
Well done indeed to Alfonso and MK.

Mind you, AG, I think they will do exceptionally well to get us to 450, given that the bowlers will be refreshed and bowling with a ball that should still have a fair bit of shine on it.

I hope they do, mind.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
rodders12 (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 18:39
Trouble is chaps ( and any chappesses ) if we can score 400 plus having been put in, so can they - which in a nutshell means YET ANOTHER no result pitch at Taunton.

I didn't agree with everything Mr Langer said but when he opined that Somerset would be unlikely to ever win the title playing so many home games at Taunton, he had it spot on.

Will it ever change ??

Not in the next ten years I fancy.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
old boy! (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 18:43
Grockle
Ref Harmison, couldn't agree more. It must have been embarassing for his team mates. He gave the umpire a very dirty look (fineable??) when he fired one a yard outside the leg stump and a wide was signalled.
It has always been a mystery to me why he was ever rated so highly. He bowls square on to the batsman and sometimes manages to get 2 or 3 each over somewhere near the batsman. It is virtually impossible to bowl accurately with his type of action.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
WaresWurzel (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 18:44
Well I have to say getting up at 4am tomorrow morning to make the trip home for the next 2 days has become a little easier now we have 400+ on the board with any luck I will see the tail wag getting us some extra runs before they take 10 wickets tomorrow.

Come on Somerset



Wurz



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Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 18:45
Well, Rodders, where were you last season?

What about at any of the 3 home games played so far this season?

You'll find that all 3 games this season and several last season all had results.

Depending upon whether or not this track turns then I agree that a strong and in-form Durham batting line-up may be able to match our sort of total - but provided that that is all they do ie do not far surpass it then we should still be in the box-seat with us having Kartik and them batting last.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Wickham (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 18:52
I agree with, GM - this is a team game and, on the face of it, this appears to have been a very good team performance.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Bobstan (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 19:04
In fairness, old boy, Harmison was highly rated because at one time he looked as if he would be the next truly great English fast bowler. Batsmen - Austalian batsmen - were scared of him.

Certainly he flattered to deceive, but it's easy with hindsight.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 19:06
Hildreth's inconsistency appears to be looming large again this season.

It is a great shame, as far as I am concerned, because of his undoubted talent, but I personally don't think that the England selectors will be knocking on his door any time soon.

For his sake, I would happily like to be proven wrong.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 19:19
One would hope Trent Bridge would be the catalyst for better things for James.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
old boy! (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 19:52
Fair enough Bobstan ref Harmison.

I can only say in my own defence, that I, personally have never felt that Harmison was the answer to the English (maidens) prayer. I agree there was some talk about the Aussies SAYING that they were frightened of him. Assuming that fear was genuine, it is likely because they didn't know which ball would be the straight one in each over. Apart from the wild overs he bowled in Australia, I was present in Ireland when the first ball of the game Eng v Ireland bowled by him, was at least six feet wide of the leg stump.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 20:28

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Grockle (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 20:34
There's no doubt Rodders that Durham can score 400.

Personally we should have been moving towards 500 and neither Alf or Kartik should have been walking in to finish the day. I'm afraid the 400 once again masks a bit of a middle order glitch with only Chris Jones really getting a bit of a fizzer.

But I'm afraid Rodders that your statement simply does not fit the facts. The situation has already changed. Have a look at the figures and you'll see that your stereotypical statement about the Taunton wicket has been out of date for more than a calendar year.

As far as Durham's 400 is concerned. Well it is our bowling and fielding attack's job to ensure that they do not score that number of runs.



(Sm72)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 20:55
Grockle - were you there when IDB was bowling? If so, was there much evidence of turn?

He got two big players out so that made me wonder, but then if it is already turning then I'd expect IDB to be tighter than 13 overs for 53.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 21:08
Blackie got Tres with a leg stump lime for several overs and eventually Tres edged one down the legside that Mustard snaffled. Craig may have had one turn on him - taken at first slip.

The wicket is well to the Pegasus Court side and there is no rope in front of the pavilion. So those boundaries are huge - hence the number of threes run.

I didn't notice Tres limping - I arrived about 3:00pm.

Alf and Kartik hit the ball hard when they could but did have some luck with play and misses. Prob the right approach given the attack they were facing and with second new ball.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Grockle (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 21:09
Not really obviously AG. Marcus tried to chop one down that was too close to chop...didn't see the other one.

They didn't keep him on and took the new ball immediately, took him off and threw it to Claydon.



(Sm72)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
ronnies (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 21:21
well Blackie is on the main site saying the one that got CK did turn and they are expecting Kartik to turn it later in the game.

Tres has chest infection too............must have got that playing in the rain at OT

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Grockle (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 21:31
The man with the infection hit one clean over the Botham Stand from Mr Blackwell.

He's the first I've seen do it. I saw Harvery bounce one off the roof in a T20 but who was the first player to hit one OVER the Botham?



(Sm72)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 21:32
1st days photos, and a dry day wonders will never cease.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1733/asuppiah4runssoffsharmi.jpg

All the talk by Steve Harmison on TV about how to bowl at Taunton he seemed to have forgot it today, he was so bad with no balls, wide’s and most of them down the leg side. Arul Suppiah manages to get a bat on this leg side ball and it went for four runs.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1772/athomas.jpg

Alfonso Thomas, this is what has been missing this season was somebody to bat after Peter Trego.
One of the most impressive things today apart from Marcus was the partnership between A Thomas and M Kartik.

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6296/cjonesctpmustardbldmcla.jpg

Chris Jones not happy being given out ct P Mustard bld M Claydon.
I wonder what the ball hit was it his glove and was the hand on the bat at the time, Chris could tell us??

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7385/mtrescothick150and4runs.jpg

What another great innings from Marcus this shot 4 runs and his 150.

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7708/mtrescothickhitintheche.jpg

Marcus didn’t find it easy all of the time he was hit in the ribs by G Onions and it hurt him.

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/9927/ncomptonbldmclaydon.jpg

Nick Compton play well for his 56, he was bowled by the best bowler today M Claydon.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Mark (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 22:14
Well from a Durham point of view I was amazed when we decided to bowl first. Couldn't understand why we put your team in at the Riverside and I was stunned when we did the same thing again!

Maybe I'm too stuck in my ways but for me I'd never ask Marcus and co to bat first in anything other than perfect bowling conditions...even then I'd think twice.

I know your team have been inconsistent with the bat and heavily reliant on Marcus and apart from his innings it may have been another below par batting performance but as soon as I heard we were bowling I fully expected a 400 plus score. Why we didn't bat first is a mystery to me.

Will Smith is averaging in the mid 30's and you know where he is in our batting averages this season? Number 12! Now that includes Stoneman, Michael Richardson and Plunkett who have only had a handful of innings between them but it just shows how well we have batted as a unit this season. Surely then the obvious decision would have been to bat and feel confident of making a big score then scoreboard pressure would become a factor.



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Re: Somerset v Durham
Grockle (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 22:27
Have to agree Mark couldn't really understand the theory myself.

I'd love to think we'd make you pay for the error but until I've seen us bowl for a while I'm not doing anything but hoping.

There is achance that Charl Willoughby has found his mojo again after a poor season so far...you may find him a handful but if not.....well we'd better hope Kartik turns it square.

At least the weather has taken a turn for the better.



(Sm72)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 22:29
Thanks Mark - yep after 650 at CLS it does make you wonder.

It's sometimes the case at Taunton that the track does things in the first session and then flattens right out. But if IDB is expecting this one to really spin then it looks like a misjudgement by the 'Colonel,' on two counts in that unless you bat once and really big you'll have to bat last against Kartik on this too.

Really hope IDB is right!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 22:34
Marcus also saying track has been prepped for Kartik too so I'd guess we'll be well pleased with any kind of first innings lead.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Big Jim (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 22:47
Just back in.
LoL told me it was in Chester-le-Street.
At least the coffee is nice on trains these days.
Have we won yet?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Grockle (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 22:47
Well if it is prepped for MK then I'd expect AS to have a twirl as well.



(Sm72)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Mark (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 22:52
It just goes to show how surprising this game can be. If anyone had said to me before the toss we'd decide to bowl, leave out Scotty Borthwick and replace him with Mitch Claydon I'd never have believed it.

