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Bearing it all again at Taunton


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By Grockle et al
April 23 2013

Alviro Petersen becomes a Grocklee and Westcountryman this Thursday as Sommerset open their home account for 2013 at the County Ground.  After 2 games away this will be the first cricket of the season at home and the chance for many to see our international star who already has over 200 runs to his name in the one game he has played.  The heavy roller also returns.  Welcome back Tractor!!

v CC1 Warwickshire @ Taunton Thursday 25 April 2013

 

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The Bears at Taunton at the start of a cricket season is something of a tradition these days.  It will either end in devastating defeat as it did a couple of years ago or will showcase massive Somersetian talent like the triple hundred of James Hildreth a couple of seasons before that. It will however be totally new to at least one member of the Somerset side because Alviro Petersen has never experienced it in Westcountry colours before. After the highest ever debut score by a Somerset player in the first innings against Surrey of 167, he added 90 in the second so he is a hero in the county before he sets foot there.

 

But there are things to put right during this first game at home.  The nature of the beast nowadays requires sides to get themselves in order quickly in the Championship and Somerset have not done that once again. The notorious slow starters in CC1 have done it again, snatching defeat from the jaws of possible victory in the mists of Durham and falling foul of a flat and unresponsive pitch at the Oval 6 days ago.  A win is vital and the Bears are not the side to give that to the opposition easily.

 

Although Warwickshire will be without England names in their batting line-up while we can play Nick Compton, our batting is not showing any real consistency yet except for the new man.  Jos Buttler did get himself into the 90's in the second go at the Oval and Craig Kieswetter has looked patiently in some kind of nick but the rest of the front end have had a pretty miserable time getting in and then getting out while poor old Compo hasn't got his yorker radar working at all yet.

 

The bowling has looked better with a satisfying start from the old guys Kirbs and Alf and Pete Trego looking on for another 50 CC wickets.  Added to that is the fire of James Overton who has received plaudits from the Press and appreciative glances from opposing batsmen in his two run outs this season.

 

The weather may play a part and we have no idea how the pitch will play after the winter.  The TV will be there as part of the new cricket exposure plan by the media.  The BBC will have a commentary presence online, whether the club will is yet to be seen. The SCCC ball by ball service may be discontinued because of the renewed interest of the BBC.

 

No big runs yet for Banger or Hildreth or Trigger.  We need to hope for continued work from  the bowlers and a little more application from the men with the willow.  My online contributions are curtailed by the 7000 mile distance between me and the action but I'm sure those there will keep us entertained and informed on this thread and hopefully online as well.

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Bearing it all again at Taunton
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23/04/2013 10:45
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013:04:30:07:52:16 by Grockle.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 13:54
Should we now treat this as the game thread?

 
The Bears in Taunton
nelliec (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 08:57
County Champions Warwickshire have been boosted by the return to fitness of 6ft 8in fast bowler Boyd Rankin, who will be available for selection for this week’s four-day match in Taunton against Somerset. With Wright , Woakes and Barker they have an impressive bowling line up.
With Bell and Trott also both available we are going to have to be at the top of our game this week.



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Re: The Bears in Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 09:25
Marcus was hugely impressed with Rankin when he helped to bowl us to defeat at Edgbaston a couple of years ago.

Ashley Giles implied, no that occasion, that we had lacked bottle in facing Rankin.

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 09:37
Well we will soon find out how our pitches will be playing this season without the supervision of Mr Rose.

And the return of the heavy roller, in saying that the new heavy roller looks more like a medium size roller, the only weight specified that I have seen is the weight of the small roller.

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 09:40
from what I heard Woakes, Bell and Trott aren't available unless things have changed. They are avaiable next week from what I had heard!!

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 09:53
This may help!



Chris Woakes (Warwickshire): Available for LV=CC games against Derbyshire (10-13 April), Durham (17-20 April) and Sussex (1-4 May). Schedule to be reviewed after 4 May ahead of first Investec Test.


Ian Bell (Warwickshire): Available for LV=CC games against Sussex (1-4 May) and Middlesex (8-11 May). Available for YB40 game against Kent (6 May). Unavailable for YB40 game against Sussex (12 May).



Jonathan Trott (Warwickshire): Available for LV=CC games against Sussex (1-4 May) and Middlesex (8-11 May). Available for YB40 game against Kent (6 May). Unavailable for YB40 game against Sussex (12 May).

[www.ecb.co.uk]

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
nelliec (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 09:56
You're both right .I had opened up the 2012 ecb availability.All the better then



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Re: The Bears in Taunton
nelliec (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 09:59
Any idea where the wicket will be Mike.

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 10:02
I will have a look, it could be in the middle (which is unusual for a county match) with the TV being there.

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 10:04
no worries Nelliec...............hopefully we get into them and show them whose boss and get our season well and truly up and running.

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 10:08
What does Woakes need a rest from?



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Re: The Bears in Taunton
RadstockRob (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 10:09
resting!



Who put the A in Trego?

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 10:11
... bit like a cat then, nothing like a doze after a long sleep.



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Re: The Bears in Taunton
nelliec (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 10:17
One would assume that Rankin would be a straight replacement for Woakes from the Warks team last week

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 10:22
... certainly a tall one and I assume he suffers from no significant curvature.



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Re: The Bears in Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 10:29
Quote:
Mike TA1
Well we will soon find out how our pitches will be playing this season without the supervision of Mr Rose.
And the return of the heavy roller, in saying that the new heavy roller looks more like a medium size roller, the only weight specified that I have seen is the weight of the small roller.

Perhaps there is some discretion then, in size of "non light," roller and we've deliberately gone for a relatively light "non-light" roller because we continue to believe that a heavy roller will cause us problems in terms of making the track too flat as a game wears on?

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 10:31
Quote:
nelliec
You're both right .I had opened up the 2012 ecb availability.All the better then

I wonder why Woakes is unavailable?

Looks odd, given that he did play vs Derbyshire?

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 10:38
AG my understanding is that most ground staff do not like the return of the heavy roller, simply because it helped to get result games.

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 11:20
Never mind who is or isn't available for Warwickshire. Is LoL available for Somerset? would appear to be the question that should be foremost in our minds.

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 11:23
The problem is, CP, that I've just had a rather good offer to play in the IPL this week. My agent, BJ, is sorting things out for me.



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Re: The Bears in Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 11:55
Is that for the new franchise of the Lhasa Lurkabouts?



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Re: The Bears in Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 12:09
If I DO ignore Somerset's demands and go off to play for that IPL team, Grockle, I think we'll have to call them the Lhasa Disloyalists.



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Re: The Bears in Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 12:21
Quote:
Loyal of Lhasa.
The problem is, CP, that I've just had a rather good offer to play in the IPL this week. My agent, BJ, is sorting things out for me.

Be careful that the "I," does not turn out to stand for somewhere in Wales, as you may find the remuneration somewhat less than anticipated.

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 12:34
I believe they're known to their rivals as LoL's Mob...

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 15:12
Keith Barker picked up an injury in Warks win againt Durham, if he isn't fit then Rankin will probably replace him.

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 16:51
Good! I think Barker IS the biggest danger.
If Tres fails again in both innings, IMO I think he should consider dropping down the order to 4,5 or 6. I still don't believe that his ankle is as "good" as it has been stated. IMO dropping down the order will enable him to extend his 4-day career by 2/3 years. He could still open in the 1 day stuff where he has licence to blast from the first ball.

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 18:27
He looked fine on his ankle, Old Boy.

At the moment, Banger has a technical issue - playing with a crooked bat when a straight one is called for. That has led directly to 3 of 4 dismissals so far this season.

I'm sure they'll have looked at that on the tape and be working overtime to correct it.

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 18:46
You may be right but I believe he may be "looking after" his ankle and that could be part of the technical problem.

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 18:52
I think the most likely technical problem that could occur due to 'looking after the ankle,' would be a failure to fully transfer his weight forward (ie onto the previously injured ankle).

That does not seem to have been the cause of 3 of his dismissals but, perhaps, it could have played a role in his second innings dismissal at the Oval (caught at slip after driving at a slightly wide one).

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
Frome Exile (IP Logged)
22/04/2013 21:29
I strongly suspect that a man with 20,000 first class runs can live without technical guidance from any laptop jockeys here.

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 05:46
What a good job that nobody was offering him any technical advice then.

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 07:08
Quote:
Frome Exile
I strongly suspect that a man with 20,000 first class runs can live without technical guidance from any laptop jockeys here.

I agree with you FE. As a loyal supporter of Marcus (possibly one of, if not the greatest cricketers Somerset has had) I am anxious that he can play for us as long as he possibly can. His value to us particularly in the 4-day game is so great, I think his longevity is best managed by batting further down the order AND allowing him to control the destiny of each innings better.

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
nelliec (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 07:14
I would personally just drop him down to three behind Compo and Alviro. Think at the moment its just a lack of foot movement early on against the new ball

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 07:33
I think we are on the same wavelength - I would have thought middle order would be more suitable though! I expect, knowing how Tres reacts, he will probably now open against Warwick and get a double century!

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 08:24
Tres has ALWAYS had a lack of foot movement as a part of his game. It's hardly new?

He's never necessarily been the best bet in the world on the sort of track that we apparently played on up at Durham with it seaming around all over the place.

The Oval is certainly the sort of track that he would normally be expected to score heavily on, though.

But this certainly isn't the first time that he's started a season slowly.

In 2011, I think it was, (might have been 2010) he started slowly. I think it was about the fourth game of the season when he rocked up at Southampton feeling, in his own words, 'completely out of nick,' but then battled through his lack of form in that innings, ended up with a really good score and did not look back thereafter.

I can't see much point in moving him to number three for two games (the amount for which NC will be available) and then having to move him back up the order again?

And I'm not sure that opening with AP and AS (after Nick has gone back to England) would make much sense either given that, I think, Arul also struggles with getting the feet going early on.



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Re: The Bears in Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 08:25
The other point of course is that, so long a Marcus sets the batting order, it is surely very unlikely that he would voluntarily move himself down the order anyway?

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 08:28
As for NC.... the following point might bear watching over the next 2 games (and maybe then the Test series to follow).

Nick was yorked in both innings at the Oval.

I wonder if opposing bowlers, sick of bowling to NC for an eternity last season have adopted new tactics against him? Have given up hoping to get him to misjudge things outside off-stick, for example.

I shall be interested to see if Warks also make conspicuous attempts to york Nick... and in whether they succeed (hopefully not).

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
nelliec (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 09:27
Moving on to the bowling I wonder if Mr Nosworthy will consider rotating the Overton twins this week,just to keep Jove fresh, and give Cove a chance to impress?

 
Re: The Bears in Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 09:45
I wondered the same thing.

I'd quite like to get another look at Craig.

Equally, we have two pace bowlers that are old in pace bowling terms and we had to do quite a lot of bowling on the Friday at the Oval.

It's a long season and a case could possibly be made for resting one of the old pace bowlers and, thus, playing both Overtons.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Railboy (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 15:36
He may well have done that already! How many of us would ever know if he did?



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Palairet (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 15:57
I am filled with excitement at the prospect of once more seeing some cricket at Taunton on Thursday and Friday.

I hope that the winter months have not been unduly harsh to my friends, and that I find them all to be in good health and spirit.

May the good weather continue and may the Gods look down favourably upon our county team!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 17:51
Definitely no Barker for Warwickshire - out for about 6 weeks with a suspected thigh strain. Not that they don't have the cover though.

Edited for anatomical correction. Although some places ae still reporting it as a side strain.

Actually more reliable sources suggesting a side strain.Not sure why the differentiation is causing me so much angst though, He's borked either way.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
nelliec (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 18:08
So no Woakes or Barker from there last game!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 18:41
You vets are very impressive, Bagpuss, making anatomical corrections just like that.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 18:46
Borked?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 18:58
I am wondering whether it means "damaged by an Icelandic volcano".

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 19:08
If it doesn't?

It should!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 19:44
Borked = broken. More specifically when technology goes wrong I think.

I have a suspicion that Woakes is available

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
nelliec (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 20:51
If he is available its down to a certain Mr.Giles, as his original workload did not include this game and would be assessed after May 4th

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 20:59
In the original plan he was due to play the first week v Derbyshire but was then withdrawn. Have to say I didn't think he wass available but ome Warks people who probably know stuff eem to think he's ok for selection. If he doen't play maybe Milne will get a start.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
nelliec (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 21:08
Sort your ss'ss out Bagpuss

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 21:45
Toast crumbs...

At least I didn't suggest Milne would get a tart.....

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 21:45
Whoever they get on the park, I'm more interested in our batsmen getting plenty of runs and our bowlers bowling them out.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
wsm fan (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 22:09
Yes exactly. If we turn up and play to potential it really doesn't worry me who any opposition team bring to play.

Expecting an unchanged team from us, only possible change I guess is Overton for Overton.
Just hope it's not quite as tense a finish as last year, don't think Hussain will be seeing us through this time....

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
23/04/2013 22:34
If Woakes is ruled out by the ECB, a possible replacement is former Yorkshire fast bowler Oliver Hannon-Dalby, about whom we made an unsuccessful query last summer as a possible loan signing.

He is 6ft 7in, and with Boyd Rankin at 6ft 8in, Warwickshire would certainly have something of a tall story to tell. if both play.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 06:20
They keep changing it, but the latest met office forecast is rather good, with Friday and Sunday both very sunny and the other two days not too shabby.

Could be a bit cold for those watching in person, rather than on TV.

Grockle - can/do you get some sort of syndicated version of sky out in Oman?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 06:24
If that forecast is close to being right then it looks like batting second and fourth may be the way to go, should we win the toss again.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 07:31
Craig Overton and Leach named in a squad of 13 apparently, according to today's 'Daily Telegraph.'

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 08:12
Quote:
AGod
Grockle - can/do you get some sort of syndicated version of sky out in Oman?

Yep we get something called OSN (where the S stands for 'Showtime' part of the SKY global thing. Not sure we'll get cricket coverage though, it does seem we may get T20 stuff - it was advertised as such in March but no noise since but I'll keep my eyes peeled.

Presently raining here like there is no tomorrow. No school, nothing happening here. Rain is like snow in these parts.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 08:23
You can keep the rain there Grockle, I have seen the water sprinklers in action every day since last week at the county ground.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 08:34
Flicking through the channels this lunchtime I now have Sussex v Fly Emirates XI T20 from Sharjah I think last month - obscure thing to show a month later. But it's cricket Jim.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 08:56
.. But not as we know it.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 08:58
Interesting that Leach is in the squad. Are we already hoping to produce turning tracks, this early in the season? In which case, Mr Leach might play?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 09:05
Warwickshire team for tomorrow


Jim Troughton (Captain)
Tim Ambrose (Wicketkeeper)
Varun Chopra
Rikki Clarke
Laurie Evans
Oliver Hannon-Dalby
Jeetan Patel
William Porterfield
Ian Westwood
Chris Woakes
Chris Wright

Interesting they've named the XI already - no Boyd Rankin.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 10:15
Does anyone listed, apart from Patel, bowl any spin?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Frome Exile (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 10:45
Sprinklers for the last week or more might suggest "no" as regards preparing a raging turner.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 11:01
I May have mislead you FE, I didn't mean on the square but I am sure the square would have some watering.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 11:02
I was going to say that unless, heaven forfend, George is carrying a knock, there is probably some purpose in adding Jack Leach to the squad.

It could just be purely for "experience," of being in the 13, I suppose, but it's not as though he's never played in the first XI before.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Railboy (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 11:22
Seems that Arul has slid a long way down the pecking order. I would have thought that if we were at least considering a second spinner he would at least come into the reckoning.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 11:32
If Leach is considered promising (and presumably he is) then he should be ahead of Arul as front-line bowling option, IMO.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Railboy (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 12:12
Depends whether we are looking at the second spinner as a "front line" bowler. With Pete currently looking very vulnerable with the bat the run scoring line up will look very thin if we go down that line.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 12:14
But his inclusion (should he be brought in extra to George) decreases our batting capability past 6 at a time when the front end is questionable - Arul does bring both.

Interesting difference in logic on the inclusion of a hardly tested bowler over that you seem to have for young batsmen.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 12:44
Not really a difference in logic. Arul is more of a batsman that bowls as far as first-class cricket is concerned. If there was a tried and tested SECOND front-line spin option then I'd probably favour that option, if we wanted to pick two spinners.

I don't know much about Leach's batting. If, for example, he were to replace Jamie Overton or Kirby then I don't know how much, really, the batting would be weakened?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Frome Exile (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 12:47
Perhaps it could (and this is meant in no way disrespectfully to Jack) simply mean that he is, at this stage of the season, unlikely to be in the final XI, at either first or second team level, and that he is the clear "13th man" in that squad.
That would maximise Second team opportunities for players we may need in the near future.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 12:52
Could be. Not playing versus Glamorgan, though that might be because he was required for the squad for this one (although I supposed could have played both).

Does anyone know if Leach played any of the earlier second XI games this season?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 12:55
Looks like he hasn't played any second XI games this season, according to Cricinfo.

Just had a very brief bowl in the "first-team" friendly defeat vs Middx, apparently.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Frome Exile (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 13:00
The reason I say this is partly because I would think/hope that if we were seriously considering a second spinner, Max would get the first opportunity.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 13:11
Ahh FE but AG doesn't rate Max so he is simply a 'reserve' I think.

Arul has the statistics over them both from the point of view of first team experience so they don't get a look in anyway irrespective of whether Arul is viewed by AG as a batsman or not.

In fact they are behind Craig K in terms of stats (TiC)



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 13:48
Quote:
Frome Exile
The reason I say this is partly because I would think/hope that if we were seriously considering a second spinner, Max would get the first opportunity.

I doubt that is the case.

As I recall it, Leach played I think two first team games last season at CC level - one vs Sussex and the other, I think, versus Lancashire?

I believe Max was available for both games, but simply overlooked?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 14:01
Although looking at it again, it looks like Leach was removed from that Sussex match .. seems to have bowled one over, then not been allowed to bat or take further part in the match (must presumably have been replaced by somebody else).

Don't remember, for the life of me, what happened there.

I do remember him playing against Lancashire. I assume we included two spinners for that one. Perhaps Max was injured, but I don't recall that?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 14:48
I would suggest that for the Sussex match Leach was the named substitute for Abdur Rehman, who arrived back in Sussex from international duty with Pakistan and then took over.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Frome Exile (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 15:23
That was my recollection too, Baggers.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 16:14
Quote:
AGod
Not really a difference in logic. Arul is more of a batsman that bowls as far as first-class cricket is concerned. If there was a tried and tested SECOND front-line spin option then I'd probably favour that option, if we wanted to pick two spinners.
I don't know much about Leach's batting. If, for example, he were to replace Jamie Overton or Kirby then I don't know how much, really, the batting would be weakened?

Well the first half is just drivel I am afraid IMHO AG because you are quite aware that Arul has been our second string spin option for a number of years (well before the arrival of George) and is a tried and very much tested bowler in that position.

As for the second paragraph, you don't know anything really about Jack as a batsman or a bowler but you are seemingly quite happy for him to replace established bowlers and/or young prospects who have shown promise on what basis?

You don't know what his batting ability is but after all that stuff about 'cover' you'll happily let HIM into the line-up leaving Arul (a batsman as you seem to have assessed him) out without a second comment

This after almost vehement reactions to any idea of a young batsmen with much more information available about them replacing or even standing in for established players.

A stance you backed up on a statistical basis for a considerable time in a most patronising manner when people questioned this inflexible way of selecting players.

If Jack was included and failed would you discuss his future in the same disparaging tones as those by which you assessed Alex Barrow's value after his first game of the season?

