Somerset
The End of Days
By Grockle et al
September 23 2016
And so we come to the end of the 2016 season with Chris Rogers leading his four day squad into the last game of the season looking for a trophy. Who'da thunk it?
At the bneginning of the season we would not have predicted the last four days of the season.
We welcome Nottinghamshire to the last CC1 game of the season fighting Middlesex and Yorkshire for top spot in the division. Notts arrive very wary of our strong bowling attack of JACK LEACH, ROELOF VAN DER MERWE and DOM BESS!!! We would have expected them to be wary of Craig Overton and Tim Groenewald.... but our spinners?
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Thought I'd start a new thread for the final CC matches. Partly cos the one we've been using is really for the Yorkshire match last week. Mainly cos the thread's getting so long my phone wont open it any more.
Anyway, Yorkshire will be without Jake Lehmann who has been recalled by South Australia for preseason preparation. Meanwhile Tim Murtagh has confirmed he's delaying his departure to South Africa for the Ireland tour in order to play at Lord's.
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Anyway, Yorkshire will be without Jake Lehmann who has been recalled by South Australia for preseason preparation. Meanwhile Tim Murtagh has confirmed he's delaying his departure to South Africa for the Ireland tour in order to play at Lord's.
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What of Root? I understand he's not going to play in the ODIs in Bangladesh. Is that because he will be exhausted from the Lord's encounter.
Meanwhile, I am baffled that Bairstow declined to play in the Somerset match - and there was I thinking he was die-hard Yorkshire man.
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Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Meanwhile, I am baffled that Bairstow declined to play in the Somerset match - and there was I thinking he was die-hard Yorkshire man.
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Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I don't think the ECB released Root to play v Somerset. To be fair I don't think Yorkshire can grumble where Root I concerned (though they will). Root is an England contracted player whom England pay, but let out on loan to Yorkshire from time to time. Bairstow on the other hand isn't (ok he has an incremental contract because of the number of matches he's played for England) and Yorkshire still pay a proportion of his wages.
No doubt that will change at the end of this month when the ECB announce the list of fully contracted players. It will be interesting to see if Jos retains his now he's currently out of the Test team. Will Strauss put the ECB's money where his mouth is, giving equivalent importance to white ball cricket.
Yeah I've gone off-topic already.
No doubt that will change at the end of this month when the ECB announce the list of fully contracted players. It will be interesting to see if Jos retains his now he's currently out of the Test team. Will Strauss put the ECB's money where his mouth is, giving equivalent importance to white ball cricket.
Yeah I've gone off-topic already.
I was trying to think of a pun on Notts to open this thread. Not too disappointed at not needing to bother.
I'm appalled.
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Quote:Bagpuss
Yeah I've gone off-topic already.
I'm appalled.
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Tying Notts down - and keeping them there?
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Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Please don't take for granted the fact that Notts. are bottom of the table and already relegated, to be indicative of the fact that they will be a pushover and not put up a fight.
It may well work out that way; on the other hand it may not.
To everyone who is able to attend, I wish you well as I do for Somerset also. Sadly, unless circumstances change PDQ, I shall be missing the game but will be there in spirit and trying somehow to keep in touch.
The last game of the season and the last of the summer wine.
Enjoy.
PS - I also hope that there is a good attendance at the Q & A session on Tuesday, about which someone will I hope post some details.
It may well work out that way; on the other hand it may not.
To everyone who is able to attend, I wish you well as I do for Somerset also. Sadly, unless circumstances change PDQ, I shall be missing the game but will be there in spirit and trying somehow to keep in touch.
The last game of the season and the last of the summer wine.
Enjoy.
PS - I also hope that there is a good attendance at the Q & A session on Tuesday, about which someone will I hope post some details.
I don't think anyone has suggested that Notts will be any kind of pushover CP have they?
It wouldn't be anything like as satisfying if we are to win if that was the case.
It wouldn't be anything like as satisfying if we are to win if that was the case.
It has been suggested re: the debate about what kind of track we should prepare. Some have suggested that we should expect to easily beat them even if we don't prepare a turning track, citing their poor record etc
I'm really looking forward to going on Tuesday (and a few more days if I can sneak out of the office).
I moved down to Devon a few years ago and decided to adopt Somerset as my club but this has been my first season watching Somerset 'live' in the County Championship and it's been great.
I saw three days at Trent Bridge (but managed to miss the climax on the final day), most of the match at the Ageas Bowl, a rather turgid day at Lords plus quite a few days at Taunton.
I think I've been lucky that my first season has coincided with the guys putting up some great performances. I've been struck by the team spirit, they look like a group of players who enjoy playing together and playing for each other.
Fingers crossed for next week - dare to dream!
I moved down to Devon a few years ago and decided to adopt Somerset as my club but this has been my first season watching Somerset 'live' in the County Championship and it's been great.
I saw three days at Trent Bridge (but managed to miss the climax on the final day), most of the match at the Ageas Bowl, a rather turgid day at Lords plus quite a few days at Taunton.
I think I've been lucky that my first season has coincided with the guys putting up some great performances. I've been struck by the team spirit, they look like a group of players who enjoy playing together and playing for each other.
Fingers crossed for next week - dare to dream!
It's nice to read a post from someone with a new perspective Julia.
The Cumudgeon Club of those with decades behind them and no hope for anything in the future have mostly disappeared back into their dark caves to winter early since the County started moving forward after the T20 debacle.
It was relegation doom gloom and 'man the lifeboats' in the Spring which has been replaced by silence from some quarters since just after the Middlesex four day game which was a kind of 'last hurrah' for many of our resident critics.
Not all is rosey and there is a need for a number of changes in the winter but it has been a much improved second half of 2016. Though you'll struggle to find that posted from some on here. They'll just hole up until the next dip in fortune and then return to predict clouds 'lowering upon our house' once more and the death of the Golden Age of Somerset cricket when it was jumpers for wickets and the only decent players we ever had...Viv, Joel and of course good old Ian were in full flow and we swept all before us on hazy golden summer days..
Meanwhile this bunch of wasters go into next week's match with a chance of winning our first Chsmpionship...who'd a thought it aye? Enjoy your the week ma'am and we'll all be praying things go right.
The Cumudgeon Club of those with decades behind them and no hope for anything in the future have mostly disappeared back into their dark caves to winter early since the County started moving forward after the T20 debacle.
It was relegation doom gloom and 'man the lifeboats' in the Spring which has been replaced by silence from some quarters since just after the Middlesex four day game which was a kind of 'last hurrah' for many of our resident critics.
Not all is rosey and there is a need for a number of changes in the winter but it has been a much improved second half of 2016. Though you'll struggle to find that posted from some on here. They'll just hole up until the next dip in fortune and then return to predict clouds 'lowering upon our house' once more and the death of the Golden Age of Somerset cricket when it was jumpers for wickets and the only decent players we ever had...Viv, Joel and of course good old Ian were in full flow and we swept all before us on hazy golden summer days..
Meanwhile this bunch of wasters go into next week's match with a chance of winning our first Chsmpionship...who'd a thought it aye? Enjoy your the week ma'am and we'll all be praying things go right.
Actually, right now, Grockle, I am not so sure that 'there is a need for a number of changes in the winter.'
If Chris Rogers goes then somebody will be signed to replace him. Matthew Maynard would like to add a left-arm paceman.
Is the left-armer geuinely 'a need'? In my view, not really.
A number of posters would still like to see a batting coach appointed.
I'd say the list of needs extends to only two things, one of which is conditional - replace Rogers IF he quits, and the other add a batting coach.
I certainly don't expect MM to add a batting coach, though.
If Chris Rogers goes then somebody will be signed to replace him. Matthew Maynard would like to add a left-arm paceman.
Is the left-armer geuinely 'a need'? In my view, not really.
A number of posters would still like to see a batting coach appointed.
I'd say the list of needs extends to only two things, one of which is conditional - replace Rogers IF he quits, and the other add a batting coach.
I certainly don't expect MM to add a batting coach, though.
Isn't it brilliant that little ol' Somerset are right up there challanging the big guns at the top of the championship at the end of the season. Makes me feel proud of them. I believe that captain Rogers must be having a major influence on team spirit and belief and I would dearly like him to stay for another season, please.
Excellent post Julia. Also an excellent time to be supporting Somerset I would think. Hope you get to the last game too and enjoy the success "hopefully " !!
I can't see Tim going on forever even though it has been good to see him take on the mantle when Alf went. Would like to see a left armer with a bit of nouse - are any of our new boys lefties? Josh Davey may yet become a force.
We have to plan for the day that Marcus hangs up his boots and we may have to try and consolidate without Chris Rogers which could be a problem at the helm and at number 3 (Though Johann was starting to look at that really seriously around about Notts at Trent Bridge). The work may be based around getting the next batch ready for the first team fray but we can't just go.... OK second half of summer was OK so we're almost sorted.
If Chris stays then I'm sure he has plans...he's getting more out of Lewis but that job isn't finished. The fact that an Overton is injured for at least half a season most years must be a worry. The groundstaff will be looking to get a handle on the pitch - though we can't complain at the moment. If Pete is becoming more of a batsman then he needs to work on Jim becoming more of a bowler in all formats.
There's enough work to be getting on with. Because if the CC1 does not come to pass this year we have to be dissatisfied with anything but the title next year and not just start the next season as Somerset always do.
We have to plan for the day that Marcus hangs up his boots and we may have to try and consolidate without Chris Rogers which could be a problem at the helm and at number 3 (Though Johann was starting to look at that really seriously around about Notts at Trent Bridge). The work may be based around getting the next batch ready for the first team fray but we can't just go.... OK second half of summer was OK so we're almost sorted.
If Chris stays then I'm sure he has plans...he's getting more out of Lewis but that job isn't finished. The fact that an Overton is injured for at least half a season most years must be a worry. The groundstaff will be looking to get a handle on the pitch - though we can't complain at the moment. If Pete is becoming more of a batsman then he needs to work on Jim becoming more of a bowler in all formats.
There's enough work to be getting on with. Because if the CC1 does not come to pass this year we have to be dissatisfied with anything but the title next year and not just start the next season as Somerset always do.
Tim is only 32. Allenby at 34 in last year of his contract . Does he want to extend ? Don't know. Tims here for 2 more years and if he wants he can stay as long as he likes IMO. We do need to look at bringing in younger players too though so they have to look at that as we must have oldest batting unit in the country with only abell an established younger player . Time for Bartllett hose and rouse to step up !!
I'm sure everybody would agree with the sentiment of your final sentence, most especially the final few words, Grockle.
Agree with Ronnie's post too.
I believe that the answer to your question, Grockle is no - that none of our emerging bowlers like Green, Sale and Redrup are southpaws.
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Agree with Ronnie's post too.
I believe that the answer to your question, Grockle is no - that none of our emerging bowlers like Green, Sale and Redrup are southpaws.
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Quote:Grockle
It's nice to read a post from someone with a new perspective Julia.
The Cumudgeon Club of those with decades behind them and no hope for anything in the future have mostly disappeared back into their dark caves to winter early since the County started moving forward after the T20 debacle...
I was born in Herefordshire and back in the day (long time ago now!) was a regular at Edgar Street watching Hereford United. Over the years they have been FA Cup giant killers, in and out the football league, bankrupt and wound up because of terrible financial mismanagement and then this May I was lucky enough to see the pheonix club Hereford FC run out at Wembley in the FA Vase final.
I fully expect that being a Somerset supporter will have similar ups and downs (hopefully not at Hereford levels though!) and that at some point I shall be moaning about something!
But I currently see a lot of positives at the club - the crop of young players coming through for the future in particular. So I'm hopeful that there are more good days ahead.
I have no problem at all with people moaning Julia - I've done my fair share this year.
It's when that is all they do irrespective of the performance of the team and are significantly absent when some of the things they moan about get dealt with. We all know such posters exist on every forum.
The only thing you can do is keep the 'trolling' to a minimum and moderate it when it happens. Those people are NOT welcome.
You can also ask the people who can do nothing else but be negative to justify their moans on a regular basis. They usually get bored, complain about their treatment and wander away if they can't get their own way or are questioned about the views they find hard to justify.
People who have concerns and back up those concerns with evidence and possibly even suggestions of improvements are not a problem on an open forum. Rational balance is to be welcomed by any group who want to see their side progress.
There are also those topics where people are never going to agree. They flare up occasionally, get a little hot, cool down and posters get on with other stuff.
We tend to moderate ourselves to a great extent.
It's when that is all they do irrespective of the performance of the team and are significantly absent when some of the things they moan about get dealt with. We all know such posters exist on every forum.
The only thing you can do is keep the 'trolling' to a minimum and moderate it when it happens. Those people are NOT welcome.
You can also ask the people who can do nothing else but be negative to justify their moans on a regular basis. They usually get bored, complain about their treatment and wander away if they can't get their own way or are questioned about the views they find hard to justify.
People who have concerns and back up those concerns with evidence and possibly even suggestions of improvements are not a problem on an open forum. Rational balance is to be welcomed by any group who want to see their side progress.
There are also those topics where people are never going to agree. They flare up occasionally, get a little hot, cool down and posters get on with other stuff.
We tend to moderate ourselves to a great extent.
I've never yet seen an internet forum that has not had a few resident trolls, I think they are a default setting!
Reasoned debate is always a good thing imo - it shows that people care.
Reasoned debate is always a good thing imo - it shows that people care.
Sorry to be late to welcome you to the site, Julia, but you certainly have brought some new enthusiasm along with a nicely philosophical approach - viz your reference to the footballers of Hereford.
It has been said here - in reference to you - that this is a very good time to be a Somerset supporter. I would just like to add that the past seven decades have proved an excellent time to be a Somerset supporter.
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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It has been said here - in reference to you - that this is a very good time to be a Somerset supporter. I would just like to add that the past seven decades have proved an excellent time to be a Somerset supporter.
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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I also welcome you Julia.
Even last season when the second division was not far from our thoughts we still had a very good season of entertaining CC matches at Taunton.
Even last season when the second division was not far from our thoughts we still had a very good season of entertaining CC matches at Taunton.
Now, back on topic. Any chance Middlesex will get docked points for a rubbish wicket at the RDL final??
Alec and the Surrey fora will have a lot to say later if this final goes the way it really should.
Maybe they will find a way to blame us - Tom can help them with that I suppose. Blame Matt....it's bound to be all his fault somehow,
Maybe they will find a way to blame us - Tom can help them with that I suppose. Blame Matt....it's bound to be all his fault somehow,
Somebody said this track is also Tuesday's track. In which case the match is most unlikely to be a draw. So we would have to hope for a Yorkshire win But with 2 fewer bonus points than we get in a win vs Notts.
This isn't Tuesday's track. There's another one just to the Grandstand side of this that was being protected yesterday and today during warmups. Looks a better one too.
Apart from anything else this one's apparently been glued and you can't use a glued pitch for a Championship game within 42 days of the white ball game
Apart from anything else this one's apparently been glued and you can't use a glued pitch for a Championship game within 42 days of the white ball game
Well Surrey have been destroyed on the pitch they have used. Absolute carnage from beginning to end.
Provided we don't lose to Notts we will only have lost 1 game, while Yorkshire will have lost 2.
If we finish top, level on points with Middlesex, we'll be champions because we'll have more wins.
If we finish top, level with Yorkshire, we'll have the same number of wins. But we'll be champions because we'll have fewer losses.
If we finish top, level with Yorkshire, we'll have the same number of wins. But we'll be champions because we'll have fewer losses.
Although it is not taken into account in the final reckoning, we achieved one win against Yorkshire and had much the better of the drawn game at Taunton.
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
It would be taken into account if (1) most wins or (2) fewest losses didn't separate the teams. In that instance the tiebreaker would be points gained in head to head matches.
On this basis we'd beat Yorkshire but lose to Middlesex.
On this basis we'd beat Yorkshire but lose to Middlesex.
Thanks for that clarification, Bagpuss. I note that it is not covered in the explanation of the situation on the SCCC site.
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Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
So realistically it could come down to us getting one more bonus point than Yorkshire it we both win, or one bonus point less than middlesex if they draw and we win. Think that's right?
We own all the tie-breakers.
Whatever happens, it has ended up as a very, very good CC season.
With hindsight, I fully accept CR's point about how the Middx declaration could help to prime our guys for pressure situations. We've got the job done, under pressure, since then.
On the other hand, should Middx win the CC, they shall deserve it, being unbeaten.
Whatever happens, it has ended up as a very, very good CC season.
With hindsight, I fully accept CR's point about how the Middx declaration could help to prime our guys for pressure situations. We've got the job done, under pressure, since then.
On the other hand, should Middx win the CC, they shall deserve it, being unbeaten.
Forecast for both games this week is starting to look a little dodgy.
Thursday is currently not great for either venue, and Lord's may, apparently, also be hit on Tuesday. Wednesday is looking a relatively good day for both matches.
A slightly dodgy forecast makes it even more important that we prepare a result wicket, IMO.
Thursday is currently not great for either venue, and Lord's may, apparently, also be hit on Tuesday. Wednesday is looking a relatively good day for both matches.
A slightly dodgy forecast makes it even more important that we prepare a result wicket, IMO.
Being reported that Rashid has requested NOT to play in the CC match at Lord's.
Yup, confirmed on YCCC site.
Yorks 13
Ballance, Bresnan, Brooks Gale, Hodd, Lees,
Lyth, Patterson, Plunkett, Rafiq, Sidebottom, Leaning, Willey.
Yorks 13
Ballance, Bresnan, Brooks Gale, Hodd, Lees,
Lyth, Patterson, Plunkett, Rafiq, Sidebottom, Leaning, Willey.
On the other hand Bairstow fit, desperate to play, but ECB have turned down Yorkshire's request.
Another exhibit in the evidence that the ECB doesn't value the county championship. We're only a couple of steps away from Graves calling it mediocre.
I want Somerset to win so much it hurts. But I also want the counties involved to be able to put out the best teams they can, to play four full days without the weather taking over and to have umpiring of the highest quality.
Then the team that ends up on top knows they are Champions.
Another exhibit in the evidence that the ECB doesn't value the county championship. We're only a couple of steps away from Graves calling it mediocre.
I want Somerset to win so much it hurts. But I also want the counties involved to be able to put out the best teams they can, to play four full days without the weather taking over and to have umpiring of the highest quality.
Then the team that ends up on top knows they are Champions.
The Rashid decision to ask not to play seems very odd - it's hard to imagine a player not wanting to help his team win the championship.
As Bagpuss says the ECB decision on Bairstow seems totally in keeping with their total disregard for the county championship. I really cannot understand how Bairstow is not capable of playing in that game - he has apparently played just five days of cricket in the past five weeks. Hardly seems a lot of ask of a fit young man!
As Bagpuss says the ECB decision on Bairstow seems totally in keeping with their total disregard for the county championship. I really cannot understand how Bairstow is not capable of playing in that game - he has apparently played just five days of cricket in the past five weeks. Hardly seems a lot of ask of a fit young man!
Well from Middlesex perspective really thought our last game would be a shoot off against Yorkies. It looked like that shock win at Taunton kick started your season.
One thing against you is both teams need to win and will not play out a bore draw if that will give you the title. Good luck and hope you finish 2nd.
Barmy Kev
I'm only here for the tele
One thing against you is both teams need to win and will not play out a bore draw if that will give you the title. Good luck and hope you finish 2nd.
Barmy Kev
I'm only here for the tele
The weather today in Taunton is really horrid, there will be no chance of tomorrows pitch being uncovered in the neat future if this heavy drizzle/rain don't stop.
It's better to have rain today rather than tomorrow.
It's better to have rain today rather than tomorrow.
The forecast, for what it's worth, seems to be dry for the next four days.
So, who do we pick? It might seem perverse to change the side that outplayed Yorkshire, but even more so not to pick young Dominic now we're back at Taunton. I suppose the bowler to leave out would be Lewis, who despite his excellent innings at Headingley and the occasional timely breakthrough has not generally been at his best as a bowler lately.