Now obviously I don't know what the conditions were like at the ground but if I was going to replace Scott(and I wouldn't) I'd have brought in Liam Plunkett-I know he's erratic but I still rate him highly, hard to believe he's only 26. However, it seems as if Mitch was the pick of our bowlers today so that's one surprising decision that has paid off. So maybe the decision to bowl will also prove to be correct. I have a feeling though that the stage is set for a Durham collapse tomorrow!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 22:52
You'd certainly think so on recent form.

Edited purely to state that this was a response to Grockle's post, not Mark's.

I cannot honestly say I expect a Durham collapse but if there is some turn out there I think we've a good chance of an all important first innings lead.



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Re: Somerset v Durham
Big Jim (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 22:56
Fingers crossed Mark, it'll be brilliant to see Durham skittled for next to nowt.....as heard on When the Boot Comes in Bonny Lad.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Bobstan (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 23:05
Now, Jim.

None of this stereotyping, look you, boyoh.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Big Jim (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 23:12
Sorry Bobs.
Was just thinking, it'll be nice to see you Ipswich boys rolling up in your tractors down the Boleyn this coming season.
Just like old times me old china.



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Re: Somerset v Durham
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 23:15
I didn’t see any conditions to help the bowlers today, Onions bowled well as did Claydon, Collingwood bowled accurately and slowed the scoring rate for a while.

I think putting us in was the correct thing to do with how much rain we have had recently, if anything was going to happen it would happen on the first morning.
The outfield was so slow there were two all run fours you don’t see that very often.

I think Blackwell was only put on because the over rate was – 4 and at the end of the day that was down to – 2, this I couldn’t understand when play was thirty minutes late finishing at 6.30.

If Ian Blackwell could take two wickets I have great hopes for Kartik tomorrow.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
wsm fan (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 23:22
0-0 would we have taken 409-7 having been put in?

290-3, yes we'd have hoped for 475+

from 360-7 did any of us think we'd make the 5th batting point.

400 runs and 7 wickets in a day sounds like a very good days cricket to me.

Be great if Alfie, Murali and Steve could get us up over 450 in the morning, added incentive of lasting an hour could give us 40mins pre lunch with new ball and another go after, i'm very optimistic myself, Charl looked better v India and with signs of spin and runs on board think MK's 2011 home CC debut could go well...

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Big Jim (IP Logged)
21/07/2011 23:39
It'll all be over by tea tomorrow, we win by an innings and 65 runs.
Place your bets now, I'm only on 25% commission this season.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 00:18
BIG effort needed tomorrow from our bowlers.

If we could get them out for 250, we would be in with a hell of a chance of taking max points.

Still, there is the small matter of taking 20 wickets along the way.

Lets hope Alf, Murali, Trigget etc. have a good nights sleep & that Monckton Heathfield Presbytarian Society have a huge rave up at the Durham Hotel, causing them a lack thereof !

Grizzzly

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
wsm fan (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 00:25
Awfully nice of those nice ECB men not to impose an immediate ban on our Mr T for todays game i feel.

Always thought it a good idea to let Mr S play last week.....



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Re: Somerset v Durham
Bobstan (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 07:12
The season after, that fixture won't take place, BJ.

I'm not saying which of the two clubs I think will get promoted, but it isn't one in Suffolk.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
BristolRob (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 07:50
Harmison woeful Grockle? I think you were being kind with that comment.More like cr*p I'd say.A thoroughly enjoyable days play though.Marcus showed his class again, well backed by the rest especially Nick Compton who is looking to be a very good signing now.There was some dodgy running but that all added to the excitement of the day.Claydon ,as previously said, was the pick of their bowlers.Collingwood was called upon to bowl more than expected because of the wayward bowling of Harmison.I'm sure this upset Durham's plans but I too was as surprised that Durham inserted us.
Let's hope we can get more out of the wicket than they did.It will be interesting to see how Kartik performs and more to the point how they handle the situation.



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
N Hughes (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 09:36
If I was captain, and there are plenty of good reasons why I aint I would declare first thing this morning.

1. It would stop Durham getting an extra bonus point

2. It might take their opening batsmen by surprise

3. Give our bowlers a chance early on with the overcast conditions.

Or if not declare on next wicket down.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 09:54
Point 1 is technically "illegal," under the rules of the competition.

We certainly cannot afford anything that could leave Marcus in hot water.

Personally, I'd bat on unless and until both of Kartik and Alf are out... I wouldn't bother with a last wicket stand of Kirby and Charl.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 09:57
Not a bad shout NH. It is overcast and quite cloudy at the moment in TA1.

Charl could well get the ball to talk early doors. It would make life very tricky for the Durham batters before any sun comes along. It is fairly humid at the moment.

I fear too that this match may get the occasional interruption by rain. So time could be lost.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
N Hughes (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 10:02
Surely a team can declare any time it likes if they think they' have scored enough runs, don't see how it is illegal. Might be an idea not to mention the bonus point if that were the case.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 10:03
Point 1 is technically "illegal," under the rules of the competition.

AG, is quite correct this rule has always made me wonder who decide if you have declared to stop the other team getting anymore bowling points or you have declared simply to get a result!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 10:08
I often wondered what would have happened if Lancs had declared their 1st innings at 0 for 0 last game of last season?

Alll hell would have broken loose likely!!!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 10:10
Here is the rule.

14.1 Extraordinary Declarations
An Extraordinary Declaration for the purposes of this
rule is a declaration aimed primarily at denying the
bowling side the opportunity to acquire further bonus
points in that innings, but without enhancing the batting
side’s prospects of winning or saving the match.
Such a declaration may, depending on the particular
circumstances, be deemed as bringing the game into
disrepute, penalties for which may include the deduction
of points from the offending team.
A captain who is contemplating a declaration which has
potential to be deemed an Extraordinary Declaration
may, if he wishes, first approach the Officiating Umpires,
providing due notice of his intention, in order to request
an indicative ruling as to whether or not such a
declaration is likely to be deemed an Extraordinary
Declaration with the potential for bringing the game into
disrepute.
The Officiating Umpires shall then request advice from
the ECB Cricket Department who will (in liaison with the
Cricket Discipline Commission and time permitting)
provide an indicative ruling to the captain.
ECB Cricket Department may appoint an official to such
matches to facilitate good communication between all
relevant parties.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 10:37
correct me if Im wrong but are we not the only team to have been penalised for making aforementioned dodgy declaration?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Grockle (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 10:42
You have to look at what we can reasonable expect to get from the back end this morning and whether it is worth the time wasted getting it (which may be a while or a couple of overs).

I certainly think it might be worth a long think about when MT looks at the conditions this morning. Once and IF the conditions level out it will be a hard slog unless the spinners get something.



(Sm72)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 10:56
In my view, it is unlikely that either Alf or Kartik will score slowly. Neither is really the type to "die wondering."

Also... the good thing about yesterday is that we scored quickly - rolling up more than 400 runs in the day.

Declaration or not, it is probably not very likely that our first innings will end up taking up any more time than 1 day and 1 hour?

No point if it gets to last wicket stand of Kirby and Charl but might as well make hay before then.

With only one day gone in the game and no inclement weather (touch wood!?) in the forecast, I think we'd have a hard time selling a declaration this morning as something other than an "extraordinary declaration."

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Bobstan (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 11:03
With only Kirby and Charl left surely any right-thinking captain would declare, bonus point issue or not.

That surely "enhances chances of winning the match", giving us more time to bowl out Durham in hopefully helpful conditions.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
edinburghbil (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 11:04
Re Harmison, wasn't it David Boon that turned a non cricketer into a new ball impact bowler. On his day, and on the right wicket, he was mightily effective at that.
When it's not his day and on flat wickets, he can look less than ordinary. I guess his good days are fewer and further between now he's getting on a bit.
Could he have developed his B game without losing his assets, I guess we'll never know.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 11:06
The Durham site had the classic comment along the lines of that "Durham won the toss chose to field and it was Claydon who made the breakthrough" All perfectly correct but leaves an interesting impression. Claydon was saying that the idea now is to get us out for 420-430, bat for 2 days at their normal fast speed and then leave the seamers and Blackie to roll us over in the last day, as the pitch looks as though it will do something.
I ask that if that is the plan it is obviouslt planB or Durham would have batted.
Is it wet in Taunton?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
old boy! (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 11:07
I think we need a Board of Enquiry! We can't declare when we like?? Which rule book is AGod reading?? If that is true, but I'm sure it's not, then the whole system is cr-p and not fit for purpose!!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 11:08
it must be.............there is no play!!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 11:11
Quote:
edinburghbil
Re Harmison, wasn't it David Boon that turned a non cricketer into a new ball impact bowler. On his day, and on the right wicket, he was mightily effective at that.
When it's not his day and on flat wickets, he can look less than ordinary. I guess his good days are fewer and further between now he's getting on a bit.
Could he have developed his B game without losing his assets, I guess we'll never know.

