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Overton C - Big Day!!

By Grockle et al
May 9 2012

With plenty of injuries and further depleted by the Lions call up of Nick Compton we journey to Chester le Street to face Durham in a very important four day game.  Not just important because of its effect on the 2012 Championship but also for it's effect on the mental character of a side  where five of the side haven't reached 21 yet!!

v DURHAM CC1 @ The Emirates Stadium Chester le Street Wednesday 9 May 2012

Scorecard

Commentary

James Hildreth faces a captain's game today when he takes his very young side out against Durham away from home.  The side is almost all the men who can walk, bowl and wield a back.  Jason Kerr will be twelfth man (long time since I've typed that.  Seems the Overtons were 8 when it last happened).  We have no Trescothick, Kirby, Compton (Lions call). Dibble,Buttler (webbing injury), Hussain or Overton J.  Rose does not remember an injury situation like this in his career either as a player or a coach/administrator and I haven't seen this in the time since 1994.  So....

Suppiah, Gregory, Hildreth, Trego, Kieswetter, Barrow, Meschede, Dockrell, Philander, Waller, Overton C

is the team we have to field.  It has to perform because there are no more people in the hutch!!  Jason will have to bowl if anyone gets injured this game!!

The loss of the captain in the batting is bad enough but we have also lost our anchor iin the line-up as his early form has sent Nick Compton to hopefully face the Windies for the Lions tomorrow.  Overton's first 4 overs for 10 makes for a good start but the loss of Steve, Adam and Gemaal along with the absence of Alf (sitting watching for most of the time in India) has put huge pressure on the bowling unit and asked a lot from the all rounders.

Conditions allow us to start on time.  James wins the toss and puts Durham in.  They have not been in great form during the first month of the season so I suppose he needs to see what they can do and work from there. Vernon Philander opens the bowling with Craig Overton  and the first 14 runs come mostly from the bat of Di Venuto off the bowling of the South African.  He doesn't last too long though as he is caught behind with 14 at 22.  First blood early on but how will our first change bowlers and the spin duo do?

Well we'll all see won't we....More to come

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09/05/2012 10:41
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DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
BristolRob (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 07:34
Jamie Overton injured his elbow on friday and will not be fit to play.
Alex Barrow and Max Waller will be added to the squad that played Lancashire,less Nick Compton.



Who put the A in Trego?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012:05:06:07:40:09 by Grockle.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 07:37
As someone tweeted to Alex last night - a time of big opportunity for the boy who hit his first sixes in public it seems in the club match last weekend? It's on the club cricket thread.

I think Alex has something about him and hope he gets the chance to show it in a difficult match for us under normal circumstances.



(Sm72)

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
old boy! (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 07:47
Play Max as a lower order All-rounder!!!

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
BristolRob (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 07:48
A good opportunity for Alex to kick on now after his injury.Although having problems throwing he hopes to get a full bill of health next week.He seemed to be throwing ok yesterday although looks can deceive.He was the substitute fielder in the Pro40 game at The Oval,appearing in a 2nds and firsts game on the same day.



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 08:42
So Alex has not yet been entirely cleared to play, medically?

When I saw him last season he looked a compact player who plays it late. We surely need him to be fit to cover Compton?

Alex did make a 69 or something in a low scoring game late last season at Headingley.

If he can't play, will we bring Chris Jones back from Durham?

I can't see many other options for covering a top three batting place?

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 09:22
Isn't Chris already there? The ECB is showing this as an Away fixture at the "Emirates" - I assume that is the new name for Chester le Street?



(Sm72)

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
wsm fan (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 09:35
Jones still at uni i believe so answer there is no.

Rose states today we only have 13 fit players in the squad.

So that is team from last match v Lancs less Compton (Lions) so that leaves 12 fir for Durham by my maths.

So that means the 11 from Lancs less Compo, less J Overton (injured), leaves 9! Then add on 2 of Barrow, Max and Craig Overton.

As much as i like Max is Durham away in the current weather the right time to play 2 outright spinners (plus Arul)?

So i'm guessing line up may be something like.....

Arul, Gregory, Barrow, Hildy, Kieswetter, Jos, Trego, Meschede, C Overton, Vernon, George

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 09:39
Chris Jones may not be able to up sticks and play at Chester-Le-Street for 4 days, it would depend on his university committments particularly at this time of year when exams are likely to feature.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Wickham (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 09:44
wsm fan: it was Cove who played against Lancashire. (Jove played against Surrey and evidently was injured in the process - a pity, because I think he shaped up well).

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
wsm fan (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 10:00
Apologies, i am yet to establish my knowledge of both properly yet, seems we'll be seeing plenty of both in coming weeks anyway given our bowler situation, big chance for them and all our youngsters to stake claims ready for when (hopefully) come mid June majority of our squad will be fit, bar Marcus.....

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
old boy! (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 10:20
IMO Jos should be batting ahead of Craig K in the 4 day game. Craig always seems more comfortable giving it a bash than playing more conservatively in CC.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Kentish Townie (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 12:26
A shame that a spate of injuries seems to have put paid to our season before it started. The process of blooding youngsters which usually takes place in August is happening rather earlier.

The folly of our small squad, especially the absence of bowling back up is now clear. Having three seam bowlers inj
ured at the same time is unfortunate. What is not unfortunate is the shameful absence of Alfonso Thomas at the Money grabbing IPL. The lack of loyalty from such a senior player is shocking really. How can he influence a season coming in half way through?

Letting Charl Willougby go was clearly a mistake, as was not having more batting cover. We're the best supported team supposedly, where did the budget go? We've even been ditched by our 20 20 signing.

Grockle of course will put the positive gloss. And to be fair it's good to see a homegrown team. But questions. if Alex Barrow was out batting backup why isn't he fit? And is Lewis Gregory more than a bits and pieces player? It could be a long hard season.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 12:39
KT, I agree with most of what you have put.

Alex Barrow is just coming back from a shoulder operation.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Mark (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 12:50
Quote:
Grockle
Isn't Chris already there? The ECB is showing this as an Away fixture at the "Emirates" - I assume that is the new name for Chester le Street?
Yes, the full (ludicrous)name is Durham Emirates International Cricket Ground.

Needless to say things have not being going according to plan for Durham.None of the top 6 have reached 50 yet(Mustard and Mitch Claydon(!) are the half-centurions.)

There are mitigating circumstances-seamer friendly conditions in general, one total washout against Surrey and lots of rain against Middlesex meant the batsmen had to try and score quickly in the first innings and then after yet more rain on the final day afternoon had to try and chase around 130 in 16 overs.

The problem of course if batsmen need to spend time in the middle in order to find form but they can't spend that time in the middle precisely because they're out of form so it's a sort of catch 22 situation.

Vernon Philander against our out of form/short on practice batsmen could (from a Durham point of view) be painful to watch, not that I'm suggesting he will be the only threat-facing unfamiliar bowlers must be tricky for batsmen because they won't know what to expect.

Ben Stokes is missing for Durham-he was going to play for the Lions but has been ruled out of that game with a back injury, I expect Mark Stoneman will come in for him and we might play an extra seamer(probably Ruel Brathwaite) instead of Borthwick-Benkenstein has a bad toe and is unlikely to bowl.

Liam Plunkett & Steve Harmison were both close to returning for the first game of the season but Geoff Cook felt they needed to get some overs under their belt in the second team-rain has scuppered those plans so they're both almost certainly not going to be selected for this match.

Team will probably be:

DiVenuto
Smith
Stoneman
Collingwood
Benkenstein
Blackwell
Mustard
Borthwick/Brathwaite
Thorp
Onions
Claydon

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 13:47
Oh no, I thought Onions was playing the Lions' game?

Be really tough for a top three including two guys that have played about 16 games between them to deal with him, especially as one of those two has only had two innings in the top three at senior level.

Frankly I wonder if it's not worth asking somebody like Craig K to open with Arul and then bat Barrow at three? Craig K is used to facing a new white ball, just not a new red one.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 14:02
We actually have a fair forecast for the Wednesday.

Thursday looks dreadful, though.

Forecast for both wed and thur looks dodgy for most other grounds.

Very surprised that Worcs agreed to this kind of contrivance at Lord's.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 15:18
You'll have to wait for my positive gloss KT but thanks for the negative one all the same. I assume that will be you for the season then as it is already over... see you in November or December to moan about the AGM or something :-)

Adieu(Sm150)



(Sm72)

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
old boy! (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 15:31
Quote:
Kentish Townie
A shame that a spate of injuries seems to have put paid to our season before it started. The process of blooding youngsters which usually takes place in August is happening rather earlier.
The folly of our small squad, especially the absence of bowling back up is now clear. Having three seam bowlers inj
ured at the same time is unfortunate. What is not unfortunate is the shameful absence of Alfonso Thomas at the Money grabbing IPL. The lack of loyalty from such a senior player is shocking really. How can he influence a season coming in half way through?

Letting Charl Willougby go was clearly a mistake, as was not having more batting cover. We're the best supported team supposedly, where did the budget go? We've even been ditched by our 20 20 signing.

Grockle of course will put the positive gloss. And to be fair it's good to see a homegrown team. But questions. if Alex Barrow was out batting backup why isn't he fit? And is Lewis Gregory more than a bits and pieces player? It could be a long hard season.

We have to deal with the cricket world as it is, and not how we would like it to be. Are you the one who is going to tell Alfie that he should turn down money which helps his family? There is a Somerset solution - pay him enough to mean he couldn't make more in IPL, but that has consequences - every other player would want more money, AND THERE IS A limit on the amount available under the rules of the ECB!

Let's enjoy seeing some of these young players "step up to the plate" and hopefully prove a huge future advantage for us.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
old boy! (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 15:34
Mike TA1
Hi Mike - as you agree with KT what is your solution??

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 16:22
I did say I agreed with most of what he said, maybe I should have said some of what he said.

1. A shame that a spate of injuries seems to have put paid to our season before it started. The process of blooding youngsters which usually takes place in August is happening rather earlier. “Agree”
2. The folly of our small squad, especially the absence of bowling back up is now clear. Having three seam bowlers injured at the same time is unfortunate. “Agree the squad is too small”
3. What is not unfortunate is the shameful absence of Alfonso Thomas at the Money grabbing IPL. The lack of loyalty from such a senior player is shocking really. How can he influence a season coming in half way through? “Disagree”
4. Letting Charl Willougby go was clearly a mistake. “Agree”

Is that clearer ‘old boy’

The solution.

1. No solution.
2. Bigger squad to cover for injuries.
3. No answer for that one, I disagreed.
4. You know my feelings on that one.


Edit - To strike through a bit I disagreed with.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012:05:06:16:28:15 by Mike TA1.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
old boy! (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 16:41
Thanks Mike! Now have a nice cream tea!!!

(Sm145)

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 16:46
‘old boy’ I wasn’t upset by your question it is that some disagree with everything KT says and I have in the past, but when he says something I do agree with I we say so.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
old boy! (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 16:54
You are always honest and straight forward! In fact, thinking about it, just like we would like our young bowlers to be.
See you next time we are at home on County Ground! Subject to the weather, of course!!

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Mark (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 18:03
Quote:
AGod
We actually have a fair forecast for the Wednesday.
Thursday looks dreadful, though.

Forecast for both wed and thur looks dodgy for most other grounds.

Very surprised that Worcs agreed to this kind of contrivance at Lord's.
I was equally surprised that the Worcestershire captain was daft enough to agree to a run chase...astonishingly though it was his idea in the first place(according to cricinfo)

They had next to no chance of getting anywhere near the target-their batting is mediocre at the best of times let alone in what were(presumably)seamer friendly conditions.
I could have understood it if it had been towards the end of the season and they were desperate for a win but they have handed win points to a team who could be involved with them in a relegation dogfight at the end of the season.Madness.

 
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Grizzzly (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 18:14
Well, we have to make do with what we have I guess.

It's a shame the injury situation is as bad as it is, but there is nothing that can be done there. I do however think the club is open to scrutiny re the timing of Marcus's surgery - if only that had been done last autumn.....

Was there really any realistic chance of his getting through without 'going under the knife' ?

Just hope we can keep our motivation going. A real test of character for the players & especially for James in taking in the leadership role.

As for the oft helf debate re Alf, I am torn between his obvious commitment to SCCC when he is here & his right to earn a living for his family, against the 'money is everything' philosophy engendered by the IPL.

I don't have the answer, but it plays havoc with continuity and can't help team spirit.

Still, that is the nature of the world in which we now all live...................................unfortunately.

Grizzzly



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Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 18:19
Worcestershire's attitude is win 4 matches and you stay up. Last year they LOST 11, drew 1, and won 4. Therefore, from their point of view they want 4 wins, not 3 points for a draw. It's a good lesson actually- doesn't matter how many you lose- just so long as you win 4, so from their perspecive it made sense. Saved Middlesex the problem of having to take 18 wickets in one day- only needed 10. But, if there had been no rain (mostly bad light infact) I'm sure Middlesex would have won anyway.