I have no problem with anyone assessing Jack as ready, as you inconsistently have said a couple of times "if you are good enough you are old enough". I personally think Arul is the better choice with bat and ball at this moment in time.

But I find it hilarious that you see no inconsistency or failure of logic in this alternative stance?

Ahh well. I'll let other readers come to their own conclusions about the clarity of your future assessments.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 16:27
I have to say Grockle that in an earlier post, AGod did admit to being mistaken or wrong on one occasion. I can't remember now what it was , but his perceptions are definitely not infallible. Nevertheless his postings are multitude in nature, and worth reading if you have plenty of time.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 16:35
That was a simple misreading of a sentence about Jos I think.

I read them OB and sometimes I agree with them.

Sometimes I don't and sometimes he proves his point.

Sometimes he doesn't but he always tries to justify his view as correct even when he is pretty obviously incorrect and can't maintain the supposed infallibility of his reasoning.

It's an educational exercise IMHO.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 17:43
Somerset have Jack Leach to their squad and will name their final line up at the toss this morning from the following squad of 13- Marcus Trescothick (captain), Jos Buttler, Nick Compton, George Dockrell, James Hildreth, Craig Kieswetter, Steve Kirby, Jack Leach, Craig Overton, Jamie Overton, Alviro Petersen, Alfonso Thomas and Pete Trego.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Norwich SCCC (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 17:52
I would be surprised if it wasn't an unchanged team from last time.

Jack's inclusion in the squad is interesting and an indication of how he is rated by the club hierarchy.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 18:01
if you thought the boundary was short at the old pavilion end it is even shorter now with Sky's boundary rope about a yard from the boundary boards.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 18:40
Quote:
Grockle
It's an educational exercise IMHO.

I should have put IF YOU HAVE PLENTY OF TIME in capitals! Perhaps your educational bit comes in learning SPEED READING!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 18:56
Your post of 17.14 makes little sense, Grockle.

Arul isn't really a 'proven,' second spinning option in CC cricket. He's been asked to do the role every so often.

I don't believe he sees himself as a front line bowling option.

Last year at the Oval when George was bowling really well, I thought it was about time to give Arul a bit of a bowl.

He was fielding as the off-side sweeper on the cover boundary. So I asked him directly myself 'Do you think you'll get a bowl soon?'

He said no and that 'I hope we'll finish the job well before then.'

In the event, James Hildreth promptly brought Arul on about 3 overs after I had spoken to Arul.

The reality is if you want one main spinner you pick GD. If you want a second guy who can bowl some spin and bat, you pick Arul.

IF and only IF you want TWO front-line spinners, then I don't think you pick Arul as one of them in CC cricket.

That was all I was saying.

Truth is that George D is the only proven front-line spinner that we have until Rehman gets here. Personally, I think it will be terrific to have those two in tandem.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
North Berwick John (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 19:34
For those of you who, like me, refuse to pay the Digger to watch Sky, you could try logging onto the First Row Sports website, which will let you watch Sky with a clear conscience and allow you to keep your home and feed the family.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 20:11
It seems to me that the great advantage which out selectors have over those of us who might fancy tourselves as armchair selectors is that they have had the opportunity to see the players in the nets (or, at least, can ask the opinions of those who have).

Moreover, I would not like to hazard a guess as to whether Leach is currently seen as a better candidate for the team than Suppiah or whether, instead, he is a more appropriate candidate for the role of 13th man.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 20:16
Arul has over 800 first class overs to his name and 45 first class wickets.

You said 'tried and tested' no-one said anything about 'proven'. I think that is a little more than 'occasional' seeing as we have brought in a second spinner for a number of seasons and therefore Arul hasn't been required to fill the second role for full summers in the past.

But please, as I said on the batsman issue, when you are next down have a chat with him about your view of his bowling and see if he agrees.

He has however been our go to second spinner except when Abdur and George are both present for a number of years and is considerably more 'tested' and 'proven' than Jack Leach or Max Waller.

You can argue about the rest of my post for as long as you like. I've made my case and disproved yours IMHO

I personally think your selection comments are unclear, inconsistent and biased according to your own opinions of the player's value(like many other people's - myself included). They are not as you portray and argue, the only logical, factual and irrefutable methods to make sensible choices in the real world and I thank the Lord for that. I'm fully in agreement with Mr W on this one and I don't think we are the only two.

I think the evidence is here to prove my point, you don't and others will decide for themselves or ignore this so it seems we are done just in time for Thursday.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Railboy (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 21:39
With Trego appearing to be more of a bowler who can bat these days,I would feel rather more comfortable with our batting line up if we had, on merit, Pete at 8 and Alf at 9. This would mean that one of our bowling options would have to justify the traditional all rounder slot at 7. For me it would be perm one of Craig M, Arul, Lewis G or Craig O perhaps depending on weather / pitch conditions.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
wsm fan (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 22:02
Trego is easily good enough for our number 7 spot as a batter.
He hasn't shown it yet granted but i'm sure he will given a decent run and when the sun comes out too!
As well as Pete bowled last year i'm not sure he should/could be picked as an out and out bowler.
He did an outstanding job last year but is not a strike bowler if you like.
I'd guess he is 75mph at best? IMHO he needs long bowls to pick up mass wickets, not sure he'll knock over many batting line ups in a hurry, it'll be over a long spell and more through endurance.
He has a huge role to play for us but i'm personally most happy with him at 7 with 3 specialist quicks to go with the spinner.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
nelliec (IP Logged)
24/04/2013 22:17
Really looking forward to tomorrow.Seems like we are half way through the season without seeing one ball bowled

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 05:13
I think you are quite right about Pete WSM but he has to get the bat working. He is by no means any kind of passenger but the position he inhabits requires batting as well as bowling prowess because it is supposed to be the point at which the player adds vital runs and probably marshals more from the tail.

If Jos's 94 gets his willow wheels rolling and the front end stabalises around Alviro we can give Trigger time to get his eye in but I am sure it gets to him as well and a happy focussed Trego is the one we want



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 06:05
Quote:
Wickham
It seems to me that the great advantage which out selectors have over those of us who might fancy tourselves as armchair selectors is that they have had the opportunity to see the players in the nets (or, at least, can ask the opinions of those who have).
Moreover, I would not like to hazard a guess as to whether Leach is currently seen as a better candidate for the team than Suppiah or whether, instead, he is a more appropriate candidate for the role of 13th man.

So far as I know there is no rule that says we have to pick 13 guys.

FE may be right that Leach is there simply because he's not in the second XI but I'm not sure I see any point in picking 13 guys for the sake of it, if only 12 are really being considered for selection. For an away game perhaps you pick more than 12 in case you need an emergency injury replacement if somebody is injured in the warm-up. But it would surely not be difficult to call somebody up at very short notice for a home game.


Is Leach a particularly good fielder? If so, perhaps the thought might be that Craig O will replace Jamie O and that Leach is a better fielder than Jamie, hench Leach would be 12th man. If Jamie retains his place then, presumably, they will again be content with Craig O as 12th man.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 06:34
They have been known in the past to put a young 13th member in the party to get experience of the whole first team process on match days. Get them part of the squad...makes them feel they are within the unit. It's usually an Academy member but they may be rotating it through the younger players.. who knows.

I think the probability of Leach playing in this first home game is very low and Jack is certainly not as good a fielder as Max Waller. That certainly isn't a criticism of JL's ability, more a comment on Max's. Few on our books are as good in the field as Waller



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 06:39
No one has mentioned the other possible reason for Leach being named in the squad - that for some reason the first choice SLA bowler is a doubt for the match. I hope this isn't the case, but...

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 06:51
I did briefly mention that, prefaced by 'heaven forfend.'

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 06:53
I see that Marcus has pinned the blame for the Durham defeat firmly on the first-innings bowling (in his column in the Western Daily Press).

Apparently the second innings collapse was nothing more than 'an accident waiting to happen on a pitch that had seamed around from the start.'

The key to the loss, apparently, 'not getting the ball in the right areas anything like often enough in the Durham first innings.'

I suppose, as a batsman, he would say that..but I'm not sure that I'm thrilled with the notion that, because a pitch is seaming, we should expect to collapse with the bat.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 07:03
Ours or theirs?



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 07:06
[www.bbc.co.uk]

I'm not sure if this one was posted a few weeks ago - Dave N suggesting that Craig Overton puts him in mind of a young Morne Morkel.

Dave N is presumably quite impressed with him, then, which does make me wonder if the Overtons will rotate, such that we will see Craig today.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 07:07
I meant ours, Grockle.

It sounds a little fatalistic to me.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 07:11
[www.thisissomerset.co.uk]

For anyone that has not seen it, here is the column.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 08:46
What is the weather like in Taunton please. Wet "oop north"

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 08:59
Bumble suggesting the pitch looks 'sporting' and it overcast. Now I know visiting captains have rued seeing that tinge of green in the pitch and choosing t bowl, but if its overcast may be a bowl first sort of day.

Still on my way to Taunton.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 09:04
I remember an entry in Wisden from many seasons ago in Wisden.

"For the fourth consecutive game, a visiting captain won the toss at Taunton, saw a green-tinged pitch, put Somerset into bat, watched them score more than 500 runs and then saw his team lose by an innings."

That said, I suspect that I too would bowl first on two grounds;

1) Weather forecast very, very nice for tomorrow and Sunday.

2) FEAR of the dreaded heavy roller deadening the pitch too much as the match wears on.

If I was Warwickshire I would also bowl first on the above two grounds AND on the basis that several SCCC batsmen have yet to really fire this season.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 09:15
Good toss to lose?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 09:19
Maybe. It could be very overcast later on today, post-tea etc, if forecast is to be believed - low, heavy cloud with overnight rain en route.

So...if it is a sporting pitch, one puts the opposition in and one bowls well?

One could find oneself starting one's innings just after tea under said very heavy cloud cover whereas one would rather bat under tomorrow's (forecast) bright sunshine.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 09:28
Suspicions confirmed. No Dockrell or Kirby for Somerset. Both Overtons play, as does Jack Leach.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 09:35
Hmm Kirby injured then? No Dockrell a surprise. Thought he'd be stamped on the list

So AG your suspicions were well founded despite all us doubting Thomas's.

NOT good news once more for Max I'm afraid. Still not a choice for four day cricket.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 09:36
Marcus wins... And BATS.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 09:36
Both injured,presumably?...or just DN's ruthless rotation?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 09:37
And Troughton says he wanted to lose the toss and has immediately made the point that green here can mean nothing.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 09:39
Quote:
Bagpuss
Suspicions confirmed. No Dockrell or Kirby for Somerset. Both Overtons play, as does Jack Leach.

Wonder if George was carrying a knock at Oval? Was a bit below par - perhaps injury was why?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 09:41
Bagpuss - what did you think of Leach at Liverpool last season?

His figures were not bad - about 17 overs, 2 for 37. Figures not bad compared to Kerrigan who took 3 for 40 odd.

But do you recall how Jack actually bowled?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 09:43
Looking forward to seeing Craig Overton bowl once again.

He'll add an extra good slip option if Banger wants one, too.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 09:45
And a second Warks man professes delight at losing the toss (Clarke).

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 09:50
Dockrell finger injury so not playing as a precaution. Kirby rested.

To be honest don't really recall how Leach bowled last year at Aigburth - may not have seen him as it rained lots and I also spent 2 of the days at Headingley test

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 09:52
I may be wrong, but I somehow wonder whether Kirby has been dropped rather than being injured.

If Peter Trego doesn't turn in a half - decent performance in this game, I wonder if he will be the next to be left out?

Perhaps Mr. Nosworthy is beginning to feel his feet.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 09:56
I suggested that it might make a bit of sense to rest one of the two pacemen that are 35+.

Good to hear that Steve is not injured.

And hopefully, it sounds as though George's knock to finger isn't that bad. If they're saying precaution then hopefully x-rays havd either been deemed unnecessary, or were negative.

Could be a good opportunity for young Leach in case there are pre-Rehman games where we do want two specialist spinners.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Naxxar (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 09:56
Why should somebody need resting when the season is only 2 weeks old and our last day of bowling was nearly a week ago?

Nice to see Craig selected. Should have played the first 2 matches in my opinion.

Interesting toss decision (we've won all 3 this season)...wonder if the 2011 match still haunts Marcus a bit?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 09:59
Hasn't Kirby had a couple of decent games though?

Maybe they simply think James is a weapon and Craig O is worth a punt at home.

Doesn't Kirbs seem to be more of a weapon away from Taunton and with backup available resting him would be a decent shout if that is the case.

Also with jack playing doesn't Craig also playing bolster the tail batting wise?



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 10:01
Remember, Naxxar, Steve had some sort of back issue a few weeks ago.

MCC were asked by SCCC to limit Steve's bowling in Sharjah, or Abu Dhabi or wherever it was.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 10:04
And, yeah, batting may be better with Craig O in side. I do think George D is under-rated with bat, though. No idea how Leach bats... One first-class innings... Did not score any runs, was not dismissed.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 10:16
No undue seam movement thus far, IMO.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 10:20
It looks a bit of a steady-Eddie Warks' attack.

Not a lot of pace. Certainly much less than Surrey had.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
nelliec (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 10:20
And no scoreboard?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 10:23
Which SKY is it on?



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 10:24
BBC Live event 9 on Tune-In

I would guess this will be the number for all Somerset home matches this season.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 10:25
Grockle- SS1

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 10:29
Cheers. No local ball by ball - would have been overkill I suppose but shame even so.

George Dobell covering this one as well - media overkill!! Lots of jabber about KP and Marcus playing together in the Oz game (Sm105)



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 10:31
It'll put loads on the gate.

But it might deny Dave N the chance to get a look at somebody that he wants to see more of.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 10:34
The byes/wide law should be changed to umpire's discretion.

4 ridiculous byes just assessed against Ambrose on top of Davies getting hammered with unjust byes last week.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 10:39
4 slips to Compton seems OTT to me - unnecessary over-attacking.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 10:41
Phew... I thought Banger nicked that.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 10:47
Let's hope that Hildreth scores the 36 he needs for his 10,000 later in this innings.



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 10:52
Willis spot on about third man. I've always believed that.

Marcus tends to deploy one.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 11:02
Wish the commentators would talk about something else though.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 11:07
Give them 10 minutes, SLC, and one imagines that Willis and Atherton might get on to their 'There are too many Counties,' routine...

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 11:08
Interesting bit of logic from Nick Knight: a small ground, so the ball will travel quickly.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 11:13
Yes, I think perhaps he meant reach the boundary more quickly!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 11:16
For those watching on TV.... any thoughts yet on what would be a good first innings score on this?

I think I would take 330 or so, based on what I've seen thus far, though of course one hopes for more.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 11:24
Nick Knight also does not know the meaning of the word 'renege.'

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 11:24
Quote:
Give them 10 minutes, SLC, and one imagines that Willis and Atherton might get on to their 'There are too many Counties,' routine...

I fully agree with them on that. Fold up these minnows like Lancashire.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
sheffieldsabre (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 11:35
Just staggered out of a work meeting to check the score. Looks nice and steady so far - let's hope for a massive opening partnership to get the upper hand smiling smiley

Any news on what the weather is due to be like from now until the weekend? (Sorry if someone has already discussed that somewhere)

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 11:39
Supposed to be bright and sunny Fri and Sun.

Maybe a bit showery on Sat.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 11:44
There is a local and national weather link on the right hand side of the site on every page.

It's labelled 'The Weather' and will give you an up to date summary of the weather within 2 miles of the ground



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 11:58
Not a great lbw decision, IMO.

Marcus still, I think, searching for optimum form. Some better signs from him, though.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 12:02
Awful decision vs Compton. I thoight inside edge with naked eye. There were two noises as well.

Poor from Cook.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 12:04
A worse decision for Compton. I thought it obvious he had got an inside edge on first seeing the delivery and the replay confirmed it.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 12:05
The MArcus decision showed the ball clipping the top of the leg bail. Nick's inside edge was massive.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 12:06
Some building to be done after lunch then against a side who are likely to feel that they've got out of jail just before lunch.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
sheffieldsabre (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 12:09
Quote:
Grockle
There is a local and national weather link on the right hand side of the site on every page.
It's labelled 'The Weather' and will give you an up to date summary of the weather within 2 miles of the ground

Ah, that'll be me being totally thick and not seeing what's in front of my face, as per usual (Sm56)

Clearly me being on a break has jinxed everything. If I head off to another meeting maybe we'll have another unbroken partnership while I'm away?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 12:11
Yep, sorry, you are going to have to be bored to tears in a meeting all afternoon...

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Reverse Swing (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 12:16
Disappointing end to the session. A stinker of a decision for Nick who looked set for a big one. Let's hope Alviro picks up where he left off.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
edinburghbil (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 12:54
Should we have DRS in div 1 ???

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 12:57
Poor from Hildreth.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 13:27
And equally loose from Craig K.

Starting to look in danger of a sub-par total here.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 13:44
Some balls taking off a bit.

If we can avoid the heavy roller flattening things, could be something promising for the Overtons to work with...

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 13:53
I've not been able to get down today, but reading that Nick Cook has "mucked up" doesn't surprise. The number of dodgy decisions I've seen him make, particularly against us, it is a wonder he is still considered good enough for a first class game.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 14:15
Steady on Old Boy!!! However, if his decsions have been that bad and TV shows them up then this could be his last game.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 14:51
Quote:
AGod
Poor from Hildreth.

He was out to a loose shot just after lunch at The Oval as well; it seems like a concentration issue he needs to address. The big excitement now is whether he'll reach his 10,000 before the end of May.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
25/04/2013 14:59
Is there no way we can sign Peterson for the rest of the season PLEASE !

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 15:00
As he showed against Surrey, he doesn't suffer from the nervous eighties.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 15:00
I do not think that I shall tire of watching Petersen anytime soon.

Excellent partnership here.

In the Aussie game, will our Petersen be omitted in order to get the ECB's Pietersen into the side?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 15:03
Quote:
West Country Gooner
Is there no way we can sign Peterson for the rest of the season PLEASE !

Not unless Pakistan arrange some extra Test matches!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 15:08
'Very good batting track,' according to Nick C.

He is expecting it turn 'more and more,' as the match wears on though,

He talked of aiming for '350-400.' first up on here.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 15:36
I was underwhelmed when we signed AP.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
25/04/2013 15:39
2nd half of the season could be more of a problem batting wise.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 15:45
He seems totally unflappable at any score and completely in control. He's one impressive signing. 300+ in 3 innings? OK by me. Good for MT and NC to get some as well.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 16:08
Well, SLC, the form at Essex wasn't good but as George D said the other day, Essex have built an unenviable reputation for players under-achieving.

I suspect that the relationship with Dave N may be important - must help AP to know the boss has great faith in you.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 16:13
a good day!!!! couple of blips which is always to be expected though.

I see Marcus got his in the neck. I take it he recovered and there are no after effects.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 16:16
I think he's fine, Ronnie.

No sign of an ice pack or anything.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
25/04/2013 16:39
How significant do we think it is that Jos has made runs in the last two innings batting with Alviro it must be helpful.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 16:44
Atherton just said that Ian Chappell was raving about an Overton after Under 19 World Cup. Unfortunately, Atherton was not sure which one.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 16:49
I think it was Jove who played in the Under-19 tournament.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 16:52
Petersen appears to get nervous in the 390s, to such an extent that he has scored only 394 in three innings.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 17:04
Clearly not good enough. I'll drive him back to the airport myself..

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 17:09
Just 606 runs to go then and a possible 9 innings.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Big Jim (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 17:17
Another Somerset masterclass...get those ribbons on the trophy, this baby is ours.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 17:17
Back out there now..

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
hantssabre (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 17:31
And Trigger has gone!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 17:35
Pete looks bemused by his lack of form.