Despite his magnificent early-season form, James H seems so woefully out of touch these last few weeks that I can see a case for giving him a rest, perhaps bribing in Johann who has only played three Championship matches this year but is averaging 58.
So, who do we pick? It might seem perverse to change the side that outplayed Yorkshire, but even more so not to pick young Dominic now we're back at Taunton. I suppose the bowler to leave out would be Lewis, who despite his excellent innings at Headingley and the occasional timely breakthrough has not generally been at his best as a bowler lately.
Despite his magnificent early-season form, James H seems so woefully out of touch these last few weeks that I can see a case for giving him a rest, perhaps bribing in Johann who has only played three Championship matches this year but is averaging 58.
But, 9 times out of 10 there's Not usually much riding on the final match. Will Hildreth deliver in a high pressure game? My default response would be 'no.'
However, He did do so At CLS But then That was At The End of the one season Where He had been consistently excellent (2010).
Very unlikely that he will be omitted, though.
I hope that Mr Bess is selected. It's true that Notts, M J Lumb apart, are RHBs in their top six. But there's still something to be said for the extra variety of an offie. But if it's a real result wicket then we might, possibly, opt for extra batting, in which case Mybs could play instead of one of the two spinners not named Leach that played in the most recent home game.
However, He did do so At CLS But then That was At The End of the one season Where He had been consistently excellent (2010).
Very unlikely that he will be omitted, though.
I hope that Mr Bess is selected. It's true that Notts, M J Lumb apart, are RHBs in their top six. But there's still something to be said for the extra variety of an offie. But if it's a real result wicket then we might, possibly, opt for extra batting, in which case Mybs could play instead of one of the two spinners not named Leach that played in the most recent home game.
I haven't seen anything about the Notts squad, are any of Hayles, Broad, Ball etc likely to play?
I haven't seen anything from Notts but can be fairly sure Broad won't play. Don't know about the others. Hales has had a busy summer. I'd guess at no Hales but Ball may be there. We'll have to wait and see.
Surely Hales would play on the basis he has opted out of the Bangladesh tour, so why would he need a rest?
Ball almost certain to be available. Hales likely to be available, I'd have thought unless he opts out.
I'm bound to say that if one of our players opted out of the Notts match because he thought he needed a rest I would be inclined to tell him to ply his trade somewhere else next year!
Off-spinner Matthew Carter, who took 10 wickets in the Somerset-Nottinghamshire match at Taunton last season (and hasn`t featured for the county since) is definitely playing for Notts tomorrow.
So, too, is another 20-year-old - wicket-keeper batsman Tom Moores, son of new Nottinghamshire and former England coach Peter Moores.
Both Carter and Moores have been named among the 50 or so members of the various winter performance squads named by the ECB today.
So, too, is another 20-year-old - wicket-keeper batsman Tom Moores, son of new Nottinghamshire and former England coach Peter Moores.
Both Carter and Moores have been named among the 50 or so members of the various winter performance squads named by the ECB today.
The Somerset squad for this game is: Marcus Trescothick, Tom Abell, Chris Rogers*, James Hildreth, Jim Allenby, Peter Trego, Lewis Gregory, Roelof van der Merwe, Craig Overton, Ryan Davies+, Dom Bess, Tim Groenewald, Jack Leach, Max Waller.
Waller is in the squad?
WSM - I think we can take it that the club are certainly aiming for another Bunsen if even MW is in the CC squad (as 4th spinner).
WSM - I think we can take it that the club are certainly aiming for another Bunsen if even MW is in the CC squad (as 4th spinner).
Still filthy weather in Taunton. It has rained virtually all day, that nasty, fine rain that gets things very damp indeed.
Max Waller is likely to be acting 12th Man i expect, will save a few runs in the field.
Nottinghamshire squad to face Somerset (from): Jake Ball, Matthew Carter, Harry Gurney, Brett Hutton, Jake Libby, Michael Lumb, Tom Moores, Steven Mullaney, Samit Patel, Chris Read (captain), Billy Root, Greg Smith and Imran Tahir.
No Alex Hales listed.
No Alex Hales listed.
Billy Root, younger brother of England`s Joe, may make only his second championship appearance for Nottinghamshire at Taunton tomorrow.
He is in a squad of 13, which also includes off-spinner Matthew Carter, who took 10 wickets on his debut for Notts in this match last year, and former Leicestershire all-rounder Greg Smith who signed a new contract last week.
There is no room for last season`s leading scorer Riki Wessels, who has a good record against Somerset but was dropped two weeks ago.
Squad: Ball, Carter, Gurney, Hutton, Libby, Lumb, Moores, Mullaney, Patel, Read (c), Root, Smith and Tahir.
He is in a squad of 13, which also includes off-spinner Matthew Carter, who took 10 wickets on his debut for Notts in this match last year, and former Leicestershire all-rounder Greg Smith who signed a new contract last week.
There is no room for last season`s leading scorer Riki Wessels, who has a good record against Somerset but was dropped two weeks ago.
Squad: Ball, Carter, Gurney, Hutton, Libby, Lumb, Moores, Mullaney, Patel, Read (c), Root, Smith and Tahir.
This is not going to plan re weather forecast. Steady drizzle all morning gave way to serious rain around 3, and it's still pouring now! It needs to stop soon or there will not be a 10.30 start tomorrow.
A journalist - Richard Gibson - has tweeted that the pitch for tomorrow is the same one used for the RLODC final. Which, if correct, is odd.
As Trent Bridge is the only ground near me where Somerset have been playing in recent years (apart from very occasional one day games in Leicester or Derby), I'm most put out that Notts have been selfish enough to get relegated. The least they can do is roll over in the next few days to make it up to me.
As it's possible that bonus points gained will really matter, is it feasible to produce a wicket that will yield a result but also a realistic prospect of 5 batting points for us when we don't even know who will bat first? I don't know much about these things but I'm guessing that's a very tall order for a groundsman.
I think the title of this thread should have two more dahs.
As it's possible that bonus points gained will really matter, is it feasible to produce a wicket that will yield a result but also a realistic prospect of 5 batting points for us when we don't even know who will bat first? I don't know much about these things but I'm guessing that's a very tall order for a groundsman.
I think the title of this thread should have two more dahs.
So odd Bagpuss it's against the rules to use a glued pitch so soon for a first class match (SKY said it was glued)
Here are the odds for title
Mid 11/8
Som 9/4
Yor 9/4
Couldn't be much tighter. Being marginal favourites does not offer me any comfort.
Barmy Kev
I'm only here for the tele
Mid 11/8
Som 9/4
Yor 9/4
Couldn't be much tighter. Being marginal favourites does not offer me any comfort.
Barmy Kev
I'm only here for the tele
Surely bonus points only come into it should Yorks win and our target must be to earn one more bonus point than they do ?
If we'd managed to creep to 400 against Yorks then bonus points would have been irrelevant except for the unlikely event of a tie. Mindset has to be to win the game first and see what transpires so the pitch can be as tricky as we can go away with.
If we'd managed to creep to 400 against Yorks then bonus points would have been irrelevant except for the unlikely event of a tie. Mindset has to be to win the game first and see what transpires so the pitch can be as tricky as we can go away with.
I could be wrong but I think bonus points might matter if we beat Notts whilst Middlesex and Yorkshire draw. The question then would be whether we could overhaul Middlesex. Their draw (5pts) would put them 15 points ahead of us, our win (16 pts) would put us into the lead by one, so it would be down to bonus points. Then again, a draw at Lords seems not very likely.
New to this site. First Somerset match I saw was v Kent, Taunton, 1959. Somerset 450 all out on the first day. Peter Wight carried hi bat 222*. I can still see him cradling it as he ran up the Old Pavilion steps at CoP. I was at Chester le St.in 2010. All four days. I can still see the team desolate at the end. Who knows what we will see in or at the end of this match. What we have seen this season though, after the first few games, is a team that believes in itself, fights for every run and every wicket, never gives up, charges the opposition at every opportunity and holds the line when under pressure until they have the chance to go at the them again.
Whatever this week brings if the team goes at Notts like they have gone at everyone else (after Durham in the first game) and with an eye on as many bonus points as they can garner they can hold their heads high. And if they come out the other end of it with no-one else left standing - well, if the club lasts another 141 years - that will have been its finest hour.
And if not. Well, this time it really may be next year.
Whatever this week brings if the team goes at Notts like they have gone at everyone else (after Durham in the first game) and with an eye on as many bonus points as they can garner they can hold their heads high. And if they come out the other end of it with no-one else left standing - well, if the club lasts another 141 years - that will have been its finest hour.
And if not. Well, this time it really may be next year.
Good point, worst case would see a high scoring draw at Lords with Middlesex taking 13 points and leaving us needing 350 to overtake them on number of wins.
I'd still be happy for us to close out with our third consecutive win and then see what happens. Crying shame these final games don't include some weekend play so more could get there.
I'd still be happy for us to close out with our third consecutive win and then see what happens. Crying shame these final games don't include some weekend play so more could get there.
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So odd Bagpuss it's against the rules to use a glued pitch so soon for a first class match (SKY said it was glued)
He did subsequently tweet apologising for giving misleading information. The pitch to be used is going to be the one that was indicated by Sky on Saturday.
I see the Met Office have now updated the local forecast for Taunton and it's showing the possibility of rain up to for a few more hours yet but less than 5% chance of rain for daylight hours tomorrow. Fingers crossed that rain does not interfere with proceedings tomorrow.
I'm really excited/nervous for tomorrow so I can only imagine how those of you who have been supporters all your lives must be feeling!
I'm really excited/nervous for tomorrow so I can only imagine how those of you who have been supporters all your lives must be feeling!
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I'm really excited/nervous for tomorrow so I can only imagine how those of you who have been supporters all your lives must be feeling!
Pretty sanguine now about the four days really. Always am before the start of a match especially a do or die one.
Once it starts won't be able to take the eye off it for a second and the butterflies will grow exponentially the longer we have a chance ofthe Championship.
If we were to get to the point where we have the winning it in our hands (like 2010 - half of the last day) i.e. Yorks have won and we have one more bonus point than them, then it becomes truly unbearable and lasts for an eternity which seems to go on longer than all the years you have lived so far.
If we get near actually winning with the Championship hanging on it the legs will lose all co-ordination, the heart will push through the rib cage, the eyes will not be able to bear to watch and if the winning moment approaches an out of body experience takes over and then in an instant it will be over - and never a first championship again.
And if it doesn't happen with a bit of luck you might get the chance to go through it all again next year.
Welcome to supporting Somerset.
The trouble with the bonus point situation is these will be established on day 1 or 2 and the teams in the other match can then adjust their game plan accordingly.
Eg if Somerset bats first and only makes 250-299, then Middlesex will know if they can hang in to get 350 a draw will do whatever the Taunton result, whilst Yorkshire will know 250 enough so long as they get the win.
After a lot of thought - it took me seven hours to drive down today, most of it occupied with bonus point calculations - I have come to the conclusion that unless Somerset have a Durham-game type track prepared I would feel happier seeing us bowl first. Obviously we can't unearthly a green top in the morning like we did for Middlesex or they'll just choose to bowl, but they have a couple of spinners with them expecting it to turn, we've named 4. Makes it mire likely they'll go for the toss and if they win bat first.
Why do I want us to bowl first? Well I believe Notts strong point is their bowling, esp seam bowling; it is their batting that has let them down this season. Our side will be nervous - who can blame them - and taking the field together, in front of what will hopefully be a big, artisan home crowd, may be better for settling the nerves than coming out one ar a time to gace a bowler who took a hat trick in a recent match. And finally we HAVE to take 20 wickets in this match and the sooner we start the more likely we ate to do this before time runs out. When push comes to shove I'd rather be watching us chase runs on a day 4 pitch, than watching our bowlers toil for nowt on a pitch that us getting flatter and slower.
All this depends on just what is served up underfoot of course. And that is a lot of garbled thoughts from me cos I can't sleep
Eg if Somerset bats first and only makes 250-299, then Middlesex will know if they can hang in to get 350 a draw will do whatever the Taunton result, whilst Yorkshire will know 250 enough so long as they get the win.
After a lot of thought - it took me seven hours to drive down today, most of it occupied with bonus point calculations - I have come to the conclusion that unless Somerset have a Durham-game type track prepared I would feel happier seeing us bowl first. Obviously we can't unearthly a green top in the morning like we did for Middlesex or they'll just choose to bowl, but they have a couple of spinners with them expecting it to turn, we've named 4. Makes it mire likely they'll go for the toss and if they win bat first.
Why do I want us to bowl first? Well I believe Notts strong point is their bowling, esp seam bowling; it is their batting that has let them down this season. Our side will be nervous - who can blame them - and taking the field together, in front of what will hopefully be a big, artisan home crowd, may be better for settling the nerves than coming out one ar a time to gace a bowler who took a hat trick in a recent match. And finally we HAVE to take 20 wickets in this match and the sooner we start the more likely we ate to do this before time runs out. When push comes to shove I'd rather be watching us chase runs on a day 4 pitch, than watching our bowlers toil for nowt on a pitch that us getting flatter and slower.
All this depends on just what is served up underfoot of course. And that is a lot of garbled thoughts from me cos I can't sleep
Wishing all at HQ good luck tomorrow and for the next few days.
Let's hope for a good game, some fine performances, the result we all wish for and a bit of assistance from the game at Lord's.
Will log on tomorrow with anticipation, and not a little trepidation !!
Grizzzly, (temporarily of the Yukon !)
Let's hope for a good game, some fine performances, the result we all wish for and a bit of assistance from the game at Lord's.
Will log on tomorrow with anticipation, and not a little trepidation !!
Grizzzly, (temporarily of the Yukon !)
Yes. Will follow the first couple of days before making a decision about my location on Friday afternoon and leave it partly to fate as well.
We'll have a pretty good idea by Wednesday evening I hope.
We'll have a pretty good idea by Wednesday evening I hope.
I think it'll turn square, Bagpuss. So I imagine that there will be a toss and that Mr Rogers will unhesitatingly bat first, should he win it.
However, by the law of averages, I suspect we're due to lose one of these tosses on these sort of home tracks.
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However, by the law of averages, I suspect we're due to lose one of these tosses on these sort of home tracks.
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Forecast notably worse for Lord's than for Taunton.
Word is that we'd be unlucky to catch any rain at all over the four days in Taunton.
Today, Thursday and Friday are all considered days where there may be showers in St John's Wood.
Word is that we'd be unlucky to catch any rain at all over the four days in Taunton.
Today, Thursday and Friday are all considered days where there may be showers in St John's Wood.
If we bat first and repeat our first innings v Warks or Durham it'll be all over today. ☹
My rational head says that we shall nearly get there but not quite. My unrational Somerset supporting head is working out what time I have to leave on Thursday or Friday to drive the length of the country.
Have a great day folks.
Have a great day folks.
Not sure any of these pitches have turned square thought the odd ball has. They have turned but pretty evenly and Leach gets some bounce with the newer ball. We have tended to bat less badly than the opposition against the spin but there have been some woeful shots. If it turns like the recent pitches the key will be how disciplined our batting is and at the top of our second innings against Warks we showed we can do disciplined batting. If our bowlers bowl as they have most of this season we will out bowl them, Ball possibly apart. The riskiest part will be this morning if they put us in.
The weather is very cloudy but not raining, it rained well into the night and it looks very wet this morning with damp areas still on the road.
The covers were off the square just after seven this morning, I am wondering how dry the pitch is after being covered all of yesterday.
The covers were off the square just after seven this morning, I am wondering how dry the pitch is after being covered all of yesterday.
Thanks Farmer White. Pretty well sums up my emotional state too.
Baggie I love the idea of all those artisans 😂
Wish the players good luck and all our fans too! It's going to be a bumpy ride I suspect az we never do things simply!
Baggie I love the idea of all those artisans 😂
Wish the players good luck and all our fans too! It's going to be a bumpy ride I suspect az we never do things simply!
The sad part about today is having that last square on your free scorecard card stamped knowing it is the last match of the season.
Saying that there is one thing that will put a smile on my face on Friday.
Saying that there is one thing that will put a smile on my face on Friday.
Press box cake may reflect the match
Day 1 - passion fruit
Day 2 - lemon drizzle
Day 3 - rocky road
Day 4 - cup cakes!
Day 1 - passion fruit
Day 2 - lemon drizzle
Day 3 - rocky road
Day 4 - cup cakes!
Dare to dream!!
Maybe just maybe this is the week we have all been waiting for - us hope so.
Maybe just maybe this is the week we have all been waiting for - us hope so.
I'm loving Farmer White - you're very welcome sir (or madam)!
Too much in my head already to do bonus point calculations - what will be will be - but I've said my prayers extra diligently this morning.
Go well everyone, wish I could be there...
Too much in my head already to do bonus point calculations - what will be will be - but I've said my prayers extra diligently this morning.
Go well everyone, wish I could be there...
"And that is a lot of garbled thoughts from me cos I can't sleep."
Poor you, Bagpuss. Certainly garbled and most definitely analytical.
To those who will be attending, simply enjoy the last county cricket that you will see until next year. Don't expect too much and you won't be disappointed; you may even be pleasantly surprised.
This is after all Somerset who as we all know haven't won the County Championship in 125 years. Members have shied away from their death beds in the desire to see us win it before they depart this life. Perhaps they will have to hang on a bit longer after Friday. Who knows?
We keep saying "Perhaps this year we will win the CC". Perhaps, but if not there will be one year when we will.
I would like to be there witnessing the comments from 'The Pit of Hate' (have any others discovered its permanent location?) but other things have unfortunately got in the way. Not only will I miss the cricket, but also saying au revoir to a number of friends who hopefully will survive the Winter.
Enjoy the cricket - I shall be there in spirit, and good fortune to Somerset et al.
Poor you, Bagpuss. Certainly garbled and most definitely analytical.
To those who will be attending, simply enjoy the last county cricket that you will see until next year. Don't expect too much and you won't be disappointed; you may even be pleasantly surprised.
This is after all Somerset who as we all know haven't won the County Championship in 125 years. Members have shied away from their death beds in the desire to see us win it before they depart this life. Perhaps they will have to hang on a bit longer after Friday. Who knows?
We keep saying "Perhaps this year we will win the CC". Perhaps, but if not there will be one year when we will.
I would like to be there witnessing the comments from 'The Pit of Hate' (have any others discovered its permanent location?) but other things have unfortunately got in the way. Not only will I miss the cricket, but also saying au revoir to a number of friends who hopefully will survive the Winter.
Enjoy the cricket - I shall be there in spirit, and good fortune to Somerset et al.
Word on the club website is that the outfield is still a bit damp but not so much so as to prevent a prompt start. Definitely cloudy here so possibly bowl-first conditions but it will surely be a bat-first wicket.
Apparently a prompt start is expected at Lord's too, where conditions are similar.
Apparently a prompt start is expected at Lord's too, where conditions are similar.
I have to say that the Middx side looks much stronger than Yorks to me.
Robson lbw Brooks for a duck, however.
Robson lbw Brooks for a duck, however.
Middx 33-2, and so are we 33-2, Tres and Abell gone. Need a Captains innings now Mr Rogers
Tom on as a runner for Hildreth (nicked ball into some part of his lower leg).
Hildreth's foot injury seems to be getting worse. He can barely walk but is struggling on.
BBC commentary says the ball hit his ankle.
Hopefully nothing broken. Need to get him to lunch, get some ice and strapping on it so he can continue, and bat second innings
Hopefully nothing broken. Need to get him to lunch, get some ice and strapping on it so he can continue, and bat second innings
Sounds a satisfactory morning, not only because we have a decent score but because, per reports, track is turning before lunch on Day one, again.
Things look very even at Lord's but the good thing, from our point of view, is that neither side currently looks like running away with that match (and thus getting a huge haul of bonus points as well as a win).
Eskinazi b Brooks 12.
A lot seems to hinge on Nick Gubbins now, at Lord's, from a Middx stand-point.