Suspect that his motivation and fitness are also questionable. Let's face it, by his own admission he's turned up for at least one England tour (NZ) unfit so now that he no longer has any chance of international cricket, I would be surprised if he is both fit and motivated.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
old boy! (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 11:15
If Boon could have sorted his action out, I suppose it is conceivable that he could still bowling for England. With the action he has always had, there was never any chance that one lucky spell could be followed by a second immediately.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 11:15
Quote:
Bobstan
With only Kirby and Charl left surely any right-thinking captain would declare, bonus point issue or not.
That surely "enhances chances of winning the match", giving us more time to bowl out Durham in hopefully helpful conditions.

Do you mean " if and when," they are the only two left?

Because unless we've had wickets retrospectively removed overnight, we also have Alf and Kartik "left."

I would say that based on comments from IDB and Banger re: pitch and what it is expected to do, that the Marcus plan will be to bat on as far as possible.. more batting = more wear on the pitch = more chance of turn?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 11:19
Curses... I cannot remember a home game with Durham - since the infamous Breese farce- that has not been curtailed by rain.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 11:25
The commentary is on and it is only normally on when either there is play or play is imminent - does that mean that something is likely to happen soon?

Or has there been a change in policy so that commentators come on air, irrespective of whether there will be cricket?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 11:46
so what's the script? Off for the day and Somerset hampered by the weather yet again?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 11:57
Started now, Ronnie. No damage yet. Sounds like they are getting a fair amount of pace and lift off the pitch.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 12:01
excellent thanks AG.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 12:12
It sounds like Alf is playing beautifully.

(please, don't let that statement hex him.)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
edinburghbil (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 12:20
I think Boon was quoted as saying something like "If you can regularly knock out at least a couple at the top of the order then job done" He saw him as a battering ram to open a door for the others.

As far as his mental attitude goes, I think that is largely down to lack of a plan B if he can't scare a few out first up.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 12:21
whoops.. still, very well played anyway.

If Kirby/Willoughby can bat out the over, then Kartik might as well have a dart for an over, and then we can and should declare, IMO.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Tumbles (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 12:26
Lancs 6 down and only a lead of 155. Could be one of the most unlikely turn arounds ever? Yorks could have a day and a half to chase down 200 odd

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 12:31
Yeah, with Rudolph back in harness, you'd have to think Yorkshire must be in with an excellent chance there.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 12:31
Declare with 8 down after 110 overs then no question about an extraordinay declaration to deny a bowling point point. If we last that long we should have 470 and that is excellent.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Tumbles (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 12:34
With Charl in majestic form I'm still confident of a 600+ total

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 12:35
after 110 overs they cant get the additional bowling point anyway Geordie so they'd only be denying them it if they declared now.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 12:35
Yep, sounds fair to me. An excellent mini-session for us here, thus far.

Pretty sure that this morning's events will have riled Durham and encouraged all of our guys.

It certainly does not sound as though the track is a road, either.

Loving the no-balls that they are donating too!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Tumbles (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 12:39
Lancs 7 down, might not even have to chase 200 at this rate

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 12:40
whoops, you declarationists were right after all.. forecast for this afternoon now seems to be for heavy rain.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Kingston Black (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 12:45
Shame we let them get the extra bowling point, but excellent stuff from Murali and Alf nonetheless. That's what we need from our numbers 8 and 9 and we've missed it this season.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Kingston Black (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 12:47
That welcome 'Extra' batsman has scored 44 as well...

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Tumbles (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 12:50
480 all out, once again Charl is left stranded unable to make a big score.

360/7 to 480 all out is a handy wag of the tail - the likes of Thomas & Kartik in the side make more than just a bowling difference.

Now lets have Durham following on before close grinning smiley

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 12:59
Kartik makes a big difference in terms of control in the field, too.

Hopefully, this track will turn as and when they get back on (might be tomorrow by the looks of the latest forecast?)

But if it doesn't you can have Kartik bottle up one end and the pacemen rotate in short, sharp blasts from the other.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 13:03
Hants look like they probably have an even better chance than Yorkshire to win their game.. so the table is suddenly going to bunch up.

Personally, I think Notts might well be relegated.. they've played virtually all their home games and are poorly equipped to play on turning tracks like the one they've encountered at the Rose Bowl. They need to hope that they get some seam-friendly tracks on their travels.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 13:04
is it actually raining there or did they just come off as the last wicket went down which means an early lunch anyway?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 13:15
Both, I think. Certainly it was raining.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
old boy! (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 13:17
Wonderful - at last a tail that waggles!!!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 13:29
Old Boy - how is the weather looking? Still raining? Any sign of it clearing?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 13:42
this is unbelievable. Even when the wether is meant to be good its bad.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 13:52
And now to knock Old Boy off his seat;

M L Turner 17.4-8-32-5

I would imagine that those are by far the best figures of his career, so well done indeed to him!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Tumbles (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 13:57
Anyone watching Dhoni bowl for India! Just nearly got KP out too.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 14:02
Quote:
AGod
Hants look like they probably have an even better chance than Yorkshire to win their game.. so the table is suddenly going to bunch up.

How can you say this AGOD so early as we all know that Notss have a wagging tail.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 14:09
Tails tend not to wag on Bunsens which is what i assume that track is.. how else does Samit Patel bowl 24 overs for only 35 runs or whatever it was?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Tumbles (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 14:26
The game turns again at Headingly - Lancs tail piling on the runs.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 14:34
Can anyone local to the ground advise as to how heavy the rain is and/or whether or not there is any sign of it stopping?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Tumbles (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 14:45
Apparently the covers are going back on:

[twitter.com]

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
JonR (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 14:45
The rain is very light at the moment (and to be honest I haven't noticed it coming down very heavy all afternoon), and I can only see light grey skies from the window of my office in Hammet Street.

I would have thought that if they were playing in these conditions they wouldn't go off. I assume it's just a case of waiting for the rain to completely stop, and letting the ground dry out a bit.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 14:59
and with Lancs and Warks dominating their games now we sit and watch the rain..typical

I was harping on the other day about the weather evening itself out over the piece. I was wrong it doesn't.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 14:59
I have returned home and I am staying until they are actually playing, the rain hasn’t completely stopped since lunch when you think they may start it gets harder again.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
N Hughes (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 15:03
Not raining in Galmington. Skies look very overcast but a hint of brightness behind them. It wasn't heavy rain when I was out.

Went down this morning. Some good shots allround.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 15:04
Yeah, it doesn't Ronnie. Those counties in the West are almost always at a relative disadvantage compared to those further East.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 15:05
Don't forget it is Friday it always rain on Friday's, well it seems to this year.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 15:09
ove coming of. whoooooo. Hopefully 3 hours play now and 7/8 Durham wickets.

You heard it here first. C'mon the Set.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 15:10
Really? Excellent. COME ON.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 15:11
I woudl hope that he umpires would roll up the tea interval as part of the period in which the ground is drying out? Would leave one lonnnnng session at the end of the day.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Wickham (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 15:18
Play to start at 15.45 if no further rain (courtesy of Padders' tweet).

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 15:19
Please no further rain!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
JonR (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 15:19
The clouds are clearing very rapidly now and the sun is coming out. That's quite a turnaround as it doesn't seem too windy today!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 15:25
43 overs to be bowled.

If we could get them, say, 140 for 4 at the close, I think I'd be quite happy with that. That would leave us with 6 wickets to take for 190 runs to try and enforce the follow on and then, maybe, a day and a half to bowl them out again and hopefully knock off a small deficit.

Does anyone know if tea will already have been taken by the time they resume?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 15:28
I don't know this time AG, the last false start they said 4.30 regardless of how many overs are left.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 15:30
Well I suppose that would give us two cracks at them but still, it sounds stupid to me. Why can't they just get a couple of cucumber sandwiches down them as I type and then get out there!?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 15:33
And in the Test match, India's views of the replay system etc possibly gain in credence?