I think he needs to rein it in a bit. Bat a bit of time and just get his eye in.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 17:37
He tried to do that today. Think a nice slap in a one-day game could help him.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 17:52
Well played, Jos.

Looks a decent sort of score, overall.

Suspect it might flatten out tomorrow though

Interesting that Warks' medium-fast bowlers caused some problems with short balls...the taller Craig O and taller and faster Jamie O might be particularly interested in that..

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Norwich SCCC (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 18:31
A good recovery from 4 down and well played again Alviro and Jos.

Terrible decision for Compo - he looked set for a big score.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 18:54
Good effort - as usual we won't know how good it is until the other lot have had a go!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
mikeindex (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 19:32
Whenever I see a headline 'Leach called up for Somerset' (or similar) my heart skips a beat. I expect I'll get over it eventually.

All this is harking back a few pages (just got back to my machine after a couple of days away) - but I believe Jack Leach opens the batting regularly for Taunton Deane in the WEPL.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 19:36
Day one photos.

A good day for Somerset, the weather turned cold at the end of the day.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/AlviroPetersen100runs.jpg

Alviro Petersen raising his bat to the crowd after getting his 100.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/JosButtler.jpg

Jos Buttler played one of his best county innings I have seen from him, long my it continue.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/AlviroPetersen4runs.jpg

Alviro does make batting look easy.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/CraigKieswetterctRikkiClarkebldChrisWright.jpg

Craig Kieswetter didn't settle in at all today Rikki Clarke caught him off Chris Wright when he played this shot.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/AlviroPetersen6runs.jpg

I was focusing on the crowd (by mistake) when Alviro Petersen hit this six.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/MarcusTrescothickhitbyRikkiClarke.jpg

Marcus got a nasty hit on the head off Rikki Clarke's bowling.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/MarcusTrescothickhitbyRikkiClarke2.jpg

I was a bit worried for a while but Marcus was okay after a short while, it is always good to see the bowler rush up to see if he was hurt.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/MarcusTrescothick.jpg

Marcus looked untroubled with his ankle today, lets hope that continues.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 19:55
What more can I say, Mike?

Thank you again for some great photographs.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Railboy (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 20:04
Out of interest, have twins ever opened the bowling in a first class match (or at least one in Britain)? Probably won't happen in this match but it's going to happen soon.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 20:11
Bedsers, I would assume.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 20:13
When Northamptonshire played Somerset in 1914, the Denton twins opened for Northamptonshire and the Rippon twins, A. D. E. and A. E. S., for Somerset- an occurrence unique in first-class cricket.

But that does not answer your question, Railboy, for they opened the batting.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 20:30
CP: you clearly should have been a politician (perhaps you were or even are). An answer like that would have infuriated John Humphries - and delighted the rest of the nation.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Railboy (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 21:19
Nice one CP! What are the chances! Though I guess in those days the nature of the game was very different with breeding and status perhaps being rather more important than merit.

I asked my Dad about the Bedsers today, and he didn't seem to think that it was likely as Eric was a spin bowling all rounder who often only got to bowl when Lock, Laker and brother Alec were on Test duty.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
25/04/2013 23:03
Mr P seems to be able to bat a bit doesn't he ?!

I guess congrats to the Club for signing him, as well as AP himself. Good to see that Jos is getting stuck in as well.

Grizzzly

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 01:04
Quote:
AGod
Atherton just said that Ian Chappell was raving about an Overton after Under 19 World Cup. Unfortunately, Atherton was not sure which one.

It is quite possible that Ian Chappell wasn't sure which one either!

Both twins were in the U19WC squad I cant remember which played what matches though. I could look it up but its 2am...

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 05:49
I see that the Club site report on yesterday had Jos scoring runs of a bowler called Barrington-Dalby. Didn't he used to do inter round summaries on boxing on the wireless?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 06:08
If he makes a ton in this Championship game after 90 odd in the last one that will ripple around the ECB offices as well!!

Funny old game this cricket isn't it - wondering about his 4 day position one day and then....



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 06:34
He has stepped up no doubt!! Needs that ton though so there are no mental blocks about not scoring enough!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 06:52
Sunday's forecast has gone downhill. Still, there's time for it change back again.

But you'd have to think it would take pretty much a full four days to win this one.

I'm interested to see what the Overtons can do on a track where the Warks's medium fast bowlers felled Tres once, Jos twice and dismissed Hildreth with short balls.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
nelliec (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 07:06
Yesterdays highlights available on the ECB video site



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013:04:26:07:09:57 by nelliec.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 09:30
Forget the mention of Sunday's forecast - it's been changed back to dry again, already.

I'm guessing the chopping and changing means they have no clue what will happen.

At the same time, Saturday's forecast showers also have vanished from the forecast.

Looking forward to seeing the Overtons and Leach, assuming he gets a bowl. Wasn't much there for Patel yesterday so not sure how much of Leach we'll see in the Warks' first dig.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 10:29
Well done Jos, a fine knock.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 10:30
Brilliant Buttler! No wonder Petersen realises he has to perform well in such company.

I wonder how this century compares with that superb knock against Sussex which in the context of the game was extremely important.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 10:37
Lovely drive to bring up the ton. Weather looks good on TV, better than BS2 which just had a right down pour.

Need to make sure we get that 5th batting point now.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 10:49
Well, time for Jos to hit out to get whatever we can, with Alf going.

Good to get the full 5 bonus points.

As the Sky guys have said, track seems a bit slower today. And Warks will surely put a roller on it before their innings too.

So may be a case of simply trying to exert pressure through persistent accuracy. Obviously, it's his first game of the season but on seeing him previously, I've thought that Craig Overton has serious metronome potential.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 10:53
Well Bob W loves him. Wants to see him at 3 or 4 for Somerset and then into the Test side by 2015.

I have SKY on the PS3. All is right with the world.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 10:58
Leach reminds me of Jimmy Anderson, thus far, with the bat. That's not a bad thing for a number ten.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:00
Surprised he came in before Jamie. Jos just needs to get what he can here. Anything close to 450 will be a good total. I think there is something in the wicket still - the Overtons might exploit it best.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:01
Another chop on and another bonus point for the men from Brum.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:01
and that's yer lot.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:01
Well there went that theory.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:03
Sorry, hexed Leach out.

And that's that.

We got the fifth batting point and I suppose that's the main thing. Shame Jos didn't get the chance to bat for even longer, though.

Every Somerset player not named Alf either made a ton, a 50, or a single figure score..... so a slightly strange card!?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Botham (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:03
Well done Jos, but a bit of inexperience in taking the single off the first ball of the over, as we have no more runs, but Warks got an additional bonus point.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:06
Well, LoL, I'd like a few more knocks like that from Jos before we move him up to four.

I'm not convinced that moving Hildreth to three is the right thing, though. It could, perhaps, force him to concentrate a bit more. But, on the other hand, it may do nothing of the sort, in which case we'd not be steady enough at three for my liking.

With AP going so well at number three, I think I'd just bring Arul back to open when NC goes off to England.

I'd feel happier if Marcus was back to something like top form before NC went off (I don't think Marcus is particularly close to it yet).

Of course, later in the season there will need to be another re-shuffle when AP goes home.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:07
Heavy roller on the pitch. Is that a second hand new one? Don't remember seeing that before.

Piddling it down with rain here - how surreal is that?



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:08
Mike said the new 'heavy,' one seems less big than previous incarnations?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:10
I really like that the club made Jos wait until he'd played back to back excellent first-class innings, before giving him a cap.

Obviously, they could have given Jos a cap for any number of devastating one day innings, but nice to see the emphasis still on the first-class stuff.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:10
Very well batted Jos and, of course, AP yesterday. I agree with Botham's comment: I can never see the point in an established batsman taking a gifted single off the first ball of an over when he only has tailenders for company.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:12
Disappointing end, but that's the modern way now really. Still, fantastic knock by Jos, and 400 is rarely a poor score first up.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:14
Very nice opening over, Mr Trego.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:17
Porterfield glaring at the pitch.. great catch!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:17
...and an even better start by Jove.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:17
Overton gets Porterfield



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:28
Excellent second over by Overton.

This is far better new ball bowling than Warks managed.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:30
Gushing praise from Bumble too. He could be pushing Kirby out of the way for the new ball if he does this more often.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:39
Excellent start. Would love Chopra before lunch though as he always seems to score loads at Taunton..

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:40
He's looking damn good and very 'up for it'. Anyone else think we've found one here?



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:42
Play that, Mr Troughton!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 11:52
Quote:
Grockle
He's looking damn good and very 'up for it'. Anyone else think we've found one here?

It looks that way. At least two unplayable balls to Troughton, now.

And the deck is hardly a minefield.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 12:02
That'll do!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 12:04
And BJ always doubted him.....

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 12:08
Perfectly presentable start by Leach, too. No inaccuracy.

An excellent bowling morning for Somerset.

Does anyone know if we are still under ECB directives about how much the Overtons can bowl per spell, per day etc (a directive applies to all bowlers under a certain age).

If we are no longer under those restrictions, then I'd definitely give big Jamie another blast at Troughton after lunch.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 12:10
I believe they signed full contracts when they turned 18 - meaning we can use them as we please.

I'd defo let Trego & Jamie have another 3-4 overs after lunch.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 12:22
Did Bumble just say that Overton will go straight into the Ashes?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 12:34
I agree, Grockle, about Jove. I'm glad he was given the new ball. His wicket was a bit fortuitous, but he could have had two or three more. I've seen Jove bowl three or four times: this was the most impressive spell, by far.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Reverse Swing (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 12:35
I think he said he should go on tour yes. B*gger that - don't want him carrying drinks when he should be taking wickets for us.

No balls aside, a very impressive spell this morning.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 12:41
That was a very nice mornings work. My guess was for a draw but we have bowled so well that anything is possible Wonderful lunch time piece on our Disabled Club

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 12:51
That's two balls that have nearly carried after lunch.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 12:51
If he was on tour, then presumably that would be during the winter and he wouldn't be playing for us anyway?

Why was Jove's wicket lucky - all I know was that it was a catch by Buttler?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 12:57
It wasn't so much lucky, SP, as much as one that was gained from a poor shot.

For reasons best known to himself, Porterfield poked one straight to cover. Obviously one does not expect too many new ball wickets to fall to catches at cover.

Alf very unlucky with the drop by Tres.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:02
Another outstanding spell by Jamie here. Deserves a wicket.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:03
One might call Jove's wicket a bit fortuitous, rather tha lucky.

Wait a minute, that's what I called it.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:05
Alf is getting significant movement off the pitch, just had one that ended up going to Marcus at first



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:06
Sorry, "lucky" was just my translation of "fortuitous" - I usually get away with it! When did Tres drop one, and who?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:14
Troughton. Think it was Alf's second over.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:19
Decent start from Craig.

I think we might give Leach a little spell at some point soon?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:19
Honestly did type that before the camera panned to him!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Big Jim (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:27
I want to be there, I've been watching and hadn't realised how much I miss the place.
How long will it take to walk from Swansea?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:29
The sooner you start, the sooner you'll arrive!!

The thing I like about Leach, thus far, is that he's dropped nothing short and also that he's not resorted to firing it in.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:31
Quote:
Big Jim
I want to be there, I've been watching and hadn't realised how much I miss the place.
How long will it take to walk from Swansea?

If you start walking now, you should be there for lunchtime tomorrow if you walk at a brisk pace.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Big Jim (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:33
I'm on my way....

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:35
Sorry, SP: I was doing my bit for the Nuance Preservation Society.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:38
I should like another wicket soon as we're not presently on track for full bowling bonus points.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:49
Very nice catch by Craig K!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:49
The great alfonso has answered you, Agod.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:49
Happy now? smiling smiley

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:57
Think he just got that to nip in right at the end.

Absolute peach of a ball for Ambrose after that, too good in fact.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 13:57
I've been happy with the quality of the bowling from Somerset, throughout, SP, I can assure you!

But am even happier now Troughton has gone!

Can somebody please tell Sky that Dockrell had some sort of hand injury, hence he was omitted?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:05
Alfie's on fire.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:05
Alfie!!!!!!

Top stuff.

Whoops, Ambrose nicked it.

I think Old Boy may be right, time for Cook to be demoted..

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:06
I think you can e-mail them.

If someone does PLEASE tell them that Jim Troughton's dad David played the Duke of Wellington in the Sharpe series and was a member of the RSC and his brother's name is Sam and he was in Robin Hood. He also is the cousin of Harry Melling who played Dudley Dursley in the Harry Potter films.

That may shut Bumble (or is it Blowers) up for a while.

Cook seems to be blind to inside edges in this match but at least it balances the books a bit.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:07
That's as bad as the Compton one - guess luck evens itself out

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:10
What a ball from Leach! Not out of the rough, either.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:11
Warwickshire's run rate is quite impressively different from ours.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:11
Replay showing it was clipping top of off too.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:14
Yeah, SLC, but then our bowling has been light years better than that of the Bears, IMO.

They bowled far too much loose stuff, IMO.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:22
Great catch, Craig K!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:23
Er... No it wasn't - sorry.

Nice bowling though

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:25
BJ might want to turn around, this could be over by lunchtime.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Frome Exile (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:25
Obviously another bonus of the emergence of Jove as a new-ball force, is the fact that it leaves Alf so much fresher for the overs with the older ball where his guile and experience are highly impressive.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:28
Think Leach is doing a fantastic job building pressure at t'other end.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Frome Exile (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:32
Indeed.
And piling the pressure on Max Waller,too?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:37
It's far too cold to bowl leg-spin accurately if the constant temperature related whingeing of the Sky guys is any indication.

Leg-spin involves an unnatural rotation of the shoulder and the colder it is the more reluctant the body is to co-operate with the wishes of the leg-spinner's mind in that respect.

I know from my own experience as a (in my case) poor leg-spinner.

I think Leach has been much more accurate than Max would have been.

He's also been more accurate than George D was at the Oval, although I think that track was so slow that it made all spinners look bad.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:40
Sad to say Max ought to have gone in the summer but may not have been able to find a club looking for his type of cricketer. Think the writing has been on the wall for a while now for Mr Waller.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:43
Woakes looking tad dangerous here

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:44
I'm available for cursing, all weekend long.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:44
Now that, SP, was lucky!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:44
Good work.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:46
And certainly well deserved by James.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 14:47
excellent Tumbles keep it going.

You can have that wicket defintely.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Big Jim (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:00
Right, I'mm just outside Port Talbot...it's a tad smoggy and my lungs are full of lung bursting chemicals...how are we doing?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Streeter (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:01
It is fun this 4 day stuff isn't it ? Recommend kakibara.com by the way. Looked like Grock has arrived early in Taunton .

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:04
BJ - Marcus has asked me to ask you whether or not you would like to see us batting again when you arrive? Or would you prefer us to enforce the follow-on?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Big Jim (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:07
Follow on, without doubt.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:11
Quote:
Big Jim
Right, I'mm just outside Port Talbot...it's a tad smoggy and my lungs are full of lung bursting chemicals...how are we doing?

I reckon it'd be quicker if you swam across from there..

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Streeter (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:17
Sorry. that's for watching online

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:24
That lunch to tea session was an excellent period of pressure cricket from Somerset.

Very good spell from the Fonz and Jove deserved his wicket even if a little 'fortuitous'!. Alf's wiles are too much for most Bears!

Our fielding is noticeably sharp too. I don't blame Tres from the dropped catch it was very low.

Cook is having a bit of a 'mare. With at least two very bad decision in the match.

A few more wickets soon after tea and we can a have a few overs at them in their second dig.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Monkey Butler (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:27
I'm still at work but it seems the young bowlers have made a good impression, we seem to have a much more promising set of bowlers than batters, which is a welcome change for me as bowlers are much harder to come by.

i think this helps support the argument that talented players will break through even if there is experience infront of them...the young batters haven't had to do that, I wonder if that has helped or hindered their progress?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:28
Need to prize Clarke out otherwise talk of follow on is premature.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:36
Excellent!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:36
Wow Marcus. Wow. What a throw.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:37
Nice one, Boss!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:39
Personally, I'd bat again ... Make them chase leather

Crackerjack by Leach!!!!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:43
Well deserved for Leach.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Monkey Butler (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:46
Don't get me wrong I do like Cove, but he's a bit expensive for my liking.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:47
Quote:
Monkey Butler
Don't get me wrong I do like Cove, but he's a bit expensive for my liking.

Even though he's gone at less than 1 an over this game?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:47
The relatively speedy end to Somerset's innings made me think yet again of what I regard as an anomaly in the awarding of bonus points. Somerset reached 400 (and five batting points) with only seven wickets down. Some instinct tells me that it would make more sense to allow no bowling points for any wickets taken after all the batting points have been attained.

In essence, awarding points on a ratio of 5:3 for a score of over 400 does not reflect the relative performance of the competing sides. And imagine, for example, a side reaching 500 all out within 110 overs (perfectly possible) - how would that ratio look then?

Now I'll get my coat and go to meet BJ.



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:48
He's useless winking smiley

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:48
Well done, Craig the metronome.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:49
From the sound of it, all bowlers have been impressively disciplined. Especially pleasing from the younger ones.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:51
Well now need to decide on the follow on. Tricky but looking at forecast tomorrow could be more overcast.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Monkey Butler (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:54
Still went for a run in that over though! He must be spraying them everywhere.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:54
Quote:
Monkey Butler
Don't get me wrong I do like Cove, but he's a bit expensive for my liking.

Early days in Craig's career but of all of our pacemen, only Alf has a better career economy rate.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:54
I agree with BJ: enforce the follow-on. How many runs would they have to get in their second innings to put us under any pressure - 450? - and how likely is that?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 15:59
I still think this is a pretty good track though.

But I suspect that Marcus will also agree with BJ.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Monkey Butler (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:04
I may not have been entirely serious with my cove comments, an economy rate of 0.66 is just about acceptable for me.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:10
You're easily pleased, MB.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:15
Tres running down tunnel, batting?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:15
Well, Sky will be pleased that BJ is not the Somerset captain.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:17
Where's Naxxar to proclaim an imminent 'Curse of the third innings?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013:04:26:16:18:29 by AGod.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:18
I guess adding 200 would be fine but I pray the weather stays good for next two days.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:19
are we batting again?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:19
Yep.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:19
I want to see Marcus find real form now.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:22
I would have gone for the jugular.

I see no sense in this. With the good old weather in the UK take the chance wehn you get it.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Naxxar (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:22
Curse of the 3rd innings!

Hehe smiling smiley

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:25
As I said, I'd have batted again.

But then I'm conservative in sporting matters.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:27
I have no problem with batting again as long as we get 2 more days play. The BBC forecast for Sunday is less than impressive, which is why I would have bowled again.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Naxxar (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:27
Seriously though, we should still win from here. However, I'm with the majority here..should have enforced it, had an hour at them tonight, kept our foot on the jugular. I can see the logic of not enforcing it if the lead is 151 but we have so many more runs to play with..

Now it depends on how attacking Marcus is with his declaration and if we get some weather stoppages.

Logically though, we should still be bowling again mid afternoon tomorrow and have ample time.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:32
The obvious ploy is to give Petersen the chance for a second innings in which to score the 606 he needs for his 1000.



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:35
I wonder, Tumbles, if SCCC has access to its own forecasting service - perhaps one that is more trusted than Beeb?

For what little it is worth, Met Office has been showing dry for Sunday.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Frome Exile (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:36
I assume Jove's niggle played a part in the decision to bat again. He's more likely to fire after some rest, and we're more likely to fire with a full attack.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Naxxar (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:39
Another way of looking at it is, by the half way point of the match, we could well have a lead of 280 or so runs.

I'd have settled for that at 11am yesterday morning.