Edit- By the way it was Worcestershire's idea- no arm twisting by Middlesex. There's every chance they will do the same thing whoever they are up against.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012:05:06:18:23:12 by chunkyinargyll.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Mark (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 18:29
Quote:
chunkyinargyll
Worcestershire's attitude is win 4 matches and you stay up. Last year they LOST 11, drew 1, and won 4. Therefore, from their point of view they want 4 wins, not 3 points for a draw. It's a good lesson actually- doesn't matter how many you lose- just so long as you win 4, so from their perspecive it made sense. Saved Middlesex the problem of having to take 18 wickets in one day- only needed 10. But, if there had been no rain (mostly bad light infact) I'm sure Middlesex would have won anyway.
Edit- By the way it was Worcestershire's idea- no arm twisting by Middlesex. There's every chance they will do the same thing whoever they are up against.

Fair point, the decision makes more sense to me now. My opinion still is that they had no realistic chance of winning or surviving the day but I can now understand why their captain made the decision.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 18:32
But I think Worcs staying up with those 11 defeats last season was an unusual/freakish occurrence, 4 wins or not?

I'd have thought the points tally they clocked up last season would get them relegated most seasons?

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 18:37
Not really- 5 draws=15 points. One win=16 points.

If you know you are the weakest team in the division it kind of makes sense. It worked for them last year, but as they have now played four games statistically they needed to win today. Hence a seemingly reckless decision. Either way- I'm not complaining!

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
BristolRob (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 19:06
I think a few of you have been misled with my info on Alex.He is fit to play having played a 2nds game last week and 2 club games this weekend.He was due to get final clearance from the specialist surgeon next week.Obviously as he's playing at Durham things have had to be put on hold until Alex is free to see him.



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 20:08
Right - Good. Thanks, BR.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Roger Sweet (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 20:23
There are still so many negative comments out there. Perhaps our hopes of winning our first County Championship have been dented slightly by the injury "crisis". But is it that bad? A couple of years ago at the Taunton Chapter AGM, Andy Hurry was proudly telling us that 4 Academy players played for England UXVIIs that year. Now we are seeing them playing for the first XI.

I like what I have seen. What a great learning experience. Let us remember how well Andy Dibble bowled in the Champions' League last Autumn in India. A senior and respected figure in the game has likened Craig Overton to a young Freddie (let us hope he does not like boating!!!!).

Let us rejoice in what our Academy is producing. The experience gained this Summer can only be good for us in future seasons. I am ever so proud that the oldest member of our team against Surrey was only 30 years old - whether "old man" Peter likes it - I am not so sure but his bowling this year has been a revelation.

We have waited much longer than our old man from Tibet to win our first county championship. Surely another couple of years will provide us with an even better base. Who knows, we might be competing with Derbyshire for this in the next 2 years!!!

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Bobstan (IP Logged)
06/05/2012 21:32
LoL's not old - he's just not very good at counting.

Although he is older than those who are younger than he, just as Treeeeeego is.

Alan Hanson told me that you can't win anything with youngsters. This season Somerset will, of course, prove him wrong again.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Tractor (IP Logged)
07/05/2012 07:42
I don't want to be pedantic here, Bobs, but I think you missed out an 'e' in Treeeeeeego.
Cheers.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Grockle (IP Logged)
07/05/2012 08:12
Hear hear Roger



(Sm72)

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
old boy! (IP Logged)
07/05/2012 08:26
Quote:
Roger Sweet
There are still so many negative comments out there. Perhaps our hopes of winning our first County Championship have been dented slightly by the injury "crisis". But is it that bad? A couple of years ago at the Taunton Chapter AGM, Andy Hurry was proudly telling us that 4 Academy players played for England UXVIIs that year. Now we are seeing them playing for the first XI.
I like what I have seen. What a great learning experience. Let us remember how well Andy Dibble bowled in the Champions' League last Autumn in India. A senior and respected figure in the game has likened Craig Overton to a young Freddie (let us hope he does not like boating!!!!).

Let us rejoice in what our Academy is producing. The experience gained this Summer can only be good for us in future seasons. I am ever so proud that the oldest member of our team against Surrey was only 30 years old - whether "old man" Peter likes it - I am not so sure but his bowling this year has been a revelation.

We have waited much longer than our old man from Tibet to win our first county championship. Surely another couple of years will provide us with an even better base. Who knows, we might be competing with Derbyshire for this in the next 2 years!!!

RS Well said. It is the sort of attitude that a few of us have been posting for a while. Bring on the lads - a few of them will make us proud supporters, hopefully during this season.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Bobstan (IP Logged)
07/05/2012 08:39
You're not wrong, Tractor.

I'm writing out my resignation from the National Society of Pedants, and sending it off to the President, a formerly very high altitude gentleman.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
07/05/2012 08:43
Quote:
Tractor
I don't want to be pedantic here, Bobs, but I think you missed out an 'e' in Treeeeeeego.
Cheers.

And, likewise, in the case of Mystic Alan, esteemed football soothsayer.

 
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Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
07/05/2012 09:14
I'm very encouraged by the start made by our younger players in the most recent couple of seasons and certainly happy to wait a few more years for the championship; I may have been reincarnated by then, but I'll still be (plus a few more years)...



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Bobstan (IP Logged)
07/05/2012 09:50
Sorry, AGod:

Hanseneeeeeeeeeeeee

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
07/05/2012 13:15
just to change the subject slightly, by the time Philander gets to Durham he will have bowled 22 overs in 3 and half weeks............he must be absolutely shattered!!!

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
07/05/2012 13:21
Yes. If there ever was any two games on, one off, agreement then we must surely expect that it can be shelved for the remainder of his stay.

One would certainly hope that he will play vs both Durham and Surrey.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
07/05/2012 13:46
Quote:
Bobstan
Sorry, AGod:
Hanseneeeeeeeeeeeee

Thank you Boobstan. We'll call you.



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
BristolRob (IP Logged)
07/05/2012 14:05
Philander is on his way to Newcastle so you can all breathe a sigh of relief.The team were flying to Newcastle airport this afternoon.



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
07/05/2012 15:15
He must be raging that this damn cricket is interrupting his holiday.(Sm100)

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
07/05/2012 15:16
Pity he didn't arrive yesterday and score a hat trick for United.



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
07/05/2012 22:28
As AGod says the forecast is reasonable for Wednesday but not for Thursday. I (and Mrs GM) am looking forward to the coming 5 days.We've no idea what will happen but we shall proudly support Somerset in our best West country accents (well me anyway), being thrilled that we have such promising young cricketers on our books. Suppiah will get a ton, Barrow will bat like Compton,Craig and Jos will score quick 50'. Vernon and Peter will rip through the top order and George and MAx will bamboozle the lowere order.
This may not happen of course, but it is the scenario I am going to Chester- le St expecting to see!!

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Mark (IP Logged)
07/05/2012 23:26
You may get at least part of what you wish for geordie! Durham have one batting point from 3 games('played' 4 but the Oval match was a total washout) and none of the top 6 have scored a half century. Lots of rain in the Middlesex match so it's really only 4 poor batting performances in seamer friendly conditions but all of our batsmen are out of form/out of luck.

Graham Onions has been one of our best batsmen this season! He tweeted last week about wanting to find a bat sponsor now that he's an all-rounder :-)

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
old boy! (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 06:02
Quote:
geordie moonraker
As AGod says the forecast is reasonable for Wednesday but not for Thursday. I (and Mrs GM) am looking forward to the coming 5 days.We've no idea what will happen but we shall proudly support Somerset in our best West country accents (well me anyway), being thrilled that we have such promising young cricketers on our books. Suppiah will get a ton, Barrow will bat like Compton,Craig and Jos will score quick 50'. Vernon and Peter will rip through the top order and George and MAx will bamboozle the lowere order.
This may not happen of course, but it is the scenario I am going to Chester- le St expecting to see!!

Another member for our "POSITIVE GROUP"!!!

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 07:28
The localweather forecast is cautiously with many caveats tending towards a drier outlook than before. It's glorioua here this morning.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 08:22
good stuff....may see you there GM. Im heading down Thurs-Sat. Ajmal who???

 
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Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 09:11
Lovely stuff, GM. Don't forget your sunhat and suitable creams, but please keep your shirt on.



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Wickham (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 09:30
... and if it doesn't work out in precisely the manner you expect, I am sure that you and Mrs GM will both have a lovely day.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 09:42
Quote:
Loyal of Lhasa.
Lovely stuff, GM. Don't forget your sunhat and suitable creams, but please keep your shirt on.

It's Geordie, not Jimmy...

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 10:13
If I took my shirt off I should frighten the horses. There are some things best not displayed- although if it is a nice day I may take my tie off!!

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 10:37
Bourgeois.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 14:32
No, a prole with a tie!!!!

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 15:22
Presumably, GM, a proletarian without a tie is a prolern...



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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Mark (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 15:41
Durham squad has been announced
MJ Di Venuto (23)
WR Smith (2)
PD Collingwood (5)
MD Stoneman (26)
DM Benkenstein (44)
GJ Muchall (24)
ID Blackwell (37)
P Mustard (19) captain/wicket keeper
CD Thorp (36)
G Onions (9)
SG Borthwick (16)
ME Claydon (25)
RMR Brathwaite (8)

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 15:49
Buttler out for us..2 spinners playing.

Jason Kerr (44) is 12th man.

A mess if ever Ive seen it.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 15:51
Jason Kerr? Really.

What on earth is wrong with Jos? Left out?

Mark.. are folks up there expecting some kind of Bunsen?

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 15:53
James Hildreth will lead a team made up from Somerset’s only 11 available senior players in the LV=County Championship match against Durham at Chester-le-Street, starting on Wednesday.
[www.somersetcountycc.co.uk]

That didn't cheer me up.

I must think positive!

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 15:55
POSITIVE, Mike.

(Just in case you were in doubt).

Presumably Jos will be out for a few weeks, assuring us of no keeper when Craig K goes off to the ODIs.

Will Barrow do the job?

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 16:00
They have been known in the past to go to Kings College to make up the second team players, we will be doing that soon for the first team.

Positive- it can only get better! I hope.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 16:02
On a good note this could be Max's opportunity to show what he can do.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 16:03
we dont need a keeper AG didnt you know.

Split webbing Buttler has. Did he not return from that in a week in the winter, so he might face Surrey, but defo should face Durham at Taunton.

Surely Wont be able to play in CB 40 at the weekend I wouldnt have thought which is a major blow. However, the whole season since we beat Middx has been a major blow so we can brush this off too!!

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 16:09
Difficult task for Hildreth. Its difficult enough captaining a side but one without 7/8 players is a big ask.

I hope he leads from he front with the bat.......I think we need him to.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 16:10
To be honest, Pro 40 will be dead in the water anyway, IMO.

You can only afford to lose 2 or so games to qualify for the next stage and I really cannot see this injury-ravaged squad managing to go through the rest of the season with only one Pro 40 loss.

I wonder if Philander will STILL be left out of the next Pro 40 game, even if it means we have to play J I D Kerr instead?

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 16:20
thats an excellent question AG. I know my answer to it but I see that Jamie Overton is having a scan on his elbow tomorrow and if its okay he wil fly up for the game, so VP will be left out and he will play assuming he is okay.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Angell Face (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 16:36
I say send for the man from Watchet. He can catch the bus to Taunton and Caddy can fly him up to Durham in his helicopter.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Botham (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 17:04
Tractor for 12th man or ftm

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 17:06
What a wonderful challenge. I do not doubt that JH, assisted by his fellow senior professionals PT and AS, will ensure that the selected eleven will play with total pride and commitment.

(and GM could get a game, as long as he keeps his shirt on)



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Grockle (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 17:32
"Eleven senior players".... Hmmm don't hold with your theory then AG?

We have a keeper Ron I think he's called Craig Kieswetter?

He was the keeper before Jos split his webbing I think or was Jos set to keep in this match?

Why is VP not going to play?

It's not getting better though is it? More pressure but nothing yet to prove they can't handle it.... well except the AG analysis of course - which could be right or wrong.



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Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 17:43
If I was thirty years younger I'd take my boots but I'm not sure that West Somerset league standards- even when I was in my heyday which wasn'tg very hey- are quite up to it.
It could be very interesting and I'm still sure that none of the 11 will let us down-they will do their best and I ask no more.
On paper there is a gulf between the side- b ut as the old saying goes "we're not playing on paper"

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Wickham (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 17:44
As Foch once said, "situation excellent, I shall attack".

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Grockle (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 17:46
Well at least we have eleven senior players on the pitch Wickham. And they'll be more senior once they leave it whatever happens :-)



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Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 18:05
They are senior players, Grockle, only in the sense that they are not Academy players in some cases, but there you go.

And yes, we have Craig K but the question is how long will Jos be out because Craig K will surely be in the ODI party.

Hopefully J Overton will be fine after scan so we won't have to insist on picking Philander in order to avoid selecting Jason Ian Douglas Kerr for the game.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Grockle (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 18:17
They are senior players AG - the club says so and they are their players playing for their side.

If you don't agree please contact them and tell them they have it wrong.