Morgan is given out caught behind off an inside edge and walks off, content that he had nicked it. All the so-called gizmos on the TV say that he did not nick it.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Tumbles (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 16:02
Yorkshire steady at 27/0 needing another 257 for the most unlikely win of the season.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Tumbles (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 16:07
Note that Glos have impressively beaten Kent. They are actually having a very fine season in the LVCC, might they be joining us next season if they carry on with this run of form?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 16:10
John Bracewell appears to have done a remarkable job. I seriously doubt they will get promoted but to be anything other than last with the number of unproven players that they have speaks volumes for his efforts.

By contrast, Kent seem to be absolutely awful.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 16:30
Well, sounds like this is going to be plenty of hard work for the seamers, so hopefully we will see Kartik soon after tea.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 16:33
our new ball bowling is a bit of a worry. We dont seem to get enough with it. A lot depending on Kartik here me thinks.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
BristolRob (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 16:36
Is anybody having problems with commentary?It's very quiet my end.



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 16:41
Alf appears to be a bit rusty

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 16:47
New ball bowling has been an issue all season, from a penetration stand-point... more of a problem, I'd think than in any of our previous Div One seasons since our most recent promotion.

Kartik will have to be the main man to cause the damage.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Tumbles (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 16:48
Quick over before tea for him by the looks of it.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 16:48
Surely there must be a serious chance that Hants will get a points deduction for the track at the Rose Bowl?

Samit Patel running riot again. Left-arm spinners seem to have been all but unplayable in this match.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
BristolRob (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 17:13
Receiving you loud and clear Grockle.Looks like I made the wrong decision coming home early today.Being a friday I thought there would bound to be no more play.



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 17:30
Go on Kirbs.....cmon keep it going lads.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 17:39
And again lad.well done!!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Streeter (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 17:45
I hear they are re-naming the Southampton ground the Dust Bowl.....

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 18:39
Only 2 wkts in 43 overs. Looks like a very strong chance of yet another draw between these two sides. The sequence of results is uncanny..

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 18:41
And not good enough for us as we need to win. Need a huge day tomorrow no doubt about it.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 18:47
Warks set to win their game too.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
rodders12 (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 18:48
Sorry but read my posts numbers 1 and 2. I rest my case re Taunton as a no result pitch the majority of the time and I rest my case re our bowling attack ( or lack of it ).

Look at the bowling averages for this season - nobody anywhere. Look at the div 2 averages for last season and where are our aquisitions from Glaws - nowhere much but it seems they were expected to improve in a division higher.

At least last season we bowled good sides out with who we had, this season not !!

Poor signings / releases in the close season but then......??

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 19:01
7 of the last 11 games at Taunton have had results.

Hussain had a spectacular season for Gloucs last season. Might have been a flash in the pan but you cannot say he did not do well last season.

If you look at the records Kirby has done well this season.

But the support for Kirby has been inadequate, I'm afraid.

Charl seems far less effective in the CC than in previous seasons. I assume he's lost that crucial half a yard or something?

And then Alf has been unavailable all season and Kartik most of it.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
rodders12 (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 19:51
Hussain was 16th in the second division bowling averages last season. I would not call that a spectacular season.
He took a lot of wickets but was always expensive.

If Kirby is so good this season why does he feature NOWHERE in the div one averages.

CW is past his sell by date - end of !

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Grockle (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 20:11
Well that's not quite right is it Rodders?

Firstly where are Turner, Stiff and Phillips in the bowling figures? I assume these are the people we should have gone with instead of Kirby and Hussain?

No? Well who were the replacements aching to be signed that we must have missed?

Kirby and the bowling averages?

Well take the first class ones.

Assume a real CC1 bowler has bowled at least 100 overs by now? Steve is 11th on the rankings and that includes Hogg and Harmison who only just get into that list.

Wickets taken? He's behind Rankin and Keedy tying for third

He isn't anywhere? Hmmm

Charl may have a point to prove...you may be right but not quite yet.

"End of" sorry is this like shouting 'shotgun'. Once you've typed the discusson is over? Doesn't work like that here.

The batting has not fired this year. Bowling a side out twice assumes that your own batsmen have given you enough runs to manage that - that really hasn't happened this year.

Do I type 'end of' now?



(Sm72)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 20:23
I think if you look at it so far then Marcus has had a terrific CC season and Compton and Kirby have had very good ones and probably exceeded expectations.

So that's two guys that have exceeded expectations and then alongside them you've probably got a couple of guys - Arul and Craig K that have probably met expectations.

That's 5 players that have probably met or exceeded expectations in the CC, by my reckoning.

That leaves 6 spots in an XI where, to varying extents, performances (or at least results) have fallen a little bit short at times.

I would suggest that last season there were far fewer than six members of the XI that did not really hit their straps. Certainly the records of the bowlers last season were excellent.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Grockle (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 20:32
Not all of them AG. Our young hope had to be replaced along with another possible option that had not hit the grade (Turner/STiff).

From the older one's...youth was chosen instead of age/experience in one case - that was a good decision as the guy replaced has not stayed fit (Phillips).

In the other case the hopes were that the batting aspect would be covered and one of your assessments above has done that(Zander/Compton)

As far as the man's bowling is concerned well that has not been covered as well as we would have hoped (Zander/ Pete, Lewis)



(Sm72)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 20:43
Wickets taken? He's behind Rankin and Keedy tying for third


That is also the table I look at "Wickets Taken"
rodders, you must have missed his name when looking down the list.

Latest table. - [stats.espncricinfo.com]

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
rodders12 (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 20:48
OK - apologies for " end of " it it just an expression ( like a full stop at the end of a sentence ) and not an indication of being right or stopping further discussion.

Too much text speak so apologies again.

Re Kirby - you can do your maths anyway you want and good luck to you but the fact remains he is 20th in the averages for div one and God help us he is the best we have got in the list.

Sorry but we aint gonna win a championship with that bowling record.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 20:53
Kirby reckons there is something in this for both seam and spin so that carries some promise for tomorrow. However he was not happy with the accuracy of our attack, saying 'we need to get it in the right areas more often.'

That refrain is one we've heard with great frequency from AH this season.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 20:55
What list rodders, can you put a link to your list like I did please, I maybe looking at the wrong list.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 21:04
Cricinfo says that "Kartik turned the odd delivery sharply" - that's got to be a good sign with 480 on the board.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
rodders12 (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 21:21
I am not too good at links but go to Google, type first class averages 2011 season, select division one bowling and Kirby is 20th and our only entry

I would love to be a happy clappy but in truth our bowling attack is not good enough and our batting is inconsistent.

We may win the village green stuff or even the short version of the proper game but the championship we are not even contenders on current form.

And Grockle, I know you disagree with what you see as my negative posts ( fair enough ) but I have played for Somerset and still have many contacts albeit from way back in the Graham Burgess et al days so I feel my opinion is as valid as anyone else's, although not of course any more likely to be right !!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Botham (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 21:28
Quote:
rodders12
I am not too good at links but go to Google, type first class averages 2011 season, select division one bowling and Kirby is 20th and our only entry
I would love to be a happy clappy but in truth our bowling attack is not good enough and our batting is inconsistent.

We may win the village green stuff or even the short version of the proper game but the championship we are not even contenders on current form.

And Grockle, I know you disagree with what you see as my negative posts ( fair enough ) but I have played for Somerset and still have many contacts albeit from way back in the Graham Burgess et al days so I feel my opinion is as valid as anyone else's, although not of course any more likely to be right !!

(Sm162)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 21:53
Not much in the way of photos today, I will do the best I can.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/439/groundstaffpullingthesh.jpg

Once again a big thank you must go to the three groundsmen; the sheets must have been on and off more times than I do in a year.

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/9755/gmuchallctmkartilbldski.jpg

G Muchall was caught by M Kartik bld Steve Kirby

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2593/mdivenutoctasuppiahblds.jpg

Arul Suppiah being congratulated by Craig Kieswetter he took a brilliant catch very close to the boundary boards to dismiss M Divenuto bld by Steve Kirby, Arul had a job not to lean on the boards when taking the catch.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6043/skirby.jpg

Steve Kirby takes his batting very seriously he knows which end of the bat to hold.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9707/wsmithoffmkartik.jpg

W Smith, I am not sure what happen here did M Kartik have a chance missed? I didn’t notice what happened to the ball it may have gone to ground or out of reach of the close fielder.



http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq223/imagetony48/Smiley-photographer-animationTony.gif The link to my Photos on Photobucket - [s1152.photobucket.com]

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Bobstan (IP Logged)
22/07/2011 22:05
Thanks, as always, for your photos, Mike.