Still 2 full days left. Plenty of time.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:45
That notion was denied by Andy Hurry, FE, though he may not have wanted Warks to know if Jamie does have a niggle.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:48
Tumbles - I've looked at several forecasts and you are right - Sunday (more so the afternoon) looks iffy.

Then again, we may well plan to bat only until lunch tomorrow?

In which case could still get 3 full sessions before any disruption.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:54
You're getting your (17.19) and our wish, AG.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 16:56
Indeed, with bells on!!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 17:10
Three early season dismissals to off-spin, all lbw. Not like Banger.

At least he looks back in touch vs the quicks.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 17:11
I do NOT approve of sending a night-watchman out here...

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 17:14
Am I right in thinking that 5 of the 9 county champions' wickets to fall to bowlers fell to teenagers?

If so, then I reckon that's mighty impressive. Congrats to them, and to the skipper for showing faith in them rather than calling back Alf and PT to get rid of the tail.

I was 50/50 about batting again / making them follow-on. However, have every confidence in the skipper to know better than me!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 17:16
Yes, SP, 5.

Leach really does look like he has excellent control.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 17:16
Agreed, AG. If there had to be one, why not send in Cove, who might be able to get on with things in the morning.
Leach will have to buy a round - he's got a career bet.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 17:19
Yep, Wickham - my chief issue with it was that Jack might well succeed in batting out the day (and well done to him for doing so) but we might get a bit stuck tomorrow morning with him and Compton together.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 17:37
I'm sure Jack's orders in the morning will be get on or get out.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Big Jim (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 17:39
Porthcawl...in more ways than one.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 18:08
Comments by Jos on the SCCC site are good to read. Suggests a mature approach & a desire to get to the top at all levels of the game.

Grizzzly

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 18:09
Aye, fair play, GM, they may say thst to Jack.

He does look like the WEPL opening batsman that somebody said he is...calm and with a decent defensive technique. He was unlucky to be out this morning.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 18:12
Looks like Notts and Durham will be collecting wins from this round of fixtures.

Sussex might also win, although it seems Mr Smith may have got going.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 18:24
Quote:
AGod
I do NOT approve of sending a night-watchman out here...
I don't think that Tres & co will care tuppence about getting your approval for sending in Leach IMO!
In fact as disapproval sounds rather like 'bottom smacking' I don't think they will worry about that either IMO!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
nelliec (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 18:47
Jack batted at 3 for the Deane last year, with a hundred to his name,along with many other decent scores.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 19:35
I don't think I said they'd care Old Boy.

They do not care what you think either.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 20:34
Fine AG - just felt DON'T approve sounds rather school marmish! IMO! But your choice of words is up to you. Let see how he gets on tomorrow! If he does well without holding things up will that mean you will no longer disapprove?
Happy days!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
wsm fan (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 20:34
Great days cricket, not against not enforcing the follow on, makes sense to me.
Slight risk with the weather but i'd prefer to defend 450/480 in 4.5 sessions, than chase 150 in last session of the match.
Not a fan of Leach at 3 but as long as he gets on with it in morning it's not a problem.
We just need to waste no time batting, I see no scenario where we need to worry about wickets.
We are 300 ahead, we need to aim for 150 in the first session, thus getting a lead of 450 by lunch.
If that means we are 200-8 then fine by me, i'd prefer that than 150-3.
I want to be bowling by 3pm at the very latest.
I can see Warwicks chasing no more than 3.5 per over, so if we have a lead of 500 by 3pm then they'll have 140 overs left, no chance they'd score quick enough even in the remotest chance they got anywhere near it at all.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 20:54
2nd days photos.

A good day for Somerset and very enjoyable to watch despite the very cold wind.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/AlfonsoThomasbldRikkiClarke.jpg

It didn't start very good for some of our tail end batsmen.

Alfonso Thomas bowled by Rikki Clarke.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/JackLeachbldRikkiClarke.jpg

Jack Leach also bowled by Rikki Clarke.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/JosButtler100runs.jpg

Seeing Jos Buttler get his third CC hundred made my day.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/JimTroughtonoffJamieOverton.jpg

Jim Troughton didn't seem to like facing Jamie Overton, neither would I.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/JimTroughton4runs.jpg

Jim Troughton faced 96 balls for this 26 this was one of this three fours.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/JeetanShashiPatelbldJackLeach.jpg

Will Jack Leach jump the queue ahead of Max Waller I think he might (sorry Max fans) he didn't do himself no harm by bowling Jeetan Patel.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/OliverHannon-DalbylbwJackLeach.jpg

And also getting Oliver Hannon-Dalby trapped LBW.



http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/SKYTVTeam.jpg

I wouldn't like to pay their wage bill, I know you can all name them.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
KeynshamLad (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 22:37
Great pix Mike, thanks. They reinforce memories of the day's play.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tractor (IP Logged)
26/04/2013 23:26
Hugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble & Grub?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Big Jim (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 00:16
Let it happen bass player....

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 00:52
I think Grub is the one on the far left !

Grizzzly

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 04:25
It's Grubb with two B's. Just for emphasis.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 07:12
I'd like to be in position to declare by 2pm.

LoL - I think today might be an apt day to deploy Mr Buttler as the fourth specialist batsman used in the CC, for the first time, given the match situation? And I'd say doubly so if Compton is the not out batsman.

Obviously he'd be 5 on the scorecard due to the night watchman.

Wonder if promoting Pete in the hope of hitting his way into form might also be on the cards?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 07:22
Looking forward to your declaration at 2pm, AG - can I ask what the great revelation will be?

- I vow never to have another online dispute with Grockle?
- I'm switching my allegiance to Gloucs?
- I won't presume to tell Marcus how he should bat?
- OK, I admit, Willis, Nicholas and Atherton are right, we do have too many counties, let's amalgamate Middx and Surrey.

...or all of the above?

winking smiley

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 07:53
Have certainly never 'told Marcus how to bat.'

I think, perhaps that Atherton and Willis should perhaps be amalgamated, such that their combined commentary time is halved so as to create a vacancy for a fresh face.

I favour the outright abolition of Mark Nicholas.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
rodders12 (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 09:08
Great performance yesterday and well done to all the team !

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 09:16
Here's another thought on the decicion to bat again (which I too agree with.

Had the follow on been enforced Warks would have gt that heavy roller out there to try to flatten the pitch out.

By batting again Somerset had the choice, just the light roller was used and hopefully the pitch will continue to deteriorate during Somerset's innings, to a point where even the heavy roller cant squash out all the demons.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 09:26
Great photos from both days, Mike.

That sounds an expensive firm of solicitors, Tractor.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 09:46
Bagpuss - excellent point at 10.16

Rodders - are you feeling alright, ref your post at 10.08?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 09:49
As a dog owner, Bagpuss, you might have liked some of the camera direction from Sky over the past few days.

Dogs have been quite a feature between overs.

Some lovely specimens and I particularly liked the bit yesterday where Marcus upper-cut Clarke for six and, as the ball landed, an Alaskan Malamute, I think it was loomed up behind a brick wall to see what the noise was and, perhaps, if he might be allowed off the lead to retrieve the cherry.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 09:55
I think you will find Wickham that Tractor's team turned to the law after realising there was no future in working as firefighters for a government who didn't really care.

Things are looking up. Another poster says well done and leaves me entirely out of it and I would like to endorse the sentiment. We were so obviously in control of the game yesterday.

Very impressed with the effort of James Overton, even when he was flagging towards the tea interval. Jack Leach has come on a lot over the winter. Great level of control even when Troughton was trying to get after him.

Alf on the money and Pete doing the Keith Parsons impression - looking like he can be hit but not going for runs and taking wickets. What a canny bowler he is becoming.

Game on boys. Crack on and put it away please.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 09:56
Quote:
AGod
Have certainly never 'told Marcus how to bat.'
I think, perhaps that Atherton and Willis should perhaps be amalgamated, such that their combined commentary time is halved so as to create a vacancy for a fresh face.

I favour the outright abolition of Mark Nicholas.

Hi AGod
We may not agree about much, BUT your comments about Atherton, Willis and Nicholas are spot on! Well done! I think I would probably add Alec Stewart to the list! IMO!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 10:01
Alec can be abolished too.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 10:02
Don't know if you are aware but Stewart contrived to write a season preview - I think it was on the Beeb for Div ONe, in which Somerset were NOT EVEN MENTIONED.

There was a long paragraph on each of eight other Counties.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 10:10
Are you sure it wasn't eight paragraphs on Surrey and none of the other counties were mentioned?

Maybe he's the resident supporter of the other counties and they let Bagpuss do ours.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 10:11
There was a small novel on Surrey!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 10:12
Well, that's any possible night-watchman issue swiftly resolved.

And I don't think we'll be too disappointed at how much movement Wright got on that ball.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 10:23
13 from the over... nice.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 10:57
Right, 350 lead.

It must be time to really conspicuously push on now?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 11:03
I agree with you re Willis, Athers and Nicholas, AG - thanks for appreciating my little piece of sarcasm. Did Stewart's piece end every sentence with "etc etc" as that is how he ends every spoken sentence - unimaginably annoying - wonder how he feels about Monty getting Smith out this morning? smiling smiley

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 11:07
It was a printed piece, SP, so I suspect the editor removed all of the superfluous abbreviations.....

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 11:10
Getting Smith must be a good morale booster for Monty after his travails in New Zealand.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 11:21
Well done, NC, this over - good acceleration.

I saw NC accelerate to tremendous effect at Trent Bridge last season and I hope he will manage similar here.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 11:35
No CC game for us next week.

Does anyone know if there is a second XI game?

If so, I wonder if we might play Hildreth in it and, possibly, play Pete as a batsman only ahead of the trip to Headingley?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 11:37
Is there commentary on this match? I have nothing except a time counter telling me how long I have been listening to nothing.

I have to say that up to now I have not been hugely impressed by the consistency of the signal from the Mighty BBC's internet sources. It was patchy to say the least from Durham except when on Five Live and Surrey was little better.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 11:54
No commentary for me either. Just that ticking time signal.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Railboy (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 12:12
Playing one of the Uni's at Vale AG. I imagine selection for that will all be about out of touch players getting some time in the middle and fringe players staking a claim.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 12:15
I'm not sure which is worse - the non-functioning scoreboards or the non-funtioning commentaries! Is it a nasty trick by Sky to try to make us join Murdoch's mob or is there some cheap jack contractor who doesn't know what he is doing? The rumour I heard yesterday was that one of the Area Committees donated £10K which was due to be matched by the main Club to get a proper job done on the scoreboards. Other than the total score none of the other figures on the 'refurbished' scoreboard above the 'chip shop' can be read from the area from Gimblett Hill round to the Cowshed. Or am I mistaken? Am I losing my sight in old age?? Or is it both??

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Reverse Swing (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 12:29
Well I hope we are going to see some acceleration after lunch. A steady session, and a lead of over 400. If we are going to bat on then I'd hope to see those extra 50 runs added inside 10 overs.

Not much sign of the ball gripping, or uneven bounce that Hurry mentioned yesterday.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 12:53
Well, I really do think we should be declaring within the next twenty minutes or so.

If Warks somehow manage to knock off 420+ then a) well played Warks and b) We don't deserve to win the CC if we cannot defend 420!!

However, Dave N said that we think this track is going 'to go up and down and turn more,' and I rather fear that we may "sit in," with the bat, looking for signs of that before we declare.

I certainly supported batting again but with the thought that we wouldn't be overly cautious with a declaration.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 13:04
And forecasts still suggesting possibility of bad light and/or rain tomorrow after lunch......

With a win being worth more than five times as much as a draw, I don't think we can possibly justify a delayed declaration..

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SillyMidOn (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 13:20
Can't help but think we are wasting time here.

Warwickshire have given up, their fields demonstrate that. They are not chasing 450 to win.

Getthem batting.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Reverse Swing (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 13:28
Looks like we are going for 500

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 13:38
And now more time wasted whilst they look for a ball - just throw another one on, ffs!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 13:51
Whether or not we win this match (and surely we should if the weather holds), we saw in the first three hours` play today exactly why we always finish second.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 14:04
Are the words "killer," and "instinct," moving in the direction of this conversation, CJM?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
rodders12 (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 14:09
I don't know CJ-M, after all why go gung ho when we didn't need to. More realistic to say that if we can't bowl them out in the time we have got then THAT is why we always finish second. I still fear that our pace attack is a bit sub championship winning standard if we are honest. GH was bought in to add penetration and is nowhere. If the Overtons can step up then fine but I still think that a combination of the Taunton wicket and our lack of new ball penetration will see us miss out again.
Would love to be proved wrong !!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 14:16
If we lose 30-40 overs to rain tomorrow and half the Warwickshire side is out at the time they go off, then the dalliance with the bat will look a little foolish.

It is still a good batting track. There's no way it was a 150 odd track as Warks managed in their first dig. But we bowled exceptionally well in the first dig.

We'll probably need to bowl as well again to bundle Warks out.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 14:22
To be honest Rodders, except for the odd game Gemaal has never added penetration in his two years. We had problems getting early wickets in many games at the start of his time at Taunton and then he got injured before he really put anything properly together and hasn't really come back.

Alf being here at the start of a season is a new thing and the Overtons coming on stream earlier than expected must be seen as a plus point.

You see them as sub Championship? Well they've held their own against one of the best in the country and also against the men with the money. They are also out bowling the County Champions presently so we'll have to hope that the sub CC1 outfit keep proving you a little harsh.

Leach is raw but improving and he has looked very good in this game. Dockrell is a special player and Steve Kirby is not playing in this game. If the old boys can be backed up by quality younger players to give them a little breathing room then maybe we may not have the one match winner but more than 4 bowlers to hit a side with.

Suppose we'll have to wait and see how well the real CC1 Bowling units do. As AG said somewhere earlier, we're holding our own with the ball... it's the batting we need to get right.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 14:55
Well done to Nick for his ton.

As for the declaration, well at 47-0, I suppose the jury is still out.

Time (+ our bowling) will tell.............

Come on lads, let's get them three or four down by the close.

Grizzzly

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 15:01
Grizzly i think the usual members of the jury have already made up their minds that we delayed the declaration and making the usual negative comments even though its early days

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 15:15
Day to go and it hasn't rained yet.

I've had a day off because the Oman Ministry of Education listened to the weathermen and expected a tropical storm to rip through Oman so closed all the schools.

It's been dry all day with an almost certain 95% chance of heavy rain so don't put your life on the predictions for the UK tomorrow AG

This game isn't over until there is a shake of hands or the clatter of the last Warwickshire wicket.

When that happens you can moan or not about the time of the declaration and get the hypothetical meaningless speculation tools out but until then....



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 15:15
It's not looking like there is much doing, Grizzly.

Pitch may have flattened out some more.

But I'm also not sure that we are showing the intensity in the field that we did in their first dig?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
rodders12 (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 15:25
Hey Grocks read carefully !
I did not say our attack was sub championship standard.
I said it was sub CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING standard.
As I am sure you are aware, there is a difference !

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 15:31
Bottom line, Grockle?

We did not show very much urgency with the bat and I'm not sure that that has not carried over a little bit into the performance in the field since then.

We've bowled okay. But certainly not anywhere like as well as we did in their first dig.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 15:57
Nah AG bottom line is it is not over until it is actually over :-) Dissect it then.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 15:58
Nah Rodders the extra word is immaterial. The competition through the year will decide what our bowling line up actually is on the scale and all of my post still applies with or without the 'winning' word.

Apologies though for mis-reading the post.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 16:02
I think you might be praying for the rain and bad light tomorrow AG. Nothing happening. 3 wickets all day and lbws. These 2 at present in little danger.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 16:04
Cook strikes again!

He's terrible!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 16:05
We've got Cook, Ronnie! Secret weapon!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 16:06
Another shocking Cook decision on first look but it lets us in!!



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 16:06
He's finished I think. I'm claiming that wicket by the way!!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 16:06
Yep, you can have the wicket, Ronnie.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 16:08
Why will we be praying tomorrow Ron. You surely don't expect Warks to get to 514 do you? If you do you're the only one because no-one in the media expects that.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 16:33
Have you see any of the last few hours grockle?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 16:38
Yep but in 18 years of watching at Taunton I've never seen a side chase down 514 to win a Championship game and I've seen some shockers.

You really are looking forward to this season aren't you :-)



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 16:45
I think the total for the day at the minute is something like 315 runs for 4 wickets.

That includes a night-watchman and a disaster by Cook.

There were two dismissals of batsmen that were correct... Hildreth and Petersen.

We'll see if the forecast low cloud/rain arrives.

If it's very low cloud but still light enough and dry, then that could really help our seamers tomorrow.

But I think the heavy roller has killed Andy Hurry's hopes of the track 'going up and down,' or of significant turn other than out of the bowlers' foot-marks.

The worry, watching today's play is surely that the wretched heavy roller may bring back the days of pitches getting flatter as games go on at Taunton. Not really what we want to see.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 16:46
You really don't know what I'm looking forward to so why you try and make a comment when youve basically no idea is totally beyond me. Is AG mellowing getting to you? All I will say is if it were Somerset chasing on this I wouldn't rule us out. As I speak our only danger man has got troughton....only just a good decision by cook!!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 16:47
315 odd for 5 wickets!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 16:48
My God, I thought Cook was NOT going to give that!!

So obviously out.

315 odd for 6 wickets!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 16:48
How did cook not see that? That's the easiest if the lot!!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 16:55
Quote:
Ronniesabre
You really don't know what I'm looking forward to so why you try and make a comment when youve basically no idea is totally beyond me. Is AG mellowing getting to you? All I will say is if it were Somerset chasing on this I wouldn't rule us out. As I speak our only danger man has got troughton....only just a good decision by cook!!!

And one after him

You said you were looking forward to the season earlier I believe Ron.

I'm afraid I've nothing to do with how touchy you feel either. Never mind aye hope you feel better about whatever it is soon.

We have a batting line-up that is probably the best in the CC1 and we'd be pushed. Warks effectively end at 6 - as the night watchman has just proved.

Jack Leach 3 for 22 - well done him



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 17:04
Feel better about what? What a load of drivel!! You know nothing about what I feel so why even mention it. you just can't help yourself!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 17:05
15 overs 7 maidens 3 for 25. Not a bad end session for our 19 year old. Well done sir.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 17:07
One more tonight would be nice - I guess close of play is imminent ?

Grizzzly

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 17:13
I thought you posted that you were looking forward to the season after the Surrey game but if you didn't, I'm awfully sorry for upsetting you so badly by a throw away comment. Hope you get over it really soon.

The rest I'll happily take back when the Bears hit the winning run tomorrow and your assessment of our ability to hold them is vindicated.

Until then have a happy Sunday and try to keep the pointless insults to a minimum if you can please.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 17:32
Ah so it's a throw way line now. But you've got to make them dont you the put downs to make you feel better. Just for the record I never mentioned anything about warks winning this game - you did!!! Have a good Sunday too. I hope your team wins!!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 17:40
Re: Surrey vs Somerset, The Oval

Posted by: Ronniesabre

Date: 21 April, 2013 17:31


I've certainly not given up on 2013. I'm actually looking forward as said in my last post. Warks at home should be good and we rise to the occasion!!

I was referring to the above (thought I was going mad) when I made the comment - your words I think.

Today you suggested AG would be praying for bad light and rain? For what if it wasn't to stave off a Warks win? You were obviously referring to something else though I can't work out what?

Or are you just looking for an argument Ron because it seems very much like that to me and I'm not playing these silly games with you and then getting criticised for starting them by others.

Please go and look for a fight somewhere else because this one really isn't worth your desperate efforts. But be careful when you come after me this way sir because I will bite if there is no reason for it.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 17:50
Quote:
cricketjerry-mouse
Whether or not we win this match (and surely we should if the weather holds), we saw in the first three hours` play today exactly why we always finish second.