What you think is what you think I've told you I think it is tripe and you've produced nothing to convince me otherwise. I'll wait and see whether they merit the title and then use actual facts rather than AG's opinion to decide whether they deserve the term or not.

You aren't playing tomorrow are you? Maybe that would give you the right to write players off beforehand if you could actually do what they are being asked to.

As you aren't I'd wait for the great statisitics to prove your point. I'm sure once they do you'll be on to tell us all how incisive your analysis has been and we'll all be so very impressed.



(Sm72)

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
old boy! (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 18:27
Crikey - I've been out all day! Down to bare eleven??
Three scenarios possible!

One. Our inexperienced team (forced on BR by unforeseen circumstances) will be beaten by Durham - as expected.

Two. A few of the players come up trumps whether batting, bowling or fielding, and a tight result ensues.

Three. Somerset's team all pull their weight and we win.

I am ever hopeful that Scenario Three happens, but even if that doesn't happen, I do not believe blame can put on the management. Those with long memories will remember that I have had plenty of criticisms of our management in the past BUT on this occasion their hands are clean.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 18:39
And I, Grockle likewise think that your contentions are 'tripe,' but there you go.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 18:51
Oh, and unless Craig Overton is either not playing or has been handed a pro deal since the last game, it's not even true that the eleven are all senior players even in the sense of not being Academy ones.

But nice attempt to grasp at a straw, Grockle.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Mark (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 19:37
Despite being without so many first choice players I think Somerset have a real chance in this game, the Durham batsmen are all either out of form (or out of luck because the top 6 have been unable to spend any meaningful time at the crease so far.)

On paper-even without Ben Stokes-the Durham batting lineup is very strong but, as someone mentioned earlier in this thread, the game isn't played on paper and it's worth saying again that Durham have managed only one batting point so far this season and none of the top 6 have scored a half century!

The pressure is all on Durham-there's been a lot of heavy(and unfair imo) criticism of our performances this season and if we start badly the wheels could come off!

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Grockle (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 20:02
Quote:
AGod
...but nice attempt to grasp at a straw, Grockle.

Not my "straw" ... the club posted the report I didn't.

Oh an my 'tripe' seems to have more credence with the posting public than yours does.. I cook mine with onions.. try it next time (Sm59) seems to make it more palitable for the Somerset supporter than whatever it is that you use. (Sm151)

nice attempt to have the last word though.... never mind :-)



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Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Frome Exile (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 20:43
What a maginficent filip it will be for these young players when they roll Durham over on their own patch!

One undesired boost we may yet get is that the addition of Bell to the Lions squad may yet release Compton to be parachuted in.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
old boy! (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 20:44
I have worked out that if the eleven available tomorrow all bat to their first class average at the end of 2011 or above we are guaranteed 260+ - so that's alright then!!

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Bobstan (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 20:56
I'm rather pleased, Wickham, that you didn't tell us what Marshall Foch said before the sentence you quoted.

I feel it might have been analogous to adding paraffin to a bonfire.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 21:14
Quote:
Frome Exile
What a maginficent filip it will be for these young players when they roll Durham over on their own patch!
One undesired boost we may yet get is that the addition of Bell to the Lions squad may yet release Compton to be parachuted in.

Have you heard anything to that effect?

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Frome Exile (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 21:17
No - just speculation on my part.
But having since noted that the Lions game doesn't start till Thursday, it is probably not relevant anyway.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 21:36
On another thread we were talking about the size of Somerset squad (20) one of those twenty is Jack Leach, is he not available to play?

If not then the squad is 17, is he at Uni is that why he is not included?

Another question, anybody know how many other counties are waiting for their IPL player to return?


Edit can't spell



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Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
nelliec (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 21:53
Bell is in to replace Ben Stokes who is injured

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
nelliec (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 22:07
Just been looking at the IPL averages. Alf has bowled just 10 overs in the last five weeks. Surely he must be looking at Somerset's predicament, and thinking why am I out here in India?

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Roger Sweet (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 22:36
Quote:
nelliec
Just been looking at the IPL averages. Alf has bowled just 10 overs in the last five weeks. Surely he must be looking at Somerset's predicament, and thinking why am I out here in India?

Because he is making a lot of money - if Indian tax authorities allow him to keep it!!!!

The biggest problem is that we are going to have our best bowler coming back to us "under-cooked"!!!

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
08/05/2012 22:57
And when Brian went to the cupboard it was bare !

Anyone seen Joel Garner around the place.............?

And what about that chap Breakwell ?

Come to think of it, won't Vic be up there doing his scribing duties ?

Come on chaps, you know it makes sense....!

(Meantime, I'm not saying a word re "Tripe". Mary Whitehouse never liked the stuff !!)

Grizzzly

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Scrumper (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 00:12

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
BristolRob (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 04:34
Let's hope we're playing against Tripe and Onions today with not much Onions!



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Grockle (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 05:04
(Sm22)

For Mary Whitehouse to eat 'tripe' Grizz would have been cannibalism.

Games faces on boys and girls the day is upon us all.... "Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of Somerset!!"

(anyone know the line before that?)



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Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Grockle (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 05:37
Quote:
Mike TA1
On another thread we were talking about the size of Somerset squad (20) one of those twenty is Jack Leach, is he not available to play?
If not then the squad is 17, is he at Uni is that why he is not included?....

As stated earlier Mike the Cricinfo version (listed on the squad link on the left hand side) does not include Leach or the Overtons as first team squad members at the start of the season but it does include Chris Jones who would be at University so one would assume if Jack was seen as part of the squad then he would have been mentioned. Isn't he in lastg year of A levels?

It also lists Hayman, Burke and Haggett though so how accurate it is I have no idea. Where does Sutton stand for example?



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Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 06:57
We have a watery sun and a strong breeze.The temperature will struggle to get to double figures but should still be warmer than Edgbaston The forecast -which keeps changing- seems to say we shall be all right up to mid afternoon then likely to have showers, rain tomorrow, heavy showers Friday, showers Saturday and OK for Sunday.
I think if James wins to toss the decision is difficult. I should be tempted to bowl- the Durham batting is not confident yet, VP and PT might get some wickets and a point and in a rain affected game we are OK. We might struggle batting and it throws the intitiative to Durham.
Incidentally, come Sunday, we could always play Jones who won't have any exams that say and a stroll down the road and a game of cricket will do him good. I'll try to post when I get home tonight.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
old boy! (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 07:11
Well done GM - the main forecast I've just seen suggests quite nice today but tomorrow below 10 centigrade WITH wintery showers - take your snow boots!!

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
BristolRob (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 07:15
Take your cricket kit GM!
You never know what might happen.



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 07:31
Will they be training before the match today?

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
BristolRob (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 07:50
Just enough for a five a side game of footie!



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 08:35
Those three you menitioned Grockle, Hayman, Burke and Haggett are no longer with the club this season they were listed in the squad the previous season.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 08:59
I agree, GM, I'd also be inclined to bowl in the hope that VP and PT can do really well up front and pick up bonus points for us.

It looks, frankly, as though it will be yet another rain-ruined round of CC games.

It's getting to the point where criticising the ECB for starting the season so early no longer looks relevant either, with no end to the inclement weather apparently in sight and it being the 9th May already.

I think we can expect more toys out of prams from certain batsmen that have complained publicly about the pitches so far this season, if this weather continues.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Grockle (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 09:00
Thanks Mike. I know Callum is reported to have been trialing with Hampshire. I also thought Hayman had been released. Wasn't sure about Burke after his unjury seemed to have responded well in the winter. It has been updated coz Gayle and Albie are on it.



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Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 09:11
I have to correct myself Grockle, James Burke is back with Somerset after having a good winter it seems. I don't know if he had a contract!

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
barndoorio (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 09:31
Let's cheer them on, and by sums over 50% of todays side would be expected to start anyway, and as they're Somerset players, 50% is all we need to win (unless it's a final).

Maybe.

(I'm in denial about having to clap Rory on Friday night)

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
barndoorio (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 09:41
There's the team, I wonder why Cricinfo has ordered it thus...

C Kieswetter†
PD Trego
JC Hildreth*
AWR Barrow
CAJ Meschede
AV Suppiah
VD Philander
L Gregory
C Overton
MTC Waller
GH Dockrell

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
nelliec (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 09:42
Won the toss and field.5 in a row I think



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Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
samaithai2 (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 09:52
Five in the side 20 or under. Would be great to win this.
C.Overton 18
L.GREGORY 19
G.DOCKRELL 19
A.BARROW 20
C.MESCHEDE 20

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 10:18
I think FE was right about Philander.. needs plenty of bowling. Sounds like it's been a bit loose from him in the early going and, of course, he's had quite a lot of time with his feet up in recent weeks.

Interesting that Overton has been promoted to new ball.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Brother Of (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 10:22
Cant believe the injury/availability crisis we are going through at the moment!
When i was there with very little money around in the 90's this was the likely 2nd X1 team that if injuries happened Mr Reeve could choose from!
Holloway,Parsons,Ecclestone,Burns,Sutton,Dimond,Bishop,Van Troost,Trott,Morgan,Cottam,Kerr and lastly myself!
My point is back then Somerset had 26 on the staff and sometimes you were lucky to get a 2nd X1 game so there was competition for places and PLENTY of backup which we could surely do with today!!



TREGO FOR ENGLAND

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 10:31
Aye, I think you can blame the ECB central payments system to a certain extent for the change.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Brother Of (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 10:38
AG but surely if you have 1st/2nd X1 fixtures through the summer then a minimum of 22/23 should be on the full time staff?
I think this has been a bit of a cock up on the managements part not to have a big enough squad.
I fully understand that 6/7 players are injured but to have the bare 11 after that is simply laughable!!



TREGO FOR ENGLAND

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 10:52
Welcome to the debate on the size of the squad “Brother Of”, at last I have somebody who agrees with me that the squad is too small.

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
old boy! (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 11:03
Quote:
Brother Of
AG but surely if you have 1st/2nd X1 fixtures through the summer then a minimum of 22/23 should be on the full time staff?
I think this has been a bit of a cock up on the managements part not to have a big enough squad.
I fully understand that 6/7 players are injured but to have the bare 11 after that is simply laughable!!

Wouldn't the existing players have to take a pay cut to increase the contracted staff to around 24??? and keep within the ECB limit??

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 11:07
Quote:
Brother Of
AG but surely if you have 1st/2nd X1 fixtures through the summer then a minimum of 22/23 should be on the full time staff?
I think this has been a bit of a cock up on the managements part not to have a big enough squad.
I fully understand that 6/7 players are injured but to have the bare 11 after that is simply laughable!!


What strikes me is not so much the sheer number of players that were around in your SCCC days, but the number of them with experience of a fair few first-class games... from those you've listed that would surely have applied to (at least);

Holloway
Parsons
Ecclestone
Burns
Van Troost
Kerr

So if there were 6 injuries then, in theory, you could replace them with six people with a fair amount of first team experience?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 11:08
But this seems to be the case with county squads according to what I have been told in the last week. The issue is the lack of experience of ours it seems.

Our squad players did not include Craig Overton so actually only 10 of this present team were expected to be part of our major campaigns this season.

Other members available according to Cric info would be James Burke (Haggett, Gayle and Hayman are not part of it)

Injured yesterday - Jos Buttler
Taken by the Lions - Nick Compton
Unavailable and first team squad members - Kirby, Trescothick, Dibble, Hussain, Alf, Jones

So effectively we went into this part of the season with a squad of 19 with back up from the Overtons, Andy Sutton(?) and Jack Leach (?) if it should be needed and Gayle and Morkel in for the T20 and another international arriving for June onwards when philander left.

A total squad of 21 plus 3 - 24

21 looks like most counties I think, it might be a player light and that accounts for Alf - who we looked to replace until we found no-one - though looking at the injuries and asking about their seriousness after the speed at which they took hold maybe we needed to look harder.

You'd think you had cover with 7 players in reserve wouldn't you?



(Sm72)

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 11:11
Quote:
old boy!
Quote:
Brother Of
AG but surely if you have 1st/2nd X1 fixtures through the summer then a minimum of 22/23 should be on the full time staff?
I think this has been a bit of a cock up on the managements part not to have a big enough squad.
I fully understand that 6/7 players are injured but to have the bare 11 after that is simply laughable!!

Wouldn't the existing players have to take a pay cut to increase the contracted staff to around 24??? and keep within the ECB limit??

I'd like to know where we are up to with this? At one point we had the third highest wage bill in the land. That was certainly before Charl left us, though. And may have been when Zander was still on the staff too? Then again, Kirby and Hussain were, I think, added after we were told that figure.

But if you've got the third highest wage bill in the land and a small squad in terms of number of experienced players, then things are obviously a bit "top heavy," financially.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 11:15
I suspect that things are so different now BO to the 90’s when you were in the squad,
Salaries, Overheads, Health & Safety Requirements, Background Staff, Big Names demanding big Salaries, Supporter Expectations, and Player Loyalty etc.


The Overton Twins are on a summer contract and are due to sign full contracts in October according to the back news on the club site.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 11:16
53 for 2 - Vilander and Meschede hit their straps. Craig Overton 6/3/10/0 - that's a decent first spell. Keep it on guys!! LoL.... he's at the crease!!