Glad to hear about Arul's fine catch as he has actually missed a few this season, I understand.

I really like the picture of the groundstaff.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 00:52
No problems with your opinion Rodders - as long as someone is prepared to back up statements made and offer a reasoned argument I doubt you'll have a problem here. :-)

Many people offer their opinions and many of us are wrong as much as we are right.

I'll question negatives if I feel they are overly so or misguided (then there are the one's like the slightly childish one above which are best left as what they are :-)

I personally saw this season as a development one from an early point and I agree with you about our inconsistent batting - that is partly what made it so.

As far as the bowling goes, well I'm not ready to write off Hussain halfway through his third season of first class cricket (when he seems a better option than the one he replaced) or simply because he hasn't turned into Caddick overnight or came from Gloucestershire.

By your reasoning in relation to Kirby we should be chasing Paul Collingwood at the end of this year as he is THIRD in your list...he's only bowled in one game but tables are tables after all.

It's not a reasonable argument I'm afraid but stay with it if it proves your point rather than is rational. It's your perogative...few will accept it as a reasoned argument but you can't have it all ways I suppose.

I'm also not sure that 33 wickets at 26-ish is particularly profligate but that is also a matter of opinion.

On the basis of your logic you really should be campaigning for the Somerset bowler who is in fact 5 places above Steve in the rankings with his one wicket off four overs - Mr Alex Barrow. Why isn't he in every game replacing one of the other bowlers as his stats are so good?

I take your point about having played not guaranteeing an opinion that is more relevant. I've watched this lot for most of the last 17 years and I feel the same way.



(Sm72)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011:07:23:01:06:22 by Grockle.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 08:11
I'm sure Rodders is well aware that the averages carry little meaning for those that have barely bowled. Many lists apply 'minimum qualifications.'

Speaking of barely bowled, in terms of actually playing cricket at first team level this is only Hussain's second season. Perhaps he also had a season on staff at Gloucs in which he did not play which would then make this his third season on a staff, I don't know?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Tumbles (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 11:07
Charl gets Colly first ball of the day LBW.. good start boys.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 11:22
Very good start. If we get Benkenstein and IDB before lunch we'd be in the box seat.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Kentish Townie (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 12:04
It's just so disappinting because last season I thought we'd placed our bowling troubles behind us and understood that two stand a chance of winning it was all about the wickets.

There are a number of factors in play here; our subsitute oveseas player Mendis not being as good as the Australian chap we had, Hussain struggling, Charl being off form, Phillips having a blinder last year.

Two things stick out for me though; first the Thomas situation. The Vice captain VICE CAPTAIN first not turning up and then being unfit and not delivering. It's left a massive gap in our bowling and is just unacceptable.

The other is we can't let up on our focus in making Taunton a result pitch; even though this season has seen some results, runs still come too easily at HQ..

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 12:24
Three Durham wickets down already this morning, while elsewhere Yorkshire are still making a fight of it in the Roses match.

They need another 68 with two wickets left, with first innings century-maker Richard Pyrah rather strangely still to bat at No.11.

Good future quiz question here.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 12:32
Yep it is looking far more pormising this morning.

AG - Rodders states that 20th is 20th so I think your assumption is incorrect about his view of rankings

KT - it's hard to perform when you are injured. The whole IPL thing is bigger than Ald and Somerset and was sorted out between the club and the player well before the start of it. It will happen again next year because he is contracted to Poona for a two year period.

Mustard just caught by Suppiah 201 for 6.



(Sm72)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 12:38
Now we must make sure that the tail does not wag and that IDB does not have a good day. At least Breese isn't playing.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 12:46
Well played lads... 2 to go.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Wickham (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 12:57
Quote:
geordie moonraker
Now we must make sure that the tail does not wag and that IDB does not have a good day. At least Breese isn't playing.

They seem to have followed your instruction to the letter, GM. What a morning!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
N Hughes (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 13:00
Wow, just tuned in, what a good morning.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 13:14
Both Onions and Harmison will have to more than double their existing best scores to get any where near us and nearly double them to avoid the follow on. Excellent morning-far better than I could have dreamed of

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 13:15
Wow, will be listening this afternoon - was out this morning.

Question - should we have another bat assuming lead of 245 or so?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 13:20
I bet Warks are wishing they'd not contracted Chanderpaul?

I thought Jeetan Patel looked a good bowler when I saw England play in New Zealand and it looks like he will win this match for them.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Wickham (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 13:25
Assuming that conditions this afternoon are roughly the same as they were when we took seven wickets in the morning, I hope that we enforce the follow-on.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 13:36
Personally, I think I would bat again - aim to bat until thirty mins or so after tea

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 14:01
No way AG. That way gives Durham a glimmer. Follow on 260 behind with 60 overs today and 90 tomorrow. I#f they bat for 120 of them at 3 an over- and they must at the moment be in game saving mode, then we are left to score 100 in 30 overs.
Follow on is a must

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 14:08
Viva Mark Turner! Two more 2nd inns wickets - must be a good shot at ten in the match now?

Have Derbyshire coaches found the key to unlock his potential or will this prove a one off? Stay tuned..

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 14:27
An excellent morning.

Well done Somerset, and let's hope that we can turn the screw further this afternoon.

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 14:35
Could do with another one soon to turn said screw, Clarence

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 14:39
Steve Kirby has been inspired today and has had no luck at all. The most dangerous Somerset bowler by far - and that is saying something today.



(Sm72)

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 14:44
Kartik on --- come on Kartik!

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 14:55
We must not forget that Durham are a more than decent batting side, which makes this morning even more admirablle. They are perfectly capable of scoring 400 in the second innings. I remember they rolled us over in a first innings a couple of years ago and we batted very long in the second. I do not expect us to win without batting again, but hope springs eternal

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 14:58
We made five hundred for either five or six following on, but were helped greatly by the rain

This morning must have been a remarkably good effort

Unfortunately, when I have been listening we've taken only three wickets in this match, and one of those was Harmison

What happened this morning - were conditions helpful for bowling? Did we bowl with real fire and brimstone? Were there some loose shots? Was there much help for Kartik?

 
Re: Somerset v Durham
AGod (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 15:16
If no wkt by tea I will switch commentary off and focus on Test as my listening seems to have totally hexed us.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 16:26
Excellent morning today then over there !

Somewhat harder work this afternoon.

Come on lads - BIG effort to get into them.

One down & four more will follow !

Grizzzly

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 16:32
It's because I listened to it after lunch, Grizzly - should have known better

It looks like the colossal run of draws between these two counties will continue

Durham have been by far the best batting side in the CC this season so it was always going to take a great effort to get through them twice --- that rain yesterday looks like it will be costly - this fixture is almost always rain affected and that has played a part in almost all of the sequence of draws

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 17:25
I note 5 penalty runs. I assume the helmet came into play

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 17:57
It did indeed. The ball scooted through CK's legs and hit the helmet directly behind him.

SK has got Di Venuto!!



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Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
rambling sid (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 18:21
Anyone care to make any comment on the incident when kirby was bowling to Smith, there was a loud appeal. It looked to me as though he must have been plumb lbw although possibly it may have been a slip catch. The Somerset players seemed totally convinced he was out, and Kirby was so incensed that he was promptly taken off next over.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 18:22
Well let's hope the uncanny pattern of fight backs after big opening stands continues! They even made 84 in their first dig. I think Kirby got the wkt just before 200? If not I think that would be the third double ton opening partnership against us this season!?

I cannot remember a season like it! I remember seasons where we'd get teams 5 and 6 down quite quickly and then have to watch 7,8, 9 etc bat for a long time.

But consistently giving up big opening stands and then hitting back consistently from there? That's pretty unusual?

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
rodders12 (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 18:46
Taunton once the sun dries out the early moisture ?

Penetrative bowling attack ?

I rest my case.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 18:52
Well, Sid, I hope to God there was no suggestion of dissent shown towards the umpire?