Are you referring to the way in which the side has been captained, Jerry?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 17:57
Are you inferring that Marcus should instil a sense of urgency in players in the middle by some kind of telepathy CP?



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 17:57
I doubt the way that the team played this morning was solely down to the captain. I expect Captain, Coach, and Director of Cricket would operate as a brains trust and they presumably decided amongst themselves on an approach.

Ironically, by far the most positive batting was from Marcus himself the previous evening.

We certainly did not match that sort of positivity for most of the morning.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 18:01
Am I right in saying that when it seemed to be slowing down messages went out and told them to get on with it. The bit of commentary I did get this morning suggested someone had given Craig some kind of timetable.

Willis was on for ages about the follow on and invoking it but I think it was the Bear in him talking rather than sensible analysis.

What does it mean if we win this one? Does the captaincy assessment change? Not in CJM's opinion but....



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 18:01
[www.bbc.co.uk]

This forecast is not bad from a rain point of view but the obvious question if the forecast is right is how long will the light be playable for...

It might be that Petersen has to bowl in tandem with Jack?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 18:02
You bite? Like luis Suarez? I am not looking for any argument grockle but every post I make is met with one from your good self .....before you know it......need I say more. I recognise you were making reference to a post I made earlier so for that I did take it out of context and apologise for doing so.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 18:04
If we get to that point and we haven't got there we may as well stick the seamers on and take the draw

Again I was very impressed with the way Leach kept to his task even though he hadn't got it quite right.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
nelliec (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 18:06
Why is there always so much negativity. We're playing the champions , and have set them a target of over 500 in four and a half sessions.Wouldn't we take that in every game.
We've got three 19 year old bowlers,and two of our top 7 aren't firing with the bat at all yet.I couldn't be happier!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 18:09
Oh I bet you could Nellie!! If we won!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 18:09
Leach seems to have an excellent temperament.

As for a message going out, Grockle, a message went out at about 2.25pm or something like that to tell NC exactly when the declaration was going to be made... I assume it was based on an exact number of overs to be left...NC told the Sky guys that he had to hit a six to bring up his ton, because he knew it was the last ball before Marcus was going to declare.

To be fair, we did manage a decent overall run-rate.... but equally there were a high number of dot-balls and, at times, it looked like Craig K and NIck were having a net.

I think there was an element of management wanting us to bat time in the hope that the pitch would deteriorate markedly.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 18:12
No worries Ron. I think you are too conscious of my replies specifically sometimes.

I thought I simply asked a question. I thought that is what you did on forums.

I answer quite a lot of posts when I'm around. I certainly don't go looking for yours but you do post some stuff that offers itself up for questions.

And not like Luis Suarez. Like the moderator of this site I'm afraid. But its sorted now I think.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 18:17
Posts that cause questions are good too though sometimes. Cheers have a good day and hopefully tomorrow the weather will give us the chance to win this thing. One thing we do agree in leachy looks good. Difficult for max now I feel. He's pigeon holed as a one day player and that won't be good enough for him!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 18:22
Well it might have to be good enough for him, Ronnie, depending on whether or not any other County is prepared to sign him on the basis that he will seriously contend for a CC place?

I don't think he's managed to address Brian Rose's main point that was made a few years ago now... that of needing to turn his stock leg-break more.

As a spinner you've got three things that can be strengths - accuracy, variety and the ability to turn the ball a long way.

I think you've got to have at least two of those three things to have a shot at success.

Max's strong-point is probably variety. He does have a decent googly and can bowl a top-spinner. But that leg-break just does not turn enough and if you're not going to rip your leg-break you need accuracy a la Kumble, IMO, which he certainly does not yet have.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 18:30
He probably has two aspects and has survived because he had one more than Michael Munday had.

Neither of them consistently take enough wickets but at least when used sparingly Max doesn't go for a bucketload so a one day game offers something for him

As you say, he may not have enough to get him a berth elsewhere and therefore he stays and takes what he can.

It is a great shame



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 18:32
That's true ag and I can't think of a county who would give him that opportunity at this present time. Real shame for us as I quite like him although it's mainly one day cricket I've seen him in.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 18:33
Grockle you may be interested to know that the PA announcements in this match are being made a former colleague of yours in the commentary box , a Mr Julian Cattanach

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 18:37
I enjoyed a very nice afternoon in the sun today, when we appeared to have outplayed Warwicks at every level.

Judgement on our lads:

Trescothick Batting OK Fielding Brilliant Captaincy Perfect

Compton Batting back on song

Petersen What can one say

Hildreth The one problem - out of form or luck

Kieswetter Rightly took him time second time around and Wicketkeeping outstanding

Buttler Batting great Fielding great

Trego Batting disappointing but bowling dependable

Thomas Bowling up to his usual standard

C Overton Bowling impressive in first innings

J Overton Bowling OK but in second innings so far not making batsmen play enough, but he may be bowling to orders?

Leach Not sure that George would have done much better?

I don't understand the panic over the declaration - once the sensible not enforcing follow-on decision had been made it appeared obvious to most of the guys around me that the target was 500+ by about 3.00pm Saturday afternoon - they did it by 2.45pm. If we can't win from that position it is more likely to be because of stubborn or superb batting by the Warwick lads, and good luck to them!

By playing it the way we did Tres, Hurry and Nosworthy have ensured that almost everyone has got some decent form back.

I have no complaints. (Except possibly a certain umpire!!)

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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 19:14
Julian. Were they sharp and to the point? Well done to him if they were because he desperately wants to talk the hind legs off the proverbial.

Good choice though. He is clear and precise. Do you know if this is a permanent move Roger?



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 19:42
Not sure if he is on duty for full season, but certainly has done the first three days.

He is coming across very clear, and doing a good job.
The PA system itself seems to have been improved again this year, or maybe the winds directions are helping.

Last year of course Julian and his twin had the unenviable task of operating the temporary scoreboard brought in from Bath Rec ,when the main scoreboard failed.

He certainly enjoys being involved.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 19:45
I've been travelling most of the day so it was the odd mobile phone update and it was only towards the end at 103 for 1 that I was disappointed. I assumed a target of 500:I assumed sensible batting ( 4 an over not 20/20 stuff);the last thing wanted was a clatter of wickets and a psychological boost to Warwick. I would have happily settled for where we are now- 96 overs to take 7 wickets while defending 371. If it's light /rain affected then bad luck. An earlier declaration could have meant 50 runs less as a target and 50 more scored tonight. 371 in 96 means the batting side play for a draw. 271 in 96 means lets see if we win.
I am delighted with the performance of 10 of our players for the whole 3 days and am gutted for James.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 19:50
Yep you are right Roger Julian certainly loves his cricket.



(Sm72)

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 19:52
3rd days photos.

Getting three late wickets made it Somerset's day. Still a cold wind.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/AlviroPetersen6runs-1.jpg

Alviro Petersen hitting a six, I said jokingly he had to fail sometime in only scoring 43.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/AlviroPetersenlbwChrisWoakes.jpg

A good decision by the umpire in giving Alviro out lbw off the bowling of Chris Woakes.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/NickCompton.jpg

Nick Compton played some good attacking shots, you can't accuse him of not moving his feet.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/CraigKieswetter6runs.jpg

Not to be outdone by Alviro, Craig Kieswetter also hit a six (one of two)

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/NickCompton100runs.jpg

Nick Compton celebrating scoring 100 runs.

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We were so desperate for a wicket for a while as you can see from Craig Kieswetter when he appealed for a lbw against William Porterfield off the bowling of Jack Leach. (not given)

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/WilliamPorterfieldctJosButtlerbldJackLeach.jpg

Celebrations after Jos Buttler caught William Porterfield off Jack Leach, I hope Marcus got out of that crush okay.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/JimTroughtonlbwJackLeach.jpg

Jim Troughton head down after he was out lbw off Jack Leach.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 20:03
Quote:
Grockle
Julian. Were they sharp and to the point? Well done to him if they were because he desperately wants to talk the hind legs off the proverbial.
Good choice though. He is clear and precise. Do you know if this is a permanent move Roger?

I understand he will be doing it all the time this season.
I will go as far as to say he is the best announcer I have heard

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 20:20
Thanks for the photos and your comments earlier, ob - I was feeling positive about the day from thes scores I had on my phone as the day went on - until I read this thread!

We scored 266 at 4.4 per over, built a platform then accelerated towards the declaration, only losing 3 batsmen (plus Jack - is he the guy with the beard?), only James "failed", Nick got 100 (has he ever got there with a six before?), while three other batsmen got good runs at a good pace.

I guess their opening partnership may have been aided by the heavy roller...then our young spinner gets three wickets at very little cost.

I call that an excellent day, against the county champs, who now need 370+ at 3.8 per over (if we get a full day) - if they get there, good luck to them, but I'd rather be where we are. Go lads - I'll tuned in during the sermon in the morning!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 20:34
Batting looked easy enough before the roller, SP.

I don't think we needed a 515 run lead and, if we did, I think we could have got there more quickly than we did.

I think they deliberately did not push much in the morning not because they thought we'd lose wickets by doing so (after all we started the day at effectively about 300 for 1!) but because they were deliberately trying to bat time in the expectation that the track would deteriorate.

Those hopes have not been realised - it doesn't really look as though those 60 overs that we batted made any difference at all in terms of increased turn or the uneven bounce that Andy Hurry had forecasted. Indeed, I saw no evidence whatsoever of uneven bounce.

Hopes of victory tomorrow may rest primarily with a weather related balancing act - fairly heavy cloud cover without the light being too poor for play is probably what we want as that may then give our pace bowlers some help in terms of swing - at least with the second new ball.

In terms of conventional swing, it may be too late with this ball and, apparently, Marcus has been shining it specifially with a view to trying get reverse swing, with the track being so dry.

If we get a full day, I think we ought to still do it.

If we don't get a full day tomorrow, I think we'll look back on today as a day where we did not push home our advantage with as much zeal as we could have done.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
wsm fan (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 20:47
Given conditions, their long tail, our attack and history we are nailed on to win this without question.
Just try and turn this whole thing around, would we give ourselves a sniff tomorrow? I think not.
As soon as we get Chopra that's game over.
Even if we don't a very conservative 2 wickets in first 2 sessions would leave then xxx-7 at tea, Wright and OHD are fighting for number 11 and Patel can have a swing but last 20/30 overs?
I predict we'll be pretty much done by lunch and we'll all be home in time for the footy!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 20:58
Quote:
Grockle
Julian. Were they sharp and to the point? Well done to him if they were because he desperately wants to talk the hind legs off the proverbial.

Sharp and to the point?

I was at the ground until tea, and in between the innings Mr Cattanach said - "The match will reach a positive conclusion when either Warwickshire have scored 515 runs or when Somerset have taken 10 wickets."

There followed a volume of derisory laughter from all those around me, so I would suggest that Mr Cattanach attempts to curb his unwarranted loquaciousness on future occasions. Do members of the public really need to be made aware as to the point when one side or the other will win the game?

Having said that his diction was very clear.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 21:05
Clarence when I heard that I did say there could be somebody watching the match who haven't been to a cricket match before. smiling smiley

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Big Jim (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 21:11
Just back in after a day celebrating the life of one of Swansea's brightest stars, Badfinger's Pete Ham.
I'd like to thank most of you for the informative comments, when you're desperately trying to keep up with what's happening on the field it's always nice to get a balanced view...cheers.
As for tomorrow?
I think we'll win comfortably by mid afternoon, as stress free as a final day against the County Champions can be.
Go Somerset.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
27/04/2013 21:19
Quote:
AGod

I think they deliberately did not push much in the morning not because they thought we'd lose wickets by doing so (after all we started the day at effectively about 300 for 1!) but because they were deliberately trying to bat time in the expectation that the track would deteriorate.


You have your opinion, but I really don't think there were such Machiavellian thoughts gone in the batting. Both Compton and Kieswetter particularly were not in the greatest of form and it was an ideal opportunity to get some form into their batting. Subsequently, when one read of Root knock today, it was very opportune for Compton to make a good tun.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 00:49
Careful Grockle - Suarez got banned for 10 games for biting !

smiling bouncing smiley

Grizzzly

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 03:27
Well that might be the result of my 'bite' Grizz but it might not work quite the same way.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 07:03
Well, Old Boy, I thought Nick looked in really good touch in the first innings so it seems unlikely to me that he'd have lost touch for dig number two.

As for today, I think the aim should be to bowl as many balls as possible at guys other than Chopra.

We ought to be able to get Evans fairly quickly.

Then we'd be into their engine room of Ambrose, Woakes and Clarke.

Other than Chopra, those are their three most dangerous guys with the bat.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 08:13
I don't always thank posters for their comments on my photos, so I now doing that, I do appreciate all of your comments.

The eagle eyed amongst you will have notice I am taking them from the other side of the ground and not from the Gimblett's Hill seats, the first day the wind wasn't too bad but during the second day I moved to the other side of the ground out of the cold winds.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 08:29
Quote:
SP
There followed a volume of derisory laughter from all those around me, so I would suggest that Mr Cattanach attempts to curb his unwarranted loquaciousness on future occasions. Do members of the public really need to be made aware as to the point when one side or the other will win the game?


The members of the public should read Grockle's then, because it happens all the time on this forum, and not from Mr Cattanach.
(Sm42)



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
nelliec (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 08:42
Don't blame you moving round the ground Mike.Probably a 20 degrees difference from in front of the new pavillion and Gimblett's Hill.
Today looks like ideal bowling conditions.Very overcast with slight winds, but not ideal from a watching point of view.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 09:12
If the winds are lighter than yesterday that should help when we take the second new ball... It looked like bowlers at one end had to run into a gale yesterday..

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 09:32
Looking forward to future home games.

If we can regularly produce dry tracks like this one then I think it surely makes sense to consider picking two front-line spinners, especially given Leach's performance.

For home games we could pick Pete and Alf as two pacemen that can bat and rotate Kirby and Jamie Overton in the 3rd seamer role, then pick both George and Jack until Rehman arrives?

Such a scenario would build in good rest for each of the ageing Kirby and young Overton. And the competition between the spinners could be great as we'd probably only play one of them in most away games, what with the Oval already in the rear-view mirror, and no game at Hove this season.

It turned out that, regrettably, the reason Jack was in the squad was probably because George had a bit of a knock, rather than because there was any thought of playing both of them;

However, as things turned out...would we have been any worse off (and possibly better off) if we'd have been able to field both for this one?

Suspect Marcus might quite like to be able to bowl spin from both ends today!



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2013:04:28:09:36:03 by AGod.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 09:39
Be interesting to see how the Overtons go today...neither seemed very happy yesterday and both were some way off their first innings efforts, so would be really good to see them hit back today.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
mikeindex (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 09:44
It strikes me that a quickie who can cut his pace and bowl some medium-paced off-cutters (cf. Trueman, Lillee, Gough, Craig White) would be quite useful on a day like today.

Has Pete ever tried his hand at this? A classical outswinger's occasion seems to need very little modification for the purpose.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 09:49
I expect Pete is capable of exactly that, Mikeindex.

And I think Pete is most likely vs Chopra (lbw).

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
MullCiderman (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 09:57
Quote:
old boy!

Both Compton and Kieswetter particularly were not in the greatest of form and it was an ideal opportunity to get some form into their batting.

Maybe, but it seems silly to risk not winning a Championship match for a chance for some form when our next match is against Cardiff University. Surely that would be a better time to let Kieswetter scratch around for runs to find form.

That said, I'm reasonably happy with how we batted yesterday morning. Could have maybe been a bit more positive but you can't argue that we should still comfortably win.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 10:23
I think I'd be fetching Jack back on pretty quickly.

Nothing in this for the pacemen at all at the moment.

Leach did nearly deceive Evans with the final ball of his only over today.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 10:45
I think Leach will get Evans in due course.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 11:02
Well, I'm afraid this is soooooooo flat that a draw is looking probable even if we get a full afternoon.

And, yes, I'll admit that even if we'd declared 45 mins or so earlier than we did, as I'd have liked to, it probably would have made little difference.

Some people advanced the theory that ' moving on,' a "truculent," Groundsman had helped to end our problem of tracks getting progressively flatter. Others said the move away from the heavy roller was key. I favoured the latter explanation at the time and I suspect that, regrettably, a 2013 season with the heavy roller will prove the point with too many tracks that are too flat for the second half of games.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 11:17
Magnificent from Jack... great thinking and execution.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 11:38
Leach seems to be like George in that he seems to have a 30+ year old cricketing brain contained in the head of a very young man.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Naxxar (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 12:20
Quote:
Mike TA1
Quote:
Grockle
Julian. Were they sharp and to the point? Well done to him if they were because he desperately wants to talk the hind legs off the proverbial.
Good choice though. He is clear and precise. Do you know if this is a permanent move Roger?

I understand he will be doing it all the time this season.
I will go as far as to say he is the best announcer I have heard

I concur. Such a pleasure to hear the tannoy announcements carried out in such a professional manner, by a man who obviously knows his stuff.

Just a pity about the cricket and the negative tactics we've shown after a very good first 5 sessions.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 12:28
Jos warming up as keeper which may be very bad news in terms of a thumb injury to Craig K.

We cannot really afford to be without Craig K with the bat, given that NC will soon be returning to England.

Hope Craig k is okay.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 12:29
I gathered from the radio commentary this morning that Somerset were very chirpy in the field. Enthusiasm is fine but can, in my opinion, be overdone, serving chiefly to irritate spectators who have come to watch good, competitive cricket not childish mind games. Some of us at The Oval last week did not appreciate the Surrey fieldsmen shouting out even when the ball hit the middle of the bat; it sounds as if Somerset are behaving in exactly the same way today.

And the nonsense is that reacting noisily to every ball eventually becomes meaningless and therefore unproductive.

All of the above clearly demonstrates that I am now far too old to comprehend what modern cricket is all about...

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 12:31
Not sure about this morning, LoL, but I thought SCCC were pretty "chippy," as opposed to 'chirpy,' in the field in the final session yesterday, at least until we got that first wicket thanks to the Cook error.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 12:33
AGod: I don't know the extent of Kieswetter's injury, but it seems a bit early to panic, given that we don't have another CC match until 7th May.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 12:36
I do not know the extent, either, LoL.

One hoped that it was just painful due to getting a thwack during the cold. If it just that, I'd expect to see him back keeping this afternoon.

If we don't see him this afternoon then I'd suggest that would imply that something more significant is wrong with his thumb in which case nine days will probably not be sufficient time to recover.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 12:38
"chirpy" was, I think, the word the commentators used. Their first allegiance is clearly to Warwickshire, but I didn't feel they mentioned the matter in a spirit of complaint; my impression was that they were just telling us what was actually happening, with a little hint about the pointlessness of it all.

I don't think such behaviour bothers opposing batsmen one little bit, but I am sure it can irritate the umpires, as Panesar has learned to his cost.



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 12:40
I suspect that that type of behaviour, LoL, does the opposite of bothering batsmen that have much experience.

In my eyes, when the opponents start being overly vocal, then you know, as a batsman, that the fielding side are not happy with how things are going..

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 12:41
We'd better stop this exchange, AGod, or Grockle will accuse us of trespassing on his bickering territory.



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 13:16
Put Leach back on with the newish ball.

Cannot see what else we can do?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 13:29
And we also need to stem the flow of runs.

Looks like seamers would be unlikely to get a wicket on this if they bowled until next Sunday.

I HATE the heavy roller.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 13:35
I have just got in. Please could someone explain to the batsmen that they can't win.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 13:37
Very, very good catch from James Hildreth.