The Yorkshire batting line-up looks fairly flimsy to me, at least on paper, so with overhead conditions potentially in favouring the ball throughout, they may well fail to get many bonus points.
A lot seems to hinge on Nick Gubbins now, at Lord's, from a Middx stand-point.
The Yorkshire batting line-up looks fairly flimsy to me, at least on paper, so with overhead conditions potentially in favouring the ball throughout, they may well fail to get many bonus points.
Trouble is of course AG that a draw looks unlikely at Lords, so we need a Yorkshire win with as few bonus points as possible. A flimsy Yorks batting line up is a concern
I'm not so sure that a draw is all that unlikely, The scorecard thus far implies that It may be a slow and turgid track....stalemate, really, thus far.
We're halfway there, but will need to step it up when/if the time comes to get full points. As long as Middlesex don't win we have a great chance.
What are people's thoughts on the pitch? Is this stand indicative of a flat track or just very good batting by our lads?
Whatever happens in this round of matches all the Somerset players are heroes!! Especially Chris Rogers and James Hildreth.
Later in the game arise Sir Jack Leach (I hope).
Later in the game arise Sir Jack Leach (I hope).
Great stuff.
The commentators seem to think that plenty of balls have turned, including one from Patel that took off past Chris Read as though it had caught the shoulder of CR's bat, yet was given as byes.
The commentators seem to think that plenty of balls have turned, including one from Patel that took off past Chris Read as though it had caught the shoulder of CR's bat, yet was given as byes.
The excitement is rising in downtown Le Pouget. Actually there has been no discernable interest in my part of rural France .And this seems a good moment to thank Grock for hosting this bearpit ( big LOL)and all of you who contribute. It is remarkable how connected I feel to Taunton while those around me have no idea why I spend so much time listening to le cricket ( and thanks to the BBC also for making that happen).I know it gets a bit rocky sometimes but really this site is the BEST.
Everything looks good , right now, but expect some rollercoatering.Here's to whatever ending
it's quite a ride.
Everything looks good , right now, but expect some rollercoatering.Here's to whatever ending
it's quite a ride.
As you said it Streeter the roller coaster has just hit a bend - hang on!
James Hildreth's ankle is not a pretty sight... makes his effort today even more comendable.
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This is a bit of a wobble 322-6.
Need to get the 4th batting point at least now
Need to get the 4th batting point at least now
Opps sorry Rod1883 the moral of the story is look before you post.
This mid innings collapse is a worry, or is it? No mileage in a flat track draw.
This mid innings collapse is a worry, or is it? No mileage in a flat track draw.
So long as Yorks don't fold twice then the three batting points that we have plus the three that we shall get for bowling should be enough to win the CC!
Middx look likely to drop at lesst one batting point. In which case they could only gain 12 points from a draw vs the 22 that we shall gain and with us holding the tie-break.
Hence, I feel this collapse is liable to prove immaterial.
Middx look likely to drop at lesst one batting point. In which case they could only gain 12 points from a draw vs the 22 that we shall gain and with us holding the tie-break.
Hence, I feel this collapse is liable to prove immaterial.
Following on - I agree that it could be good news for our bowlers and achieving a win, but four wickets lost now on the same score isn't helping my blood pressure, or getting to that vital 4th batting point.
I must admit I was a little concerned when I saw no TG or JA to bolster the tail's batting
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I must admit I was a little concerned when I saw no TG or JA to bolster the tail's batting
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Well, flippin heck - 322-9.
5 wickets lost on 322!
Will we get that 4th batting point?
Do we need it?
Should we have had another batter in the line up?
Interesting times!
5 wickets lost on 322!
Will we get that 4th batting point?
Do we need it?
Should we have had another batter in the line up?
Interesting times!
What most James H and Chris Rogers be thinking! Losing 7 for 20 after a stand of 269. Where is the roller coaster going to next. Thank the lord that's it for the day.
I suspect it's not just 'rubbish' but the new ball, bouncier for the spinner and swinging in the gloom for Ball, picking up wickets that Notts should've had earlier in the day, but for the brilliance of Rogers and Hildreth.
Had we not collapsed, SP, folks would be fretting about whether we had somehow contrived a flat-track. I think losing 7,654 wickets for 3 runs has put that notion to rest!
The good news is that unless Middlesex score 400 run in there first inning (highly unlucky) a draw would not be good enough for Middlesex to pass us , if we win with 22 points
No one thought it would be easy! It never is, but it's not 95 all out by lunch. We're still in it, and our team doesn't know when it's beaten. And breath! Dare to dream.
well that was an interesting day for sure. The late order collapse puts the terrific performances from Rogers and the one legged Hildy into perspective. Great effort from the two of them and Abel too.
It was great to meet some of the Grockle board members today - many thanks for your welcome to 'the hill' - I hope to be back again on Thursday.
It was great to meet some of the Grockle board members today - many thanks for your welcome to 'the hill' - I hope to be back again on Thursday.
Indeed a strange day! Only two players have looked fairly comfortable at the socket which suggests there is enough to keep both seamers and spinners interested.
I hope our intensive bowling and excellent ground fielding will prove too much for a not too strong Notre batting line up.
Good to meet you Julia and share banter with other Grockles !!
I hope our intensive bowling and excellent ground fielding will prove too much for a not too strong Notre batting line up.
Good to meet you Julia and share banter with other Grockles !!
Has anyone ever remarked that it's a funny old game?
In mid-afternoon, it seemed that we were playing against West Bagborough Seconds. As soon as Rogers was out, it seemed to be the West Indies of the 1960s.
Rogers and Hildreth played superbly. No praise can be too great for the Emperor: he was clearly in huge pain and his movements were severely restricted, but he found ways of adapting shots to take account of his restricted movements.
If this turns out to be Rogers' final first-class match (and I very much hope that it doesn't), what a way to bow out.
The less said about the rest of the batting (with the exception, albeit briefly, of Trescothick), the better.
It was very good to sit with a group of Grocklites. Any others who care to join us are likely to find us at the pavilion end of Gimblett Hill (near Mike the Lens).
In mid-afternoon, it seemed that we were playing against West Bagborough Seconds. As soon as Rogers was out, it seemed to be the West Indies of the 1960s.
Rogers and Hildreth played superbly. No praise can be too great for the Emperor: he was clearly in huge pain and his movements were severely restricted, but he found ways of adapting shots to take account of his restricted movements.
If this turns out to be Rogers' final first-class match (and I very much hope that it doesn't), what a way to bow out.
The less said about the rest of the batting (with the exception, albeit briefly, of Trescothick), the better.
It was very good to sit with a group of Grocklites. Any others who care to join us are likely to find us at the pavilion end of Gimblett Hill (near Mike the Lens).
Really could do with scrapping to 350. That would mean a Yorks win would need to be by same amount. Given they are likely to lose 10-14 overs a day based on today's bad light reading that would be some achievement.
At least we know the pitch isn't flat..
At least we know the pitch isn't flat..
We are still in it just. If we get no more batting points an win I think we get 225
MSex draw gives I think 218 plus bonus. 3 for bowling is 221 so they need another 2 batting points. A Yorks win gives 220 plus bonus so they need 6 in total. EandOE what a season.
MSex draw gives I think 218 plus bonus. 3 for bowling is 221 so they need another 2 batting points. A Yorks win gives 220 plus bonus so they need 6 in total. EandOE what a season.
Somerset v Notts first day photos.
Today is all about two players Chris Rogers and James Hildreth for their combined score of 267.
James Hildreth should be given a medal for bravery after all the pain he went through today, I saw a photo of his injury (thanks to Bagpuss) and you wouldn't want to see it if you have a weak stomach.
Several players did last long, Peter Trego was one of them lbw to Jake Ball.
Lewis Gregory was another player that didn't last long bowled by Imran Tahir.
When James Hildreth was out ct Chris Read bld Brett Hutton most of the Notts player went over to him to shake his hand.
After a very good innings from Chris Rogers he was out caught Steven Mallaney bowled Jake Ball.
When the brave James Hildreth reached his 100 Chris Rogers gave him a hug and the crowd stood and clapped.
And the same happened when Chris Rogers reached his 100, this time it was James Hildreth who hobbled over from square leg to give Chris a hug, and the crowd stood and clapped.
This shot that James Hildreth played gave him so much pain I thought he must go off the field, but he bravely stayed on.
Even when the batsmen had a drinks break James Hildreth sat on the ground while they had a drink.
Marcus Trescothick driving at a ball from Jake Ball got an edge and was caught behind by Chris Read.
Today is all about two players Chris Rogers and James Hildreth for their combined score of 267.
James Hildreth should be given a medal for bravery after all the pain he went through today, I saw a photo of his injury (thanks to Bagpuss) and you wouldn't want to see it if you have a weak stomach.
Several players did last long, Peter Trego was one of them lbw to Jake Ball.
Lewis Gregory was another player that didn't last long bowled by Imran Tahir.
When James Hildreth was out ct Chris Read bld Brett Hutton most of the Notts player went over to him to shake his hand.
After a very good innings from Chris Rogers he was out caught Steven Mallaney bowled Jake Ball.
When the brave James Hildreth reached his 100 Chris Rogers gave him a hug and the crowd stood and clapped.
And the same happened when Chris Rogers reached his 100, this time it was James Hildreth who hobbled over from square leg to give Chris a hug, and the crowd stood and clapped.
This shot that James Hildreth played gave him so much pain I thought he must go off the field, but he bravely stayed on.
Even when the batsmen had a drinks break James Hildreth sat on the ground while they had a drink.
Marcus Trescothick driving at a ball from Jake Ball got an edge and was caught behind by Chris Read.
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We are still in it just. If we get no more batting points an win I think we get 225
MSex draw gives I think 218 plus bonus. 3 for bowling is 221 so they need another 2 batting points. A Yorks win gives 220 plus bonus so they need 6 in total. EandOE what a season.
Middlesex would need a full set of bonus points on assumption of Somerset winning with 22 points. 13 points would put them on 226 to our 225. If they finish on 225 we'd win on more wins in season. To get full bonus points they would need 192 off 28 overs. The new ball is two overs old and they've got five wickets left. They'd need to go at 6.8 an over. It's not going to happen.
York win is more likely and painful. Again we could have finished level and won on head to head. However they only need to match our points haul. 22 points seems achievable. 23 harder, 24 very tough. We really really need to try and get to 23 if we can and hope either Middlesex continue to bat slow in morning and stop the last bonus bowling point (4 wickets in 28 overs) or the Middlesex bowlers restrict them to under 300..
So, all things considered, are we in a better place to win the championship at the end of today than we were at the beginning? I would say yes.
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So, all things considered, are we in a better place to win the championship at the end of today than we were at the beginning? I would say yes.
It's all on the assumption of Somerset winning but
1) a Middlesex win always going to be too much for us
2) a draw at Lords will be fine now baring something extraordinary
3) a Yorks win of 21 points of less is already covered.
We could have been close to putting 3) to bed without such a collapse. Tomorrows morning session will some say in it..
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York win is more likely and painful. Again we could have finished level and won on head to head. However they only need to match our points haul. 22 points seems achievable. 23 harder, 24 very tough. We really really need to try and get to 23 if we can and hope either Middlesex continue to bat slow in morning and stop the last bonus bowling point (4 wickets in 28 overs) or the Middlesex bowlers restrict them to under 300..
I'm pretty sure it's the case that if we're level on points with Yorkshire at the end, then we benefit because they will have won the same number of games, but lost one more.
EDIT: sorry, on reading again, I see what you mean – that they need to match our points tally in this game.
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That's true LH. So Middlesex now know they have to win. Yorkshire also know they have to win. They will also know by the time they start to bat how many runs they have to get to match Somerset's bonus points for this match.
This does, of couse, assume Somerset beat Notts whilst all three teams attain full batting points.
Is it too much to hope Middlesex can continue their sedate progress for another 28 overs whilst only losing a further 3 wickets, thus denying Yorkshire a third bowling point.
This does, of couse, assume Somerset beat Notts whilst all three teams attain full batting points.
Is it too much to hope Middlesex can continue their sedate progress for another 28 overs whilst only losing a further 3 wickets, thus denying Yorkshire a third bowling point.
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York win is more likely and painful. Again we could have finished level and won on head to head. However they only need to match our points haul. 22 points seems achievable. 23 harder, 24 very tough. We really really need to try and get to 23 if we can and hope either Middlesex continue to bat slow in morning and stop the last bonus bowling point (4 wickets in 28 overs) or the Middlesex bowlers restrict them to under 300..
I'm pretty sure it's the case that if we're level on points with Yorkshire at the end, then we benefit because they will have won the same number of games, but lost one more.
EDIT: sorry, on reading again, I see what you mean – that they need to match our points tally in this game.
Yes they are one point ahead of us - that stumping of TG last week could prove telling!
I was at Lords for a bit today.
Dreadfully slow wicket.
Could help us.
Dreadfully slow wicket.
Could help us.
Bagpuss - it would seem very unlikely that Middx will get full batting points - extremely unlikely.
Yes, I think the awful track at Lord's (pudding) could swing things for us, by preventing a result there.
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Yes, but death, taxes, and a September hundred at Taunton for Hildreth..
*coughs quietly*
AG thats why I say Middlesex now know they have to win. They are not going to get enough bonus points to beat us with a draw (assuming Somerset win, having secured max bowling points)
Here is my take on the day as posted on Cricinfo:
"Well this is the Somerset way! A long awaited second hundred from Rogers, a captain who has been worth his place for the transformation he has wrought. An innings of true cricket heroism from Hildreth. From the stands you could feel the pain of his excruciatingly slow hobbles to and from square leg to face after a single. 128 runs on one leg in four hours. Not since Botham carried on to win a match after Andy Roberts knocked his teeth out in 1974 has Somerset witnessed such a sight and Botham did not bat four hours. It was that brave. Then from the Olympian heights of 302-2 the spectacle of a classic Somerset collapse to 322-9. 'Twas ever thus and if Somerset are ever to win the Championship you would suspect it will be done in this way. If they do win the Championship this week James Hildreth's hundred will rank in Somerset's folklore with Harold Gimblett's Lawrence Trophy winning hundred on debut in 1935. It was that good."
The butterflies are churning today. With Middlesex and Yorkshire chasing points tomorrow the heart will start to pump. Let us hope by Thursday it is starting to pound against the rib cage and by Friday the strength starts to go from the legs. For the moment the butterflies show we are still close enough to our course although another 28 runs in the morning will really set them afluttering given the state of play at Lords.
Up Somerset and at' em!
"Well this is the Somerset way! A long awaited second hundred from Rogers, a captain who has been worth his place for the transformation he has wrought. An innings of true cricket heroism from Hildreth. From the stands you could feel the pain of his excruciatingly slow hobbles to and from square leg to face after a single. 128 runs on one leg in four hours. Not since Botham carried on to win a match after Andy Roberts knocked his teeth out in 1974 has Somerset witnessed such a sight and Botham did not bat four hours. It was that brave. Then from the Olympian heights of 302-2 the spectacle of a classic Somerset collapse to 322-9. 'Twas ever thus and if Somerset are ever to win the Championship you would suspect it will be done in this way. If they do win the Championship this week James Hildreth's hundred will rank in Somerset's folklore with Harold Gimblett's Lawrence Trophy winning hundred on debut in 1935. It was that good."
The butterflies are churning today. With Middlesex and Yorkshire chasing points tomorrow the heart will start to pump. Let us hope by Thursday it is starting to pound against the rib cage and by Friday the strength starts to go from the legs. For the moment the butterflies show we are still close enough to our course although another 28 runs in the morning will really set them afluttering given the state of play at Lords.
Up Somerset and at' em!
Did anything of major interest come from the club's Q & A meeting tonight?
Was anybody there?
Was anybody there?
I don't think it should go without mention yesterdays contribution by Tom Abell to a record 3rd wicket partnership against Notts was exemplary. To 'bat' for around 4 hours and 250 runs, without actually facing a ball, required immense concentration. There was not a single instance where there was a mix up in calling for a run between him and Rogers. Yet the record books won't show his part in this passage of play.
I bet Somerset's other 'out' batsman at the time of Hildreth's injury was mightily relieved he had a younger colleague to send out as Hildreth's runner.
I bet Somerset's other 'out' batsman at the time of Hildreth's injury was mightily relieved he had a younger colleague to send out as Hildreth's runner.
Yes, welcome JCW, to the eventful world of SCCC !
I was in a good place when I saw we were 200 odd for 2, but did not enjoy the evening when I discovered what happened later. So seemingly unexpected, yet so utterly consistent with our approach over the decades of rarely making life easy for ourselves.
Still, we are still 'in the mix' so let's hope today brings good things. 350 with the bat would be great, but whatever happens there, let's make sure we bowl tightly, accurately and with conviction.
As for James, to score a big hundred with that injury, must have been a simply herculian effort, without which our Championship hopes would surely be over.
The same goes for CR, who chose a great time to come good. No matter what the outcome of this game, as he ponders his future, the lyrics of a song by KC & the Sunshine Band seem appropriate:
Please don't go,
Don't go,
Don't go away.
Please don't go,
Don't go,
I'm begging you to stay
Grizzzly
I was in a good place when I saw we were 200 odd for 2, but did not enjoy the evening when I discovered what happened later. So seemingly unexpected, yet so utterly consistent with our approach over the decades of rarely making life easy for ourselves.
Still, we are still 'in the mix' so let's hope today brings good things. 350 with the bat would be great, but whatever happens there, let's make sure we bowl tightly, accurately and with conviction.
As for James, to score a big hundred with that injury, must have been a simply herculian effort, without which our Championship hopes would surely be over.
The same goes for CR, who chose a great time to come good. No matter what the outcome of this game, as he ponders his future, the lyrics of a song by KC & the Sunshine Band seem appropriate:
Please don't go,
Don't go,
Don't go away.
Please don't go,
Don't go,
I'm begging you to stay
Grizzzly
I think we are in slightly worse place than yesterday, but it was always likely to be. Always assuming that we win with bowling points then as said above the Msex draw is out of the reckoning and they have to win as they always did to be sure. A Yorkshire draw is also out of the reckoning so Yorks need to win with 6 bonus points. They have 1 . One more bowling point means score 350 or 2 more score 300. Ideally our last 2 will score 28 this morning.
Never a dull moment-except at Lord's where dull moments at 4.30 f0r the next 3 days would be welcome
Never a dull moment-except at Lord's where dull moments at 4.30 f0r the next 3 days would be welcome
Excellent post Bagpuss regarding Tom Abell. I had it in mind to post something similar last night if I'd had more time and energy by the time I got online, but you have put it much better than I could.
Thans also for sharing the picture of James' ankle, which successfully put me off my food for the rest of the day.
Well said too Farmer White for a beautifully written mini-article.
Thans also for sharing the picture of James' ankle, which successfully put me off my food for the rest of the day.
Well said too Farmer White for a beautifully written mini-article.
I would like to add my thanks to Tom Abell. It struck me how lonely it seemed to be for him as neither of the batsmen Included him in their discussions at the wicket nor speak to him. To concentrate for that long period without putting a foot wrong was indeed exemplary. Very well done, Tom.
Thank you all for the welcome.
As I reflect this morning on all the calculations of the points I wonder if the real point to focus on today is the Yorks middle and lower order. Is it strong enough to resist the Middlesex attack? As that question is answered we may start to get a clearer answer to how important Gubbins' innings is and to where this Championship is going.
Whilst that story is unfolding our bowlers now hold the key. Sustained pressure from them and some resulting wickets will put pressure not only on Notts but also on both sides at Lords. They may have as much effect on that match as on this. Which way that pressure might work is one of the great mysteries of cricket.
Such is cricket and for those of us who support Somerset in all this: Oh the joy of perpetual purgatory.
As I reflect this morning on all the calculations of the points I wonder if the real point to focus on today is the Yorks middle and lower order. Is it strong enough to resist the Middlesex attack? As that question is answered we may start to get a clearer answer to how important Gubbins' innings is and to where this Championship is going.