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 19:21
Thinking about it, I suppose the pattern of our innings has been very similar to those of our opponents?

We tend to start well and then fall away somewhat with the bat

We tend to start badly and then hit back with the ball?

Perhaps there is something up with this year's batch of Duke balls?

Maybe something about them is preventing them from swinging as much as they usually would in the early going?

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Norwich SCCC (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 19:37
We need at least 3 or 4 before lunch tomorrow or it could be a long stint in the field.

Almost identical to the match at CLS earlier this season where a clutch of wickets in the morning was followed by a distinct lack of success with the ball.

I'm glad they decided to send in a nightwatchman though as that should give a boost of an early wicket - we still have a squeak of a chance of maximum points.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
ronnies (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 19:55
I would think its a long shot now, but if we can do it this morning why not tomorrow. If we dont it'll be ta ta to the CC for this year.

I have high hopes of Kartik. Bowling on the last day with the pitch hopefully taking more spin, this is why he is here. This is a big day for him now!!

If we can get a couple early it will put the pressure on.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 20:04
Expect we'll be hoping to win toss and bat at Worcester on Tuesday, otherwise we'll find ourselves bowling for three innings on the bounce over a time span of four days?

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
ronnies (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 20:18
well if we dont win this one we'de be as well getting Lewis and Hussain back in and with Alf just back it would rest the others. In terms of actually winning the thing if we cant bowl Durham out then thats what I would do if Im honest.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 20:21
I think we still have to have half an eye on those below us. If we beat Worcs up at Worcester that would virtually make us safe even if we had a late season blip so I think we'd want our strongest team out for that one and that team certainly includes Kirby at the minute.

Possibly, if Hussain was fit then you could rest Charl?

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
NW5Somerset (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 20:32
We can still win this game.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
wsm fan (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 20:42
Why no Kirby from 2.30 - 5.30pm today?

He bowled superbly this morning with no luck at all.

Again his 5 opening overs in 2nd innings were excellent and again no luck.
Then he didnt bowl again until 6 overs to go, and then got a wicket.
None of the others were as dangerous, all steady but none doing enough to warrant his 3 hours grazing.

I did submit my question to Marcus on radio 5 as he was doing the Vaughan 606 show this evening but he didnt really answer, something about going with spin, and Kirby being a little tired.....

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
ronnies (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 20:44
yep......early couple put them under pressure and finish the job.

i am still hopeful!!!

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
edinburghbil (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 21:24
Yes, we are still 50+ runs ahead and it only takes 1 ball to take a wicket.

My fear has always been that for us to get towards the top of the table, Kartik needs to recreate his purple patch of last year. History doesn't suggest he is a consistent match winning bowler in the long form.

Good to see Alf back in the wickets though nonetheless (and the runs)

In the end if we take the wickets, I don't care who gets them!

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 21:32
Day three photos.
What an eventful morning.

The first two photos go together.
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9276/cthorpoffmkartik.jpg

It looks like the bounce that M Kartik got from the delivery made C Thorpe lean forward and ------
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5885/cthorpoffmkartik2.jpg

almost lifted his back foot or dragged it out of the crease.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1855/gonionsoffmkartik.jpg

G Onions, a big appeal went up for lbw off M Kartik’s bowling, it was not given.

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/5299/iblackwellbldathomas.jpg

Ian Blackwell didn’t stay for very long bowled by A Thomas.
Ian tried to pull a short ball and it must have come off the bottom edge of his bat onto the stumps, Ian couldn’t believe how it managed to do that from that position and he stared down at the stumps.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8369/mclaydonctmtrescothickb.jpg

Marcus managed to hang onto this slip catch to dismiss M Claydon off A Thomas.

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4493/mdivenutooffmkartikfunn.jpg

This is my funny one of the day, M Di Venuto took a big swing at the ball I haven’t got a clue how the ball ended up in the air.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3096/ncomptonpracticingcatch.jpg

There is a little story behind this photo.
After Arul Suppiah brilliantly ct P Mustard he was walking back into the outfield with I think N Compton (If you don’t think it is him tell me) and Arul was showing him what position he got in to take the catch, they were both doing it together and after Arul left him on his own you can see him doing it again facing towards the flats.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
rambling sid (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 21:55
WSM fan
Why no Kirby from 2.30 - 5.30. See my comment above. After the appeal, Tres appeared to applaud loudly. Kirby was taken off next over when he was doing better than anyone. Can only assume it was to stop him blowing his top. Smith was very lucky apart from this occasion. Number of near misses outside off stump, also Kartik missed both openers in slips in quick succession.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 22:32
First hour tomorrow will define the rest of our Championship season.

If we can get some early wickets then we can still win this one and stay in distant touch of the top. A fine batting effort might put us under pressure to avoid defeat, a draw and we need to ensure we get enough points not to be dragged down into a relegation fight.

Cummon lads lets get stuck into them!

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 22:39
Well Hants are surely all but down now?

Beat Worcs at Worcester and they would find it tough to finish ahead of us too.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
wsm fan (IP Logged)
23/07/2011 22:43
Agreed, huge morning.

3 possible outcomes tomorrow

- We get early wickets and set up a chaseable target in the afternoon.

- We dont get them out until nearer tea and then have a tough chase for last 30ish overs.

- They bat all day and it fizzles out to a dull draw after tea.

Cant see anyway they will get far enough ahead quickly enough to think of setting us any sort of target. They have huge lead, no way they'd risk losing to us if they have the choice.

If Kirby bowls like he did today he's sure to get wickets, may have got very little reward but he was exvellent and hopefully will get what he deserves in the morning.

Think we need 5 wickets minimum by lunch to keep this game in reach.
If they are still batting at 3/3.15pm i think they will be about safe...

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 10:08
Well the good news is that it is overcast in TA1 this am so perhaps Willo can get the ball to swing.

Wickets will be like London buses - wait for ages then 3 or 4 come along at once!

Shame I can't be there today as there is still life in this one.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Big Jim (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 10:29
I think it has been rather sweet of us allowing them a little freedom to save face.
Smash into theem this morning, mop up the dregs and we'll have this in the bag by tea.
Easy game this cricket.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
old boy! (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 10:51
Quite clear that TRES took SK off to avoid his 2 match being brought into being. However well SK bowled, his histrionics are stupid and self-serving. Unless he can start to understand that his demeanour can cost us more than any personal punishments, but the loss of our only ACE, then he should consider a while in the cooler. Bit late for a leopard to change his spots, but it is so frustrating because SK has a lot to offer.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 11:22
To be fair the stats say that Kieswetter has been the biggest miscreant. Even if Kirby incurs a second penalty he will only have tied Craig K.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 11:27
Interesting that you all seem to have decided that SK is some kind of discipline problem. No-one seems to have had anything like the same impression here.

Kirby had bowled an awful lot of big effort good stuff. The pitch had flattened out, we saw no movement at all for most of the afternoon after a little bit from SK at the start of second innings.

You did notice that we used spin nearly all of the afternoon and most of that was from the River...the end SK was bowling at.

If it was such a problem why did he bring him back? He had a lot of 'rested' seamers.

If it was such a problem then why was Steve having banter with the umpires and the supporters in the Trescothick for most of the afternoon?

Very strange perception of a non event IMHO.



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Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 11:27
All sounds really easy for them thus far as evidenced by the fact we cannot get the night-watchman out.

What we cannot have is the night watchman being around to take up some of the new ball - he must be gone by then.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
old boy! (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 11:27
OK my comments also apply to CK although his 'older brother!' should be setting a good example.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 11:33
And that is exactly what he was doing OB.

Good aggressive pace bowling with commitment and drive that kept us in the game and kept them on their toes. He was applauded by the supporters after almost every over as he returned to his fielding position.

The only person I saw MT having any kind of a word with yesterday was Murali Kartik. If anyone was keeping up the spirits and the focus of the side it was Craig's 'older brother'.



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Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 11:43
Well, give it a burst with the new ball and if the track still gives every impression of being a road then call the pace dogs off after twenty or so overs with the new ball and just have the spinners bowl out the rest of the game - the pacemen could use a rest in case they have to bowl first at New Road

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 11:44
Smith gone to MK for 114



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Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 11:47
Presently pace at the River and spin at the OP. Claydon looked better than Smith this morning and he nearly went earlier in the over before Trecothick took him at slip.