Bit of a give-away from Ambrose who will be bitterly disappointed.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 13:38
Trescothick has just done that, Wickham



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 13:40
If you want to get something done, do it yourself. Couldn't someone else have explained to Ambrose earlier that they couldn't win?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 13:42
I may be wrong about Trescothick: the radio men say it was Trescothick who took the catch but at the moment Cricinfo says it was Hildreth.



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 13:45
It was Hildreth. He slightly misjudged it, so it ended up as a very good catch taken almost flat on his back.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 13:51
Leach seems able to effortlessly switch between going round the wicket to going over .. and to instantly land the ball on the right line from either side. Very impressive.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 14:00
Jovers!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 14:01
Hildreth does well again.

Having told us that Craig K is back from his x-ray, one would have thought that Sky could send somebody to find out what the outcome was?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 14:01
What today has shown is how well we bowled in the first innings. We only need 5 good balls. (make that 4...go Jamie!!). I am glad as I posted yesterday that we didn't declare earlier. 50 runs fewer at this stage changes the equation. One of CLarke and Woakes gone and we should be OK.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 14:02
Jove suddenly up to 90 mph the ball after the Evans wicket.. so must have been bowling well within himself.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 14:02
Quote:
AGod
I think Leach will get Evans in due course.

What course would that be? It wasn't the first or the second...



LoL

Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 14:10
It was the cheese course, LoL. Shortly after the reblochon, but before the camembert.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 14:10
Terrific speed from Jamie Overton now.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SillyMidOn (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 14:17
Idle question, has Thomas not earned his county cap yet? Or is he just using the second's one out of preference? Hard to see, but looks like a black one on his head- same as Leach and the Overtons.

Kind of surprises me, especially as they gave one to Peterson on Day 1.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SillyMidOn (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 14:19
On closer look, it is just newer and darker than, say, Tres's. I think.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013:04:28:14:20:11 by SillyMidOn.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:01
Would take a huge effort to get four more in just one session, especially if the light compels us to bowl Alviro.

If the light is good enough, I'd think Tres would like to try and wind Jamie Overton up again, and have him have another blast. Clarke did NOT look secure against Jamie.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:15
Credit to Warwick for their second innings - if Woakes and Clarke are still there at the end they could be very close!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:24
Always annoys me when these spectators put their umbrellas up ... and no doubt they will moan when the umpires take the players off.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:27
One gone but the weather is gonna beat them I'm afraid



(Sm72)

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:28
Well, a strong effort in the first half of this game - particularly with the ball.

I would think Tres and Dave N will be more than a little concerned that this track has flattened out so much in the second half of this game... suggests it will be difficult to get a significant number of home wins this season if future home tracks play like this.

By the end of the match at Leeds we will have played 25% of our CC season, so I'd suggest we really do need to win the next one in Leeds if we are going to expect to mount any kind of challenge to win the CC.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:38
How many overs left chaps ?

Grizzzly

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:39
About 20, I think, and Leach has just got another!!

Maybe we can/will do it in the end!?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:40
Jacky boy!!! Well deserved five-fer



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:41
Thx AG - sounds like a nail biter.

I notice they had a short break for bad light - I guess Marcus will have to be careful re using the quickies.

Grizzzly

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:47
Must admit I didn't think Patel had nicked that - well done, Cook!!

Awful drop by Hildreth.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:49
James James James, after catching so well!!



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:49
Grizzly - an update - 15 minutes + 16 overs to go....

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:50
Who did JH drop, off whom - hard or not?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Big Jim (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:51
Get in..get out...yes.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Big Jim (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:52
Another bad decision...but we'll take it.
One more needed.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:52
Well done, Alfie.

Hildreth dropped Clarke, SP. Easy looking chance.

Probably does not matter now (and Hildreth took two very good ones earlier).

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:52
I gave that one out with the naked eye, so I cannot criticise the umpire.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:54
Well I can - it was too damn high on first look. Warwickshire have been very badly served by at least one umpire in this game.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Big Jim (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:54
Behave, AG..it was always going over...but we'll take it nonetheless.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:58
Quote:
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Well I can - it was too damn high on first look. Warwickshire have been very badly served by at least one umpire in this game.

It was Saggers that gave that one, though.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 15:59
I would think that Leach into the rough outside off should be the call to Hannon-Dalby?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:07
So by both umpires then. I thought Cook was more to blame for their position but there you go. Must be catching.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:08
Oh, Cook is more to blame, no doubt..

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:09
Hard lines, Alviro.

Tough one dropped.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:11
I suppose the drops make the bad decisions a little easier to swallow... as long as we do get this sodding wicket!!



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:16
Got to get Leach on versus Hannon-Dalby.

Unlike the seamers, Leach is likely to make the number 11 play every single ball.. he's been that accurate...

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:21
YOu have to say fair play to Hannon-Dalby, bowled like a drain but looks like he might save them with the bat...

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SillyMidOn (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:25
Oh dear, Nick Cook. Oh dear.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:26
flaming hell, Cook.

Warks will say that evens things out.

But, really, this guy is not good enough.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:27
NOW he takes it from us. I don't think I've seen a performance as bad as this for a considerable time.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:29
I would say "Jamie, number 11 is never going to nick those," except he somehow did nick one.

Still, I think aiming to bowl him has to be the game?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:36
Grizzly - only 8 overs left unless we can get more in before 6:07.

Unfortunately looks as though Warks may see it out.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:39
Quote:
AGod
But, really, this guy is not good enough.

My original thoughts near the start of the match. How bad has an umpire got to be before it is suggested that he would be better employed filling shelves at Tesco??

I can only think he knows where the bodies are buried in relation to whoever allocates umpires!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:39
Alf has done a brilliant job in preventing Clarke from getting singles off the last ball of the over .. superb.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SillyMidOn (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:41
At least he has been utterly useless against both teams.

It's those Hildreth and Petersen drops that will really haunt us.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:43
Yeah, especially the Hildreth one.

If that had been taken, as it should have been, we'd have a tail-ender at each end for their final pair.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013:04:28:16:43:57 by AGod.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:48
Last throw of the dice with Craig Overton.

Surprised Pete has not bowled for ages?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:49
Dare I ask how many overs left ?

Grizzzly

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:49
If Jove has got anything left, I'd be tempted to give him at least the final over.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:50
Grizzly - only 3 after this one.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:51
Three overs left, but they will probably get one more in before 18.07

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:51
Thanks AG.

Aaarrrrggggg,..................!

Grizzzly

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 16:59
Amazing game.

Can't compare to T20 can it? (TIC)

Very well done to Warks.

Very well done to Somerset.

ECB.. back to the drawing board with the heavy roller decision.

N G B Cook.. refresher umpiring course, please.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:00
Poop.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:10
Wonder who is going to be first? Great game, great advert for the young guys at our place. Blood on the walls from both sides and I think you are right AG. Who's brilliant idea was the roller to give results pitches... bloody idiots.

Good entertainment for the crowds but it may be another bridesmaid season if the luck is going to go this way.

No whining from me though. Two sides thoroughly examined each other and a very enjoyable game went down to the wire. This really is what it is all about isn't it? Intense sports entertainment.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:12
And, Grockle, that surely is the sort of game that should enourage Sky to cover more CC cricket?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:15
A thoroughly absorbing game. I sincerely hope that it doesn't define our season.

The dropped catches have hurt us. And maybe Tres is too conservative in his field placing to keep the pressure on.

Great credit due to to the Overtons esp. Jamie and Jack Leach. For them Ricci Clarke, Chopra and Hannon-Dalby can take credit today.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:16
I hope Pete does not have any kind of knock.

If he's fine, I think he might be surprised to have not had any kind of bowl anywhere near the end of the game?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Naxxar (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:18
And that ladies and gentlemen is why we haven't won a trophy for 8 years. After 5 sessions, we were totally in control, then we made the strange decision not to make them follow on, we took our foot off the jugular instead of killing them when they were on the floor, instead of giving them 13 awkward overs to negotiate on Friday evening, we let them re group.

By worrying about batting last, we concentrated more on the negatives than the positives.

The new DOC tweets about playing cricket in a positive way, but that was hardly very positive was it. 0 wins so far...

It's our home ground so there should be no excuses for misreading our own pitch.

Ok, so we were a bit unlucky with that last bad umpiring decision but you can't control the umpires. You can only control the controllables. To blame the umpiring is to ignore the 2 fairly easy slip chances we put down. Once again, we buckled when the winning line was in touching distance. Deja vu anybody?

Some fine individual performances..congratulations to Jack and Jove and Jos, in particular. Just a pity their efforts counted for nothing in the end because of the negative way we went about our business after tea on the 2nd day.

Sadly, all too predictable.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:20
I like that Marcus is so honest.

99% of captains would have replied "No, not at all," when Atherton said would he look back on the follow-on decision and/or the timing of the declaration.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:23
A fine game and no real complaints. I think that Ambrose and Evans will have been given get-out-jail cards by Clarke and Hannan-Dolby for two dreadful shots which put us back on top. Unfortunately it appears that it may have encouraged more balls to be bowled outside the off stump which could be left. I wonder if anybody took note of the number of balls which were left alone outside stump after Evans went? What was needed of course was everything ball having to be played.
Still thats what its all about. As they say onwards and upwards!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:23
Naxxar: Did you predict that the last two would survive for more than an hour?



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:23
Naxxar ... I would assume that Dave N probably deferred to Marcus/AH when it came to assessing the wicket and thus deciding about the follow-on... same would certainly be a reasonable thing f9or DN to do as he's probably never seen a competitive match at Taunton before.

Having said that, next time AH and Tres tell DN that the pitch will'break up and go up and down,' on the last day, DN may not believe them...

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Big Jim (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:23
Cricket, the best game in the whole wide world.
A brilliant four days, well done boys....a shame we couldn't quite win, but hey ho, that's life.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:23
And the prize goes to....in less than half an hour!! At least there is a positive sentence at the end.

(Sm160)Spot on Naxxar let's all cry about our season NOW rather than waiting to see how the next four-ish months go.

All it did for me was to make me want to come home and watch good hard fought cricket (well with one other umpire probably).

But you go girl or boy!



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:25
Quote:
old boy!
A fine game and no real complaints. I think that Ambrose and Evans will have been given get-out-jail cards by Clarke and Hannan-Dolby for two dreadful shots which put us back on top. Unfortunately it appears that it may have encouraged more balls to be bowled outside the off stump which could be left. I wonder if anybody took note of the number of balls which were left alone outside stump after Evans went? What was needed of course was everything ball having to be played.
Still thats what its all about. As they say onwards and upwards!

Old Boy - in terms of Jamie O to Hannon-Dalby I think there were about 9 balls on the stumps - 3 of which were in the final over. Jamie possibly should have bowled more straight stuff earlier at H-D, but that will come with experience, I am sure.

You warned us about Cook, Old Boy, and boy were you right..

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:27
Jove looks excellent . Is kieswttr ok? I have a bad feeling in our next game Reagan will be keeping wicket if not!!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:27
Quote:
Naxxar
And that ladies and gentlemen is why we haven't won a trophy for 8 years.
Where have you been all the match? You are entitled to your opinion like us all, and I could have won a lot of money if betting on what you would post if we didn't win!

By the way what would yhou have posted if we had won? "Just plain lucky?"

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Naxxar (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:28
I'm not crying about the rest of the season.

I'm saying we have just drawn a game we should have won.

We made the wrong decision with the follow on, then dropped two catches near the end.

We got our tactics wrong.

We will probably get better as the season goes on, and the experience our younger players picked up this week will only serve them in good stead.

But this is the Warks match thread and I'm commenting on the Warks match. It was a great game of cricket but it was one we blew.

Again.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Naxxar (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:32
Quote:
old boy!
Quote:
Naxxar
And that ladies and gentlemen is why we haven't won a trophy for 8 years.
Where have you been all the match? You are entitled to your opinion like us all, and I could have won a lot of money if betting on what you would post if we didn't win!

By the way what would yhou have posted if we had won? "Just plain lucky?"

If you care to read back through the thread, you will see I have posted regularly. I cannot post during a home game as I do not possess a mobile phone with Wifi.

No..if Somerset had won, I'd have been ecstatic. I support them. I want them to win.

If you've come away from the ground tonight thinking more about plucky failure than how we managed not to win that match, you cannot complain that we are so rarely winners.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:42
Actually, Naxxar, I think I probably belong to a majority here who do NOT complain that we are so rarely winners. Maybe you are disposed to complain; for my part I am disposed to be pleased when we play so well - and delighted that we play this great game at all.

Phrases such as "all too predictable" are so easy to utter but in reality are meaningless. I've already asked whether you predicted such a defiant last wicket stand. Did you also predict that Petersen AND Hildreth would drop catches (and was Trescothick guilty of not predicting that they would?).

The word predictable is a far from appropriate word to use in sport, particularly as far as Division One of the CC is concerned. (Presumably you also predicted that Collingwood had declared too early on Friday and that Yorkshire would win on Saturday)



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tops (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:44
Congratulations to Warwicks and especially their last pair.
A pity we did not win, but we must remember that our attack consisted of 3 very inexperienced players and two very experienced ones who are both best on greenish tracks and are nearer the end of their career than the start.
It will doubtless be said that we should have strengthened our bowling over the winter, but we must remember that if an overseas one, presuming a suitable one was available, we would have no Petersen and as to the home ones who were available, Brooks, Harris, when fit, and Plunkett have not pulled up any trees.
As to the follow on, I would have preferred us to enforce it, so that if it had come down to a chase against the clock, our strongest suit, our batting would have been on the field, but that wouldn't have guaranteed a win.
Much good in this match; on to the next with our heads held high.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:44
You're the one complaining Naxxar.

Most other people seem to have had a fairly decent four days.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:47
Oh and we are not 'rarely winners' we are rarely trophy winners and that is an entirely different thing to a Cricket supporter who comes to watch his side play more than just finals.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:48
Another reason I am NOT complaining is that for our first three CC games we have secured points as follows:
3
9
11

That looks like quite a nice trend to me.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
rodders12 (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:50
Have to say regretably I agree with Naxxar !
No problem with not enforcing the follow on although with hindsight bad decision.
Big problem with not quicker scoring in our second innings - no reason to go gung oh as I posted earlier but we really were not very positive.
Marcus is a great guy and has been a great test player - as a captain I am not so sure.
We really should have won today and we didn't - it happens but not to teams who win the title.
Never mind - onwards and upwards and I am still hopeful but not optimistic for my 58th season !

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:53
Nick Knight won the CC with Warwickshire when they simply drew.

The first rule is 'don't lose' everything after that is a bonus.

I'm in the patient 'our time will come' seats.

It seems so much more sedate that the 'our time will never come because of XYZ,ABC,DEF and so forth' seems so defeatist and miserable a stance.

It's support Jim....



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:56
Quote:
Ronniesabre
Jove looks excellent . Is kieswttr ok? I have a bad feeling in our next game Reagan will be keeping wicket if not!!!

Is Jos not available for the trip to Leeds, Ronnie?

I think he should be?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:57
But, we'd have to fetch a new batsman in for that Leeds trip if Craig K has a broken digit, and that would be a concern with Pete not yet firing (and Hildreth).

Suggest Hildreth and Pete should play as batsmen only vs Cardiff?

If Craig K not fit for Leeds then I think, perhaps, that Craig M should be the replacement? Hopefully Craig M will score well vs Cardiff.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:59
England lions play the same time we play yorks AG. I suspect he will be in that unless we can ask fog him not to be which I would doubt!! Lets hope he's not picked or ck is okay? Or both!!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
rodders12 (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 17:59
Hey Grocks I love the " our time will come " philosophy - I really do !
When you - like me and LoL - reach 70 years of age and have had over 60 years of waiting for " our time will come " you may ( just may ) be a little less optimistic and a little more likely to be critical - just a thought !

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:04
But you are still here Rodders so there must be something else going on :-)

The same old answer comes up for the Marcus doubters - pick the captain who develops this side through the next 5 years. Anyone else is just a stopgap

So who is the "Mike Burns" of 2013?



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:04
You shouldn't have to regret anything rodders. It's your opinion. It's as valid as anything else on here!!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:04
Yeah, Grockle, Warks had a couple of years when that happened - one of which was last year's absurdly rain-curtailed season.

But I think that the "norm," is that you need to win at least 8 or so of 16 CC games to win a CC.

We don't tend to get the driest weather in TA1. And if the heavy roller is going to lead to tracks getting flatter as our home games wear on...

I think the ECB should allow for mutual agreement between teams on the heavy roller on a game-by-game basis ie there should have been provision for SCCC and Warks to agree beforehand that no heavy roller would be used. Obviously, teams coming here and hoping to draw wouldn't agree but hopefully most teams would come here and be positive and thus agree that the heavy roller should not be employed.


I'm sure there are some grounds in England where the balance between bat and ball is enhanced by the heavy roller, but our ground is not one of them.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tops (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:04
I suppose there is a possibility/probability that Jos may be needed for the lions.
I agree " our time will come," especially as we have the best crop of young bowlers I can remember and bowlers win championships.They will only get better through playing.
We'll get over today.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:06
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Ronniesabre
England lions play the same time we play yorks AG. I suspect he will be in that unless we can ask fog him not to be which I would doubt!! Lets hope he's not picked or ck is okay? Or both!!!

Booger.... oh the irony of them asking us to let Jos keep in the CC and then there might be a game where he could and yet he can't becuase they won't let him...

And after that performance on the TV? Don't be surprised if Jamie Overton is playing for the Lions too.

Of course, if he isn't injured, Craig K may play for the Lions as well (!)

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Reverse Swing (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:06
16 points for a win, 3 points for a draw doesn't really support that view Grockle.

Huge chance missed this week, but lots of positives.

There is still a negative cautiousness that prevails within the squad (and principally our skipper), but I hope DN can rectify that. Sadly it probably only comes with winning those clutch games.

A terrific game of cricket, played by 2 very good sides; exactly how the LVCC should be.

We got lucky with a few decisions so can't really bleat about that last one. Catches are dropped, it's just a shame we saved all ours for the last day.

Very excited to see more of Jove. Hard to believe he and Cove are only just 19.

Great control from Leach. Shame there wasn't the grip and turn we clearly expected there to be.

The heavy roller might redress the balance between bat and ball in other parts of the country, but it might kill competitive cricket in TA1.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:09
For Yorkshire, I guess Bairstow will probably play for the Lions, but they presumably won't bother making Root do so (saving him for the full squad?)

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:11
And I'm probably luckier than you in the early days Rodders because in your 58 seasons how many years have you felt Somerset had a chance?

How many of those seasons have occurred in the last decade?

I'm more optimistic because I watch a better side than you did for a considerable part of your time and I've watched that side for a long period of time and I see no reason why that side should get worse in the forseeable future - so I sit in the 'happpy' seats.

I'm nearly 60 mate - I came late to Somerset and I'm having a very good time thanks. Maybe I'll get to where you are in a decade... and maybe my optimism will be vindicated.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:11
Leach was terrific, Reverse Swing. Cucumber. Cool as.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SillyMidOn (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:14
Intense disappointment aside, that over from Jamie Overton when Nick Cook made that howler was as good as fast bowling gets. Magnificent.

Delighted amongst the disappointment that a wider audience got to see some of the young talent we have at the club.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
KeynshamLad (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:17
No complaints from me, or pessimism. Have seen eight wonderful days cricket between Somerset and Warwickshire in the last nine months or so. Of course I wish we had won both matches and as always there are 'if only' thoughts but looking forward to the rest of the season.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Naxxar (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:21
I'm complaining because at 5pm on Friday, we had a first innings lead of 266.

Of course, we will never know what would have happened had we enforced the follow on. But this forum exists for opinions to be expressed, and mine is that it would have given us a better chance of victory.