Whilst that story is unfolding our bowlers now hold the key. Sustained pressure from them and some resulting wickets will put pressure not only on Notts but also on both sides at Lords. They may have as much effect on that match as on this. Which way that pressure might work is one of the great mysteries of cricket.
Such is cricket and for those of us who support Somerset in all this: Oh the joy of perpetual purgatory.
"All attendees were politely asked to adopt NDA's!"
Well, if that is true, one imagines that some sensational and / or confidential matters were disclosed. If that is the case, it goes entirely against the grain for Somerset CCC.
Well, if that is true, one imagines that some sensational and / or confidential matters were disclosed. If that is the case, it goes entirely against the grain for Somerset CCC.
It's four years since I last posted on Grockles (and then only once!), but I have logged on on to view the discussions for almost every day of every game across all these seasons. Thanks to all you members for sharing your thoughts and photos - it's such a warm feeling being on this site - to know there are others as obsessed by the fortunes of SCCC!
I have a good feeling about today. My gut instinct is early wickets will lead to a collapse from Notts, so breakthroughs from Lewis and Craig would make life much easier for the spin triplets. I think the big wickets may be their young batsmen (Moores and Libby) who will still be keen to make an impression. I got the feeling Samit might have been on holiday already, when listening to the commentary yesterday; I really hope so!
Anyway, can't wait for things to get going again today. The wickets last night have just moved the game on a bit (obviously would have preferred that to have happened 80 runs later), which is advantageous for us and i think I'd rather be playing on our wicket than at Lord's when in need of a win or a high scoring draw. We'll see.
I wish I could get to Taunton this week, but I'm stuck in Lancs and then off on an end of season cricket tour to France on Thursday. Ridiculous, I know!
I have a good feeling about today. My gut instinct is early wickets will lead to a collapse from Notts, so breakthroughs from Lewis and Craig would make life much easier for the spin triplets. I think the big wickets may be their young batsmen (Moores and Libby) who will still be keen to make an impression. I got the feeling Samit might have been on holiday already, when listening to the commentary yesterday; I really hope so!
Anyway, can't wait for things to get going again today. The wickets last night have just moved the game on a bit (obviously would have preferred that to have happened 80 runs later), which is advantageous for us and i think I'd rather be playing on our wicket than at Lord's when in need of a win or a high scoring draw. We'll see.
I wish I could get to Taunton this week, but I'm stuck in Lancs and then off on an end of season cricket tour to France on Thursday. Ridiculous, I know!
You beauty Dom Bess. I think that takes the Middx v Yorks draw off the table ?
Dom Bess will never score more valuable runs...and under pressure.That changes all the calculations.
What an absolute gem of a knock by young Dombess (who has now achieved a career-best every time he has batted in first-class cricket). Is there nothing this boy can't do?
Ably assisted of course by Jack, and also a bit by Tahir.
Ably assisted of course by Jack, and also a bit by Tahir.
Top order stuff Dom Bess... would anyone have given us 365 last thing yesterday. It is great when players stand tall when there is only them to hold the line. What an impressive young man this one is.
So our present hope is that Yorks take no more than 2 wickets in the next 13 overs which will help. what are the odds on the 9th wicket in the 110th?
I'm not sure if Middlesex are playing this right, they look to be trying to bat Yorkshire out of the title race. If Yorkshire don't get a 3rd batting point and also fall just short of 400 then they probably won't listen to a competitive declaration later in the day. Maybe Middlesex are thinking if they can demoralise Yorks they can roll them over.
You need to keep me abreast of this people I have a decision to make in the next 6 to 8 hours about 1am Omani time on Friday. It really is in the balance at the moment. At the end of today's play I need to assess the balance of probability of relevant play on Day 4 of these two games.
Yesterday afternoon the loss of wickets for almost nothing put things one way and now Dom Bess has rebalanced them to some extent.
Omanair still have the flight...
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Yesterday afternoon the loss of wickets for almost nothing put things one way and now Dom Bess has rebalanced them to some extent.
Omanair still have the flight...
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@SP it's 216.
Middx managing to bat out the 110 overs with eight down would have been useful.
Now, by my calculations, if Middx can keep Yorkshire to under 350, a win here will get us the title unless Middx go on to win the match (I'm assuming full bowling points for us as if we don't get those we presumably won't win anyway). If Yorks score 350+ and go on to win, the Championship is theirs whatever we do.
If Yorks hadn't got that third bowling point it would have been 400.
Conversely, in the event of a draw at Lord's, a win here will make it our title whatever happens in the Yorkshire innings.
Distinct turn and bounce for our spin twins. Bess (5-5-0-0 at lunch) could have had Moores any number of times.
Middx managing to bat out the 110 overs with eight down would have been useful.
Now, by my calculations, if Middx can keep Yorkshire to under 350, a win here will get us the title unless Middx go on to win the match (I'm assuming full bowling points for us as if we don't get those we presumably won't win anyway). If Yorks score 350+ and go on to win, the Championship is theirs whatever we do.
If Yorks hadn't got that third bowling point it would have been 400.
Conversely, in the event of a draw at Lord's, a win here will make it our title whatever happens in the Yorkshire innings.
Distinct turn and bounce for our spin twins. Bess (5-5-0-0 at lunch) could have had Moores any number of times.
I should like to congratulate our visitors on their level of stoicism, thus far. They are doing Middx proud. Dom Bess looks one hell of a prospect. Nice, high action and a good pivot, gives it a rip and very accurate. Beat Moores 3 times in an over about 15 mins before lunch.
We need a couple of wickets soon or we shall be leaving bowling points on the table.
We need a couple of wickets soon or we shall be leaving bowling points on the table.
We're rattling through the overs, but have to get those 9 wickets before 110 overs.
Worth a bit of variation from each end now?
Worth a bit of variation from each end now?
We're almost one third of the way through the 110 overs.
Time for seam/swing at one end, spin at the other?
Time for seam/swing at one end, spin at the other?
Title momentum swinging towards Middlesex. Need a couple of wickets and some sort of backbone from Yorks..
Patience is key, as our first innings showed.
Anyone at the ground able to comment on the pitch ? Is it only a minefield when the score's on 322 ? Any movement, spin, remote controlled pigeons to distract the batsman ?
Anyone at the ground able to comment on the pitch ? Is it only a minefield when the score's on 322 ? Any movement, spin, remote controlled pigeons to distract the batsman ?
Libby nicked a couple from VDM wide of Tres (both in the same over). And he's just been badly beaten by Jack. Definitely still some turn in the track.
But I think Yorks have given up since they knew that Dizzy was off. They look a pathetic bunch, really.
But I think Yorks have given up since they knew that Dizzy was off. They look a pathetic bunch, really.
If Yorkshire don't show a bit of grit soon they will follow on and what happens at Taunton becomes irrelevant.
Lets finish with a bang regardless. At least we'll come second and we can spend all winter debating the merits of the declaration at home to Middx.
Well done again Dom, let's get another quick couple out.
On Yorkshire - to be fair o them, which is hard I know, they are missing key players. Lehmann gone back home, Bairstow not allowed to play by Strauss (of England and Middlesex!)
On Yorkshire - to be fair o them, which is hard I know, they are missing key players. Lehmann gone back home, Bairstow not allowed to play by Strauss (of England and Middlesex!)
yep, many apologies for not showing any backbone against middlesex....but it has been surgically removed by the ecb.
you guys should not complain too much, just last week, you were the benefactors of the ecb surgeons.....at least you will become runners up.
you guys should not complain too much, just last week, you were the benefactors of the ecb surgeons.....at least you will become runners up.
We can start dreaming of a follow on now. Yorks might avoid theirs as well!
Notts 120 for 6 at tea, SCCC doing all they can do at the moment. Come on lads.
Oh they say love's for gamblers...
- Richard Thompson.
Says it all about following Somerset really.
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Quote:I bet hard on love and I lost everything...Grockle
and the pendulum swings...
- Richard Thompson.
Says it all about following Somerset really.
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yep, many apologies for not showing any backbone against middlesex....but it has been surgically removed by the ecb.
you guys should not complain too much, just last week, you were the benefactors of the ecb surgeons.....at least you will become runners up.
In fairness Yorkie3, "we guys" are not complaining - just one of us who is notorious for making premature, sweeping and over-psychologised judgements.
Good fightback by Bresnan and Hodd, but a long way to go yet.
Splendid afternoon's work from our boys. The stumping of Patel was as slick a piece of work as I've ever seen.
138 all out.
I leave my desk for a few minutes and it's all over for the Notts first innings.
Blinding performance from all the lads!
I leave my desk for a few minutes and it's all over for the Notts first innings.
Blinding performance from all the lads!
We don't want the Yorkies to do too much. As slow 349 all out would do me.
Am I missing something? Why are we batting again? None of the bowlers can be that tired............can they?
As usual, I do not agree with the decision not to enforce the follow-on - Bagpuss may not concur...
I can only assume that they want to bat Notts out of the game, rather than risk a small but awkward run chase on the 4th day with the pitch deteriorating. Also I've just heard on BBC 5L Extra that Hildreth has a fracture so won't bat again.
I would never presume to fathom the mind of an Aussie but given the way Notts batted they might want to let the pitch deteriorate further. Who knows?
One of the other factors is the rate at which we bowled our overs. We have in effect given ourselves 40 or 50 minutes extra tonight to score runs wh8ich won't carry over tomorrow. Yorks showing commendable grit ( anyone in Yorkshire complaining that Hodd is playing instead of Bairstow) but enough is enough and wickets are now allowed to fall...and as I type Hodd goes.
So we have to wait till next year for Marcus to go past the Great Harold Gimblett's record of Somerset hundreds. Oh well.
Ryan showing an idiosyncratic approach to the role of nightwatchman. Funky.
Ryan showing an idiosyncratic approach to the role of nightwatchman. Funky.
Getting a bit nervous of Bresnan and the Yorkies now (great name for a band). They're over half way to the 350 they need to spoil our season.
Getting a bit nervous of Bresnan and the Yorkies now (great name for a band). They're over half way to the 350 they need to spoil our season.
Yep I agree not to enforce follow on.
Not yet a half way point, pitch turning and deteriorating. They have 3 spinners, 2 with international experience plus a tall, test standard quick. Wouldn't fancy chasing 150 on last day (especially starting one batsman down)
Plus keeps them guessing at Lord's. No bad thing.
Not yet a half way point, pitch turning and deteriorating. They have 3 spinners, 2 with international experience plus a tall, test standard quick. Wouldn't fancy chasing 150 on last day (especially starting one batsman down)
Plus keeps them guessing at Lord's. No bad thing.
Would be great if some stato could come up with figures for
a) Teams that have enforced a follow on and lost
b) teams that didn't enforce the follow on and lost
Again though, i feel we are better placed today than we were yesterday! In normal circumstances you would put money on a draw at Lords right now, but of course this is not normal!
a) Teams that have enforced a follow on and lost
b) teams that didn't enforce the follow on and lost
Again though, i feel we are better placed today than we were yesterday! In normal circumstances you would put money on a draw at Lords right now, but of course this is not normal!
Fascinating situation at Lords now.
Assuming Yorks get a lead of circa 50 - 60 runs and are all out around lunchtime tomorrow then they will not have enough bonus points to pip us to the title, but it will put Middx in an interesting situation.
Middx will need to then set an enticing target for Yorks and so will have to go for it for two and a half to three sessions in order to set a target, and still have enough time to bowl Yorkshire out. Yorkshire will, I'm sure still want to win to achieve second place.
It could all work in our favour if Middx lose wickets trying to set a target, or set one too enticing.
Assuming Yorks get a lead of circa 50 - 60 runs and are all out around lunchtime tomorrow then they will not have enough bonus points to pip us to the title, but it will put Middx in an interesting situation.
Middx will need to then set an enticing target for Yorks and so will have to go for it for two and a half to three sessions in order to set a target, and still have enough time to bowl Yorkshire out. Yorkshire will, I'm sure still want to win to achieve second place.
It could all work in our favour if Middx lose wickets trying to set a target, or set one too enticing.
The ebb and flow and twists of this are just brilliant - torture at same time too !!!
I have a suspicion that Ryan Davies' brief was "night watch and score some runs". 90 mins tomorrow, quick from Rogers Trego Overton and VdM.2 wickets before lunch and hope that the new ball at Lord's leaves Yorkshire- who are putting up a spirited performance once the batsmen got out f the way- short of 350.
Great day for us, both at Lord's and Taunton.
Quite happy to acknowledge that Chris Rogers knows a bit more than me about the game, and has a little more experience even if I am about 20 years older - so if he says bat again, we bat again.
Actually beginning to think we have a decent chance now. As Farmer White would say, heart starting to beat a bit faster...
Quite happy to acknowledge that Chris Rogers knows a bit more than me about the game, and has a little more experience even if I am about 20 years older - so if he says bat again, we bat again.
Actually beginning to think we have a decent chance now. As Farmer White would say, heart starting to beat a bit faster...
Fascinating story/rumour/fact/fiction/possibility/probability (you choose!) circulating the ground as Chris Rogers came out to bat this evening with what had rather a `final appearance` feel to it.
The line is that he will be returning to Somerset next summer, but as batting coach (something that would please quite a few posters who have called for one this year). But even more interesting, he would/will bring with him his former Aussie captain Michael Clarke, who retired from all cricket after the 2015 Ashes, but announced in February that he was returning to grade cricket.
Clarke, who is 34 and has said on several occasions that he fancied a stint in English county cricket, would be available all season in all three formats, and would captain the championship side as the overseas player.
What an extra incentive it would be to bring him across to captain the reigning county champions!
The line is that he will be returning to Somerset next summer, but as batting coach (something that would please quite a few posters who have called for one this year). But even more interesting, he would/will bring with him his former Aussie captain Michael Clarke, who retired from all cricket after the 2015 Ashes, but announced in February that he was returning to grade cricket.
Clarke, who is 34 and has said on several occasions that he fancied a stint in English county cricket, would be available all season in all three formats, and would captain the championship side as the overseas player.
What an extra incentive it would be to bring him across to captain the reigning county champions!
Not sure I can take much more of this and it's only Day 2. Just so unsure how it'll pan out at Lords but can't fault our team. 1st or 2nd they've given it a heroic effort these last few games
Well, well, well. Haven't been able to post until now and I don't know where to start.
At the start of play yesterday I think - on what we presume is a spin-friendly wicket - that we'd have settled for 322 for 9. But from 302 for 2 this was the sort of collapse that I grew up with and somehow came as little surprise. Great to get to 350 today and then bowl out Notts cheaply - though I was very surprised at the follow on not being enforced. But the weather forecast is good (not set in stone, I know that) and with three spinners in the fourth innings against a demoralised-and-nothing-to-play-for Notts we should (not will, but 'should') be able to finish them off, And our already thin batting resources are reduced even further in the absence of he-should-have-been-dropped-for-this-game Hildreth, so there is a logic to not wanting to bat fourth on a 'bunsen'. Chris Rogers has got us this far, I think we should give him the benefit of his experience (even if like many of us I'd have put Notts straight back in without a second thought). As for Middx v Yorks, that's out of our hands and with too many variables to ponder...
My 82-year-old father wants to see Somerset win the CC in his lifetime; I didn't think that would happen this year, but there is a chance, which is more than I expected at the beginning of the season (that's a comment about SCCC this season and not my dad's mortality!). My hopes for the year were avoiding relegation (which we've done big time) and a decent run in one of the pyjama cricket contests (ditto).
Fingers crossed etc. And lots of credit to our captain.
At the start of play yesterday I think - on what we presume is a spin-friendly wicket - that we'd have settled for 322 for 9. But from 302 for 2 this was the sort of collapse that I grew up with and somehow came as little surprise. Great to get to 350 today and then bowl out Notts cheaply - though I was very surprised at the follow on not being enforced. But the weather forecast is good (not set in stone, I know that) and with three spinners in the fourth innings against a demoralised-and-nothing-to-play-for Notts we should (not will, but 'should') be able to finish them off, And our already thin batting resources are reduced even further in the absence of he-should-have-been-dropped-for-this-game Hildreth, so there is a logic to not wanting to bat fourth on a 'bunsen'. Chris Rogers has got us this far, I think we should give him the benefit of his experience (even if like many of us I'd have put Notts straight back in without a second thought). As for Middx v Yorks, that's out of our hands and with too many variables to ponder...
My 82-year-old father wants to see Somerset win the CC in his lifetime; I didn't think that would happen this year, but there is a chance, which is more than I expected at the beginning of the season (that's a comment about SCCC this season and not my dad's mortality!). My hopes for the year were avoiding relegation (which we've done big time) and a decent run in one of the pyjama cricket contests (ditto).
Fingers crossed etc. And lots of credit to our captain.
What a great day's play and excellent to see our spinners out bowl the Notts threesome. Apart from the ongoing permutations at Lord's my greatest concern now is that the track matures like the one we had against Hampshire or even Middlesex and dies on days 3/4...
BTW - who saw Dom's interview on the club FB feed? Great interview - he can't disguise how excited he is to be out there, but very level headed. Ace bit at the end about his not so white whites and Trego's opinion on it!
BTW - who saw Dom's interview on the club FB feed? Great interview - he can't disguise how excited he is to be out there, but very level headed. Ace bit at the end about his not so white whites and Trego's opinion on it!
Day two photos.
The day started so well, who would have thought with 28 needed with Jack Leach and Dom Bess at the crease especially after what happened the day before.
Dom Bess played brilliantly to get those 28 runs needed and we mustn't forget Jack Leach for staying with him.
Jake Ball must have thought because Dom Bess was so young he would try and intimidate him with a few short balls, it didn't work and he dealt with them very well.
A very good crowd today to watch the second days play and they wouldn't be disappointed with what they watched, even though Dom Bess is out of focus (the crowd isn't) I had to include Dom Bess hitting a six.
This is one of those photos I am not sure of what happened, was Tom Moores missed by Ryan Davies or did the ball come off the batsman's arm? The bowler was Jack Leach.
A sharp catch by Lewis Gregory at first slip to dismiss Tom Moores off the bowling of Dom Bess.
This is one of those catches you don't see everyday, a return one handed catch by Dom Bess to dismiss Michael Lamb.
A brilliant stumping by Ryan Davies to dismiss Samit Patel, he may have lifted his foot for a second or his foot wasn't behind the line!
Once again Max Waller (sub) excellent fielding caused the downfall of a batsman this time running out Chris Read, although he didn't want to leave the field.
Things kept going Somerset's way when Billy Root was caught by Tom Abell off the bowling of Jack Leach.
Craig Overton had a big smile on his face after catching Matthew Carter off the bowling of Jack Leach.
Jake Ball lbw Dom Bess.
Should we have made Notts follow-on some thought we should have and some thought give the bowlers a rest and make Notts bat last on a wearing pitch.
I can't wait for tomorrow.
The day started so well, who would have thought with 28 needed with Jack Leach and Dom Bess at the crease especially after what happened the day before.
Dom Bess played brilliantly to get those 28 runs needed and we mustn't forget Jack Leach for staying with him.
Jake Ball must have thought because Dom Bess was so young he would try and intimidate him with a few short balls, it didn't work and he dealt with them very well.
A very good crowd today to watch the second days play and they wouldn't be disappointed with what they watched, even though Dom Bess is out of focus (the crowd isn't) I had to include Dom Bess hitting a six.
This is one of those photos I am not sure of what happened, was Tom Moores missed by Ryan Davies or did the ball come off the batsman's arm? The bowler was Jack Leach.
A sharp catch by Lewis Gregory at first slip to dismiss Tom Moores off the bowling of Dom Bess.
This is one of those catches you don't see everyday, a return one handed catch by Dom Bess to dismiss Michael Lamb.
A brilliant stumping by Ryan Davies to dismiss Samit Patel, he may have lifted his foot for a second or his foot wasn't behind the line!
Once again Max Waller (sub) excellent fielding caused the downfall of a batsman this time running out Chris Read, although he didn't want to leave the field.