Excellent innings (in fact game) from Will Smith though.

There doesn't seem to be a lot in the strip this morning so it could be a long old day!!



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Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 11:47
Yes, hallelujah

Get Claydon out and then two new batsmen in vs the new ball and then there might be an opening

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 11:51
They haven't taken the new one yet (82 overs) and Arul has just been brought on at the River.

Sorry. Misread the scoreboard. Arul was on with 82 to go. The new ball has been taken for the 81st over of the innings.



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011:07:24:12:01:46 by Grockle.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 12:15
Muchall gone LBW to Willow 13 for 3!!



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Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 12:30
Need at least one more before lunch

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 12:50
That will do nicely!!

Awesome by Alf

Break Colly/IDB partnership within an hour of lunch and this really could be on!!!

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 12:58
Next two partnerships will surely go most of the way towards deciding this game

Commentators talking about LoL's hero as prize wicket, but I'd prefer IDB and then Mustard as their ability to score quickly makes them more of a potential problem, in my eyes

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 13:45
Well, here it comes - the decisive partnership of the game

Break this quickly and we're huge favourites

If these two bat for ninety mins they'll be quite a way on, though

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 13:58
Alfonso the GREAT---

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 14:00
Grockle - you mention the fifty all out - i presume you were alluding to Warks

But Durham also bowled us out for something like that a couple of seasons ago? The game where we then followed on with five hundred for six

Still, we should surely win this now so long as it stays dry

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 14:01
Bye Bye Blackie - superb faster delivery from Alf and he's on his way.



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Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 14:12
Wow --- do not want to hex anything but if we do do what it looks like we will do and go on to win this, I'd say this would be our best CC win in our current Div One incarnation?

This has been BY FAR the form batting line up in CC one this season AND we must have lost, what, fourty or so overs to rain?

So to bowl them out twice - and without Kartik taking many wickets - would be an absolutely terrific accomplishment, IMO

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Bobstan (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 14:12
Reports of Charl's demise seem to have been premature.

I am so pleased for this fine servant of Somerset.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
N Hughes (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 14:22
Come on Somerset. Two more wickets.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 14:24
Thorp gone to Thommo 330 for 9.



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Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 14:24
One more {and some runs}

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
ronnies (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 14:29
this is some effort by the boys. A lot of LBWs in our favour but I supppose that means we are bowling straight.

What a win this could be!!!

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 14:54
Bored of this stand, now - time for it to end

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 14:57
Luck and tail end 'nowse' making it difficult for us. Onions and Harmison are doing an excellent job against good bowling. Leaving the right ones and taking any opportunities provided...plus large lumps of luck!!



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Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 15:02
If we need to will we re-jig the batting order if time becomes a big factor in this equation?

Tres is really the only one in the scheduled top four that is a quick scorer?

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 15:11
Phew

Come on now, Banger, let's get these dashed off pretty quickly

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 15:32
The runner law change is ridiculous - I'd far rather see the clamp down on fielders going off the field all the time for no apparent reason - often, I suspect for a shower or just to have a break

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 16:52
What a magnificent victory -- huge congratulations to everyone involved

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 16:55
An excellent and comprehensive win, with very good all – round team performances.

Well played Somerset.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Bobstan (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 16:58
Indeed. Sounds like a fine innings from Arul and a totally appropriate one from NRDC.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Wickham (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 17:00
A magnificent win. I reckon that the team has shown great character to fight back after the disappointment of conceding a large first wicket partnership yesterday.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 17:00
One in the bag - a few more to go which we need to win as well as that. Good confidence booster for us though. Arul looked in excellent touch and Nick ran the legs off the Durham fielders...and I don't get to say that very often.

:-)



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Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
ronnies (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 17:00
A brilliant win. A days rest then on we go again.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Bobstan (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 17:02
Nick is a very good runner.
Just not always between the wickets.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Norwich SCCC (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 17:06
Great performance all round.

This current 11 could demolish any other county in the land.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Big Jim (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 17:07
So sorry everyone, I'm never usually so far adrift with my predictions.
For those who backed us to win before tea I offer a 10% discount on future commission.

Get in.
Bonny lads.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 17:17
Wow !

What a terrific result to wake up to !

Fantastic victory over the team far & away fovourites for the Championship. Loads of positives to take from this.

Hope we can build on this, as if we do, anything is possible.......

Great stuff.

Grizzzly

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 17:23
Excellent win over a strong batting side - how good would we be if the wicket wasn't such a road, eh?!...or if we weren't such an averageside.

With Willo, Alfie and Murali back on song, anything's possible from here on...

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
ronnies (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 17:37
Kartik contribted Shep no doubt...lets wait till he really hits his straps. Kirby too bowled well according to Grockle and the team but without much luck so maybe he is due some too in future games

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 17:45
As Roy K said on the commentary (and I don't think he was the only one). Kirbs, Kartik and Trigger will bowl poorer stuff and take more wickets before this season is over.

Excellent bowling performance from everyone and the batting sorted its issues out and did us proud at the end.

Arul looked really good.



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Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 17:50
I agree ronnie - I was just singling out those bowlers who hadn't done too much yet this season - Kirby, as we know, has had a pretty good season so far.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 18:05
Well, we were at full strength for the first time all season and it looks like it made a big difference

Now let's go up to New Road and deal the home side a big relegation blow

Be interesting to see what kind of track they prepare -- they might, possibly, go with a turning track, reasoning that Ajmal vs Kartik has more chance of going well for them than Richardson and Andrew vs our seamers?

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
rodders12 (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 19:46
Reference yesterday and today - well done the team !

I will retire to the dunces corner and eat large quantities of humble pie.

Got it wrong bigtime !

However, realism cuts in and we are a long, long way off the pace for the title.

One match does not a season make - not yet anyway !

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
wsm fan (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 19:57
Fantastic performance the whole match, few quiet sessions Saturday but we still kept going and got there in the end.

Agree we are a very very long way from talking about title but if we keep playing like that we will not go far wrong.

Kirby was superb the whole match, over the 2 innings its not over the top to say he beat the bat at least 30 times, just no luck at all.
Can only presume our bowlers were moving it too much, not one catch for CK all match, largely lbw or caught 2nd/3rd slip.

Roll on Tuesday, on paper a game we've a very good chance of winning, forecast looks good too.

Everything looks so much brighter after a win!


Note - Marcus stats for the season after 10 games

19 innings, 1 not out, 1398 runs at 77.67,
What a man, every chance of 2000 for the season.....

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 20:11
Great news to come home to - veyr well done Lads. That was a superb performance aginst a very good side.

Yes we are a long way off the top at the moment but momentum is good and pressure on those above us can create situations which could be to our advantage!

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Big Jim (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 20:13
The season started for real today.
There's plenty of time to get back to our rightful spot, so therefore I'd like to thank the lovely lads and lasses of Durham for keeping our berth tidy, warm and well swept.
Let's face it, we're different gravy.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 20:37
Steve Harmison was interesting talking in the bar afterwards.

Asked why Durham had elected to field first given the result, he said that when they arrived shortly after 9 am on the first day, the wicket was emerald green. They decided there and then it would suit their seamers, and they would bowl first if they won the toss.

But when the match actually began at 11am, a lot of the grass had been shaved off and it was a pretty good although not totally flat track.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Big Jim (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 20:43
That's what Collingwood said on Radio5 last night, along with his complaints about towels.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 20:56
Huh? Since the toss was not held at 9am I don't understand that at all?

Presumably Durham are not claiming that we mowed the pitch AFTER the toss!?

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 20:57
4th day photos.

The win today puts us firmly in forth place.

An excellent win achieved by a all round performance.
I almost shouted out when Steve was bowling, bowl it slower maybe they will hit it.

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/3108/cthorpctjhildrethbldath.jpg

C Thorp, ct J Hildreth third slip, bld A Thomas.

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3690/cwilloughbyhurtfingerfr.jpg

I was concerned for a while when Charl Willoughby got his hand on the ball when it was hit straight back at him along the ground and it hit the stumps at the bowlers end, the batsman was in his crease but Charl hurt his hand in doing it.

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/4084/dbenkensteinbldathomas.jpg

A bit of imagination is needed here the stumps were sent flying when A Thomas bowled D Benkenstein.