If you trawl back to that point, you will see I posted something like 'I would have put them in again but we should still have enough time to win'.

And that was true. We should have done. But then we started dropping catches.

My summary of 'all too predictable' is not meaningless..we have choked several times when close to victory. We probably should have won at Durham. We should have won today. We let Warks off the hook last season.

Personally I do not feel we are ruthless enough.

The sad thing is that everybody, seemingly personally affronted by me expressing a different opinion to the majority tonight, seem to be able to criticise my opinion simply because it's more negative than theirs, without actually debating the points I made.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Big Jim (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:32
I thought we should have enforced the follow on, though I undersatnd the reasons for not doing so.
Could we have declared earlier?
Probably, but those who make the decisions obviously had their reasons not to, they also reckoned we'd have enough time to bowl them out, which we probably did.
However, sport is not an exact science, it never was, it never can be.
We performed brilliantly for four days, we won every session, if the last pair hadn't batted so well we'd have won the match, which simply shows the decision not to make them bat again was the right one.
Life is like that sometimes, it doesn't always work out how you'd like it to.
But rather than be critical let's applaud what has been a marvelous effort by everyone.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:35
Well you only make negative points most of the time Naxxar so you'll just have to get used to some of that.

You blame the side for nearly everything and credit it with very little. So its probable that in hard fought games where both sides got the swing in their favour at different times and the result goes thinly against your side you may find people who see your semi catastrophe in a slightly less Armageddon type way.

I personally really don't understand the number of times people need reminding that this is a supporters site. It isn't going to be perfectly logical.

Or the fact that you struggle to understand that not everyone is here for the sole furtherance of Somerset's elevation to Godhood in English domestic cricket. Some on here can appreciate a well fought and excellent game between two sides that furthers the wider aims of the game as well.

Some fail to understand you as much as you fail to understand them. Try and deal with it as best you can.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Naxxar (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:39
We wasted a chance to give a team on their knees a tricky 13 over stint on Friday night, with one of their openers on a pair.

Having lost a wicket, we then brought in a nightwatchman for goodness sake! Thus wasting time on Saturday morning.

We then allowed a player to get a ton, instead of declaring sooner.

YES YES YES we were unlucky we still didn't win..YES YES YES we were unlucky with Cook's shocking decision...

but you HAVE to give yourself as much of an opportunity as you can to win a match, and I don't feel we did because we were too negative.

What would u all have been saying had Bad Light/Rain stopped play today at 4-30pm?

We took a gamble and it didn't quite come off..and we need not have taken it in the first place

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:43
So you think the whole game swung on that.

Others don't and there's an end to it surely.

What are you trying to do? Make them accept that your reasoning is the only right way to look at it.

Most don't seem to see this game you're way. Can I suggest you try and get over it?



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Naxxar (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:49
It wasn't me that started debating my posts. I posted my opinion and you immediately felt the urge to reply, criticising not the actual content but just it's prevailing mood.

You might note that at no point on this thread have I criticised anybody else's opinions. I leave that to you and some of the others.

I only replied to Old Boy as he was personal towards me.

Yes I do think the entire game swung on not enforcing the follow on.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:50
With hindsight, BJ and Wickham may well have been right that we ought to have enforced the follow-on.

Having decided not do that, I think we then deliberately batted time in our second innings... hoping that the track would deteriorate.

I felt we could have really put the Warks attack to the sword second time around on what by then was a belter of a batting track.. and Marcus began our innings as if that was the intention.

Above all, I just hope that we're not going to find that the track gets flatter for all of the home games.

Because, let's be honest, if we had not bowled brilliantly in their first dig (and if they had not batted somewhat poorly in that first dig) then this game - thrilling climax though it had - would have been nowhere near a result by the end.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Reverse Swing (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:52
Is there any news on Kieswetter's thumb?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:57
N G B Cook.. refresher umpiring course, please


But can he first go to Spec Savers.

I thought he was shocking, and this is not the first time.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Big Jim (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 18:58
Yep, I'd have enforced the follow on, I firmly believe you have to back yourself in situations like that...though I don't see it as a mistake not to.
As I've already said, as did Esther, that's life.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:01
Quote:
Reverse Swing
Is there any news on Kieswetter's thumb?

Not yet, though the official site notes simply that 'an injury to Craig K compounded the disappointment.'

This turn of phrase worries me somewhat because if the x-ray had not shown a problem then I wouldn't think the injury would merit mention as a 'disappointment.'

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:03
I don't think I was the first or the last. You are another poster who really has to get over the fact that I post on a site I started. I comment on lots of posts. I really don't wait for yours with fingers poised over the keyboard.

Yes I commented on yours. If you look back before your post you'll see I expected one - and there you were. I think you need to read back. If you come out with these posts then people will comment. If you don't want the comments.... don't post on a forum about Somerset cricket.

I think you are the one debating your posts. People commented and you have spent that last hour justifying why you are right. I don't think many people said you were wrong. They might have questioned your quite negative approach and your view of what the objective of watching the game was but that was about it. Most of the people debating the content of your post have been ...well you.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
rodders12 (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:04
Naxxar - no complaints from me - I pretty much agree with you !
For those who criticise the likes of you and I and a few others, that is fine and the whole purpose of the forum.
Trouble is we still haven't won anything much have we.
And Grocks, I was there in the Botham / Richards / Garner days when hope was way above where it is now - we still won nothing though did we !!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Kentish Townie (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:06
This is a desperately depressing and disappointing result. How on earth were we unable to bowl out the oppoosition in more than four sessions at the end of the game (and allow them to score 450 into the bargain.)

It's the same old problems cropping up again where we had made progress in the last couple of seasons.

In the CC you have to bowl sides out twice and yet we had a pitch that didn't deteriorate and actually got better for batting. This is not how it's meant to happen. he heavy roller ruling this season is insane and could have been invented to disadvantage somerset. Peter Trego was rightly fulminating against this.

What we can change and I've been asking for this for years is result pitches. We start with a massive disadvantage in this respect. Virtually every season preview I read referred to the Taunton pitch and the difficulty of winning the CC playing there. And still we don't fix it. The rules favour teams who take wickets and win a few and lose a few not those who draw.

It's all so familiar and frustrating. I thought we'd moved on from this after the fiasco of bat friendly pitches in the naughties. A shame because we have such a talented squad. We cannot have the Taunton wicket holding them back.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Naxxar (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:07
Bristol Evening Post...

But Somerset’s decision not to enforce the follow-on on the second day – instead building a lead of 514 before declaring on day three – always seemed as if it might return to haunt them. And that proved the case.

SOMERSET’S problem in the past few seasons has been taking the final step to glory – and their inability to finish things off reared its head again as Warwickshire held on for a draw in an extraordinary game at Taunton.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:08
It's a tough one really.

If you were going to draw up a blue-print of how to win the CC, you'd sign a squad of experienced players all of whom are considered either too old or not quite good enough to ever be called up for England. Then, fitness permitting, you could pick a settled team and have every chance of winning a CC.

But that would be less exciting, for many, than having promising talents like Craig K or Jos or Jamie Overton or Leach (who can now be added to the list).

But in the era of central contracts an irony is that the more really good players you produce, the harder it might be to actually win the CC.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:10
I thought we won 5 in that era rodders? Was I dreaming? Or were you talking cc titles?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Naxxar (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:11
I don't think the heavy roller is an issue. Had we held either of those 2 dropped catches in the final session or got a better decision off Cook near the end, we'd have won.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:11
KT - the problem was fixed -- as soon as we got rid of the heavy roller just as Phil Frost said it would be.

The ECB needs to develop the intelligence to realise that blanket rules are not necessarily good for the competition. In terms of developing good young batsmen it would not be good for them to bat on the pitch that we had on day three and day four of this game. Too many bad habits would creep in. Great for developing young bowlers, but not for young batsmen.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:12
Quote:
Naxxar
I only replied to Old Boy as he was personal towards me.


Sorry Naxxar, nothing nasty personal intended I assure you. But I have noted that some people and IMO you are one of several - tend to jump on the players etc if we don't win.
I just thought it was a reasonable question - what would you have posted if we had won?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:13
Naxxar - the way I see it you can cancel out the two dropped catches/bad decision by Cook with other bad umpiring decisions that unjustly sent Warks' batsmen on their way.

If we'd held all our (easy) catches and the umpiring had been correct, it would still have been touch and go whether or not we would have won, despite having 140+ overs to bowl.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Naxxar (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:16
Quote:
old boy!
Quote:
Naxxar
I only replied to Old Boy as he was personal towards me.


Sorry Naxxar, nothing nasty personal intended I assure you. But I have noted that some people and IMO you are one of several - tend to jump on the players etc if we don't win.
I just thought it was a reasonable question - what would you have posted if we had won?


No need to apologise.

I rarely posted last season. But I did make a special point of coming on after the nailbiting victory against Warks to praise the team to the hilt.

I try to see each session as it is. If we do well, I post accordingly.

Even on my first post tonight, I did say there were several encouraging performances.

But I stick by my belief that our negativity, and bottling near the finish line, cost us this match.

If I didn't care so much or want us to win, I'd not be so upset.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Reverse Swing (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:23
Taunton will certainly provide good practice in discipline for our young bowlers. Jove appeared to learn quickly.

He will need that discipline if one day he is to make the step up to international bowling.

That was a great Test Match wicket this week. Trouble is we only get 4 days not 5 to get a result.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:28
I think that's exactly right, RS.

A terrific Test wicket.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:30
Well done Naxxar go that man/woman. Hope you feel better now.

Rodders yeah - Botham Richards - lots of people did but it didn't build into anything did it.

I've seen a side build over more than a decade and it still is building. I think I'm luckier and maybe I've not been bitterly disapointed so I'm open to seeing success for what it is (little by little but on an upward trend)..

I've seen Trescothick, Langer, Ponting, Jayasuraya, Mushtaq, Johnson, Caddick, Blackwell, Buttler, Kieswetter, White, Pollard, Lee, Rose, Smith, Rehmman, Compton and now Petersen

Not so concentrated but little baby steps. Oh and 2 seconds in the CC (one in the whole thing and last year), been to a number of finals and all in just under 20 years.

I didn't see the Holy Trinity but the last twenty years have seen this side build into one that can and has beaten anyone who stands against it. Yeah they can improve and yeah it would be nice to win something. But I come down here to watch the best English cricket can offer and some of the best international talents as well and I never know if we'll win or lose but I know we'll probably be in a fight more often than we are totally outplayed.

As I said I bet my time watching has seen Somerset more competitive for a larger proportion of the time than you have. But in both our cases the last decade has probably been Somerset's most consistently competitive in their history in all forms.

You may disagree because after all you did see Botham and Richards (and please don't forget Garner) and that must keep your memories alive. Not sure that isn't a problem for some.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Naxxar (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:37
Thanks Grockle! Now I've received praise from you, I feel I can sign off happy.

Good Evening one and all smiling smiley

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:39
Well take it as praise if you want mate/darling. Whatever gets you through the night. (Sm160)

Glad I've helped you put away your demons. On to the next game aye?



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:42
Yep, Grockle, I think you are probably right about this being the most competitive spell for Somerset in terms of consistently being there or thereabouts.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Kentish Townie (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 19:56
Indeed so, RS. We most certainly do NOT want test friendly pitches at Taunton.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
wsm fan (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 20:03
What a fantastic 4 days cricket.
2 good teams, great pitch, best ground in the country.
Gutted we couldn't force a win.
We had 3 bowlers whose combined ages were 59.
Tresco made right call in my opinion to bat again, and declaration proved about right in 515 off 143.
Jamie Overton really is one for the now let alone next 10 years.
Leach was excellent, great control for one so young.
Fairplay to Warwickshire, to bat for 144 overs, they deserve credit.
1 rubbish umpiring decision and 2 slip catches down proved crucial in the last 80 mins.
If that is the standard of four day cricket we are to see for rest of the season at Taunton roll on May 15th,

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 20:06
4th and final day photos

Credit must go to Warwickshire for batting out the day for a draw.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/OliverHannon-DalbyoffJackLeach.jpg

Oliver Hannon-Dalby played a vital role in staying with Rikki Clarke at the end, here he is facing Jack Leach

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/RikkiClarkegettingthebatoutoftheway.jpg

Rikki Clarke making sure his bat was well out of the way of the ball.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/ChrisWrightlbwAlfonsoThomas.jpg

Alfonso Thomas getting a hug from Jack Leach after trapping Chris Wright lbw.

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Chris Woakes watching how close the ball went to the stumps after not playing the ball.


http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/ChrisWoakesbldJamieOverton.jpg

Jamie Overton celebrating after bowling Chris Woakes.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/TimAmbrosemakingtheclosefielderjump.jpg

Tim Ambrose making the close fielder jump.


http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/TimAmbrosectJamesHildrethbldJamieOverton.jpg

James Hildreth all smiles after catching Tim Ambrose off the bowling of Jamie Overton.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2013%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/County%20Championship%20Matches%202013/Somerset%20v%20Warwickshire%20starting%2025th%20April/VarunChoprabldJackLeach.jpg

Varun Chopra well bowled by Jack Leach.

Disappointing not to win but it was still a good match to watch.

Edit- spelling



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 20:09
Thanks Mike, terrific photos.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 20:11
There was more than one bad one WSM. Mr Cook had an absolute shocker



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 20:18
"The standard of umpiring was so low as to jeopardise the meaningfulness of the encounter."

"There were so many bad decisions that there was a chaotic air of random chance about proceedings."

"By the time that Cook asked the TV umpire to look at two decisions, it seemed that even he had lost confidence in his ability to make decisions."

The above from George Dobell's report on the game.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Wickham (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 20:22
If we had enforced the follow-on and it had taken us until lunch-time today to bowl them out, I think we would have been strong favourites to win. However, that's speculation on my part.
Leach was very tidy. But I think we may look back at this as the match when Jove came of age.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 20:34
The thing with Leach is that his accuracy was relentless.

If that's a standard thing with him then one wonders how dangerous he will be as and when we get him on turning tracks?

Indeed, with AP batting so well and Leach looking so good and George being such a talent, it's possible that when the time comes for AP to come home and AR to arrive, we end up wishing that we had not scheduled such a swap.

Then again, I'm sure both George and Jack can potentially learn a lot from Abdur.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tops (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 20:52
I agree with what you said Wickham about follow-on and Jove's ability. I do hope that he is not picked for the Lions, he is only just 19 and needs 2 years developing in County cricket. I also felt that Jack L was very controlled, but as George Dobell said he is not yet a big spinner of the ball, George Dockrell managed twice last year v Durham and Middx to spin us to victory. But in time I think both could play together.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Kentish Townie (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 21:05
Wsm if you think thus was 'a great pitch, best ground in the country', you are indeed deluded.

The Taunton wicket has been a barrier to our progress for many years.

How many times has a team bowled 144 overs in the final innings of a CC game- and not won? Very few I would think.

The whole basis of the game is that pitches deteriorate.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Reverse Swing (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 21:09
AGod, I'm under the impression Leach certainly learned a lot from him last summer.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
wsm fan (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 21:11
I'm not getting into this with you.
A 4 day game is surely intended to end with a positive result at 6pm on the final day.
This game was as close to that as possible without it quite happening.
Granted in the old days of frosty our pitch was over weighted in favour of batsmen (however Caddick and Mushy always seemed to do fine on it)
These days it is perfectly fair and in my opinion a perfect track for 4 day cricket.
I would suggest a 4 day game should produce 400 runs per day and 10 wickets per day.
This game produced around 1250 runs, 34 wickets, and a 6.07pm finish on the last day.
If anyone would prefer 200 a side matches on ropey tracks that end in 2.5 days then I hear Durham is the place to go! or several other counties.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SillyMidOn (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 21:46
Agree with the defense of the pitch.

Nice green tinge to start, with some seam movement to on the first day, settling down into a good batting track but with some pace and carry. That's what you want.

In a perfect world, you'd have it spin a bit more on day 4, but I hardly think it a fault of the groundstaff that a pitch in April doesn't turn much/

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Scrumper (IP Logged)
28/04/2013 22:44
Why bring back the heavy roller?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 00:25
I saw Craig K when he returned to the ground after his xray (or whatever diagnostic imaging test he had). He said he had to wait for results.

This does not surprise me. Any A&E intern can spot a masive displaced fracture; more subtle undislaced or hairline defects take an expert eye. I doubt if there was a consultant radiologist on dite on a unday afternoon.

In fact in some cases a small fracture will not show up on xray until a few days after the injury has taken place.

Fingers crossed then.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Big Jim (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 01:31
Maybe you'd like to apologise to Phil Frost now, KT.
You see Phil was was simply preparing the wicket to the best of his ability as per the guidelines set by the ECB.
He, along with a few from this site, had argued that it wasn't the preperation of the wicket that was to blame for the glut of runs, but the use of the heavy roller once the game got under way.
Can you now see what he, what we meant?
The decision to allow the use of the heavy gear is a disaster, it's almost as if the powers that be want the four day game to lose its appeal to those turned on by the slogfest that is T20.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 02:38
Terrific team & individual performances in this game, from which we rightly can "take the positives" as Marcus puts it.

From my distant viewpoint however, it is disconcerting that we still struggle to put matches to bed,long after we get into clear winning positions.

I too would like to see a more ruthless approach,and wonder whether the decision not to enforce the follow on sent the wrong message. At that time, we clearly had massive momentum in our favour, which we then lost somewhat.

Our strategy sometimes appears a little too defensive. As perhaps in this 2010 game :

[www.cricketarchive.com]

146 ahead with 7 wickets left, going into the last day.

Instead of pressing on & declaring in the hope/belief that we could bowl Kent out, we elected to bat all day & take the draw.

For some reason, I remember seeing Glamorgan win the County Championship at Taunton some years back:

www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/64/64620.html

My feelings that day were mixed. Admiration for Glamorgan whose body language & passion burst through every vein throughout the day, mixed with a tad of jealousy that it wasn't us.

I am in no postion to make any definitive statements, but I still wonder whether we have the absolute passion and hunger to win when it matters ?

Or perhaps I just had a bad weekend.

Grizzzly



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 05:19
If you are right grizzly then surely that s what nosworthy has been brought in to look at and change? He hasn't had time to do much as yet but in time hopefully.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 05:29
To be honest, the fact that we ultimately did not get rid of Warks in 140+ overs probably means that future declarations at Taunton this season - both from our opponents and ourselves are likely to be pretty conservative.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 05:54
I still can't help thinking that this game would have been a result game had the ECB stayed with their policy of last year and NOT taken the retrograde step of re-introducing the roller regulations.

But it was a close run thing and the bowlers did very well to get as close as they did on the carpet that the strip became. They also did themselves an awful lot of good in terms of doing it in front of the media as well.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 06:14
Yep.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 06:41
Quote:
AGod
"By the time that Cook asked the TV umpire to look at two decisions, it seemed that even he had lost confidence in his ability to make decisions."

The above from George Dobell's report on the game.

As you said before, I did warn about Mr Cook's umpiring abilities at the start of the game! I wonder whether he may have had a bad experience when he was bowling for Northants here a few years ago, and it is affecting his judgement on this ground. I wonder whether there have been any "bad days at the office" for him at other grounds?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 07:21
They should have done just that; two catches were shelled off Clarke, who ended on 61, and umpire Nick Cook surprisingly failed to raise the finger when Hannon-Dalby clearly edged the outstanding Jamie Overton behind. [www.ecb.co.uk]

Bad umpiring cost us the match also our fielding later in the match didn't help.
Question should be asked who is not taking catches and why, if it is the same fielder most of the time should that fielder field in a different position.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 08:17
Nick Cook had a bad match to say the least.
Did he not have health issues back in 2010?.