(Sm72)

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 11:19
I always told you, LoL, that P D Collingwood was not the cricketing colossus that you always assured us he was.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 11:20
Surely my hero should be playing for the Lions. He's such a promising young man.



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: DURHAM AWAY CC 9th May
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 11:32
I met 'Old Frazer' whilst out last evening, and he was not only appalled at the team that we are putting out today, but also stated that "there should be a steward's enquiry" into why so many of our players have gone down injured.

"A complete and utter joke" he opined, and "they should kick out all those fitness / conditioning and motivation bods who clutter up the dressing - room trying to justify their existence on the payroll."

Harsh words indeed, but I do think that Brian Rose needs to look into the fitness (or lack of it) issues, and how they have debilitated the existing squad PDQ.

As a further matter of interest, he predicted Somerset being bowled out for around 60. We will have to wait in order to see.

Just keep the faith, and enjoy it while we can.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 11:39
I still think that the faboulous fitness record that SCCC generally seemed to enjoy over the past 4-5 years or so may have been in large part down to having some naturally fit/resistant to injury cricketers... guys like Charl that were almost never injured (or at least not to the point where he had to miss games.)

That's as opposed to it being down to "gurus," with magic wands or anything.

However, there is no way to know whether we'd be better off without these fitness experts or not, other than to try it. The problem with that, of course, is that if you dispose of the fitness experts and then even previously reliable players (from a fitness stand-point) start breaking down, then the club would be inclined to look utter fools.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 11:44
Quote:
AGod
... if you dispose of the fitness experts and then even previously reliable players (from a fitness stand-point) start breaking down, then the club would be inclined to look utter fools.

but the club would have some additional money with which to strengthen the squad!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 11:51
True, true!!!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 12:02
Wouldn't they have to pay external 'experts' to get their injured players fit?

Private costs become external coxts (usually higher)?

You must have long discussions with 'Old Frazer' CP as you seem to be of one mind on so many things.

If we get bowled out for 60 it will have very little to do with the make-up of this side and a lot to do with a season old problem of good batsmen not developing an innings in CC matches



(Sm72)

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 12:12
Somerset have had a good morning with the ball, a few near misses as well.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 12:15
I'll stick with around 260 (total of everybody's batting average) after, hopefully, sorting Durham out for around 200. At the back of my mind I worry about the Blackwell influence - he could go first ball, but if he stays for an hour or two Durham could be out of sight!!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 12:47
Quote:
Grockle

You must have long discussions with 'Old Frazer' CP as you seem to be of one mind on so many things.


I do, and we are, Grockle, having known each other for over 60 years. He also has some strong opinions about Rugby, and never fails to cheer me up, whilst we enjoy a wee dram in our local hostelry.

He was a damned fine cricketer in his day, and may very well have gone on to play county cricket had circumstances at the time been different.

drinking smiley



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012:05:09:12:48:59 by Clarence Parker.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
WTE (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 12:59
Very worried to hear Compton has been taken by lions. Will he recover? Was this a revenge attack on behalf of the black tiger Brian Rose ran over.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:00
Every time a wicket has fallen, these bird-brain commentators have read out the score BEFORE the wicket has fallen.. NEVER adding on the wicket.

Most enfuriating.

Old Boy - I agree with you re: IDB... we shall want to get him early.. very early if possible.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:03
Although they just got it right this time!!

IDB and Colonel to be in partnership now, so this passage unlikely to be dull....

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
barndoorio (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:05
Well, i'll take Overton getting Muchall to start with. 92/5 makes me feel alot better about the lineup... The match is 1/4 of the way through and we're on top (crosses fingers and toes while hoping not to injure them)

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:09
AGod - Where you word perfect on you volunteered for a stint behind the microphone

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:17
I'm pretty confident that I'd remember to add one to the tally of fallen wickets every time somebody was out, Nailsea!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:20
100-5!! Now bring on George and Max to clean up the tail!!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:24
I doubt either spinner will see much action today. And it wouldn't be a shock if only George bowls in the match, to be honest.

Durham have left out their specialist spinner.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:25
But the lower-order will be on their way in now, Old Boy.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:30
Meschede cleans out Mustard!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
barndoorio (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:33
Well played that Overton!

This is impressive sounding stuff from our insanely young squad.

Lets keep it up.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Frome Exile (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:34
Quote:
AGod
I'm pretty confident . . .

I don't wish to be provocative, but isn't the rest of that post somewhat redundant?

winking smiley

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:34
Blackie turned over by Overton!!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:35
Durham fans talking about "one man team," (Onions.)

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:39
Are we now entering the "Why can't we ever remove the tail quickly " phase

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Wickham (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:45
I hope that Philander isn't picking up too many tips from Cove and Meschede ahead of the test series.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012:05:09:13:47:11 by Wickham.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
JonR (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:47
Give me the Somerset Last XI over the 1st XI any day!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
barndoorio (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:47
I think a 'Wow' is in order.


Wow.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:47
Well done Craig O and the rest of the team.

On a positive note we don't have to worry about following on. (Sm6)

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:49
"Are we now entering the "Why can't we ever remove the tail quickly " phase"

No.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:50
Last five wickets in 24 balls from two rookie bowlers, and from a side constantly ridiculed by some posters for always letting the opposition tail wag.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:52
I hope that everybody that moaned at our inexperienced line-up and doubted our ability is now hanging their head in shame.

We have some really talented young players and all they lack is experience and consistency, which only come from playing. The injury situation is allowing them to play regularly, rather than just appear sporadically. Who needs to bring in a mercenary loan player and relegate one of our own to 12 month man duties?

Today Meschede and Overton in particular stepped up to the mark. They've obviously learnt from their inconsistent performances against Middlesex and they have done us proud.

Whatever else happens in this match, we can be really proud of the way our young team has performed so far. It augurs very very well for the future.

Well Done Somerset.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012:05:09:13:55:06 by Little Bird.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
BristolRob (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:53
THERE'S ONLY ONE OVERTON THERE'S ONLY ONE OVERTON



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Botham (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:54
Quote:
barndoorio
I think a 'Wow' is in order.

Wow.

Wow(Sm152)

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
barndoorio (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 13:55
I was going to write that while it's a great performance so far, we shouldn't get too carried away utnil both sides have batted.

Arul has already finished his go.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:06
Durham second innings will probably start today.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:07
And, at this rate, even with a washout tomorrow, the match could well be over by tea on Friday.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Angell Face (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:10
Cheerful as ever AG!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:12
Just realistic - it sounded like the ball was doing all-sorts so unless conditions change greatly ....

(and we will be batting as the weather progressively fills in from the SW so seems unlikely that batting conditions will improve today, at any rate.)

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:12
Or maybe Hildy will continue the excellent batting form he's shown since inheriting the captaincy.

Maybe England batsman Craig K will get some runs.

Maybe Lewis will do with the bat what Overton and Meschede did with the ball, and make a name for himself too.

Maybe a tail including a player who hit 200 for our seconds might wag.

A lead of even 50 could be quite useful on this pitch.

Stop the pessimism smiling smiley

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:16
Unless I`ve been mistaken in reading the fixture list, England Under-19s only have two commitments this summer ahead of the Under-19 World Cup, so we may not be without the Overton twins perhaps as much as was thought.

There are ODIs against Ireland Under-19s at Leicester on July 18 and 20, when George D. will also be missing as he is captain of the Irish opposition. We are playing Warwickshire that week, but otherwise the twins should be available most of the time.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Following on (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:16
Not a day to be batting - Kent 8-4 (Willo 3-4). Maybe Ramprakash was right after all!!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Following on (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:17
Make that 9-5 (Willo 4-4)

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:18
Quote:
cricketjerry-mouse
Unless I`ve been mistaken in reading the fixture list, England Under-19s only have two commitments this summer ahead of the Under-19 World Cup, so we may not be without the Overton twins perhaps as much as was thought.
There are ODIs against Ireland Under-19s at Leicester on July 18 and 20, when George D. will also be missing as he is captain of the Irish opposition. We are playing Warwickshire that week, but otherwise the twins should be available most of the time.

Good.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:19
Quote:
Following on
Not a day to be batting - Kent 8-4 (Willo 3-4). Maybe Ramprakash was right after all!!

He's just been spoiled over the years and is whining.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:29
Seven wickets fell in seven overs at Chester-le-Street today between Durham`s last five and our first two.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012:05:09:14:30:33 by cricketjerry-mouse.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:31
Quote:
Following on
Make that 9-5 (Willo 4-4)

I'm delighted for Charl and I'm sure we all are. BUT his moving to a new challenge has released chances for our youngsters - I don't believe Charl could have done any better in the current match against Durham AND I don't think he would have improved our batting chances. However once again, delighted for him AND his family!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:31
Relax! Onions can’t bowl from both ends.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:35
The pitch does not look THAT green?

[www.espncricinfo.com]

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:43
These sort of contests can often be decided by a quick 60 or 70 from somebody... so could be a day for Mr Trego....

Mr Buttler might have been a likely candidate if fit, too. So shame he isn't there.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:50
So would viv richards but he doesn't play anymore

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:51
I wonder if we could get away with a Langer style tactical declaration? I know we'd need to have an explanation to offer to avoid being 'done,' for declaring to deny them bowling points.

It's probably going to get more and more difficult to bat today as the weather fills in?

It's forecast to be brighter on Friday (after vast amounts of wet stuff tomorrow).

Perhaps we'd be better trying to shoot them out again today and setting up a chase on Friday?

I'd give Pete and Craig K a stand of throwing the bat and then, once both are out, probably call the innings a day.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Angell Face (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:58
Don't think so AG. This is a day for grinding out every run we can get. Any sort of lead will be useful.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Angell Face (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 14:59
Though Trego looks as though he might have decided to give it the long handle!!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 15:01
Amazingly, in what is our 5th CC match of the season, this is only Pete's 4th innings!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 15:02
He does not sound as though he is "playing for tea."

To be honest, I think attack is the way to go in this kind of low-scoring game unless you are a player with Boycottesque concentration and judgement.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 15:16
Very, very well done to Somerset’s young’uns, and we have got past the prediction of ‘Old Frazer’s’, made last evening, of 60 all out with still 6 wickets in hand.

I am sure that batting can not have been particularly easy for anyone today, and our young colts will undoubtedly bowl better and meet with far less success on many other days.

The match is not over yet by any means, and there are lots of overs to be bowled and wickets to be taken in Durham’s second knock, but even if we come out second - best in this particular contest, there is much to be proud of in what we have already achieved today.

I hope that James Hildreth will transpire to be a leader for whom the rest of the side will metaphorically be prepared to ‘run in front of a ‘bus for’.

Should that be the case, then there is cause for much rejoicing in the future.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Brother Of (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 15:29
Forget my post about the "old squad" back in the 90's these lads are doing a fine job!
What i was trying to get over and i think i did was to do with having a solid 2nd X1 who have plenty of experience unlike most of the team we have had to put out today.
I forgot the likes of Trump/Hayhurst were in the 2nds as well!
Great effort from the boys today,we need Tregs/Kies at the end of our innings to usher the tail into a lead.



TREGO FOR ENGLAND

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 15:33
Yep, and your were right.

Although no County today has as many experienced players in reserve as we did back in the 90s.

With Hayhurst and Trump too, that would be EIGHT guys with plenty of first-team experience in the seconds?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 15:34
Well done BO
The commentators have taken your Treego message on board!!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
hantssabre (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 15:37
Interesting email about Pete's tattoos too BO

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Wickham (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 15:48
Well dome to BoBo in becoming the day's top scorer.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
BristolRob (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 15:52
Up 'til now Wickham.



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Frome Exile (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 15:54
Seems a great knock from BoBo in the circumstances to swing the momentum our way.
Over to the Craigs to get us a lead.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 15:58
Yep, could be a very, very important knock, asssuming that batting remains difficult throughout.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 16:05
Just thinking about it, but as Jos now seems to split his hand webbing fairly regularly, and may have a weakness there now, could he use light weight gloves while fielding? Is there anything in the regulations to stop that?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Following on (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 16:07
Play abandoned for the day everywhere except Chester-le-Street and Trent Bridge; but prospects for any more play at TB are poor as according to Twitter as there is unrelenting rain. How important will the bonus points earnt today be come the end of the season?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 16:11
That unrelenting rain is meant to hit the NE this evening/overnight.

Apparently they have a super-duper drainage system at CLS, though, so hopefully a reasonably prompt start might be possible on Friday?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
BristolRob (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 16:16
I tt also old boy!I'll try to find out unless anybody with a good knowledge of the laws of the game knows.I've never seen anybody other than a keeper wearing gloves which tends to point to there being a law against it.



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Brother Of (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 16:18
Well struck Bo!!



TREGO FOR ENGLAND

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 16:20
Great control by CK - 24 from 50 balls!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 16:22
Just stick him in the outfield.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 16:22
These recent edges to the boundary should hopefully frustrate the Durham bowlers and cause them to lose their heads a little...

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 16:29
A fine gutsy performance from the batters now. Ahead with 5 wickets still in hand.