Things kept going Somerset's way when Billy Root was caught by Tom Abell off the bowling of Jack Leach.
Craig Overton had a big smile on his face after catching Matthew Carter off the bowling of Jack Leach.
Jake Ball lbw Dom Bess.
Should we have made Notts follow-on some thought we should have and some thought give the bowlers a rest and make Notts bat last on a wearing pitch.
I can't wait for tomorrow.
This has the taste of Chester le Street 2010 about it. The issue, then as now, is not yet in our hands. As then, it may be more informative to spend tomorrow morning watching the other match on TV than our own from the stands. Swap the Durham Members Lounge and Lancs v Notts for our County Room or Stragglers and Middlesex v Yorks. And pace up and down with increasing intensity the closer Yorks get to 350 as we did then the closer Notts got to 400.
It seems that Yorkshire have answered my question of this morning better than Middlesex. Their middle order has, so far, been more than adequate to the task. Only 35 behind Middlesex and only 115 away from a fourth batting point with 41 of the 110 overs remaining.
They came up on the rails to take the second and third bowling points and are positioning themselves to do the same with batting points 2-4. It looks as if that has been what they have been batting for even from 32-3. In this day and age 115 from 41 overs with 4 wickets lefts is perfectly achievable. Ask our lower order. Only Finn and Co and the new ball in 19 overs stand in their way. The impetus is with Yorks now and we are dependent upon Middlesex to stop it and not gain impetus of their own in the process. It has been Yorkshire's day at Lords as it has ours at Taunton. The question of which turns out to be the more important still hangs heavy in the air like cumulo-nimbus over a garden fete.
So we are nearer to the denouement of this great drama but no nearer knowing what it will be.
And so to tomorrow. Yorks may get their points or Middlesex may stop them. Whoever wins that skirmish we need the other to re-engage and stand firm against the charge that will surely follow. Two days of charge and counter charge until we know if Somerset's encirclement of Nottinghamshire is successfuland if it is whether it was enough.
Our heroes on Day 1 were two old hands, Rogers and especially Hildreth for one of the all time great Somerset innings. Our heroes on Day 2 were two young blades, Bess and Leach, with more markers for the future and who may yet leave a mark on this Championship. Tomorrow our heroes may be Finn and Murtagh for turning the Yorkshire tide though take an hour or so about it please. In these matches in this Championship Friday is far to far in the future to know if we shall have more heroes to cheer or just next year.
Oh ECB you know not what you do when you meddle with this jewel.
It seems that Yorkshire have answered my question of this morning better than Middlesex. Their middle order has, so far, been more than adequate to the task. Only 35 behind Middlesex and only 115 away from a fourth batting point with 41 of the 110 overs remaining.
They came up on the rails to take the second and third bowling points and are positioning themselves to do the same with batting points 2-4. It looks as if that has been what they have been batting for even from 32-3. In this day and age 115 from 41 overs with 4 wickets lefts is perfectly achievable. Ask our lower order. Only Finn and Co and the new ball in 19 overs stand in their way. The impetus is with Yorks now and we are dependent upon Middlesex to stop it and not gain impetus of their own in the process. It has been Yorkshire's day at Lords as it has ours at Taunton. The question of which turns out to be the more important still hangs heavy in the air like cumulo-nimbus over a garden fete.
So we are nearer to the denouement of this great drama but no nearer knowing what it will be.
And so to tomorrow. Yorks may get their points or Middlesex may stop them. Whoever wins that skirmish we need the other to re-engage and stand firm against the charge that will surely follow. Two days of charge and counter charge until we know if Somerset's encirclement of Nottinghamshire is successfuland if it is whether it was enough.
Our heroes on Day 1 were two old hands, Rogers and especially Hildreth for one of the all time great Somerset innings. Our heroes on Day 2 were two young blades, Bess and Leach, with more markers for the future and who may yet leave a mark on this Championship. Tomorrow our heroes may be Finn and Murtagh for turning the Yorkshire tide though take an hour or so about it please. In these matches in this Championship Friday is far to far in the future to know if we shall have more heroes to cheer or just next year.
Oh ECB you know not what you do when you meddle with this jewel.
Two important questions:
Where's Farmer White been all my life?
And do people sit directly opposite Mike deliberately to become some of the most photographed cricket fans in the world?
Where's Farmer White been all my life?
And do people sit directly opposite Mike deliberately to become some of the most photographed cricket fans in the world?
What a day!
A few reflections:
Dom Simply the Bess batted superbly this morning - such a mature head on young shoulders. He kept his cool in very tense circumstances and the push for two which secured our fourth batting point could be the most valuable runs he ever scores for Somerset - though he is surely a number 7 in the making for us and, perhaps, at a higher level.
During the third wicket partnership, it did look as if we might struggle to take wickets. But Bess made the breakthrough - the left-handed return catch off a leading edge from Lumb was brilliant (I was looking on the ground, expecting the ball to have bounced down).
As mikeindex said, Davies' stumping was lightning quick. In my view, Davies (while still a work in progress) has more raw talent than any 'keeper during my time watching Somerset (I didn't see Stephenson or Bates).
Some very good catches from Abell and Cove.
A great run-out by Waller and Davies. Read hung around so long after being given out that it might be construed as dissent (though I suspect that the umpires will be merciful). But someone who saw a replay said that it looked out.
My initial view was that we should have enforced the follow-on. But having spoken with wiser heads (including Baggers), I now think it was the right decision - largely for the reasons she gives.
Some nice batting in the evening, including from Davies (who I wouldn't regard as a night-watchman - I suspect that he would have batted there even if we had lost our second wicket a few minutes earlier).
Some great company, once again.
I'm confident that we will win. We have to hope for favourable developments at Lord's.
Mañana
A few reflections:
Dom Simply the Bess batted superbly this morning - such a mature head on young shoulders. He kept his cool in very tense circumstances and the push for two which secured our fourth batting point could be the most valuable runs he ever scores for Somerset - though he is surely a number 7 in the making for us and, perhaps, at a higher level.
During the third wicket partnership, it did look as if we might struggle to take wickets. But Bess made the breakthrough - the left-handed return catch off a leading edge from Lumb was brilliant (I was looking on the ground, expecting the ball to have bounced down).
As mikeindex said, Davies' stumping was lightning quick. In my view, Davies (while still a work in progress) has more raw talent than any 'keeper during my time watching Somerset (I didn't see Stephenson or Bates).
Some very good catches from Abell and Cove.
A great run-out by Waller and Davies. Read hung around so long after being given out that it might be construed as dissent (though I suspect that the umpires will be merciful). But someone who saw a replay said that it looked out.
My initial view was that we should have enforced the follow-on. But having spoken with wiser heads (including Baggers), I now think it was the right decision - largely for the reasons she gives.
Some nice batting in the evening, including from Davies (who I wouldn't regard as a night-watchman - I suspect that he would have batted there even if we had lost our second wicket a few minutes earlier).
Some great company, once again.
I'm confident that we will win. We have to hope for favourable developments at Lord's.
Mañana
I think the new ball will be crucial at Lords in the morning. That is why I think/hope that Yorks will "only" get a lead of circa 50, thereby missing the bonus point they need, but giving Middlesex an interesting problem in how they go about trying to force a win from that position in 5 sessions.
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The question of which turns out to be the more important still hangs heavy in the air like cumulo-nimbus over a garden fete.
So we are nearer to the denouement of this great drama but no nearer knowing what it will be ...
Oh ECB you know not what you do when you meddle with this jewel.
Splendid words indeed.
Great performance from the Jack and Dom, Dom and Jack show again.
With an Australian Captain, it was never very likely that we would enforce the follow-on, though I would certainly have done so and Notts looked demoralised and the chances of them making even 300 (which would mean a lead of only about 80 or so looked slim indeed).
But the biggest reason that I would have put Notts back in would have been the nagging fear that exists at Taunton that the track might become less responsive on the final day, rather than more responsive.
I also thought that Notts would dawdle through the final session, bowling only the bare minimum of overs that they could get away with but, to be fair to them, they did not.
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With an Australian Captain, it was never very likely that we would enforce the follow-on, though I would certainly have done so and Notts looked demoralised and the chances of them making even 300 (which would mean a lead of only about 80 or so looked slim indeed).
But the biggest reason that I would have put Notts back in would have been the nagging fear that exists at Taunton that the track might become less responsive on the final day, rather than more responsive.
I also thought that Notts would dawdle through the final session, bowling only the bare minimum of overs that they could get away with but, to be fair to them, they did not.
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Re: the Read run out - it did not look remotely out to me and I was at square-leg.. most around me thought the same. However, a guy behind me reckoned that Read did not ground his bat.... which would be fairly extraordinary from such an experienced player. As the throw came in, it was obvious that a direct hit would have been out, but the throw was not very close to the stumps and I cannot understand how he could have been out unless the person sat behind me was right and he did not bother to ground his bat.
Samit was also dis-pleased with the decision viz the stumping.
Samit was also dis-pleased with the decision viz the stumping.
As for Michael Clarke?
He might be, theoretically, "available all season," but a cursory look at his medical history would strongly suggest that he would miss lots of time with his bad back.
He might be, theoretically, "available all season," but a cursory look at his medical history would strongly suggest that he would miss lots of time with his bad back.
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Re: the Read run out - it did not look remotely out to me and I was at square-leg.. most around me thought the same. However, a guy behind me reckoned that Read did not ground his bat.... which would be fairly extraordinary from such an experienced player. As the throw came in, it was obvious that a direct hit would have been out, but the throw was not very close to the stumps and I cannot understand how he could have been out unless the person sat behind me was right and he did not bother to ground his bat.
Samit was also dis-pleased with the decision viz the stumping.
The two BBC radio commentators had seen video footage of both dismissals during the tea interval and said that both were excellent decisions from the umpire. I believe it was the same umpire that gave both decisions.
I think Rogers will retire but, as I understand it, he has no family in terms of wife/kids etc so he may not, necessarily, want to go back to Oz and stay there.
With regard to Samit's dismissal if you enlarge the photo on the Club Twitter account his foot is clearly NOT behind the line.
While Read might not have been happy, right or wrong, the scorecard shows he was out, the umpire thought he was out, he was closer than any of the spectators.
Apart from the Negatives AGod, did you manage to see any positives in your visit to Taunton.
As far as Chris Rogers coming back as Captain, we were told on Tuesday, that Chris has yet to confirm either way, but will do so by November.
While Read might not have been happy, right or wrong, the scorecard shows he was out, the umpire thought he was out, he was closer than any of the spectators.
Apart from the Negatives AGod, did you manage to see any positives in your visit to Taunton.
As far as Chris Rogers coming back as Captain, we were told on Tuesday, that Chris has yet to confirm either way, but will do so by November.
The latest table. [www.espncricinfo.com]
We will be up the top sometime in the next two days, the hardest part is staying there.
We will be up the top sometime in the next two days, the hardest part is staying there.
Try reading my post, Roger, or do you have severe reading comprehension problems?
As I said "It was great to watch the Dom and Jack/ Jack and Dom show.
I did not mention any "negatives," relation to our performance today.
I suggest you develop the ability to read.
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As I said "It was great to watch the Dom and Jack/ Jack and Dom show.
I did not mention any "negatives," relation to our performance today.
I suggest you develop the ability to read.
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Somebody sat around me today said that, at the Q and A the other day, MM said that SD will keep in red-ball cricket next season.
Many thanks for your comment AGod, but bit late for me to go back to the classroom I fear.
I suppose really it would be good to see more than the occasional one-liner on the positives, and paragraphs on the negatives.
But there you go.
I suppose really it would be good to see more than the occasional one-liner on the positives, and paragraphs on the negatives.
But there you go.
I'll say it again, I did not mention any negatives about our performance, nevermind paragraphs of them.
I'll say it for the third time today: It was great to watch our spinners who bosled very well. As I said earlier I thought Notts batted very sensibly in the early going. And I really like Bess's action as well as what he actually delivers.
I'll say it for the third time today: It was great to watch our spinners who bosled very well. As I said earlier I thought Notts batted very sensibly in the early going. And I really like Bess's action as well as what he actually delivers.
I happened to be standing next to a BBC cameraman on the terrace in the New Pav, who kindly re-ran the run-out in his viewfinder in slow motion. While it was an extremely close decision, the replay very much suggests the umpire got it right.
ICYMI - Rod1883 mentioned it in passing around the time of the innings break, diagnostic imaging confirmed what we all suspected, that yesterday James Hildreth batted for over four hours, accruing 128 runs, with a broken ankle.
He'll be out for several months, although the club did tweet that he'd bat in the second innings if needed(!).
Give this man the freedom of Taunton.
He'll be out for several months, although the club did tweet that he'd bat in the second innings if needed(!).
Give this man the freedom of Taunton.
Bagpuss, I hope you've checked with Agod that the ankle was broken, it looked like it was only slightly bruised from where he was sat.
OK then people. The chances of this game going past midday on Friday. Presently the bones say we have a significant chance of doing this but the chances of that happening before the end of today is also seemingly a possibility.
That would mean that my possible arrival in the UK tomorrow morning at 6:20 and Taunton at about 12:00 would be pretty bloody pointless as our part of the deed would already be done.
That would mean that my possible arrival in the UK tomorrow morning at 6:20 and Taunton at about 12:00 would be pretty bloody pointless as our part of the deed would already be done.
Fantastic day by the sound of it.
Really can't ask any more from our team, who have performed admirably and with increasing confidence (even in the face of bad spells, as yesterday), since the Surrey game, which I think was the turning point of our season.
Fate has placed me in the remote NW corner of Canada this week, and to my great regret, logistics prevent me from getting to HQ for what promises to be two days of a pulsating and nerve jangling championship climax.
To add insult to injury, I am travelling in an area not well served by internet connectivity, meaning that when I left our Hotel today, I felt uneasy that Notts were only two down. A couple of hours later, a breakfast stop meant I could get the very welcome update that they were all out for 138. For some reason, the local rig workers and highway crews tucking into their carb laden breakfast specials at the Teslin RV & Gas station, Yukon territory, seemed somewhat ambivolent at my excitment re events at HQ.
If only they knew how important this is !
Feel really chuffed at how things are going. We are building something special at Somerset, and the prospect of seeing Jack & Dom bowling in tandem for many seasons to come is one that we can all surely look forward to (well unless the ECB manage to skewer the Championship altogether).
As for our Championship prospects, who knows. Perhaps Mr Bresnan alone.
If we do manage to beat Notts on Thursday, or eary Friday, it will set up a very interesting scenario at Lord's, albeit no doubt a strange one at Taunton, as supporters will be left huddled around tv screens etc. to follow events at Lord's.
Not sure when I will next be able to get a connection, but likely not until at least tea time tomorrow.By which time, all will have become clear. Or perhaps not..............
Best of luck all !
Grizzzly
P.S. Enjoy Farmer White's contributions. Is he by any chance related to one VJM ?
Really can't ask any more from our team, who have performed admirably and with increasing confidence (even in the face of bad spells, as yesterday), since the Surrey game, which I think was the turning point of our season.
Fate has placed me in the remote NW corner of Canada this week, and to my great regret, logistics prevent me from getting to HQ for what promises to be two days of a pulsating and nerve jangling championship climax.
To add insult to injury, I am travelling in an area not well served by internet connectivity, meaning that when I left our Hotel today, I felt uneasy that Notts were only two down. A couple of hours later, a breakfast stop meant I could get the very welcome update that they were all out for 138. For some reason, the local rig workers and highway crews tucking into their carb laden breakfast specials at the Teslin RV & Gas station, Yukon territory, seemed somewhat ambivolent at my excitment re events at HQ.
If only they knew how important this is !
Feel really chuffed at how things are going. We are building something special at Somerset, and the prospect of seeing Jack & Dom bowling in tandem for many seasons to come is one that we can all surely look forward to (well unless the ECB manage to skewer the Championship altogether).
As for our Championship prospects, who knows. Perhaps Mr Bresnan alone.
If we do manage to beat Notts on Thursday, or eary Friday, it will set up a very interesting scenario at Lord's, albeit no doubt a strange one at Taunton, as supporters will be left huddled around tv screens etc. to follow events at Lord's.
Not sure when I will next be able to get a connection, but likely not until at least tea time tomorrow.By which time, all will have become clear. Or perhaps not..............
Best of luck all !
Grizzzly
P.S. Enjoy Farmer White's contributions. Is he by any chance related to one VJM ?
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Feel really chuffed at how things are going. We are building something special at Somerset, and the prospect of seeing Jack & Dom bowling in tandem for many seasons to come is one that we can all surely look forward to (well unless the ECB manage to skewer the Championship altogether).
Alternatively, who knows, we may be denied the services of one or both through the ECB central contracting system - though not, of course, till after Batty has retired and Ansari got injured again.
BBC R4 Today programme has decided Yorks aren't getting 350. They just called that Somerset look like getting the win that delivers the title, 'unless Middlesex beat Yorks'.
I said yesterday that I thought the fact that we were ahead of the over rate helped in the non follow on. So far the 2 days have seen 201 overs plus 2 inter innings breaks, and finishes on time. Compared with late finishes to bowl 192 both teams must be commended.
Nailsea, one of the first things I learnt during my radiology training was when it comes to xrays, for an accurate diagnosis, two views from different angles are essential.
I ask the Chairman if the club had any bravery medals, I said if they have give one to James Hildreth.
Re: Leach and Bess.... we cannot control the machinations of idiot England selectors. If they want to keep picking low, low quality players from Surrey, then let them.
What we can attempt to control is our pitches and our strategy around them. It will be clear that we have hit on absolutely the right approach in the second half of this season.
Obviously, it may be more difficult earlier in the season (although with our super-duper, far too effective new drainage system, possibly not??? After all, Taunton had a reputation has a quick drying ground *before* the new system was installed so it may be that we are going to be left with a persistently very dry square - if so, so much the better) but we must try to do all that we can to prepare pitches for the benefit of these two SUPERB young players for the forseeable (unless and until England take them).
Even with the benefit of hindsight (and a 10 wicket win in our pockets) I would still have picked Bess for Leeds too - he is just so accurate and gives it a tweak and with all those southpaws that Yorks had (and some other teams have too..)
Incidentally, I do find myself wondering whether we would have alighted on this strategy had CR's "gamble," vs Middx worked.. I refer not to the declaration but to the pitch gamble. Had we beaten Middlesex, would we have felt emboldened to try to repeat the green strip as our "attempt to make Taunton results friendly," approach? We should, perhaps, be thankful to Harry Podmore for his excellent bowling in that first innings...
What we can attempt to control is our pitches and our strategy around them. It will be clear that we have hit on absolutely the right approach in the second half of this season.
Obviously, it may be more difficult earlier in the season (although with our super-duper, far too effective new drainage system, possibly not??? After all, Taunton had a reputation has a quick drying ground *before* the new system was installed so it may be that we are going to be left with a persistently very dry square - if so, so much the better) but we must try to do all that we can to prepare pitches for the benefit of these two SUPERB young players for the forseeable (unless and until England take them).
Even with the benefit of hindsight (and a 10 wicket win in our pockets) I would still have picked Bess for Leeds too - he is just so accurate and gives it a tweak and with all those southpaws that Yorks had (and some other teams have too..)
Incidentally, I do find myself wondering whether we would have alighted on this strategy had CR's "gamble," vs Middx worked.. I refer not to the declaration but to the pitch gamble. Had we beaten Middlesex, would we have felt emboldened to try to repeat the green strip as our "attempt to make Taunton results friendly," approach? We should, perhaps, be thankful to Harry Podmore for his excellent bowling in that first innings...
Yes, GM, Notts are to be commended re: over-rate - it would have been easy for them to lollygag through the match. We'd have to have been half-wits not to have got through our overs!
Whilst he had his struggles, at times, I have to say I was impressed with young Jake Libby yesterday. He looked very well organised and composed.
I'm afraid to say that Mr Moores, junior, another young player looked rather out of his depth vs Dom.