Not sure any of the fielders are out of position, James held three catches, and dropped one, Tres will continue to field second slip, and Craig put down one, this in what could be described a very cold conditions,as those spectators on the ground will appreciate or not as the case was.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Railboy (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 08:21
We bit harsh Mike, Hildy has taken several quality catches at first slip this season and as far as I am aware this was his first shelling. Pieterson is regarded as a specialist gulley. There was much about our performance and in particular tactics that deserve review but selection of fielders in positions is not one of them.

Does anyone actually weigh the rollers? is there an ECB definition of what constitutes a "Heavy Roller"? Would anyone notice if we replaced the drums with alluminium!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 08:36
I am not picking on any one player, I couldn't remember who had missed all the catches chances during the match. My point was if it is one player that keep missing chances then that player should be moved to a different position.

But from what you said it wasn't mainly one player that missed catching chances, players who once were good fielders are not always so good when then get older their reaction time slows down.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 08:50
IMO we had 21 overs to bowl at the last man and I think we simply did not bowl enough that forced him to play.

When Clarke first got in he simply couldn't deal with Jove either.. I really think he should have been given one last over in that spell as he may have prized him out.

I enjoyed the last two days, as frustrating as the last hour and a half was.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 08:59
That's spot on really, Tumbles.

Not enough balls on the stumps.

It was a miracle, really, that Hannon-Dalby nicked that fast reverse swinging outswinger from Jamie Overton. I reckon he'd nick that only once in 1,000 goes. Plenty of specialist batsmen would probably have missed it! If I'm right about that, it goes without saying that it was highly improbable that he'd nick any more of them.

In the final over, Jamie held it cross seam, apparently, to stop it swinging and produced three or four balls on the stumps.

I don't know if somebody had a word, or if he decided to do that off his own bat. If the former, then somebody should have a word a few overs earlier, IMO.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 09:33
Agreed with the last over AGod, I think it tested Wright more than any other over in his innings.

I'm sure Jamie will have learned a lot from this game - he's also showcased his talents to a TV audience and gained huge praise. We can take the positives along with the negatives - Jos, Jack & Jamie certainly had good games. Can we field a team exclusively of J's?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 09:51
I think Jamie is very likely to be called up for the next Lions' game. It clashes with our trip to Yorkshire.

To be honest, if it's a "traditional," Headingley track then Steve Kirby's knowledge of local conditions may be preferable for that match anyway.

Of more concern, may be the batting.

We really could do with Hildreth and Trego finding real form before that trip, given that we are likely to be without Jos and may well be without Craig K (whether due to selection for Lions or a digit injury).

Arul will, presumably, come back in although not sure where - presumably might slot in at five in between Hildreth and Trego? So we don't really want a guy coming back into the team after a couple of games out being sandwiched by two out of form guys.

Regan would presumably keep wicket and I'd assume we'd possibly look at bringing in somebody like Craig Meschede at number seven.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
mikeindex (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 10:03
@Tumbles - As and Js we can do!

As for yesterday's result, the umpiring didn't help (though there were shockers both ways, so who knows what difference that ultimately made), the dropped catches certainly didn't help, bowling straighter more often at the last man would have helped, but I tend to think that more positive strategy would have overridden all of those.

I would have enforced the follow-on, largely on the grounds of the uncertain weather forecast; assuming a full day's play on Sunday, which, as it happened, we very nearly got, I can see the sense of batting again. I think the real strategical blunder was delaying the declaration (and this is not hindsight, as anyone in my vicinity around 2.15 on Saturday can confirm!)

I didn't expect it, at the time, to be as crucial as it turned out (let alone at 4.50 yesterday - who could ever have expected a No.11 like H-D to hold out that long?) - I so wish it hadn't been.

(I quite fancied giving Alviro an over or two at H-D - wonder how that would have turned out).

At a tangent, I can hardly believe that this one fourth-day outcome is being made an excuse for the 'Taunton is killing cricket' argument to be dragged out again, after three years of sporting wickets and silence on the issue, as if nothing had changed!

Edited for typos.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 10:18
Also anyone know why the club have backtracked on the lunchtime pitch access - disappointing after they took it on board at last years AGM.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
WimborneJohn (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 10:34
I only was able to get to the first day on Thursday, but some very good batting particularly as Warks bowling seemed to improve as the day went on. I don't subscribe to any of the Murdoch empires, and as the radio commentary packed up too, I've had to rely on 'Grockles' to keep in touch. As always some excellent posts and superb pics - thanks Mike.

Interested to read all the 'Heavy Roller' comments, and I have long agreed with others on here that its reintroduction is a massive backward step and just plain bonkers for the 4 day game. Over recent years we have seen great improvements in the grass cultivars being used for Cricket Squares with the result that they bind the surface much better and it won't break up. Pitches now should last for the majority of the 4 days giving good batting conditions early in the game and something for the bowlers as it wears later in the game. The effect now of the extra use of the heavy roller will IMO just compact and deaden the playing surface - not needed.

Also good to read the comments about Jove's bowling in the game. I first saw him bowl for the Under 19's in the game at Taunton vs South Africa in 2011. He looked potentially special then, and with Craig's successes on the Lions tour in the winter, they could well one day be a first - the first twins ever to play in the same England team. The Bedsers never did, so hope they do.

Even a comment in the 'i' this morning about Nick Cook's umpiring yesterday, and this from a paper that barely seems at times to recognise that cricket exists.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 10:51
Tumbles, the announcer said work had been done on the outfield that was why nobody was allowed on the outfield.

why that work was done so close to the first match being played on the ground I do not know.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 11:07
To be fair the commentators on SKY were less critical than some on here regarding the catches. Hilda's was regulation but he had dimissed others in the game with semi miraculous ones so he can be allowed the odd lapse. I don't know about all the others but Alviro's was like a rocket and he did very well to get himself anywhere near catching it. I think we were mostly agreed that all the fielding glitches and umpiring gaffs pretty much rubbed each other out.

I did feel sorry for Cook in the end, his confidence was obviously shot and I did myself wonder whether he was fully fit because he looked very tired and by no means sure of anything by the end. If you could sub an umpire easily he would have been subbed.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 11:08
This will be something, for the end of the season, but I wonder if SCCC will make representations to the ECB in respect of the heavy roller?

No doubt the ECB would say that they cannot make policy specifically with Somerset in mind.

But, perhaps, they could be persuaded to introduce some flexibility in respect of the heavy roller?

For example, perhaps the heavy roller could only be made compulsorily available for those grounds where the pitches averaged below a certain minimum score on the ECB (umpires') marking schemes over the 3 year period during which the heavy roller was banned?

In other words, counties whose pitches were sub-standard when the heavy roller was banned would be obliged to make it available to the visiting team.

Those where the pitches were rated highly when the roller was banned (which I'm sure would include SCCC) are not obliged to use a heavy roller?

Would that seem reasonable?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Monkey Butler (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 11:30
I didn't post yesterday as I thought it would be best left until the dissapointment faded a little.

Tresco's follow on no descision was always going to be a talking point (either way), if were playing more hardened seamers he may well have enforced it. But if was to protect Jove and Cove, then I will happily accept it.

The umpiring was terrible, we had actually done enough to win it, Warks were hard done by as well and we had our own chances to win the game.

I was always more confident of our young bowling prospects than our batters. On a spinning track in 5 years time you wouldn't mind this as tail end;

Meschede
C Overton
J Overton
Dockrell
Leach

hopefully Gregory figures out what he is as well.

On another positive note, I think this could be classified as a good start for us!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 12:18
The talk a few years ago from Brian and Marcus was the Gregory would be a "top quality," number four or number five batsmen.

What he's shown thus far, but only before his back injury, has instead been top quality pace bowling in limited overs games.

I hope he can get that top quality one-day bowling back because that looks like his strong suit to me.

But if he can't get back to 100% in terms of his back and bowling, then perhaps he should concentrate solely on trying to become the batsman that Marcus and Brian seemed to think he would become?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Frome Exile (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 12:34
Disappointing not to win: but there was a worthy opponent out there giving everything for the cause too, let's not forget.
And for what it's worth, whilst I think discussion of the follow-on is fair (and I would probably enforced it, myself), suggestions that the declaration came later than it should have are not. Whilst I would have declared earlier, subsequent events indicate that that decision would very probably gave cost us the draw, let alone the win.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 12:34
The ECB havve said they are going to make no comment about the umpiring issues at Taunton in recent days.

Except in their report on the final day where they obviouly have...

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 12:41
In theory, the ECB were probably delighted at Sky agreeing to cover a full CC match..... but in exposing Mr Cook's errors to a television audience it may have given the ECB a problem.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Monkey Butler (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 13:16
We could see why Warks are champions, that is the mentality we have to try and emulate. I can't think of many teams who would have kept going like that.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Tumbles (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 13:27
Quote:
Mike TA1
Tumbles, the announcer said work had been done on the outfield that was why nobody was allowed on the outfield.
why that work was done so close to the first match being played on the ground I do not know.

Thanks Mike, I thought the outfield looked far better than previous 2 seasons.. much thicker coverage.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Palairet (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 13:30
Dougie Brown hailed Warwickshire's "incredible strength of character" as their tenth-wicket pair survived for 21.1 overs to deny Somerset victory at Taunton.

“They showed exactly what Warwickshire is about," Brown, Warwickshire's director of cricket, told ESPNcricinfo afterwards. "They showed that we play as a team and for the team and we never accept defeat. We have something at Edgbaston that you just can't buy: it's called team spirit and we leave here taking great encouragement from this performance."

Marcus Trescothick for Somerset said “we take positives from the game.”

In my opinion, there is a lot of difference between the two statements.

Much has been made of the refusal to enforce the follow – on; the timing of Somerset’s declaration; poor umpiring decisions; the return of the heavy roller; dropped catches; not bowling enough at the stumps to the tail – enders; the return of the ‘Motorway, pitches at the County Ground, lack of ruthlessness etc., etc.

I was in attendance on Friday and Saturday – but not yesterday.

Did I see the team spirit that Dougie Brown enthused about in his side evident within the Somerset team?

IMO, sadly, No!

Perhaps others did, and I am wrong, but this malaise would appear to have been hanging over the side for some years. If so, why?

We are not County Championship winning material on the basis of both the Durham and Warwickshire games this season. Practically 20% of the CC season has already come and gone!

Mr Nosworthy has much to do.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 13:41
Yes, Monkey Butler, Warks consistently over-achieve and have done for the past couple of years.

In 2010, I think it was, their batting was absolutely shocking but they've really knuckled down and they tend to fight hard nowadays.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 13:47
Palairet - I thought the team spirit looked absolutely fine at the Oval.

I’m also unsure what else one could have expected Marcus to say?

It didn’t matter what he said, IMO.

A picture speaks a thousand words and all that.... and our slip cordon rooted to the spot and staring at the ground at the end told folks all they needed to know about how we really felt about the outcome of that game, IMO.

Warks’ players said it felt like a win and there’s little doubt that it will have felt like a defeat to our guys.

A big job, I think , for Dave Nosworthy to pick everyone up and get them going again in time for Leeds.

As for Marcus? I’m sure he’s incredibly determined to lead the County to success but one does wonder whether he might, at some point, reach the same conclusion that Brian Rose reached....... that a different “messenger,” is needed to get this group over the line?

If we don’t win something this season, I would not be shocked if Marcus reached the same conclusion as Brian, although one would obviously hope that Banger would remain in the ranks.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Kentish Townie (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 14:31
Mike, the point that the Taunton pitch is a limit on our progress is unfortunately a live one.

It was a huge problem five years ago. When the club took concerted action to producing sorting pitches, guess what? We started challenging for the title.

The crazy heavy roller ruling has helped make this an issue again. The reality is the CC rewards teams who can take 20 wickets consistently and who have a home ground that is conducive to producing results.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 15:06
I've waited (almost) 24 hrs before posting to let it all settle. Most on here have said what I felt: extremely frustrating and disapponting not to win, I don't think not inviting them to bat again was either right or wrong but I do think it was defensible and a reasonable choice, and that we should still have bowled them out in 140 overs, including 20 at the last pair. We didn't manage it, all credit to Rikki Clarke and the others for holding out.

At the end of the Surrey game, I posted that, given the form of our batters in particular, I'd be happy for a high-scoring draw with the county champions with runs for more of our top six and some wickets for the young bowlers. Well, we got all of that, so I can't complain. Frustrating in the end not to win, but hey ho...

On " a draw that feels like a loss" - in football that does apply (eg as a Liverpool fan I was delighted with Suarez's 97th minute equaliser v Chelsea last week in mirror image to how Chelsea fans would have felt - and each team ended with 1 point)...but it wasn't quite the same at Taunton yesterday. Somerset still get points-based recognition for being on top during the game as we got 11 points to Warks' 6 - not as good as 21 v 3, but we do at least have that consolation.

I too am worried about the heavy roller's disproportionate effect on our chances of getting victories at Taunton, but I'm sure those in a position to do something about that will be doing all they can - that's all I ask.

Onwards and upwards...

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 15:27
Well put, SP. Nothing to disagree with there (save perhaps any acknowledgment of the talents of Suarez, but I'm not a football fan anyway).

If, say, Trego and Leach had held on for over an hour to secure us a draw, we would all have said it was a triumph and I doubt that more than one or two among us would have said it was due to the failings of the other side.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 15:45
The heavy roller must be like water to a dying man for you KT. Your favourite subject for so long had been totally disproved by many on here over a long period of time though you kept coming back and banging oon about it and now the idiotic ECB have provided you with what you seem to think is a comeback chance.

But it hasn't you see because the reason you have been quiet about this for a while is because the issue was never as big as you made it out to be and the disparities that did exist had been dealt with by Phil Frost and after him Simon to the extent that your 'road' theory had even stopped being the urban myth it was in the first place.

The heavy roller issue is one that every county will face and every county should be up in arms about BUT

IT HAS NOT RETURNED THE TAUNTON WICKET TO THE STATE YOU CLAIMED IT WAS IN SOME FIVE YEARS AGO


The pitch being affected by the roller regulation bears no resemblence to the fictitious strip that you so firmly believe has stopped us winning the Championship over such a long time.

If the regulation is removed at the end of the season, which I very much hope it will be, one of the extra benefits will be that you will not be able to go on about the state of the Taunton pitch again because it will return to the wicket many of us have enjoyed in your absence. Happy days.

So nice try but never mind aye?



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 15:51
Maybe KT works for the ECB and brought the heavy roller back precisely for this purpose...

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 15:54
(Sm160) sussed!!



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 16:04
Quote:
Monkey Butler
We could see why Warks are champions, that is the mentality we have to try and emulate. I can't think of many teams who would have kept going like that.

With a friend like Cook who needs enemies!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 16:09
I can think of one.

Whatever our body language situation might be, Somerset rarely give up a game abjectly.

They may throw games away through shot selection etc but they never give up fighting. That is a positive trait inherited and still alive from the Langer days and long may it remain. Come to think about it, how could you give up with Steve Kirby in your side?



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Kentish Townie (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 17:04
So Grockle, this was the 'totally disproved' issue that virtually every preview of the season has raised, viz can Somerset win the title playing on non result friendly wickets?

The rest of the cricketing world is therefore wrong when it points to Taunton being a potential barrier to success is it?

I actually take some credit that after banging on about the problem a few years ago the club did actually take action. And guess what? We started winning games at home.

My real concern is that we are returning to the bad old ways at Taunton, albeit partly through idiotic regulations by the ECB.

If you bowl 140 overs at the end of a game and fail to get 10 wickets then some very serious questions have to be raised.

My concern is that promising young bowlers like Jamie Overton might not want to stay at Taunton if they can have more success and advance their international credentials elsewhere.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 17:12
Well from the look of the two pitches they've served up at the Oval so ar this season we can rest assured he won't be going to Surrey

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Big Jim (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 17:12
You take some of the credit for the changes.....oh my dear soul, somebody make a note of the date, for this was the day KT finally lost any of the credibility he may have had left.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 17:42
If you are gong to produce the same hogwwash again KT for another season then take it to the thread we set up for you to repeat yourself on. It wasn't relevant or true when you first proposed it. it isn't when you reproduce if for the nth time.

If you can provide these 'previews' from the last 5 years then please do and show us how wrong we mostly are but don't provide something from some London writer who couldn't find Taunton on a map. They operate in the same land of myths as you do. Many of us watch the cricket and assess it from first hand accounts of the actual position at the actual ground.

If you don't put it on the proper thread then I'm afraid I probably will if it becomes as 'tedious' as usualbecause it has all been said and disproved before. Anyone who wants to do the 2013 version is welcome to join you there.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Frome Exile (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 17:58
Atherton actually said, in his praise of Jove after the first innings, that having to get his wickets at Taunton would improve him as a bowler, and place him higher in the selectors thoughts than those who ply their trade on other pastures.
Doesn't quite sit with your view, KT.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 18:36
Since when has Mike Atherton been the definitive voice on first class cricket in this country, Frome Exile?

His opinions have been ridiculed many times on this site before, and no doubt will be in the future.

Or are you being selective in quoting him on this occasion simply to try to add weight to your own opinion?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 18:43
He isn't a definitive view. But a bowler with brains and heart should realise the truth in that view.

Conversely, of course, aspiring batsmen should perhaps NOT want to play many games on the sort of track that we saw for the second half of this game. They wouldn't learn much as batting would be too easy. If England selectors watched this match it won't have done SCCC hopefuls that much good in terms of having runs scored at Taunton treated with equivalence to, say, runs that Ben Stokes scores at CLS!

Hopefully, this a one-off and we find a way to get round the heavy roller problem... It is true that various work has been done on the track since the last time that the roller was a problem.

AH apparently believed that the track would turn and become uneven ... Perhaps that has happened in a pre-season game or something, even with the heavy roller?

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 18:44
Can we assume you don't agree with the great Michael's assesssment then CP?

If the answer is Yes, does that then mean you agree with KT's assesment that James may be on his way some time soon after being destroyed by the unyielding Taunton pitch like so many others (we are led to believe).



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 18:48
Don't assume anything, Grockle.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
AGod (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 18:52
Can anyone actually name a decent, aspiring bowler that has left the club for a rival in the past decade despite being a first-team regular!?

Just a thought..

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 18:52
You question the motives of FE - isn't that assuming?



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 18:55
No, it is questioning.

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 19:00
Ahhh...

CP are you asking FE about his use of Atherton because you agree with KT's assessment that James may leave because of the unyielding Taunton pitch?

The discussion you are referring to AG has been done to death on the "killing cricket" thread. KT has been asked many times to back up this assertion and hasn't been able to.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Big Jim (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 19:08
You've got to give credit to good old Clarence Parker, desperately trying to defend his old "Killing Cricket" chum, the Kentish Townie.
It's quite touching.



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Grockle (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 19:25
I think this probably needs to go to that thread gentlemen as it seems to have little to do with this one. I'll bring it back from the dead. Please send your pitch discusssions there;

Thanks



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Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
old boy! (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 19:27
Quote:
Kentish Townie

I actually take some credit that after banging on about the problem a few years ago the club did actually take action. And guess what? We started winning games at home.


Crikey - this man must have some very great influence!!So it was he who helped ensure that the heavy roller was banned after the start of the match? Or was he behind the move to make our headgroundsman redundant because he produced the wrong type of pitch??

Clearly he IS a man of mighty influence! IMO of course!

 
Re: Bearing it all again at Taunton
Frome Exile (IP Logged)
29/04/2013 20:16
Is Atherton not the Cricket Correspondent of the paper of record? winking smiley

Seriously, though, I merely quoted him as relatively well-informed source who ahould have a reasonable feel for what selectors look at. On this matter, I also happen to agree with him. Surely historically it is runs made, rather than wickets taken, at Taunton which have been met with selectorial disdain?