This innings could shape the way this game pans out finally.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Angell Face (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 16:31
I predict that young Mr. Meschede will have a long and distiguished career as an all-rounder.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 16:49
Today will go down as one of the best and most significant in our recent history. Shorn of so many experienced players and with an average age of just 23, we dominated with bat and ball against the team who started the season as bookies favourites for the title.

Today was the day when our young side stopped being merely promising, stepped up to the plate and performed outstandingly. Youth is finally starting to deliver. Who needs loan signings or even under achievers from other counties now.

A day we can all be proud of.

Well Done Somerset smiling smiley

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
BristolRob (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 16:50
We need more Craigs in the team.Well batted young Meschede.



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 16:54
George Dobell wrote on Cricinfo during the Middlesex game that neither Meschede, Gregory nor Overton were good enough at the moment for County Championship cricket.

I hope, when he has seen our scorecard today, that he will have the good grace to admit he was wrong.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 16:58
Quote:
old boy!
Just thinking about it, but as Jos now seems to split his hand webbing fairly regularly, and may have a weakness there now, could he use light weight gloves while fielding? Is there anything in the regulations to stop that?

Only the 'keeper is permitted to wear gloves.

However, a fielder may wear protection for the hand or fingers subject to the consent of the umpires.

Law 41 - 'The Fielder.'

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 17:02
Quote:
Little Bird

George Dobell wrote on Cricinfo during the Middlesex game that neither Meschede, Gregory nor Overton were good enough at the moment for County Championship cricket.

I hope, when he has seen our scorecard today, that he will have the good grace to admit he was wrong.

How did George know of Overton at the time of the Middlesex game, Little Bird? He hadn't even made his debut then.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 17:04
Thanks CP - as usual better than Google!!
In the meantime, at least for the moment inexperience is definitely winning over experience!!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 17:20
I think he actually said "good enough to lead the attack" or something to that effect, to be fair to him.

Fantastic day though. Who needs more than 11 players?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 17:21
Quote:
BristolRob
THERE'S ONLY ONE OVERTON THERE'S ONLY ONE OVERTON

Beautifully put, BR, but you do know, don't you, that he was born twice on the same day and is a few minutes older or younger than himself.

I had to go out for much of the day and am absolutely to delighted to discover what has happened in my absence. Today's performance gives us enormous hope for the future, though AGod must be worried about 2027, when this lot will be decidedly over the hill.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 17:34
Quote:
Loyal of Lhasa.
Quote:
BristolRob
THERE'S ONLY ONE OVERTON THERE'S ONLY ONE OVERTON

Beautifully put, BR, but you do know, don't you, that he was born twice on the same day and is a few minutes older or younger than himself.

I had to go out for much of the day and am absolutely to delighted to discover what has happened in my absence. Today's performance gives us enormous hope for the future, though AGod must be worried about 2027, when this lot will be decidedly over the hill.

Clearly we expect Durham to put up more of a fight in second innings, if only because a few of the EXPERIENCED players may be due to dropped!!

Whatever happens on Friday (I'm assuming Thursday is a write-off for rain and snow??) we can be proud of our youngsters. Lets hope CK, Max and George can get our innings upto about 260 before it closes - then I will really feel like a genius!!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mark (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 17:47
Just back from the game-yet another poor batting performance from Durham and the alarm bells are ringing loudly!
Well done to the Somerset bowlers, future is definitely looking bright for your team.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 17:55
What a good day for Somerset, that’s the way to deal with a team that is lacking in confidence,

Our experienced and our inexperienced players did their bit today, those lacking in experience will have gained some experience today, and they will now be more experienced than they were before today.

All (tic).

All the bowler did well.

Lewis Gregory will learn not to give his wicket away, Craig Kieswetter held the innings together, Craig Meschede had a couple of lives every batsmen do and he made use of them (good for him), Pete Trego scored a very useful 40 in quick time.

Lets hope we can get a result out of this match, a draw may only give us one point more than Durham.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Norwich SCCC (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 18:01
An incident packed day by all accounts and what great performances from the youngsters. (well held together by the older heads when batting)

Another bonus point would be nice but this lead is already more than useful against a batting line-up with no confidence.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 18:01
Quote:
Clarence Parker
Quote:
Little Bird

George Dobell wrote on Cricinfo during the Middlesex game that neither Meschede, Gregory nor Overton were good enough at the moment for County Championship cricket.

I hope, when he has seen our scorecard today, that he will have the good grace to admit he was wrong.

How did George know of Overton at the time of the Middlesex game, Little Bird? He hadn't even made his debut then.

I beg your pardon. typo..I meant Lancashire.

This is what he wrote...(c and p)

It would be unreasonable to expect too much of their callow recruits. Overton, tall but red raw, has just a hint of Stuart Broad about him and may well develop into a fine cricketer. He also claimed his maiden first-class wicket when Prince punched one to mid-wicket. Gregory bowled horribly most of the time, but also ended Karl Brown's delightfully fluent innings with a good, full ball and has, just occasionally, a turn of pace that suggests there is plenty of untapped talent lurking within. Neither they nor Meschede are yet ready for this level, but all are worth perseverance. Somerset have simply asked a bit much of them a bit soon.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Frome Exile (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 18:13
Perhaps "Old Frazer" meant that we'd be NETT 60 all out.
I still hope even that will prove pessimistic.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 18:22
Well well well. Safely home and the happiest I have been after a days cricket for a long time.As I hoped they batted, and although VP had me worried with his first bad overs he soon got a wicket or two. The other bowlers were superb. Cove bowled absolutely beautifully and Craig M and Pete were spot on the button. The fielding was sharp.I think we put down one chance but as wicket happened next ball it didn't matter. Even in my wildest dreams I couldn't have imagined 125 all out just after lunch.
I felt we might struggle batting and with Onions bowling several yards quicker than anyone else and Arul and Alex Barrow both I think beaten for pace and line I wondered again. But Lewis put things in perspective and all praise to Pete for a splendid innings, to Craig K for playing the conditions and the game situation and to Craig M for batting so positively.I was very impressed by the quick singles and two putting pressure on the fielding captain .
Durham looked poorI must say, but I wish to take nothing away from our lads.
IDB looked bigger and slower than I've ever seen him- he could of course have had 3 sweaters on- I did.The rain held off until 5.00 when the umpires didn't let the odd spot trouble then. I felt we could have come off 30 mins earlier for the light-it was very gloomy.

To make acomment about an oft heard complaint here.
" Why can't we finish off a tail". Durham were 90 for 3 117 for 5 125 all out, We were 6 for 2 45 for 3 and 200 for 5.
Let's hope the weather doesn't spoil it because I am sure that Durham can't bat as badly again- but our spin trio are fresh, unseen and raring to go so who knows

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 18:24
If your given name is Craig, I'd put a bob or two on tonight's lottery!

A very good day indeed for all the Craigs.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 18:38
GM - thanks for the report.

What was your view of conditions - similar for batting throughout?

I'd have thought that batting should have got more rather than less difficult as cloud built up which would make the middle order batting performance even more impressive?

Would you say it's doing a lot off the pitch, through the air, or both?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 19:05
The Tripe (and Onions) man has just arrived home from a tequila fueled evening on the tiles in downtown Muscat.

My only comment on today's proceedings until I read the analysis and reports tomorrow is DAY 1 to the guys without the match practice!! Three days to go this game is not ours yet. Games faces on again tomorrow boys.... BUT Bloody well done!!

(Sm152)(Sm60) (Sm152)(Sm60) (Sm152)(Sm60) (Sm152)(Sm60) (Sm152)(Sm60)



(Sm72)

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 19:05
Quote:
Frome Exile

Perhaps "Old Frazer" meant that we'd be NETT 60 all out.
I still hope even that will prove pessimistic.

I can assure you that he most definitely did not, FE, and "NETT 60 all out" is already pessimistic even by Frazer's standards is it not?

A great character - I really enjoy my conversations with him, and would not wish them to be any other way than they are.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 19:21
Quote:
geordie moonraker
Even in my wildest dreams I couldn't have imagined 125 all out just after lunch.

I'm glad you had the good day you deserved, GM, that Mrs GM enjoyed the day with you and I trust you avoided sunburn and dehydration. But I would love to know what DOES happen in your wildest dreams.



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 19:28
Havi ng posted I then went back to 1000 and read all the in play posts and was amused at how different the game appears when you are not there.
Once Hildreth and Gregory settled I felt we looked more in control than the Durham batsmen.
What we did have- and Durham didn't- was energy in the field and between the wickets and body language that was up for a challenge. Collingwood looked downright depressed and the rest lookeD shell shocked. If the forecast holds then tomorrow is likely to be a washout but I counsel caution.If we get a 125 lead and Durham bat to 300 then 175 will not be easy to get.
Durham had the better of the batting conditions and if the ball is doing anything it is in the air. The pitch looked a little 2 paced but we were more disciplined ( see strike rate for CK) and some of the shots played by Pete and CraigM were delightful.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Wickham (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 19:30
A tremendous performance today. As well as the three Craigs, Peter Trego deserves an honourable mention - for bowling which gave the captain control, and a wicket, and for a dashing innings which helped to wrest the initiative away from the Durham bowlers.
It could be an expensive evening for two of the Craigs - for Cove for career (I use the term loosely) best bowling figures and to Meschede for his best bowling figures and his highest score.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 19:35
Mark Stoneman seems to be of the view that the difference between the sides was the more aggressive approach taken by a couple of our batsmen.

Stoneman also suggests that some balls are lifting more than one would expect, which would tally with GM's two-paced comment.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 19:51
Well it certainly wasn't the relative levels of championship experience it seems.



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Frome Exile (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 20:04
Yes - my previous comment makes no sense until you hear that my scoreboard app is still stuck on 122 for 5 and I assumed play had been suspended.
Very pleased to learn otherwise.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 20:20
Durham have an average age of 31; Somerset, down to 11 fit players, average only 23.

Overton, a gangling young Devonian with a nice high action, hit the seam regularly and as he and Meschede shared the last five wickets, delighted in high fives with smaller colleagues who could not quite reach. Somerset, short on resources, must steel themselves and use him wisely.
[www.espncricinfo.com]

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 20:32
Terrific effort today by everyone. The team must feel really good about themselves after that.

Same again tomorrow would do nicely.

Grizzzly

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 21:23
Unfortunately Friday's forecast is now as bad as tomorrow's.

I don't like losing all this time.

If play really does not resume until Saturday, though, then that should mean that only two results would really be feasible?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
BristolRob (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 21:27
Discount the tie and there's only one result feasible.A win for Somerset.



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
09/05/2012 22:17
Quote:
Loyal of Lhasa.
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geordie moonraker
Even in my wildest dreams I couldn't have imagined 125 all out just after lunch.

I'm glad you had the good day you deserved, GM, that Mrs GM enjoyed the day with you and I trust you avoided sunburn and dehydration. But I would love to know what DOES happen in your wildest dreams.
Yes LoL-and we avoided frost bite as well. As to what happens in my wildest dreams...the veil is drawn

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 06:28
As forecast very wet here. I would judge prospects of play to be minimal

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Bobstan (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 06:37
The veil is drawn, GM?

We want nun of that.

 
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Botham (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 06:51
Another dampener for me is the amount of slugs and snails in the garden. Anyone got any ideas about removing them?

Clearly everyone will be frustrated today, so I figured a challenge was required.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 06:51
The forecast I have just seen implies there will be no play at Chester-le-Street either today or tomorrow - so the lads will have to do it all on Saturday - three sessions at the most!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 07:08
Very frustrating. You'd hope over a season rain would even itself out between when you're ahead in a game or behind..but so far that's Notts and Durham away for us..two matches where we had a decent chance of victory.

Warks must be enjoying their week off and watching the rain fall in all the other matches.



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
nelliec (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 07:16
Highlights of yesterdays play
[www.ecbtv.co.uk]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012:05:10:07:21:02 by nelliec.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 07:18
It's not over yet!

The BBC VIEW FROM THE COMMENTARY BOX "BBC Newcastle's Martin Emmerson" says it could be over in two days (he didn't say which two days), I will go for that. [www.bbc.co.uk]

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 07:46
In my experience the rain never evens itself out. If the rain is in the east thats where Somerset will be playing.

The rain looks more showery tomorrow. Even if we can get 2/3 hours in that might be enough to progress the game for us for Saturday.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
BristolRob (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 07:56
Raining in C-L-S at the moment.



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 08:14
Two interesting comments on Twitter today.

One was that of our four highy succesful seamers yesterday, it could be said that only Philander might list bowling as his major skill.

Craig Overton is certainly looked upon by England Under-19 as a batting rather than a bowling all-rounder (unlike his twin brother); the same could be said of Meschede at Somerset; and as for Peter T almost all of his five-star performances in past seasons have been with the bat.

The other point: Nick Compton, one of our three front-line batters missing, made his highest first-class score of 254 on this self same ground last season.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 08:24
And in our last 2 seasons at Durham, we've dominated the early exchanges only to run out of time, thanks for mother nature and stubborn second innings resistance!