I'm afraid to say that Mr Moores, junior, another young player looked rather out of his depth vs Dom.
So
If Yorkshire get 350 and BEAT Middlesex it is over (Unlikely on play at present)
If Middlesex BEAT Yorkshire it is over (Unlikely with play at present without some kind of deal between the skippers)
If we BEAT Notts and the other two draw (without Yorks getting 350) we take the title?
If We beat Notts TODAY... it is all over in terms of Taunton (for me because there will be no play at Taunton tomorrow)
I have up to 9:00pm my time to decide whether I move West in time to get to Taunton about 12:00 tomorrow.
Is that the present situation or are there other combinations?
Exciting isn't it!!!
If Yorkshire get 350 and BEAT Middlesex it is over (Unlikely on play at present)
If Middlesex BEAT Yorkshire it is over (Unlikely with play at present without some kind of deal between the skippers)
If we BEAT Notts and the other two draw (without Yorks getting 350) we take the title?
If We beat Notts TODAY... it is all over in terms of Taunton (for me because there will be no play at Taunton tomorrow)
I have up to 9:00pm my time to decide whether I move West in time to get to Taunton about 12:00 tomorrow.
Is that the present situation or are there other combinations?
Exciting isn't it!!!
Whatever the outcome of the season. It's safe to say what our priority should be moving forward. I used to envy Surrey with saqlain and salisbury. I'd love to see something similar to develop here.
Teams used to love walking out to bat at taunton, it's now one of the most feared grounds in the country!
Teams used to love walking out to bat at taunton, it's now one of the most feared grounds in the country!
You could almost smell The anxiety yesterday, MB.
One other thought re Michael Clarke rumour - he's no more a number 3 than S Davies is - so If Rogers goes and Clarke is the replacement then who would bat at three? I guess Mybs is a potential answer. In That scenario then Pete could be squeezed out altogether, assuming That Clarke, Hildreth, Davies would all play.
Re: Hildreth...Great courage from him. But I'm quite surprised that, in this day and age, The club did not force him to go off for an x-ray and even more surprised That they may allow him to bat today (post confirmation of fracture). I'm thankful That they didn't make him go off in The first innings But I think we'd be insane to have him bat today Not Least because one imagines That we already have more than enough runs..
One other thought re Michael Clarke rumour - he's no more a number 3 than S Davies is - so If Rogers goes and Clarke is the replacement then who would bat at three? I guess Mybs is a potential answer. In That scenario then Pete could be squeezed out altogether, assuming That Clarke, Hildreth, Davies would all play.
Re: Hildreth...Great courage from him. But I'm quite surprised that, in this day and age, The club did not force him to go off for an x-ray and even more surprised That they may allow him to bat today (post confirmation of fracture). I'm thankful That they didn't make him go off in The first innings But I think we'd be insane to have him bat today Not Least because one imagines That we already have more than enough runs..
Lollygag ??? Where did you get that one from Aggy? Or which century, love it.
If the other two draw and we win we take the title regardless of bonus points.
If Yorkshire score less than 350 but go on to win, and we win, we still take the title.
If Yorkshire score less than 350 but go on to win, and we win, we still take the title.
Thanks Mike. Then it's down to whether today is a 3 day victory @ Taunton or Yorkshire get to that 350. Much appreciated.
Then whether the flight is still there of course
Then whether the flight is still there of course
Yorkshire really going for it 272-6 after 77 overs, 2 ahead of Middx.
We really need Compton to stop dropping catches (two now in the innings) and the new ball in three overs time to do something.
We really need Compton to stop dropping catches (two now in the innings) and the new ball in three overs time to do something.
I think we may declare At 12?
We could use a couple of wkts with The second new ball At Lord's.
We could use a couple of wkts with The second new ball At Lord's.
Rafiq has looked like getting out every ball this morning, esp v Finn. If their luck continues, Yorks will walk this ☹️
Has strauss had a word to butter up Yorkshire. Come on Sex take some catches
We did the right thing by Compo and let him leave, now he MUST do the right thing by us and bat for hours and hours and hours and score naff all! That's sorted then - a nailed on draw...
What could possibly go wrong?
What could possibly go wrong?
Very sunny forecast for Lord's - should be benign batting conditions.
Our innings has, surely, gone on for long enough?
I want this wrapped up today in case track dies tomorrow.
Our innings has, surely, gone on for long enough?
I want this wrapped up today in case track dies tomorrow.
The prospect of crushing disappointment was almost easier to deal with than the hope that the Yorkshire wicket falling brings!
Declaration at lunch to avoid losing time from the game I would have thought, although I'm not sure that time really comes into it.
More likely CR wants his 100
More likely CR wants his 100
8 down at Lords now, 17 more runs for that batting point needed!
Lunch being taken.
Lunch being taken.
Whist Yorkshire are depressingly near their 4th batting BP there may be a silver lining that both sides have everything to play for and everything to lose. Our main hope is that Middx are then too cautious and bat on too long to give Yorks the chance of victory they need.
Clutching at straws I know, but at least they are still there to be clutched at.
Clutching at straws I know, but at least they are still there to be clutched at.
And as I grasp at false hope a wicket goes down in the last over before lunch at Lords. Come on Middx (for now) ...
I'd have liked to see a declaration half an hour earlier, but it's extremely unlikely to make a difference barring a drastic and unpredicted change in the weather. I guess the later declaration improves the game's chances of going into the fourth day and swelling the bar takings!
I would rather Yorks get 350 otherwise they may fall away badly in the match if nowt riding on it for them.
ff: no, I believe they have to win the game as well.
Hard to see Middx winning from here, I think.
Hard to see Middx winning from here, I think.
How about this for a thought, it isn't in Somerset's best interest to run through Notts too quickly. The thought process being this, if tomorrow Middlesex are batting and know they need to win because Somerset have already won it will impact on any declaration figure. If they think a draw will do they can bat Yorkshire out of this.
Yorks still have to win if they do get 350.
My concern is a contrived finish between them whereby one gets a win and so pip's us.
If Yorks don't get 350 then that scenario is out and Middx have the problem of how to win in less than 5 sessions with a deficit on 1st innings.
My concern is a contrived finish between them whereby one gets a win and so pip's us.
If Yorks don't get 350 then that scenario is out and Middx have the problem of how to win in less than 5 sessions with a deficit on 1st innings.
Sidebottom plumb lbw - not given! Edit - oops, BBC commentators have changed their minds, he wasn't out.
Now off for light at Lords with Yorks on 349-9
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Now off for light at Lords with Yorks on 349-9
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This is a fine knock from Bresnan. I think they will get the run-especially after the not given LBW which had nothing wrong with it- which means it had to be a draw. With time now out of the game again it will take Middlesex until well into the evening session to attain parity which they must do without risks. Then what, 100 overs and the fewer the number the more difficult the decision. Incidentally the scorebard at Lord's was showing overrate at minus 6.
I'm afraid I'm a bit doom and gloom here now.To me it's all down to this next run for Yorks. If they get it we will have a situation where Middx andr Yorks must go for it. Then come 5 o'clock tomorrow if Yorks are nine down with 50 or even a hundred to get they must still give it a go , they only have place money to lose.It may be that the weather is our only hope .And I'm usually a glass half full man.
Assuming the Yorkies get their extra run we could end up with a very contrived finish at Lords to ensure a winner. Could be junk bowling from Yorks to allow Middx to set a target and then a contrived run chase with lots of risk taken. Not feeling very optimistic now.
My concern now is that Yorks get the run, then Middx have a wobble at the start of the second innings so, at the end of today/start of tomorrow they are effectively 0 for 4 having only managed to eliminate the first innings deficit for the loss of 4. Then in the first session and a half tomorrow they only get another 100 to 150 or so, giving Yorks an easy chase in the last two sessions.
If Yorks don't get that vital run, the above scenario isn't an issue for us.
If Yorks don't get that vital run, the above scenario isn't an issue for us.
Alternatively, they lose 20+ overs now, with a bit of bad light, Yorks get a lead of 75-100, Middx don't collapse but realise they can't win in the time available on that pitch, so just block it out.
Been no thunder in my part of NE London - but looking dark. And rain spots on the Lords camera.
Sky commentators doing everything they can to talk down Somerset's chances.....TV is now on mute until play resumes.
Sadly I fear as some above that we will lose our title chance because of an entirely contrived finish at Lords - which stinks but is part of the game of CC cricket I guess !
None the less well done to everyone at the club for getting us so close - if only.......................!!
None the less well done to everyone at the club for getting us so close - if only.......................!!
Brief log on. Middlesex 349-9 & rain.
Unbelievable.
And the ECB want to change the format of this beautiful competition !
Six hours before I can log in again.
Tension is not good for the soul.
Grizzzly
Unbelievable.
And the ECB want to change the format of this beautiful competition !
Six hours before I can log in again.
Tension is not good for the soul.
Grizzzly
I too fear a contrived set up at Lords as I said above rodders.
However, and a couple of big if's here - IF by some miracle Yorks don't get that run, then Middx somehow have to force a win and could end up losing, but it won't matter.
Or IF Yorks get the 4th batting bonus and then a few more runs - say a first innings lead of 90-100 then if I were Yorks, I wouldn't want to contrive anything, not initially anyway, and see if they could get Middx 4 or 5 down before the deficit is cleared.
That second scenario is my main fear now.
However, and a couple of big if's here - IF by some miracle Yorks don't get that run, then Middx somehow have to force a win and could end up losing, but it won't matter.
Or IF Yorks get the 4th batting bonus and then a few more runs - say a first innings lead of 90-100 then if I were Yorks, I wouldn't want to contrive anything, not initially anyway, and see if they could get Middx 4 or 5 down before the deficit is cleared.
That second scenario is my main fear now.
The weather may have a say on that Rodders and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it but beat Notts here.
I wouldn't give up just yet. You've done that quite a few times this season and Somerset haven't.
I wouldn't give up just yet. You've done that quite a few times this season and Somerset haven't.
Am I right that now whoever wins at Lord's will win the CC1? Our only option is that there is a draw?
If the match is a tie, don't Middlesex and Somerset both end up on 226, but Somerset win by 6 wins to 5?
Cheers SLC. Then with hope in my heart but the money still in my pocket I stay here and listen avidly. There will not be enough cricket to be played tomorrow I think for 9000 mile trip AND the result will be determined at Lord's where a result for one side or the other is the most predictable finish.
What great anticipation there has been in the last three days.
I would not have even considered the money had the opportunity been there to be in Taunton at the end of Day 4 with people I have appreciated over the last half a century as fellow supporters of God's Own County.
But watching the event finish on a TV in a bar I can do here thinking of you all and hoping it turns out the way we all hope.
The prayer mat will be out.
What great anticipation there has been in the last three days.
I would not have even considered the money had the opportunity been there to be in Taunton at the end of Day 4 with people I have appreciated over the last half a century as fellow supporters of God's Own County.
But watching the event finish on a TV in a bar I can do here thinking of you all and hoping it turns out the way we all hope.
The prayer mat will be out.
The longer Yorks bat the more downbeat Middx will get.This could manifest itself in them giving up ... or in them becoming belligerent and blocking out just to stop losing the title on their own ground. Could be blocker Compton to the rescue.
Looks like we should be leaders in the club house
Middlesex could struggle to set a target and perish trying to do so
Middlesex could struggle to set a target and dig in
Middlesex could offer up a sporting declaration enabling all 3 results
Doesn't look as if the weather should play a big part
Middlesex could struggle to set a target and perish trying to do so
Middlesex could struggle to set a target and dig in
Middlesex could offer up a sporting declaration enabling all 3 results
Doesn't look as if the weather should play a big part
Well if they let Yorkshire get away how are they possibly going to win the game
That one down didn't take long. All credit to the Yorkshire tail who did what our tail has done on several occasions to make today possible. I think a draw is unlikely but at the beginning of the season would have settled for a competitive second place.
Middlesex 2-2 
Well done Compo.
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Ditto re the second place (even if I do really, really want Somerset to win). We wanted Yorks to show some mettle yesterday to avoid getting rolled over, and they did that big time; now we need Middx to show some. This was always a possible scenario when we went into the final game a point behind the team in second (if I remember rightly). Looks like that single point could ultimately prove decisive. Considering that quite a few Grockle posters were predicting relegation - or at least a relegation battle - earlier in the season, finishing so strongly whatever the final outcome has been a fantastic achievement. On paper I never thought we'd be challenging, as we look a little thin in resources throughout the team (apart from, apparently, spin bowling), which shows you what I know!
Still hoping...
Still hoping...
Hopefully this has taken any thoughts of winning away from Middlesex, now hopefully they can bat 3 sessions.
First he drops a catch and then scores little. You could have repaid us a little better Nick. At this rate it won't need a contrived finish.
While I am still daring to dream - it's getting harder.
I echo sfwithers thoughts, what an amazing second half of the season we have had. Lets enjoy that fact and cling to the thought that maybe a way to get results at HQ has been located.
I echo sfwithers thoughts, what an amazing second half of the season we have had. Lets enjoy that fact and cling to the thought that maybe a way to get results at HQ has been located.
Whatever happens, Somerset have been brilliant especially as the season as gone on. The players have been a credit to their county but sadly virtue doesn't win titles.
Now entirely dependent on how Middlesex do I suppose. Not holding my breath there as at times they have played almost as though they didn't want to win the title (Although of course Yorkshire have had a part to play in that!)
There were any number of so-called professional pundits who said at the start of the season that Somerset were a nailed-on certainty for relegation. A plague on all their houses as we have proved them wrong.
Now entirely dependent on how Middlesex do I suppose. Not holding my breath there as at times they have played almost as though they didn't want to win the title (Although of course Yorkshire have had a part to play in that!)
There were any number of so-called professional pundits who said at the start of the season that Somerset were a nailed-on certainty for relegation. A plague on all their houses as we have proved them wrong.
Well done boys on a magnificent season whatever happens at Lord's tomorrow - one in the eye for the doom-and-gloom merchants, especially those who profess to be Somerset supporters.
It was lovely to see all the team congratulating the ground staff at the end, following with a very emotional lap of honour joined by Hildy on his crutches and Jamie in his shorts (doubtless clocked by Bagpuss).
Marcus clambering over the hoardings to be photographed in front of his own stand... Player of the Year and Rookie of the Year taking a detour for handshakes and hugs with the crowd... I wasn't close enough to the Caddyshack to hear the Blackbird Song but I'm sure it was sung with more than usual gusto, which is saying a lot.
I find it hard to imagine a contrived finish at Lord's as Middlesex are so far behind and Yorkshire, obviously, have an excellent chance of winning just by bowling well. Here's hoping the prospect of second place, coupled of course with sheer professionalism, brings the best out of Middlesex tomorrow.
If they seem to be making a fight of it come mid-afternoon, say, I'll be making my way in to watch on the big screen in the Stragglers. Maybe see one or two of you there.
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It was lovely to see all the team congratulating the ground staff at the end, following with a very emotional lap of honour joined by Hildy on his crutches and Jamie in his shorts (doubtless clocked by Bagpuss).
Marcus clambering over the hoardings to be photographed in front of his own stand... Player of the Year and Rookie of the Year taking a detour for handshakes and hugs with the crowd... I wasn't close enough to the Caddyshack to hear the Blackbird Song but I'm sure it was sung with more than usual gusto, which is saying a lot.
I find it hard to imagine a contrived finish at Lord's as Middlesex are so far behind and Yorkshire, obviously, have an excellent chance of winning just by bowling well. Here's hoping the prospect of second place, coupled of course with sheer professionalism, brings the best out of Middlesex tomorrow.
If they seem to be making a fight of it come mid-afternoon, say, I'll be making my way in to watch on the big screen in the Stragglers. Maybe see one or two of you there.
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Thanks for your efforts Chris Rogers. Two centuries is a pretty good way to finish! Two centuries and the title would be fantastic!
I don't think we can get too uptight about the batting point missed in the first innings, but we probably should have picked up a few more batting points over the season which would see us more confident going in to tomorrow.
I don't think we can get too uptight about the batting point missed in the first innings, but we probably should have picked up a few more batting points over the season which would see us more confident going in to tomorrow.
Just a thought - hypothetical I know - but if we had not had the big collapse in first innings and had got max batting points, then max bowling points as we then did, Yorkshire knowing that they could not then win the title assuming we won, maybe they would not have battled so hard yesterday and this morning to keep their hopes alive, and Middlesex would possibly have won the game and title.
I know I'm still daring to hope,and clutching at straws, but could that missed batting point actually turn out to be what wins the title for us?
Sorry guys: just went through this again and realised I got the points at the start of the game the wrong way round, and typed all this for nothing.
Could still be an exciting end....
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I know I'm still daring to hope,and clutching at straws, but could that missed batting point actually turn out to be what wins the title for us?
Sorry guys: just went through this again and realised I got the points at the start of the game the wrong way round, and typed all this for nothing.
Could still be an exciting end....
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We're well in this! I make Yorks favourites, us second, but I can't really see how Middx can force a win. Hopefully they'll professionally block it out on what looks like a dull easy-paced cricket-killing pitch - oh the irony 😉
Thanks and congratulations to Chris Rogers - I'm all in favour of the batting coach idea - I'll throw a fiver in the pot.
Looking forward to reading Farmer White's up-sum...and going to bed excited for the morrow.
Thanks and congratulations to Chris Rogers - I'm all in favour of the batting coach idea - I'll throw a fiver in the pot.
Looking forward to reading Farmer White's up-sum...and going to bed excited for the morrow.
Whatever happens at Lord's tomorrow, I am saddened to hear of Chris Rogers' retirement.
I am aware that we only signed him on a one - year contract and that he is almost 40, but his leadership and professionalism, more than anything else, have taken us to where we are this evening.
I was hoping that he might be persuaded to stay on a while longer, but it was not to be.
What a wonderful career he has had, and Somerset should be proud to have had his services as captain, albeit for one year.
Thank you Chris for all that you have done and achieved in a short space of time. You will be truly missed and extremely difficult to replace both as an overseas player and captain.
Good luck for the future.
I am aware that we only signed him on a one - year contract and that he is almost 40, but his leadership and professionalism, more than anything else, have taken us to where we are this evening.
I was hoping that he might be persuaded to stay on a while longer, but it was not to be.
What a wonderful career he has had, and Somerset should be proud to have had his services as captain, albeit for one year.
Thank you Chris for all that you have done and achieved in a short space of time. You will be truly missed and extremely difficult to replace both as an overseas player and captain.
Good luck for the future.
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Oh for that 5th batting point on Tues/Wed!
I keep thinking back to TG getting stumped when 390 last week and 12 overs to get max points. However we may not have got 4 this week. Fine margins which if we finish 2nd I hope we take on chin and come back stronger next season.
If Middx can lose say, 2 wickets, before lunch but no more than 2, then I think that should keep us on track.
If they lose 4 wickets before lunch, they shall probably lose the match.
If they lose zero wickets, then the two sides will probably contrive a finish.
If they lose 4 wickets before lunch, they shall probably lose the match.
If they lose zero wickets, then the two sides will probably contrive a finish.
Whatever happens tomorrow, we have had a season that was far better than anybody apart from BJ expected.
From a bowling stand-point, the future seems enormously bright.
From a batting stand-point, we shall need to make a couple of astute signings from without over the next couple of years, I feel. If we get those signings right then, combined with our talented young bowling group, we ought to be capable of several more CC tilts in the coming years, one would hope.
From a bowling stand-point, the future seems enormously bright.
From a batting stand-point, we shall need to make a couple of astute signings from without over the next couple of years, I feel. If we get those signings right then, combined with our talented young bowling group, we ought to be capable of several more CC tilts in the coming years, one would hope.
Might be interesting to put ourselves in Franklins shoes and see if there's any way he can win this game and the championship.
Middx are 40 behind now and if all goes well they'd be 60 up at lunch, possibly 200 up at tea if they throw the bat. Would he declare then and give Yorks a shot at 200 in 33 overs ?