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7959/dbenkensteinbldathomas2.jpg

And you can tell from all the smiles that they knew that Benkenstein wicket was crucial.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4568/ianblackwellctmarcusbld.jpg

Ian Blackwell didn’t have a good match; the Taunton crowd still warms to him.
He was caught by Marcus T bowled by Alfonso T.

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/8009/mtrescothickbldgonions.jpg

A shame Marcus couldn’t be there at the end of the match, he was bowled by G Onions.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Big Jim (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 20:59
Superb pictures, Michael.

As for Collingwood, that's what he seemed to be saying last night, AG.

Pretty serious stuff.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 21:00
Quote:
AGod
Huh? Since the toss was not held at 9am I don't understand that at all?
Presumably Durham are not claiming that we mowed the pitch AFTER the toss!?

My very thought AG, they always do a final cut on the morning of the match. (before the toss)

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 21:14
I didn't take it as Harmison "claiming" anything, just an observation or statement of fact as they saw it. They're experienced enough, SH especially, to know that a pitch might be mown after 9am. I'm sure Phil Mustard and his coach (Moxon?) wouldn't have a totally closed mind as early as 9am.

I just took it as (in the way I believe Marcus and JL have thought in recent years) this wicket's flat and won't change much - IF it's to do anything, it'll be on the first morning.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 21:20
I was in the bar and Harmison most certainly wasn`t claiming anything.

He was just stating the fact that the wicket looked emerald green when they first arrived at the ground, but had lost quite a bit of grass when they went out to field. He made no comment on what it was like when the toss was taken.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
BristolRob (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 21:28
It wouldn't make any difference to Harmison what colour the wicket was,as he hardly pitched a delivery on it!



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 21:40
Maybe that's it - he was looking at the wrong strip, even when he was bowling!

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Scrumper (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 21:56
Those pictures make Blackie look over 20 stone (Sm135)

Did you use the wide-angle lens Mike?

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Bobstan (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 22:09
Similar thoughts had occurred to me, fRed.

He's looking a bit Colin Milburnish.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 23:06
Law 10 states:-

"Mowing of the pitch on any day shall be completed not later than 30 minutes before the time scheduled or rescheduled for play to begin on that day, before any sweeping prior to rolling."

Law 12 states:-

"The captains shall toss for the choice of innings, on the field of play and in the presence of one or both of the umpires, not earlier than 30 minutes, nor later than 15 minutes before the scheduled or any rescheduled time for the match to start."

Thus, if my interpretation of the above is correct, the toss can not take place before the final mowing.

However, I am pleased to learn that Harmison "most certainly wasn`t claiming anything."

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
NW5Somerset (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 23:38
Quote:
NW5Somerset
We can still win this game.

Keep the faith.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Big Jim (IP Logged)
24/07/2011 23:52
Never lost it, this one was in the bag the minute our groundsman cut the strip just after the........ooooh, sorry, twas supposed to be a secret.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
25/07/2011 08:24
Jim you have revealed one of LoL’s secrets projects an invisible mover.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
25/07/2011 08:29
Yes, I wasn't really suggesting that Durham were claiming that we mowed it after the toss - I was being a bit facetious - what I was really getting at is that, presumably, they did not bother to look at the pitch again after it was mown and before the toss!?

Either that or they totally ignored what was in front of their eyes in a desperate case of wishful thinking!

Still, even if the pitch had still been green when they started bowling they would be far from the first team to be deceived into fielding by a 'green looking,' but not really 'green playing,' surface.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Big Jim (IP Logged)
25/07/2011 08:45
They were outplayed, outthought and outgunned from the very first ball, hence their outlandish claims.
They came down to HQ with high hopes, a win would have put them firmly in the box-seat for another CC crown, their confidence was sky high.
But they hadn't compensated for us being back to our best, a team that when firing all cylinders is untouchable, unplayable and almost unbelievable.
They'll limp back up North and lick their wounds, it is a reality check for them, we'll hear no more from them for a while now.
We however must press on, smash the living daylights out of all comers and claim what is rightly ours for the very first time.
Yes, that's right......we must claim our ten bob from the Messenger.
We were lucky indeed to have found Kolley Kibber's calling card.
It's up to us now to take control.
Outstanding.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
25/07/2011 08:59
AG, I understood what you were saying that was also the point I was trying to make, but you said it more clearly.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Streeter (IP Logged)
25/07/2011 16:53
I just took a look back through the final tables since the championship became two divisions. Winning total points break down as - 1 over 250, 3 over 240, 1 over 230 , 1 over 220, 3 over 210 , 1 over 200 and 1 over 190 (!).
Four wins and two draws could take us over 240 . By no means impossible on the basis of this latest magnificent performance. Could Alfie be the final piece in the winning jigsaw ? Go on boys all to play for.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
wsm fan (IP Logged)
25/07/2011 18:49
Loads more wins this year than draws by all teams, therefore winning total likely to be much higher than in past seasons.

Stiull a chance but going to be very very tough

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
25/07/2011 19:37
WSM Fan, the increase in the number of win seems to have started last year. I remember saying at the end of last season how much more wins there were in diversion one from the previous year.

2008, 32 wins.

2009, 29 wins.

2010, 43 wins.

2011, 35 win so far this season.

The only thing I can think of that was different for everybody was the ban on the use of the heavy roller starting last year, fewer points for a draw may have made a difference but I don’t think it would have made that much of a difference.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
25/07/2011 20:29
I agree with you, Mike.

Many people cite the points switch but it was relatively minor, therefore I think the roller change is key.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Scrumper (IP Logged)
26/07/2011 01:13
I love it when the stats appear (Sm109)

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
26/07/2011 08:51
I like stats they do tell a tale but I never take a single stat on it’s own that doesn't tell me very much, when a stat becomes a trend that’s when I take notice.

I thought last year’s higher number of wins may have been a one off but so far this year is showing it may not have been.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Streeter (IP Logged)
26/07/2011 10:59
I'm not sure how the total wins predict the final winning points though

2008, 32 wins. 190pts

2009, 29 wins. 240pts

2010, 43 wins. 214pts

2011, 35 win so far this season ?

It obviously depends on how the wins are shared out. I offered this merely to show that it ain't over yet. Whether it's lies , damn lies or whatever we'll only know come the end of September.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
27/07/2011 00:27
It was a privilege to watch almost every ball of the Sussex match and a real pleasure to spend time with familiar friends at the County Ground. I must, however, mention that it was sad no longer to have the chance to talk with Peter Yeates or Bill Leeds.
It is too late (and would be too pretentious of me) to write a full report of the match, but I would like to mention the following:-
a) Trescothick once again demonstrated his giant stature
b) Kirby could not have bowled with greater heart or less good fortune
c) I had never seen Suppiah, in all his wristy elegance, bat as well as he did in the first innings until he batted in the second

As for that damnably dull wicket at Taunton, a quick trawl of my records shows the following:
2007: 5 results out of 8 at Taunton; 6/8 away
2008: 3 results out of 8 at Taunton; 2/8 away
2009: 1 results out of 8 at Taunton; 3/8 away
2010: 4 results out of 8 at Taunton; 4/8 away
2011: 4 results out of 4 at Taunton; 4/6 away

That hardly shows any significant discrepancy (and it should be noted that rain has contributed to a number of draws at Taunton in recent years)



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Bobstan (IP Logged)
27/07/2011 07:34
LoL. I have long suspected that you have the gift of prophesy.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
27/07/2011 09:36
But possibly not recall.. although I note that LoL says that too long has elapsed for it to be worth him providing a full report, so I do wonder if he is referring to the 2009 home game with Sussex, in which case I would agree that a full report might be a bit superfluous...



er... edited as I, myself, forgot that Sussex were not in our division last season.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011:07:27:09:40:37 by AGod.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Bobstan (IP Logged)
27/07/2011 10:26
Did you enjoy your trip to the Weston Homes Stadium yesterday, AG? There's nothing like a good queue.

I'm slightly guessing here!

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
AGod (IP Logged)
27/07/2011 10:35
I was not there. I understand that no goals were there, either?

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Bobstan (IP Logged)
27/07/2011 11:04
I had wrongly assumed that I AM GOD who posts occasionally on TWTD might be you, Mr G. Apologies for that.

No, no goals and abandoned a few minutes from the end.

 
Re: CC1 Stand or Fall?
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
27/07/2011 11:16
Sorry about the errors in my previous posting; you will note that it was made at about the time BJ gets up.



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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

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