In the infamous title decider of 2010, we had a first innings lead of 140.

Last year, we forced them to follow on 373 behind.

Let's just pray this year the weather breaks..and their batsmen continue their sorry start to the season.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
samaithai2 (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 09:36
According to Cricinfo rain stopped in maccam land but how long for.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 10:03
No play before lunch

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 10:06
The radio commentator has said that weather experts there reckon play may be possible again sometime tomorrow afternoon!!



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Botham (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 10:14
So we have time to talk about slugs!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 10:14
I enjoyed watching those highlights a lot and think I even detected some sunshine (and was glad that I'd warned the GMs to pack the sun cream).

I did note, however, that Overton appears to run straight down the wicket after he bowls and wonder if he needs warning about it (or has already been warned).



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 10:49
The England and Wales Cricket Board today confirmed that the Durham pace bowler Callum Thorp has received a penalty under its discipline code.

During the LV= County Championship match between Durham and Warwickshire on May 2-5 2012, Thorp was reported by umpires Richard Kettleborough and Neil Bainton for a level one breach of the code (abuse of cricket ground, equipment or fixtures/fittings).
[www.ecb.co.uk]

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 11:25
Quote:
Loyal of Lhasa.

I did note, however, that Overton appears to run straight down the wicket after he bowls and wonder if he needs warning about it (or has already been warned).

Perhaps you would allow me to be a pedant in respect of the above comment, as there is little else to do on another wet afternoon here?

Did you mean the wicket at the bowler's end or the one at the striker's end? Whichever one, he would do himself serious injury should he attempt to run straight down it.

Having also enjoyed viewing the highlights of yesterday's play, I do agree that he appears to run straight down the pitch after he bowls and perhaps does need to be warned against it.

Now, I am sure that this has led me open and liable to attacks on my grammar.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 11:32
Touché, CP, though my error was semantic rather than grammatical. So it looks as if I am the one who has been warned.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 11:38
Quote:
Mike TA1
The England and Wales Cricket Board today confirmed that the Durham pace bowler Callum Thorp has received a penalty under its discipline code.
During the LV= County Championship match between Durham and Warwickshire on May 2-5 2012, Thorp was reported by umpires Richard Kettleborough and Neil Bainton for a level one breach of the code (abuse of cricket ground, equipment or fixtures/fittings).
[www.ecb.co.uk]

If anyone is to be penalised for an abuse of the fixtures, surely it should be the ECB for giving us no sustained CC cricket in July.



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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 11:41
He (Overton, not LoL) was compared to Shaun Pollock in terms of his action by the BBC Five Live crew.

I assume this means (in part) that C Overton gets very close to the wicket in his approach?

If so, that would make it still more critical that he get off the pitch in a hurry.

I always think that bowlers that get very close to the wicket have a better chance - all other things being equal - than those that approach from a wider trajectory.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 12:03
Quote:
AGod
He (Overton, not LoL) was compared to Shaun Pollock

The comparison in reference to me was not with Shaun Pollock but with Victor Trumper, but that was yesterday and Wickham is a very charitable prebendary.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 12:26
No play today.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 13:16
Thanks Nelleic for the highlights of yesterday's play - very enjoyable.

Re the end of Criag Meschede's excellent innings however, is it just me, or did the ball bounce before Collingwood 'caught' him in the slips ?

Take a look at it - around 6.57 into the recording:

[www.ecbtv.co.uk]

Grizzzly

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 13:30
I didn't think so, Grizzly. Think he got his fingers underneath it.

I was particularly impressed with the delivery with which Craig O removed Muchall lbw.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 13:41
Looked OK to me on the first take AG, but I'm not so sure from the 'replay'.

Super slow-mo would be useful !

Grizzzly

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 13:46
Are you impugning the integrity of my hero, Grizzzly?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 17:43
BBC national forecast this evening looks as though its just going to be light rain/showery in CLS tomorrow - although looks to be plenty of overnight rain tonight.

Any more detailed forcast from local NE news appreciated, can't decide whether to go tomorrow or wait till Saturday

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 17:47
Meanwhile, for Botham, some slug tips.....

[www.gardenersworld.com]

[www.channel4.com]

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Streeter (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 18:16
I swear by the beer trap. It's a bit disgusting clearing it out but it catches loads of the @#$%& .

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 18:21
All the website forecasts i've seen still show incessant rain tomorrow, Bagpuss.

GM may be able to look out the window, or stick his nose in the air and give us a local 'feeling,' which might prove more accurate, however.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Streeter (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 18:30
Appologies to any one offended by my language but I hadn't realised a word beginning with b ending in s and featuring the letter after f twice was considered out of order. I felt the need to clarify that it was no stronger than that !

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Wickham (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 19:07
The Yorkshire Briggs or the Hampshire Briggs, Streeter?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 19:16
t



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 20:12
If the forecast is about right then, as I intimated before it looks like a quick half an hour from CK and Max on Saturday, then put them in again and hope that the young seamers, plus George and Max bowling without fear will set up the win.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 22:21
It has not rained for the last hour or so but everything is very wet. The forecast tomorrow is for lighter showers than today so at the very best I would not expect more than 30 overs after tea,and that I think is being very optimistic. I shall not leave home until I hear a start time announced on the Durham prospects of play line.
Saturday is forecast dry and fine as is Sunday.Assuming we have only 96 overs to play, then it is a toss up as to whether we go for a further 30 quick runs and put an extra point on and then declare or whether we declare where we are.
If the first, then that probably leaves Durham with 86 overs.
If they bat for 70 at 3 an over that is 210 which would give us 85 in 14 overs- 6 an over. At those figures I'd back us but it depends on the determination of the Durham batsmen.
Incidentally , if VP doesn't play on Sunday and Jove is not fit do we pull Jones out to play?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 22:34
Somerset are hoping the other Overton twin, Jamie, will be fit to play on Sunday.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
10/05/2012 22:49
The Lions game may be over in 3 days...

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Big Jim (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 00:03
Slugs?
I take a shotgun to them.
Works a treat.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 06:36
There is rain in the air, the cloud is thick and there is a breeze. The weekend forecast has changed with light rain and a bit of sun forecast for Saturday and then showers for Sunday afternoon. We might have to wipe both games out.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 06:42
A strange yellow orb has appeared in the sky in London. Seems to emit light and a smidgen of warmth. Anyone any ideas?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Bobstan (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 06:44
Pick up your slugs by hand and place them in the garden next door but one.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 06:45
Durham must have saved the life of a puma or something because rain has repeatedly saved them this season.

Ah well, at least SA can, surely, scarcely object to VP completing his stint against Surrey?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Botham (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 07:00
Just been out with the salt, they must like it as they keep returning. I'll have to try some beer traps as I don't like the feel of them and haven't got a shotgun.

Weather's nice, so hopefully it will have made it's way up to Tractor and his buddies.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 07:25
The local forecast has just changed its mind reckoning today will eventually dry up and that it will be a dry and warm weekend. We hope...

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
BristolRob (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 07:46
At 8.15 it was raining in CLS and the River Wear looks like The Zambezi I'm told.



Who put the A in Trego?



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Wickham (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 07:47
On slugs, I would take the advice of Bobstan (who is, incidentally, my next-door-neighbour-but-one).

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 08:41
I live two doors downstream from Bobstan and usually pack my slugs in salty fish and chip wrapping and put them through his letter box. He doesn't get much post and so, as I understand, is quite grateful.



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 08:46
Have abandoned plans to go to CLS today; my weaher moles in Durham-shire aren't too hopeful on the weather front.

Fingers crossed there are some breaks in the rain long enough to get out on the park today. Weekend looks a bit better.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 09:02
Very sensible Bagpuss. No play before lunch and umpires will look again after lunch.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Botham (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 09:11
Quote:
Bagpuss
my weaher moles in Durham-shire

Do they eat slugs?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 09:16
Re: the slugs.

Rather than attempting crude man-made solutions that probably involve slow and horrible deaths for the slugs, why not attract some birds to your garden instead?

Blackbirds will happily consume them and at least you will be doing something useful for nature.

Alternatively put in a pond to attract frogs who will do the same sort of job.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 09:34
Whisper it quietly but the forecast for the Oval next week contains nary a blemish, with Wed and Thur looking excellent.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 10:06
It's certain to be dry next week. Warks have a match.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 10:07
How does one attract bird to one's garden? Hang up a dead cat? Build a third runway?



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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 10:22
Nothing before lunch at CLS



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Big Jim (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 10:39
I usually attract the birds by going out the back garden in my y-fronts and vest, LoL.
They love it.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 10:39
Quote:
Loyal of Lhasa.
How does one attract bird to one's garden? Hang up a dead cat? Build a third runway?

If you mean the one in Oman, how about threatening to start an argument on cricket on the lawn!!!
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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 10:42
Quote:
Big Jim
I usually attract the birds by going out the back garden in my y-fronts and vest, LoL.
They love it.

That sounds like an infallible way to attract them to the front garden. Presumably that is what you meant.



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Big Jim (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 10:43
The birds just adore my front garden, LoL.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
samaithai2 (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 10:55
according to weather channel rain stopped in maccam land.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 11:04
Quote:
Loyal of Lhasa.
How does one attract bird to one's garden? Hang up a dead cat? Build a third runway?

As so often, BJ has had the best answer.

But putting bird feeders or mini fruit trees or simply putting in the odd dense bush is likely to accomplish the task.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Big Jim (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 11:08
A dense bush?
Would that be George the elder or younger...or both?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 11:31
I'll keep crossing them in, BJ, you keep nodding them home like Dixie Dean.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Tumbles (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 12:04
Hmm doesn't look to bad.

[www.dur.ac.uk]

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 12:14
But it must be very very wet - how it looks and how it feels when you walk on it are usually two different things.



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 12:22
I think there's still more rain forecast.

Drainage is meant to be super-duper up there though.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mark (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 12:34
If there's no more rain play should resume at some stage this afternoon but latest forecast I've seen is for more rain to fall.
Forecast for tomorrow is not too bad though.
Edit(weather update!) Apparently it's started to rain again and the covers are going back on.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012:05:11:12:37:25 by Mark.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mark (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 12:54
Rain must have stopped-umpires will take another look in an hour(so around 3pm)
(Edited for typo)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012:05:11:12:56:12 by Mark.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 13:27
2.45 according to Sky.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 13:34
I am alternating b etween light showers and sun- with more sun than shower. U*nderfoot is squelchy. It is promising that they haven't yet called the day off and I expect that when they inspect they will either abandon play for the day or start at 4.30

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 13:39
Declare and get em in!!

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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mark (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 13:48
Quote:
Grockle
Declare and get em in!!
(Sm110)(Sm118)(Sm137)(Sm83)


(Sm71)
That's what I would do Grockle.
Looking ahead to the game on Sunday-Benks is almost certainly out with a dislocated shoulder and will be replaced as skipper by Colly.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mark (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 14:01
Play abandoned for the day.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 14:02
It's just not meant to be.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 14:09
The word rhymes with rugger.



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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 14:19
Quote:
old boy!
If the forecast is about right then, as I intimated before it looks like a quick half an hour from CK and Max on Saturday, then put them in again and hope that the young seamers, plus George and Max bowling without fear will set up the win.

You read it on Grockle.com first!!!! I stick by my words yesterday!!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Tumbles (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 14:19
Fingers crossed for a dry day tomorrow, we can still win this.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Big Jim (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 14:20
We'll win just before tea tomorrow.
Confident.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 14:24
Re Slugs

Last seen somewhere in the bowels of the European Parliament some years ago, when everyone was friends:

[blogs.ft.com]

Grizzzly

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Big Jim (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 14:27
Slugs.
Didn't he sing for 80's plastic ska band, Madness?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
hantssabre (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 17:10
No, he's Hampshire's all rounder (Sean Irvine)!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Norwich SCCC (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 19:07
I'm hopeful for some play tomorrow.

I'd be inclined to declare first thing and let our bowlers loose on a pitch that has been under covers for 60 hours. It may be the most helpful bowling conditions of the day.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Roger Sweet (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 19:24
Looking at the woeful performance by WI at Northampton today, we are almost 99% certain that "Compost" will be able to play for us on sunday. If we get some luck with the weather, tomorrow could be a pivotal day!!! Another great bowling performance by the youngsters (after CK has gained us another batting point) with hopefully VP coming to the party will provide an unexpected win.

Then Compo back on sunday against a demoralised Durham may give our 40/40 campaign a surprising filip as long as Blackie does not provide a one-man-band performance!!!!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mark (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 20:13
The forecast is reasonably promising for tomorrow. If I had to predict the outcome I'd favour a Somerset win ahead of the draw.

Our batsmen have just not got going this season-I'm not criticising them at all for the poor start because conditions have been tough and they've not had any luck at all.

I'm fairly sure we will turn things around but am not confident we will do so tomorrow-Vernon wasn't particularly effective in the first innings but the chances of him having another modest bowling performance in the second innings is remote and all of the bowlers will get some help from a pitch that's been undercover for a couple of days.