Is there any chance Middx can bowl Yorks out in 33 overs ?
Perhaps he'd be happy with a 150 lead and a chance for 50 overs to bowl Yorks out.This is probably our worst case scenario unless they cook up a fabricated target with junk bowling.
Middx are 40 behind now and if all goes well they'd be 60 up at lunch, possibly 200 up at tea if they throw the bat. Would he declare then and give Yorks a shot at 200 in 33 overs ?
Is there any chance Middx can bowl Yorks out in 33 overs ?
Perhaps he'd be happy with a 150 lead and a chance for 50 overs to bowl Yorks out.This is probably our worst case scenario unless they cook up a fabricated target with junk bowling.
Personally, I was very disappointed that Chris Rogers seemed to bat on just to get his personal milestone. Yes, Notts folded easily enough but, for me, it should always be about the team and we seemed to me to have more than enough runs on the board by 12 (at the latest), and - given that this is England and late September, we should always have been on our guard against the possibility of weather, in addition to Notts possibly finding some resilience.
I do think now, more than ever, that his 'issue,' with his batting this season was his motivation, as I suspected - otherwise a bit of a co-incidence that he suddenly "rediscovered," his ability when the the season was on the line in the pressure matches. He has always been a tough cookie under pressure and I would think that his competitive juices were fully re-awakened by the CC run in, hence hugely valuable runs in each of the final two games.
As I said at the time, I thought it would be a big mistake to try and persuade somebody that was seriously thinking of retirement to avoid that course of action. Therefore, I am glad (given that he was obviously serious about those thoughts) that we are have not managed to drag him back against his better judgement.
Mr Rogers and Mr Maynard are to be congratulated for having settled on a winning strategy at home and our spinners (in particular) and Simon Lee and his staff are to be congratulated for implementing the strategy so successfully.
It will be interesting to see whether Mr Maynard tries to find another overseas player to be Captain and/or whether he will be a number three batsman. It's possible that they could use Myburgh in that role next season which would then give us the flexibility to sign the best possible overseas player, regardless of whether said player can bat at number three. For example if they play a top five of Tres, Abell, Myburgh, Hildreth, Davies, they might even consider looking for a left-arm paceman as the overseas player. MM is on record as wanting to add a decent left-armer.. so if one were available, he might be considered.
I do think now, more than ever, that his 'issue,' with his batting this season was his motivation, as I suspected - otherwise a bit of a co-incidence that he suddenly "rediscovered," his ability when the the season was on the line in the pressure matches. He has always been a tough cookie under pressure and I would think that his competitive juices were fully re-awakened by the CC run in, hence hugely valuable runs in each of the final two games.
As I said at the time, I thought it would be a big mistake to try and persuade somebody that was seriously thinking of retirement to avoid that course of action. Therefore, I am glad (given that he was obviously serious about those thoughts) that we are have not managed to drag him back against his better judgement.
Mr Rogers and Mr Maynard are to be congratulated for having settled on a winning strategy at home and our spinners (in particular) and Simon Lee and his staff are to be congratulated for implementing the strategy so successfully.
It will be interesting to see whether Mr Maynard tries to find another overseas player to be Captain and/or whether he will be a number three batsman. It's possible that they could use Myburgh in that role next season which would then give us the flexibility to sign the best possible overseas player, regardless of whether said player can bat at number three. For example if they play a top five of Tres, Abell, Myburgh, Hildreth, Davies, they might even consider looking for a left-arm paceman as the overseas player. MM is on record as wanting to add a decent left-armer.. so if one were available, he might be considered.
Personally I thought Chris Rogers declaration was correct, and ultimately proved he was correct. The time to criticize and suggest he only batted on for personal gain, should be when a plan backfires, IMO.
Notts still had ample time to reach the target set.
Notts still had ample time to reach the target set.
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Personally I thought Chris Rogers declaration was correct, and ultimately proved he was correct. The time to criticize and suggest he only batted on for personal gain, should be when a plan backfires, IMO.
Notts still had ample time to reach the target set.
Quite. We utterly destroyed Notts in under 3 days and bar a bizarre hour on day one didn't do anything wrong.
Also seem the groundsmen can just about get the right balance on the pitch. The question is can they produce similar in the earlier months of the year
What a day!
Following proceedings at Taunton and Lords via Radio 5Live Extra, BBC Sport Cricket web pages and of course here.
We've done our bit. Our Captain has scored his second century of the match (rightly or wrongly) and announced his retirement.
Yorkshire scrape to 350 after Compton drops an easy one, then go on to post a big lead. Middx collapse to 2 for 2 (thanks again Compton), but then recover to close 39 behind with 2 down.
So, tomorrow?
Middlsex cannot risk losing early wickets so have to progress steadily for at least the first hour or so to clear the deficit. If they can do that then they can try to accelerate and look to set Yorks a target - perhaps 200/220 from the last session?
If they can do this then I can't see them risking it all by contriving something with Yorks.
If Middx lose early wickets tomorrow, then Yorks have no need to agree any contrivance, and the best we can hope for is that the Middx tail frustrate them long enough so whatever target they are able to set can't be reached. I'm sure that Middx would want and try to preserve their unbeaten record, and second place.
The third scenario is that Middlesex don't lose too many wickets but progress up to and beyond lunch is very slow. Then we would/could be in the situation of the Captains setting something up between them - I still can't see either offering anything too generous to the other though?
Sorry for my rambling - I'm probably trying to convince myself we still have a good chance!
Following proceedings at Taunton and Lords via Radio 5Live Extra, BBC Sport Cricket web pages and of course here.
We've done our bit. Our Captain has scored his second century of the match (rightly or wrongly) and announced his retirement.
Yorkshire scrape to 350 after Compton drops an easy one, then go on to post a big lead. Middx collapse to 2 for 2 (thanks again Compton), but then recover to close 39 behind with 2 down.
So, tomorrow?
Middlsex cannot risk losing early wickets so have to progress steadily for at least the first hour or so to clear the deficit. If they can do that then they can try to accelerate and look to set Yorks a target - perhaps 200/220 from the last session?
If they can do this then I can't see them risking it all by contriving something with Yorks.
If Middx lose early wickets tomorrow, then Yorks have no need to agree any contrivance, and the best we can hope for is that the Middx tail frustrate them long enough so whatever target they are able to set can't be reached. I'm sure that Middx would want and try to preserve their unbeaten record, and second place.
The third scenario is that Middlesex don't lose too many wickets but progress up to and beyond lunch is very slow. Then we would/could be in the situation of the Captains setting something up between them - I still can't see either offering anything too generous to the other though?
Sorry for my rambling - I'm probably trying to convince myself we still have a good chance!
A strange day. It was obvious that Somerset would win, so all the tension related to events at Lord's.
In the morning, Rogers batted serenely (up until then time when it was touch and go whether he could reach his century before lunch) while Davies batted elegantly, Trego batted mightily, Cove batted explosively and Gregory batted serenely.
I did suggest to my neighbours that, when Rogers was batting with Trego, it was like watching JS Bach at one end and Motorhead at the other. However, it was later pointed out to me that Rogers is scarcely elegant and is known as Buck, rather than Bach, Rogers for a reason.
Like Roger and Tumbles, I had no problem with the timing of the declaration. Demoralising Notts further was likely to accelerate the end. On this of all days, to carp about the timing of the declaration – even if there were an element of indulgence – seems to me to be churlish in the extreme.
I liked the way that Rogers appeared to go out of his way to get everyone involved – for example, Davies was given the opportunity to bat at 4, PT was given the opportunity to reach his 1,000 CC runs (and huge congratulations to him for doing so), Cove and LG each had a bat and VDM was brought on early to bowl. They each repaid the faith placed in them.
I thought that Somerset looked thoroughly professional in the field – as exemplified by throwing down the stumps at least three times (including a second brilliant run-out by Max).
Somerset's strapline over the last few weeks has been Dare to Dream. I will dare to dream, for just a few more hours, that tomorrow will go our way.
Finally, it has been a pleasure, over the past three days, to share Mike’s benches, and Tractor’s bench, with such an affable group of Grocklites, lurkers and others – you know who you are. Others, I know, were there in spirit.
In the morning, Rogers batted serenely (up until then time when it was touch and go whether he could reach his century before lunch) while Davies batted elegantly, Trego batted mightily, Cove batted explosively and Gregory batted serenely.
I did suggest to my neighbours that, when Rogers was batting with Trego, it was like watching JS Bach at one end and Motorhead at the other. However, it was later pointed out to me that Rogers is scarcely elegant and is known as Buck, rather than Bach, Rogers for a reason.
Like Roger and Tumbles, I had no problem with the timing of the declaration. Demoralising Notts further was likely to accelerate the end. On this of all days, to carp about the timing of the declaration – even if there were an element of indulgence – seems to me to be churlish in the extreme.
I liked the way that Rogers appeared to go out of his way to get everyone involved – for example, Davies was given the opportunity to bat at 4, PT was given the opportunity to reach his 1,000 CC runs (and huge congratulations to him for doing so), Cove and LG each had a bat and VDM was brought on early to bowl. They each repaid the faith placed in them.
I thought that Somerset looked thoroughly professional in the field – as exemplified by throwing down the stumps at least three times (including a second brilliant run-out by Max).
Somerset's strapline over the last few weeks has been Dare to Dream. I will dare to dream, for just a few more hours, that tomorrow will go our way.
Finally, it has been a pleasure, over the past three days, to share Mike’s benches, and Tractor’s bench, with such an affable group of Grocklites, lurkers and others – you know who you are. Others, I know, were there in spirit.
A not unsurprisingly wise post from Wickham with which I wholly agree. A time to praise unstintingly the efforts of all the squad over the season, to admire the amazing leadership of Buck Rogers and Matt Maynard.
Tomorrow they could all be legends!
Tomorrow they could all be legends!
Even though I'd have put Notts in, I didn't think the decision to bat again was that bad (my father was askance and phoned me at work; I told him not to worry) and surely winning in three days by a massive margin vindicates that. I don't think Chris Rogers batted again with the intention of scoring a second century, though when it became a definite possibility I'm sure he was mindful of it. They batted so quickly and while weather could have been relevant (the forecast was very good, though as I said yesterday accuracy is not a given) he still gave the bowlers five sessions to bowl Notts out and they did it in two, with a few run-outs, which I'm guessing demonstrate Notts' demoralised state. Rogers has been a very successful captain. Yes, a few more runs earlier in the season would have been nice, and some are going to question the declaration v Middx forever (I think the bowlers let him down) but he has surely galvanised the squad better than anyone could have imagined.
And it's not quite all over...
And it's not quite all over...
It has been a fantastic effort. I'm pretty sure we are out of it, but assuming Yorks don't roll Msex over in the morning then Franklin has to time his declaration to give his bowlers a chance.The draw then is still on the table. What will depress me is Gale and Ballance bowling to get to an agreed target.
Day three photos.
And what turn out to be the last day, with a win for Somerset and top of the table. How long will we be there?
We had four players reach 1000 CC runs this season, I am glad Peter Trego seen hitting a six managed it in the second innings.
Chris Rogers reach his hundred with this shot, he also score a 1000 CC runs this season.
I did appreciate you giving me a wave Chris after you got your 100, there was no need really.
Steven Mallaney was a Roelof van der Merwe victim when Peter Trego took the catch.
A good effort from Tom Abell to try and catch Tom Moores off Jack Leach's bowling but the ball was always to far away.
I like Craig Overton style when he had Samit Patel out lbw, Roelof van der Merwe tried to copy him and Marcus stood no chance of doing it.
Craig Overton soften-up Chris Read with this bouncer, he ended up on his knees.
Chris Read didn't have a good match, his second innings ended being out lbw to Jack Leach.
Jack Leach ended the season with 65 CC wicket, this was one of those wickets of Brett Hutton.
And another wicket for Jack Leach, Jake Ball stumped Ryan Davies bowled Jack Leach.
Jack can't you ever stop taking wickets! This was his 65 wicket of Imran Tahir caught Peter Trego
More photos to come.
And what turn out to be the last day, with a win for Somerset and top of the table. How long will we be there?
We had four players reach 1000 CC runs this season, I am glad Peter Trego seen hitting a six managed it in the second innings.
Chris Rogers reach his hundred with this shot, he also score a 1000 CC runs this season.
I did appreciate you giving me a wave Chris after you got your 100, there was no need really.
Steven Mallaney was a Roelof van der Merwe victim when Peter Trego took the catch.
A good effort from Tom Abell to try and catch Tom Moores off Jack Leach's bowling but the ball was always to far away.
I like Craig Overton style when he had Samit Patel out lbw, Roelof van der Merwe tried to copy him and Marcus stood no chance of doing it.
Craig Overton soften-up Chris Read with this bouncer, he ended up on his knees.
Chris Read didn't have a good match, his second innings ended being out lbw to Jack Leach.
Jack Leach ended the season with 65 CC wicket, this was one of those wickets of Brett Hutton.
And another wicket for Jack Leach, Jake Ball stumped Ryan Davies bowled Jack Leach.
Jack can't you ever stop taking wickets! This was his 65 wicket of Imran Tahir caught Peter Trego
More photos to come.
sfwithers - I was not suggesting for one moment that we chose to bat again so that CR could score a ton - merely that the timing of the declaration seemed to be predicated on him completing his milestone.
Perhaps he was so utterly confident that Notts would fold (let's face it, it wasn't the biggest surprise of all time) that he felt it would have no effect. However, I just thought it was somewhat self-indulgent and had we somehow ended up running out of time (perhaps due to Friday's forecast proving to be wrong) then it would have been incredibly annoying that we batted on for such a long time/to such a colossal lead.
Anyway, it's done now and I think I am more optimistic than most on here would seem to be that things may well go our way tomorrow. The track at Lord's is a dodo and it isn't easy to either score runs or take wickets quickly.
Having said that, there is no value to either side in a draw, so it's possible that Middlesex will decide to be very attacking from the start tomorrow morning.. yes, they might fritter wickets away and end up well beaten by 3pm but there is no real value to them in trying to bat out a draw. Perhaps the MIddx mindset may be that, if they block for long enough, Yorkshire will offter them some garbage buffet bowling to "set up a game"?
Having said that, I thought that declaration bowling had actually been banned, but perhaps I imagined that? One almost never sees it in the CC these days and it would be bitterly disappointing if the destination of CC1 were to be decided in such a lamentable manner.
Perhaps he was so utterly confident that Notts would fold (let's face it, it wasn't the biggest surprise of all time) that he felt it would have no effect. However, I just thought it was somewhat self-indulgent and had we somehow ended up running out of time (perhaps due to Friday's forecast proving to be wrong) then it would have been incredibly annoying that we batted on for such a long time/to such a colossal lead.
Anyway, it's done now and I think I am more optimistic than most on here would seem to be that things may well go our way tomorrow. The track at Lord's is a dodo and it isn't easy to either score runs or take wickets quickly.
Having said that, there is no value to either side in a draw, so it's possible that Middlesex will decide to be very attacking from the start tomorrow morning.. yes, they might fritter wickets away and end up well beaten by 3pm but there is no real value to them in trying to bat out a draw. Perhaps the MIddx mindset may be that, if they block for long enough, Yorkshire will offter them some garbage buffet bowling to "set up a game"?
Having said that, I thought that declaration bowling had actually been banned, but perhaps I imagined that? One almost never sees it in the CC these days and it would be bitterly disappointing if the destination of CC1 were to be decided in such a lamentable manner.
After the match ended in a win the team toured the ground giving the large crowd a chance to show their appreciation to the team on a marvellous championship cricket season. And to give the team a chance to thank the supporters for their support during the season.
The team clapping the crowd, a nice thought by the club.
Chris Rogers and Matt Maynard, nice to see the smiles.
Come on James hurry up you will miss all of the fun.
The team with James Hildreth at the back when he caught up with the team.
Chris Rogers, Matt Maynard and Marcus Trescothick being photographed and filmed.
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The team clapping the crowd, a nice thought by the club.
Chris Rogers and Matt Maynard, nice to see the smiles.
Come on James hurry up you will miss all of the fun.
The team with James Hildreth at the back when he caught up with the team.
Chris Rogers, Matt Maynard and Marcus Trescothick being photographed and filmed.
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WSM - with hindsight (given how Notts played) perhaps you were right after all and we should have attempted to produce something flatter... at the time I did not think it would prove significant but, should Yorkshire win tomorrow, that collapse will have been shown to have done for us.
Then again, on a far easier batting track, perhaps Notts would have summoned greater resolve?
Then again, on a far easier batting track, perhaps Notts would have summoned greater resolve?
Is Agod really Neil Mallender? I ask because the umpire seemed to think that Somerset should have declared much earlier too as he very pointedly slowed the game by slowly walking from square leg to square leg every time either the left-handed or the right-handed batsman scored a single. He abandoned this in the Notts innings by standing at the same spot when left and right handed batsmen were at the wicket and similarly scoring.
I thought Rogers was dead right grinding Nottinghamshires nose in the dirt. They were obviously getting more and more frustrated in the field. I believe that we would have batted on even if Rogers was out early. He proved an excellent captain and we will surely miss him. We do well with an Aussie captain.
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I thought Rogers was dead right grinding Nottinghamshires nose in the dirt. They were obviously getting more and more frustrated in the field. I believe that we would have batted on even if Rogers was out early. He proved an excellent captain and we will surely miss him. We do well with an Aussie captain.
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Perhaps Ghostie was hoping for a bit of golf on Friday and was worried Notts might survive the day?
Umpires have the right to stand on the same side if the sun gets in their eyes.
A day of cricket of 'such stuff as dreams are made on'. At the season's start such cricket was but the stuff of dreams. The talk in the stands was of relegation and the dream was of relegation just avoided.
And yet, tantalisingly, the real dream hangs there still. Yorkshire have one hand on it, Middlesex but a fingertip and we who dream can but watch and wait. And yet perhaps, just perhaps, they may in their eagerness wrestle themselves to a standstill and the dream fall to us.
Tomorrow hopes and dreams will be our watchwords. A wait in purgatory our fate. And like no others who suffer purgatory we must hope our wait in its clutches is interminable for a short wait tomorrow will not suit our cause.
If the wait stretches towards the end of the day our seconds will become minutes, our minutes hours and our hours days. The agony will grow, our breathing become laboured, the palms of our hands will sweat as never before. And all the time our fate will be at the whim of a well directed ball, of an intently swung bat or worst of all the human frailty of an umpire.
And while we wait and hope and 'dare to dream' let us not talk of points won and points lost; of decisions good and decisions bad; of opportunities taken and opportunities missed and above all let us not weigh such things in the balances for such talk gnaws at the very soul and profits us nothing.
Let us rather talk of such deeds as James Hildreth's matchless heroism on the first day of this match; of the monumental win at Headingly; of the Renaissance of Marcus Trescothick; of the Torquemadian spin of Jack Leach and Dom Bess against Warwickshire; of the third morning seventeen minute miracle against Durham; of the 31 run last wicket stand of Jack Leach and Tim Groenawald that sank Surrey; of Tom Abell's miracle hundred on a minefield at Edgbaston; of the deeds of the Overtons with bat and ball; of Trego's thousand and Leach's sixty; of Rogers' captaincy that wrought the transformation and of a Somerset team that has scaled heights not dreamed of a few short months ago. Indeed this was all ' such stuff as dreams are made on'.
And if the dream ends tomorrow savour the making of it in a season of exploits beyond dreams. And then dream on, for next year may really be the year in which we all wake up and discover the dream is realised.
And yet, tantalisingly, the real dream hangs there still. Yorkshire have one hand on it, Middlesex but a fingertip and we who dream can but watch and wait. And yet perhaps, just perhaps, they may in their eagerness wrestle themselves to a standstill and the dream fall to us.
Tomorrow hopes and dreams will be our watchwords. A wait in purgatory our fate. And like no others who suffer purgatory we must hope our wait in its clutches is interminable for a short wait tomorrow will not suit our cause.