Hopefully our batsmen will find some form tomorrow and spend some much needed time in the middle but I'm not feeling confident!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Roger Sweet (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 21:43
Hopefully, our batsmen will spend very little time in the middle tomorrow as I hope we can bowl them out very cheaply in the second innings!!!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Big Jim (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 21:47
They'll struggle to make 50.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
11/05/2012 22:47
The forecast tomorrow is for a dry day. However, that doesn't mean the ground is playable because there has been a lot of water. We have to start on time because we can't afford a shortened day.
I think OB is nearly right, but having no play today I would be tempted to declare and forgo the possibility ofan extra batting point and gamble for the 14 We need another 30 . That will be 6 overs at least which loses us 8 overs bowling . If Durham bat for 70 overs at 3 an over that is 210.We would have to get 115 in 24 which is 5 an over. We can go for them . Any fewer overs or more runs and the draw looms .
Turning to Sunday. Durham have nothing to lose. Mustard and Blackwell on form can hit quick runs, so I imagine they will go for it and hope that our inexperienced attack won't cope. The weather may not hold - fine early is the forecast but perhaps showers late afternoon.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 06:18
I suspect that, as GM said, Durham may not bat that badly twice.

At least a couple of dismissals - those of Mustard and Claydon looked ridiculous, IMO.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 06:29
Today is sunny without a cloud in the sky and a stiff breeze( sorry we're playing Durham I'd better call it a wind) . It depends what the pitch is like as to when they start. As I said last night we must start on time to have a chance. I would hope for 100 for 4 at lunch and see where we go. We need a lot going for us to roll Durham out for under 200, when there is no real pressure on them to score runs.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Big Jim (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 08:27
Is Durham in Scotland?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 08:42
Not quite BJ (by about 100 miles) but sunrise today in Newcastle was 5.00.
They are inspecting at ClS at 10.00

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Big Jim (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 08:51
I was asking because I've heard it gets dark very early in Scotland, some time around half two in the afternoon.
If that's the case we really will need to bowl them out for 50.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 09:05
Only in the winter. When we leftSomerset for Northumberland
I was surprised that it was still light at 11.00 pm on a good summer day. Mind, as BJ says, if you have a late lunch in December you have your coffee in the dark.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 09:23
Further inspection at 11.00. I think that puts paid to any chance of a win. I know they only lasted 46 overs in the first innings, but the chances of that a second time are not likely.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 09:37
Presumably, if needed, Jones would be available for the Sunday match. I don't see how the university or its cricket club would or could forbid him from playing just for one weekend day.



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 09:46
Given how much time has already been lost, I agree with those favouring an immediate declaration, not least because the chances of Durham gaining another bowling point are higher than of SCCC, with thirty runs still required, obtaining another batting point. A small margin of points might be quite critical later in the season



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 09:49
Assume they won't even start until after lunch, then?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 10:14
Never assume!

Play due to start in 30 minutes (11.40)

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
nelliec (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 10:15
11.40 start so assuming extra half hour only ten minutes lost?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 10:17
On the other hand every run Somerset scored in a 20-30 minutes smash (Kieswetter is a specialist) would be worth double to help in a later run chase.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 10:17
Quote:
nelliec
11.40 start so assuming extra half hour only ten minutes lost?

I'm afraid not, on the last day no time added.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 10:18
A bit too pessimistic there, AGod, (how unlike you): play to start at 11.40.

The commentator interviewed two SCCC supporters yesterday, one who'd travelled from Cornwall, the other from Taunton. Obviously both were rather depressed but their response that the season had started too early did not really make sense. May is often a wet month but county cricket has been played in May for as long as I can remember. The matches that took place in early April this year were largely uninterrupted and the problems arose only because of three or four extraordinarily wet weeks from mid-April, which nobody could have predicted when the fixture list was drawn up.



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 10:43
I don't understand Somerset batting on???

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
BristolRob (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 10:46
Nor do I.



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 10:46
Ironically, had the season started EARLIER this year, the first CC matches would have been played in blazing hot sunshine with no interruptions.

The UK climate is so varied, it's impossible to say what one month is going to be from one year to the next. It's like when they argue, with good reason I believe, for a mid season break in football..but when do you take it? This year Feb was our coldest month of winter but the year before it came in December.

Have we given up hope of victory? Can't see the sense of batting on, wasting time and exposing a tail ender in his first CC match of the season. On this pitch, 250 is still a long way off..

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
mikeindex (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 11:15
I can understand batting on to get the bonus point - but not for doing so after 250?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 11:16
Well played Craig K!! Another batting point.

Think I would declare now tho'.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Scrumper (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 11:23
DECLARE NOW.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 11:24
Sometimes I look at those running the playing side of things and the strategies they follow and I despair.

We've used up 40 mins + a possible 10 minute change over to make 34 runs with our number eleven being exposed to 18 balls without scoring.

We should have declared overnight and made them sweat..an out of form side on a damp wicket.

Durham must be highly content with our game plan at this stage.

Poor.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Kingston Black (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 11:27
Quote:
mikeindex
I can understand batting on to get the bonus point - but not for doing so after 250?

Yep - I concur with that. Playing on simply so that CK could reach his hundred would be a very poor tactical decision...

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 11:33
..a run out!! Not very clever cricket this!!

Perhaps our bowlers can do the job again.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Big Jim (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 11:35
Stop grumbling, this one's in the bag.
Have faith.
Mun.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 11:36
We don't play clever cricket. It's why we haven't won anything since 2005. We always follow the safe, conservative method and then wonder why the forward thinking counties like Lancs, Warks, Notts etc win the trophies.

Well batted Craig though..sounded like a class knock on a difficult wicket.

Now let's see if our bowlers can do as fantastically as on Wednesday....

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 11:36
No generalisation in that assessement of about 7 years of county cricket then :-)



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
WyvernRose (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 11:38
From a complete noob perspective.. Prior is apparently injured... so maybe CK asked for a chance to make a century to remind them Bairstow isn't the only cab on the rank?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 11:39
Quote:
old boy!
Clearly we expect Durham to put up more of a fight in second innings, if only because a few of the EXPERIENCED players may be due to dropped!!

Whatever happens on Friday (I'm assuming Thursday is a write-off for rain and snow??) we can be proud of our youngsters. Lets hope CK, Max and George can get our innings upto about 260 before it closes - then I will really feel like a genius!!

So am I a genius?? or related to Mystic Meg???

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 11:42
Well neither makes you psychic OB :-)



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Reverse Swing (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 11:55
Anyone up in Durham? Is the ball doing anything today or does batting look more comfortable.

Giving the pitch an extra hour in the sun while we batted on seems an odd decision, but we'll see.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 12:05
To win the county championship risk have to be taken throughout the season, playing safe will not win it, one extra batting point or sixteen for a win.

If we end up winning I will gladly eat my words but if Durham ends up with the loss of eight wickets …..

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 12:17
I doubt we'll get as many as 8 wickets.

I am happy with the extra batting point.

I stand to be corrected if GM says the ball is doing much, though.

Well done, Craig K.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 12:49
George run out when trying to get back for a 2nd run that Craig had called for. No hesitations, he just was't fast enought (and the hrow from the boundary was good)

Somerset supporters a the ground before start of play seemed split ino the 'bat on' and the 'declare now' camps. I was in he latter. Some of those with far better crickety brains than I were definitely of a 'bat on'. mind. I think once they'd decided to bat on, then it was probably the right thing to do tto keep going even after he 250; by this point Craig had his eye in and was smacking the ball to the boundary. Unfortunately with 8 men back it became more difficult to find it.

Durham openers didn't look in too much trouble before lunch. One serious appeal for ct behind Di Venuto off VP, umpire not at all interested. Some high fluffy clouds and lots of sun. May cloud over later this afternoon tthough and we aren't out of the woods as far as the weather's concerned with the chance of a light shower.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Big Jim (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 13:02
The big collapse is about to start.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 13:02
42 for 0 so looking like Hildreth probably got it right.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 13:09
Official site confirms whatt I overheard when I got here this morning that Jamie O has made the journey to Durham for tthe CB40. Also not unexpectedly Vernon Philander unlikely to feature (suspect he may be down the road in Sunderland watching the football instead)

[www.somersetcountycc.co.uk]

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 13:36
Yep listening to the radio there aren't 10 wickets in this pitch today I'm afraid. But there is at least 2!!



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 13:39
My hero is in ... did I hear a shout from Tractor to the effect that we're down to the tail now?



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 14:14
I'm at the ground . Looks like a draw. Overton dropped stone man off philander and if he had taken that we may have had a sniff. Gregory just bowled one of the worst overs I have seen in recent times. Wides and no balls and general drivel. His batting better hurry up and get going as his bowling looks shoddy. Mesch bowling well and I don't know why they haven't tried the spinners

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 14:15
How about trying George and Max before its too late??

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 14:32
George beat Middlesex on his own - has he upset James at Poker???

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 14:34
Or the pitch has nothing for him perhaps?



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 14:36
How do we know?? I bet anything Kartik would have been brought on by now!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Big Jim (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 14:40
The collapse is imminent.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 14:40
Quite right old boy . How do we know if they are not tried. As I speak Overton has got colly. Tea now

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 15:08
Ronnie. I think Lewis is still trying to adapt to his new action. A real shame that he had that nasty injury.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 15:13
Quote:
Big Jim
The collapse is imminent.

It's already happened, BJ; it's just a conspiracy by the commentator to withhold the information from us.



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 15:20
He was losing his run up to ag looks lack of confidence to me.

They will be shaking hands at 5 I think. Not that impressed with philander today. Very average I think. Overton has just got stoneman though.



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 15:25
Philander has taken 12 wickets in 2 matches (3 innings) at Taunton

but..

only 5 wickets in 2 matches (4 innings) on the road.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 15:30
Yep, underwhelming away from home, unfortunately.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 15:32
But... I predict he will go well at the Oval.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 15:34
Durham effectively 23-5 as I write. If we don't win this, it will not be because of our batting-on strategy this morning. Our young bowlers, especially it seems Overton, will have done a superb job against one of the most experienced (albeit out of form) batting line-ups in the country, recent county champions many of them, on their home ground.

A great job by a very young and inexperienced team, in my view, and one giving great hope for our future. If we DO win, then even better, of course!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Reverse Swing (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 15:35
Quote:
AGod
Yep, underwhelming away from home, unfortunately.

Which is very interesting, as I know Brian thought he'd be a real assett on the road.

The performance of Overton is a nice counter-balance and far more important to us in the long-term.

At 5 wickets down with an hour and a half to go, it's just a shame we lost that hour this morning (let alone the previous two days).

Another game we SHOULD have won, with something conspiring against us.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 15:41
Surely we can't shake hands until we have at least given the spinners a bowl??

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Roger Sweet (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 15:43
Shazad has taken 3 for 6 off 3 overs at Hove this evening. He is lokking very good!!!! Did we ever approach???

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 15:48
Don't forget a minimum of sixteen overs in the last hour.

With six down.

Game on.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Reverse Swing (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 15:49
Durham 6 down with a lead of 37 runs.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 15:57
7 tregs has got thorp. 24 overs to go

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 16:11
NOW it is interesting!!

ROGER -yes we approached.

Good we are in with a shot as VP seemed to be being set up to take the fall for this one if we drew.

If we believe the pitch has little for spin AND we think the seamers have a chanceof getting these guys AND we have a small lead with wickets needed then con't you see a reason not to try the spinners? I take your point but there is another explanation.



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 16:16
It's 'can we clear up the tail time'?!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 16:17
It makes you think that, perhaps like TRES sometimes, James is taking his orders from the pavilion, and not using spinners at all. If they aren't used in this situation, even if they fail, I can't see where we might ever use them. George and Max must be pretty fed up. I will be delighted to be proved wrong, but the overs are just running away.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 16:17
Good time for Vernon to show what he is capable of.

Preferably a hat-trick.

Grizzzly

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 16:24
But ob, everyone else is taking wickets! You can only bowl one guy from each end. James is a lot closer than us, even closer than those in the pavilion. He's also played more FC cricket and captained more first-class teams than (I think) any of us. Why would we know better?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 16:27
How many overs left ?

Grizzzly

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 16:28
16

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 16:28
Quote:
AGod
I doubt we'll get as many as 8 wickets.
I am happy with the extra batting point.

I stand to be corrected if GM says the ball is doing much, though.

Well done, Craig K.


Ye of little faith smiling smiley

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Scrumper (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 16:29
Can't Blackie just step on his stumps.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 16:32
Hello SP,
Everybody has bowled brilliantly, I suspect to a pre-ordained plan and I am delighted for them all. If anyone denies that Kartik would have bowled, then I would say they were deluding themselves IMO.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 16:32
Thanks Mike. Presume that means 14 to bat for us.

Or 13 by now......

Grizzzly

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 16:35
We'll never know, ob. smiling smiley

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 16:41
Can't see us winning now. Still 2 wickets to get..and don't forget you lose 2 overs because of the change of innings. We'd be chasing about 10 an over, just like in 2010.

A terrific effort by our young bowlers but once again the combination of the weather and our inability to cross the finishing line up seems to have cost us.

Lots of encouraging plussses from the game though.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 16:45
9 down......

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 16:50
I wonder what the over rate is like with no spinners being used.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 16:55
Match drawn.

We dropped Brathwaite right at the end too.

Supporting Somerset has to be the most frustrating thing in all of sport. Always so close but always so far....

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 16:56
Great effort by everyone, but I stand by my thoughts - it may not have made any difference but nobody will EVER know now!

The most important lesson is, surely, that never again should those that advocate it, keep on about we MUST have experience BEFORE any other consideration!! Young talent is waiting to burst out all over the place!!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 17:00
Mike 13.05:

"To win the county championship risk have to be taken throughout the season, playing safe will not win it, one extra batting point or sixteen for a win.

If we end up winning I will gladly eat my words but if Durham ends up with the loss of eight wickets …..."

Prophetic words Mike, even if we did get nine !

Not sure whether to feel cross because we batted on & took up valuable time, or elated that we bowled so well in this game & nearly got there, despite the best efforts of the weather.

Will await the inevitable debate with interest !

Grizzzly

Edited re spelling !



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 17:01
We weren't THAT close, LB - we'd have still had to get about a hundred, so it's not like that drop cost us the match.

Agree with ob - great effort against the odds, still gives plenty of optimism going forward. 8 pts, which is more than many will get this week (tho worried Surrey are going to win). Meschede man of the match?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 17:03
Yes I agree.

This will go down as the match when Craig M made his breakthrough..6 wickets for 64 and 62 with the bat.

Craig O took 6-87 in his only second match.

Added to that Peter having potentially his best ever season for us..and there were lots of highlights for us. We would surely have won but for the weather..maybe even had we not lost the 40 minutes this morning.

Pity we put down two chances in the slips in the last hour. That was costly.

We are a good side in the making but still can't quite get over the finishing line.



With all 4 matches in this round looking like finishing draws (though as I write what a performance by Surrey!), my £5 on Warks, who didn't play this week, isn't looking too bad!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 17:06
I don't think batting on this morning was playing safe or defensive - I just think this was James' strategy and his best plan for the win.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 17:08
That was a hugely creditable result, given the inexperience of our team. It was the rain that won it, but in Overton and Meschede we clearly have a couple of future stars and Trego is our leading wicket-taker of the season.

Is there any contributor here who wishes they supported another county?



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 17:11
Mark, probably smiling smiley

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Big Jim (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 17:12
Stunning effort by everyone, that's another team we've completely dominated.
Just a shame about the Scotch weather.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 17:13
No. I am sure Mark is happy not to support another county, i.e. a county other than the one he already supports.



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 17:15
"Scotch weather?" It was Wales wot sent it.



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 17:16
I don't know how you'd do it but I wish there could be extra points for a winning draw in a match decimated by weather.

It seems crazy we came within an hour of (probable) victory, having taken 19 wickets in the match and scored 142 more in our first innings... yet only picked up 2 more points for our efforts than Durham did.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 17:27
Worcs held out v Surrey - thank goodness.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 17:32
But looking at predictions and the messages of confidence before the match what a goood draw (if there is such a thing) and we do come out of this with more confidence than we went into it I am sure.

Now we need to battle over confidence and treat the next game exactly the same way.



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mark (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 17:51
I couldn't go to the game today so missed all the excitement!

I was surprised Somerset didn't put us in as soon as play started because the pitch has been undercover for a couple of days and the way our batting has been going we'd probably have been at least 3 or 4 down by lunch.
I suppose it's one of those situations where there's no right or wrong decision, all comes down to opinion.

We were outplayed and fortunate to get away with a draw although at least our top 6 managed some much needed time in the middle so hopefully things will start to improve.
Agree that Somerset will take a lot of confidencefrom this match-missing so many first team regulars and you would have won if the weather had been just a little better.

Our team has been announced for tomorrow-Blackie is not playing but Liam Plunkett is.

Phil Mustard (19) Wicket keeper
Mark Stoneman (26)
Paul Collingwood (5) Captain
Will Smith (2)
Gordon Muchall (24)
Gareth Breese (70)
Scott Borthwick (16)
Liam Plunkett (20)
Mitchell Claydon (25)
Graham Onions (9)
Chris Rushworth (22)

Benks out with a dislocated shoulder & Ben Stokes has a bad back and is also about to have a knee operation-nothing serious apparently and he should be ready to play in about 3 weeks.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Botham (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 18:25
Wow, again, too many pages to read through, but well done guys.

Off now to find a shotgun or dig a pond!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 18:28
Breese!!!

Do they only wheel him out to play us?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Norwich SCCC (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 18:38
A lot of positives to take from this match and a moral victory if not an actual one.

I'm sure the youngsters can learn a lot from this, especially Craig's M & O.

Shame we could not win but plenty of reasons to look forward to the rest of the season and beyond.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mark (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 18:41
It is a long time since Breese played a match winning Championship innings against your team(think Jamie Cox was Somerset skipper at the time?) He hasn't played Championship cricket for a couple of seasons but is still a regular in the one day team and captained the side in a CB40 match last year when Benks was injured.
He's one of those players who seems to have been around for ages but is 'only' 36 years old.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 18:51
Criticisms are not in order. The reason we didn't win was because we lost 12 overs this morning to the weather. Add those on and we hade time to take the last wicket and go for the runs at 6 or 7. I thought we would declare overnight but as the game unfolded I realised we were right.We were ahead on first inings by 136. and we would have had to have scored just over 100 to win. Without this mornings 41 there was a glimmer for Durham to think of victory and it was easier to score this morning than it might have been this evening.
As for the play, I am very impressed with the 2 Craigs and again I am sure that Pete would die for Somerset- he gives so much.A pity about the 2 dropped catches -neither looked easy. I was underwhelemed with Philander. It is so obvious that he is bowling under orders of how many overs rather than the dictates of the play that I want to scream.Add in wayward balls and no balls and I despair. The over rate without Max or George at one stage got to plus 1. The pitch was doing nothing ,the sky was clear and to reduce an experienced batting side to 234 for 9 is splendid. Let;s not forget that we were less than 20 overs from a victory in a game where we lost 3 overs on day 1, the whole of days 2 and 3 ,12 overson day 4 andfinished 10 overs early. A fantastic effort

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 19:20
Excellent summary GM Thanks for that.



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Big Jim (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 19:28
Brilliant as usual, cheers Geordie.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 19:55
Looking at the events unfolding in this game from hundreds of miles away, I consider this to be a very, very good result for James Hildreth and the team.

This could be the defining career moment when some boys became men, and I hope and trust that these young players will gain confidence and build on the experience for the future.

There will of course be many difficult challenges ahead, but on the basis of this game, and this game alone, there is justification for some quiet confidence in the future.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 20:10
It certainly isn't a bad start CP. You have to look at it and be hopeful for the future. Really like the look of Craig Overton and very pleased for Craig Meschede.



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
12/05/2012 20:46
Exceptional effort, desperately unfortunately not to win. Another 2 hours would probably have been sufficient. Craig Machede, Craig Overton @ Craig Kieswetter were brilliant in this game but also a great team effort overall taking the difficult circumstances into account.

Well done to all.

WCG

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
12/05/2012 20:47
sorry should have edited better

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 20:50
Quote:
geordie moonraker
...
As for the play, I am very impressed with the 2 Craigs ...

A very clear, fair and positive summary as always, GM, and I am sure you enjoyed your day in the sun. Those northern lights must help too in the evenings.

I am very impressed with the THREE Craigs and we are going to be impossible to beat as soon as we get Craig Trescothick, Craig Compton, Craig Buttler, Craig Thomas and Craig Kirby back in the side.



LoL

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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Big Jim (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 21:05
LoL's gone craigy.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 21:10
That's one way of putting it.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 21:18
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Little Bird
I don't know how you'd do it but I wish there could be extra points for a winning draw in a match decimated by weather.
It seems crazy we came within an hour of (probable) victory, having taken 19 wickets in the match and scored 142 more in our first innings... yet only picked up 2 more points for our efforts than Durham did.

The Sheffield Shield used to award bonus points for a first innings lead.

It does seem wrong that we barely did any better than Durham out of this match.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 21:24
... nothing wrong with a blitzcraig (see [en.wikipedia.org]). That should guarantee total victory over everybody.



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 21:25
Short memory, AGod. For most of its history the CC also awarded first innings points.



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
North Berwick John (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 21:42
Just back from the match. Fantastic performance by the bowlers today, but 4 or possibly 5 catches put down (albeit difficult ones) today probably cost us the match. Can't quite understand why we batted beyond 250 - we needed overs to bowl not runs.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
12/05/2012 23:32
Thank you LoL- I have got used to having Craig K around.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
13/05/2012 05:44
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Loyal of Lhasa.
Short memory, AGod. For most of its history the CC also awarded first innings points.

I first became interested in county cricket in about 1983 or 1984.

I am unaware of any such system having been operated since then.

If I'm right then not guilty of poor memory.

If such a system operated in the 60s or 70s simply something I was never aware of in the first place.

Sheffield Shield, I believe, operated such a system until very recently.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
old boy! (IP Logged)
13/05/2012 06:22
Quote:
Loyal of Lhasa.
Quote:
geordie moonraker
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As for the play, I am very impressed with the 2 Craigs ...

A very clear, fair and positive summary as always, GM, and I am sure you enjoyed your day in the sun. Those northern lights must help too in the evenings.

I am very impressed with the THREE Craigs and we are going to be impossible to beat as soon as we get Craig Trescothick, Craig Compton, Craig Buttler, Craig Thomas and Craig Kirby back in the side.

The rate our young lads are developing most of your 'craigs' will be first reserves!!!
[:wor kid:]

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Botham (IP Logged)
13/05/2012 07:20
I imagine we batted on, thinking we couldn't win the match, so trying to allow Kieso to get his century?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
13/05/2012 07:23
Brian Rose was also most unhappy with the fact that we took only two more points than Durham despite being by far the better side.

Thinking about it, perhaps it might make sense for the bowling points system to be changed so that you get points based not on volume of wickets taken per se, but rather based on how cheaply you can bundle your opponent out?

At the moment bowling points are surely pretty easy to come by and most teams collect all of their available bowling points almost all of the time unless the weather intervenes.

You could have five bowling points available - bowl your opponent out for fewer than 150 runs - 5 points. Fewer than 200 - 4 points. Fewer than 250 - 3 points. Fewer than 300 - 2 points. Fewer than 350 - 1 point. Anything else? Null points.



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Big Jim (IP Logged)
13/05/2012 08:09
No point in being upset or angry, we all know the rules, the points system.
Maybe Durham should turn around and say that as they were well and truly panned then they'd like to donate their points to us.
Let's just be very proud of what the boys did and move on to the next match bristling with confidence and aggression.
The CC is still well within our grasp.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
13/05/2012 09:06
If points were awarded for 'we would've had 'em if the weather hadn't b#@@$%er it up' Surrey would've ended up with more points than Worcestershire for their draw, raher than less.

I rest my case for tthe status quo.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
13/05/2012 09:37
Onions is in the test 13.

Were he to play..and the match went the distance..it'd finish on Monday.

We play Durham starting on the Tuesday.

Lots of ifs and buts..but would that scenario mean he wouldn't play at Taunton?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
13/05/2012 09:49
I doubt he will play for England.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Little Bird (IP Logged)
13/05/2012 09:52
I doubt that too but my question was IF!

You never know..a bowler could pull up with an injury in the warm up!

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
13/05/2012 09:54
Irrespective of this game and the weather, though, I simply think it makes little sense to award bonus points for things that almost always occur?

There's surely a clue in the word 'bonus'?

Why should teams get two bonus points, for example, for managing all of 5 or 6 wickets inside 110 overs? In most games that does not represent much of an achievement?

And if almost all teams pick up almost all of the bowling points in almost all games in which the first innings is not heavily curtailed by rain, then doesn't that defeat the purpose of them?

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Mark (IP Logged)
13/05/2012 10:06
Quote:
Little Bird
Onions is in the test 13.
Were he to play..and the match went the distance..it'd finish on Monday.

We play Durham starting on the Tuesday.

Lots of ifs and buts..but would that scenario mean he wouldn't play at Taunton?
If he plays in the test I'm fairly sure he wouldn't play at Taunton.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
13/05/2012 10:20
Sharp is our Mark!!



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Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
13/05/2012 10:33
Little Bird-

If Onions does play in first test and do well, I imagine he would keep his place in the second Test which starts on Fri 25th, so I can't see him playing. Even being in squad for 2nd test would rule him out.

 
Re: Bullish in Durham CC1
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
13/05/2012 12:35
AGod: I was only having a very minor dig at your memory, well aware that you started watching cricket many years after I did. However, I do believe in the importance of a collective memory on the part of all of us who really love our national game. Thus I well recall that Jack Hobbs scored 197 first class centuries and that he equalled and then overtook WG's record in the first and second innings of a match between Surrey and Somerset at Taunton, though I never saw him bat.

And I am sure you remember that Jim Laker took 19 wickets in a Test against Australia, even though it was before you were born.



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