If the wait stretches towards the end of the day our seconds will become minutes, our minutes hours and our hours days. The agony will grow, our breathing become laboured, the palms of our hands will sweat as never before. And all the time our fate will be at the whim of a well directed ball, of an intently swung bat or worst of all the human frailty of an umpire.
And while we wait and hope and 'dare to dream' let us not talk of points won and points lost; of decisions good and decisions bad; of opportunities taken and opportunities missed and above all let us not weigh such things in the balances for such talk gnaws at the very soul and profits us nothing.
Let us rather talk of such deeds as James Hildreth's matchless heroism on the first day of this match; of the monumental win at Headingly; of the Renaissance of Marcus Trescothick; of the Torquemadian spin of Jack Leach and Dom Bess against Warwickshire; of the third morning seventeen minute miracle against Durham; of the 31 run last wicket stand of Jack Leach and Tim Groenawald that sank Surrey; of Tom Abell's miracle hundred on a minefield at Edgbaston; of the deeds of the Overtons with bat and ball; of Trego's thousand and Leach's sixty; of Rogers' captaincy that wrought the transformation and of a Somerset team that has scaled heights not dreamed of a few short months ago. Indeed this was all ' such stuff as dreams are made on'.
And if the dream ends tomorrow savour the making of it in a season of exploits beyond dreams. And then dream on, for next year may really be the year in which we all wake up and discover the dream is realised.
At the start of this season who realistically would have given us a top 3 spot in the four day? Who would have given us a top half of the division spot?
If it isn't to be this year then so be it. We WILL be stronger and a little older next. Who would have given us victories based on one of the strongest SPIN attacks at home in the League. Where the hell did that come from?
Jack Leach, Reolof and now Dom Bess have become the stuff that dreams are made of. How the performance of the oldest looking man in his twenties has not got him a full international tour place is absolutely beyond me given the dearth of English spin. If it"s a Piran Holloway type season that doesn't come again then it was one to savour. If not (and I think there IS much more) we are going to scare the living daylights out of sides next year because our spinners just keep coming at you. Those 3 AND both Overtons? Can't wait to get started.
The comeradarie shown on these pages in the last 3 days has been a joy to read and welcome to all new posters who have added to it a great deal. Thank you all for adding more to those who couldn't be there. Thank you Mike for the service you do for us all EVERY year with your photo record. I think you know how much we all appreciate it but at times like these it bridges the distance for so many.
I know we will all be tuned in today. We may get there and we may not BUT this side IS moving forward now. We are most definitely out of the doldrums of post 2010 and we will be a force to be reckoned with on many fronts next year. There is no feeling of "Phew! We managed to get ourselves out of the pickle this year" at the end of 2016.
If the Doom and Gloom crew want to try and pour cold water on the second half if this season I offer them the floor and say "bring it on".
#wearesomerset and we ARE going places!!.
Now you must excuse me. There are 5 sessions of prayers in Oman today and I'm going to all of them. Hope we ALL have a bloody good day.
If it isn't to be this year then so be it. We WILL be stronger and a little older next. Who would have given us victories based on one of the strongest SPIN attacks at home in the League. Where the hell did that come from?
Jack Leach, Reolof and now Dom Bess have become the stuff that dreams are made of. How the performance of the oldest looking man in his twenties has not got him a full international tour place is absolutely beyond me given the dearth of English spin. If it"s a Piran Holloway type season that doesn't come again then it was one to savour. If not (and I think there IS much more) we are going to scare the living daylights out of sides next year because our spinners just keep coming at you. Those 3 AND both Overtons? Can't wait to get started.
The comeradarie shown on these pages in the last 3 days has been a joy to read and welcome to all new posters who have added to it a great deal. Thank you all for adding more to those who couldn't be there. Thank you Mike for the service you do for us all EVERY year with your photo record. I think you know how much we all appreciate it but at times like these it bridges the distance for so many.
I know we will all be tuned in today. We may get there and we may not BUT this side IS moving forward now. We are most definitely out of the doldrums of post 2010 and we will be a force to be reckoned with on many fronts next year. There is no feeling of "Phew! We managed to get ourselves out of the pickle this year" at the end of 2016.
If the Doom and Gloom crew want to try and pour cold water on the second half if this season I offer them the floor and say "bring it on".
#wearesomerset and we ARE going places!!.
Now you must excuse me. There are 5 sessions of prayers in Oman today and I'm going to all of them. Hope we ALL have a bloody good day.
I don't think even the club's own management would have put a lot of money on a top three finish, Grockle, let alone most here.
They must have had an inkling of what we had in the form of Mr Leach, otherwise the bunsen strategy would probably never have been attempted. I highly doubt that they knew, at the start of the season, quite how prominent a part Dom Bess would play in two absolutely vital victories.
They must have had an inkling of what we had in the form of Mr Leach, otherwise the bunsen strategy would probably never have been attempted. I highly doubt that they knew, at the start of the season, quite how prominent a part Dom Bess would play in two absolutely vital victories.
Belatedly catching up with the amazing events of Thursday, and can only echo the sentiments expressed above by many, especially Wickham, CP, Grockle & of course Farmer White.
As one who was optimistic about this season before it started, I find myself already looking beyond Friday, to 2017, when we will have a huge oppotunity to carry forward the incredible momentum we have build over the last couple of months.
One more bonus point would have seen us in an almost untouchable position at the top of the table, and if there is one lesson to be learnt from 2016, it must surely be that we must fight for every batting and bowling point, from the beginning of April onwards.
For our team of heroes however, today is a day to savour. To lap up the attention and respect that each and every one of them have earned, and most of all to pay tribute to a Captain, who has taken us from the threat, (for some even the expectation), of relegation, to the brink of winning the Championship. A shame that CR has chosen to close his final innings, but what a way to go.
As, I meander towards an attempt at sleep, I will drop off in the hope that when I wake up, it will not all have been a dream, and that, just possibly, there may still be a glorious outcome to a fantsatic season.
Good luck everyone. I have a feeling that tomorrow (today over there) will be talked about at Taunton, for very very many years to come.
Grizzzly
As one who was optimistic about this season before it started, I find myself already looking beyond Friday, to 2017, when we will have a huge oppotunity to carry forward the incredible momentum we have build over the last couple of months.
One more bonus point would have seen us in an almost untouchable position at the top of the table, and if there is one lesson to be learnt from 2016, it must surely be that we must fight for every batting and bowling point, from the beginning of April onwards.
For our team of heroes however, today is a day to savour. To lap up the attention and respect that each and every one of them have earned, and most of all to pay tribute to a Captain, who has taken us from the threat, (for some even the expectation), of relegation, to the brink of winning the Championship. A shame that CR has chosen to close his final innings, but what a way to go.
As, I meander towards an attempt at sleep, I will drop off in the hope that when I wake up, it will not all have been a dream, and that, just possibly, there may still be a glorious outcome to a fantsatic season.
Good luck everyone. I have a feeling that tomorrow (today over there) will be talked about at Taunton, for very very many years to come.
Grizzzly
As always for Somerset the key to potentially going one better next season (assuming that that is possible by the end of today!) is probably to actually start the season properly. In spite of the arrival of CR, we did not start this season in a particularly good fashion.
One assumes that management has tried everything that they can think of in terms of preparation etc..
Perhaps it's time to try something different in terms of the fixtures? Each county is able to make certain requests of the ECB in terms of the planning of fixtures. My suspicion has been, for several years, that Somerset request to have a majority of our home games later in the season because that always seems to be the way that it falls. Last season we managed to produce only one bunsen, and that in the final match vs Warks. This season we have been able to produce them earlier in the piece. So, whilst late season home games may be advantageous we can very possibly produce bunsens and win games earlier in the piece. If we requested the odd earlier home game, we might avoid the April trip to CLS.
Or perhaps the key might lie in trying to upgrade our seam/pace resources?
The one - and indeed only - early season game that we won in living memory came a few years ago at home to Middlesex... Vernon Philander was prominent in that one.
Our competitive (or to use the economic term comparative advantage) vs other CC1 teams clearly lies in our spin bowling at present. But it's probably fair to say that certain other CC1 sides have a relative advantage over us in terms of pace bowling. On greenish April tracks, then perhaps the key to better performance lies in having a better seam attack at our disposal?
If Mr Maynard were to trust Mr Myburgh to bat at three next season, then we could seek to strengthen our pace attack through the overseas route - perhaps on a Philander type basis where we might look for a quality seamer for the opening stanza of the season.. there may be some countries that want their guys to gain experience prior to the Champions Trophy, for example?
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One assumes that management has tried everything that they can think of in terms of preparation etc..
Perhaps it's time to try something different in terms of the fixtures? Each county is able to make certain requests of the ECB in terms of the planning of fixtures. My suspicion has been, for several years, that Somerset request to have a majority of our home games later in the season because that always seems to be the way that it falls. Last season we managed to produce only one bunsen, and that in the final match vs Warks. This season we have been able to produce them earlier in the piece. So, whilst late season home games may be advantageous we can very possibly produce bunsens and win games earlier in the piece. If we requested the odd earlier home game, we might avoid the April trip to CLS.
Or perhaps the key might lie in trying to upgrade our seam/pace resources?
The one - and indeed only - early season game that we won in living memory came a few years ago at home to Middlesex... Vernon Philander was prominent in that one.
Our competitive (or to use the economic term comparative advantage) vs other CC1 teams clearly lies in our spin bowling at present. But it's probably fair to say that certain other CC1 sides have a relative advantage over us in terms of pace bowling. On greenish April tracks, then perhaps the key to better performance lies in having a better seam attack at our disposal?
If Mr Maynard were to trust Mr Myburgh to bat at three next season, then we could seek to strengthen our pace attack through the overseas route - perhaps on a Philander type basis where we might look for a quality seamer for the opening stanza of the season.. there may be some countries that want their guys to gain experience prior to the Champions Trophy, for example?
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Far too late AG. Some have seen the draft for next year's season so that die is already cast I am afraid.
Farmer White- thank you. I shall treasurer the so apt Torquemadian all winter
As we move towards the end of this season I have decided to open the gates a little.
After the idiocy of the very strange double identity event last month I removed access through one poster address to a major critic of this season. He has sort of disappeared since then though there have been smatterings of him about the place.
I have removed that block today to allow everyone who has been involved in this season to have their say of they want to. Another poster may take advantage of the removal of his self requested ban to join us once again.
Give it your best boys. If you want to join the rest of us you are welcome. But no one asked Wellesley to the party so leave that one at home. I'd ask you to use the access wisely but we'll leave that to you and act accordingly if you can't.
After the idiocy of the very strange double identity event last month I removed access through one poster address to a major critic of this season. He has sort of disappeared since then though there have been smatterings of him about the place.
I have removed that block today to allow everyone who has been involved in this season to have their say of they want to. Another poster may take advantage of the removal of his self requested ban to join us once again.
Give it your best boys. If you want to join the rest of us you are welcome. But no one asked Wellesley to the party so leave that one at home. I'd ask you to use the access wisely but we'll leave that to you and act accordingly if you can't.
Aye, Grockle, but maybe the club may already have thought of requesting a different pattern of fixtures.
How uplifting to read the overnight contributions. And how apt to be able to bracket together two great Somerset slow-left armers, Farmer White and Torquer Leach.
While I don't expect a draw at Lord's I was turning over in my mind the Franklin dilemma.
There will be 94 overs. Judging by the 50 over scores, and bearing in mind that there are no bowling or fielding retrictions and that taking wickets is the object rather than stopping runs, we could expect Yorks to be happy chasing 6 an over . Thererfore Franklin must set 7 an over to give his bowlers a chance and a reasonable total. So that says to me 280 off 40 overs. To get to that Middlesex must score another 310 from 54 overs. Anything less than a 280 target or a lower rate hands it to Yorks, so their bowlers can have one last go this morning. Wickets will sort it.
There will be 94 overs. Judging by the 50 over scores, and bearing in mind that there are no bowling or fielding retrictions and that taking wickets is the object rather than stopping runs, we could expect Yorks to be happy chasing 6 an over . Thererfore Franklin must set 7 an over to give his bowlers a chance and a reasonable total. So that says to me 280 off 40 overs. To get to that Middlesex must score another 310 from 54 overs. Anything less than a 280 target or a lower rate hands it to Yorks, so their bowlers can have one last go this morning. Wickets will sort it.
"Far too late AG. Some have seen the draft for next year's season so that die is already cast I am afraid."
Surprised to read that there is already a draft fixture list for next season, when the identity of the second side to be relegated from Div. 1 is still unknown.
I believe AGod that Somerset made a request to the E C B that their home fixtures be delayed at the start of this season, on account of the drainage works carried out during the winter months which resulted in a sub - standard outfield at the time.
Surprised to read that there is already a draft fixture list for next season, when the identity of the second side to be relegated from Div. 1 is still unknown.
I believe AGod that Somerset made a request to the E C B that their home fixtures be delayed at the start of this season, on account of the drainage works carried out during the winter months which resulted in a sub - standard outfield at the time.
Spent the past three days in excellent company on Gimblett Hill watching us demolish Notts. Grockle, here's one who will not be following the progress of the match at Lords. At my age I have to be careful of too much excitement! I was at the Durham match six years ago and it nearly did for me. It's a beautiful day here in Surrey and I shall drive down to the coast, have a leisurely lunch and round about 5.30pm come back to find us Champions. My best wishes to those who will be inhabiting the Stragglers or glued to their TVs, computers or radios at home. Whatever the outcome it's been a great season.
Farmer White has genuinely brought tears to my eyes.
We who dream can but watch and wait. Indeed.
I'm 25 miles from Lord's - unfortunately it's not going to rain all day - but it does seem a beautiful day for batting.
We who dream can but watch and wait. Indeed.
I'm 25 miles from Lord's - unfortunately it's not going to rain all day - but it does seem a beautiful day for batting.
Too tense to watch the game on cricinfo (but I bet I'll give in to temptation). If I were a betting man - and occasionally I am - I'd think the odds are against Somerset. Equally, they still have a realistic chance...
Ah well, nothing we can do but hope now. And pray, if we're off the religious persuasion.
Ah well, nothing we can do but hope now. And pray, if we're off the religious persuasion.
I think an overseas captain at number 3 is still the way to go. Our bowling attack will hopefully improve as our youngsters do. I think having a top six wicketkeeper will allow us to have a more attacking and varied bowling line up.
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"Far too late AG. Some have seen the draft for next year's season so that die is already cast I am afraid."
Surprised to read that there is already a draft fixture list for next season, when the identity of the second side to be relegated from Div. 1 is still unknown.
I think that is maybe why it's a draft Clarence....
It seems such a shame that after all these months, it appears the CC may be decided by a contrived finish. if not, I can't see any reason for Lyth bowling?
I'm trying not to sound bitter & cynical as in their shoes I'd be doing exactly the same thing, still a shame though. Could have done with not winning our match quite so fast!!
I'm trying not to sound bitter & cynical as in their shoes I'd be doing exactly the same thing, still a shame though. Could have done with not winning our match quite so fast!!
Although 3 overs for 9 runs isn't what I'd call contrived bowling, so who knows?
It probably won't become totally clear until after lunch and not even then perhaps...
I have a feeling that the sex have realised, chances of bowling Yorkshire out in a session and a half on that track, even in a run chase are so remote they are settling for a draw and runner up spot!! Or am I just deluding myself?!
AND the church and the Synagogue as well I expect. Is there a sikh temple in Taunton as well?
Farmer White is my new Grockle star!! Lyrical writing worthy of a wide audience !!
Nursing my injured knee at home at trying not to check score at Lords every two minutes !! So far so good as it is looking more and more difficult to contrive a finish on a slow true wicket. (He said optimistically )
Nursing my injured knee at home at trying not to check score at Lords every two minutes !! So far so good as it is looking more and more difficult to contrive a finish on a slow true wicket. (He said optimistically )
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I have a feeling that the sex have realised, chances of bowling Yorkshire out in a session and a half on that track, even in a run chase are so remote they are settling for a draw and runner up spot!! Or am I just deluding myself?!
If it were Somerset would you accept us doing that, not a chance. They will push on after lunch. 200 or so in 33 overs is my bet.
After lunch is where this thing will be decided but it does seem a slow wicket so hit and giggle might be a real problem.
Depends to some extent whether one of these sides accepts that they aren't going to win.
Depends to some extent whether one of these sides accepts that they aren't going to win.
Not sure I can bear it, but it's going to have to be a hell of a contrived result at this rate (which if Somerset were playing would also be the case, so I'm not casting aspersions - it's just how it is). Whereas Somerset v Notts was played at a super-charged pace, with four innings completed in three days, this is crawling along and with time lost for rain too. Earlier in the season this would be a nailed-on draw, but with both teams still able to win the CC that isn't the case. But how far will Middx push it for what looks a remote chance at a win?
8 wickets in the last 240 odd overs should not fill Middlesex with hope when needing to take 10 in 25 or so. If it were somerset I would not like to see them throw away runners up if I perceived there were no[b][/b] chance of winning.
Yorkshire maybe eying the new ball. If they took a couple of wickets with it suddenly Middlesex would be barely 100-5 in reality. Not sure if that would cause them to shut up shop more. Next hour intriguing
Railboy might be right in that Msx are settling for a draw and second place but I don't thn so yet.
They are 81 up, and are quickening the scoring rate. So they bat for 30 overs at and over and end up 231 ahead with 32 overs to play. 7 an over gets to 224 -near enough- but are 32 overs enough to take 10 wickets when you think how they laboured to take the last 4 yesterday. With the overs lost to rain and Msex slpw over rate,time has slipped away. I shall be unhappy if an easy target is set. I remember 210 when at Chester le Street we need ed something like 190 off 19
They are 81 up, and are quickening the scoring rate. So they bat for 30 overs at and over and end up 231 ahead with 32 overs to play. 7 an over gets to 224 -near enough- but are 32 overs enough to take 10 wickets when you think how they laboured to take the last 4 yesterday. With the overs lost to rain and Msex slpw over rate,time has slipped away. I shall be unhappy if an easy target is set. I remember 210 when at Chester le Street we need ed something like 190 off 19
Sorry, excitement is getting to me too much and I'm clearly overthinking this! Presumably this morning Yorkshire weren't interested in any form of "deal", they surely fancied their chances of winning fair and square. Maybe Middlesex will now think, why should we offer you one now
It seem that someone has laid tarmac over the strip at lords and the chance of a meaningful result has gone,
It remains to be said whether Yorks and Middx will choose to end the 2016 season with a game of 20:20, winner takes all.
It remains to be said whether Yorks and Middx will choose to end the 2016 season with a game of 20:20, winner takes all.
Perhaps Middlesex are doing it for their old mate Rogers!
If it comes down to a run chase Yorkshire don't have the best batting line up with no Root, Bairstow, Plunkett, Lehman etc and Gale and Ballance are in no form so not a foregone conclusion
If it comes down to a run chase Yorkshire don't have the best batting line up with no Root, Bairstow, Plunkett, Lehman etc and Gale and Ballance are in no form so not a foregone conclusion
I am enjoying, currently via Cricinfo, maiden overs. However, if joke blowing is still allowed, and is served up, it obviously enables Middlesex to set pretty much whatever target they like.
Has anything been said on Sky as to whether joke bowling is still permissible?
Has anything been said on Sky as to whether joke bowling is still permissible?
Don't think Sky have mentioned that it's not allowed but haven't seen all the coverage
Unless something is going on that I don't know this looks as though Msex are playing not to lose at the minute.
Middlesex wouldn't have a chance of bowling Yorkshire out under normal circumstances, so is their best chance setting a ridiculous (10 an over) target?
Being 100 ahead is not where I expected them to be with two sessions left. This is certainly not going the way it was predicted.
I don't think they have enough at the moment to make a decent chase of it. Wickets aren't going down. Runs aren't going up. What the hell is happening?
I don't think they have enough at the moment to make a decent chase of it. Wickets aren't going down. Runs aren't going up. What the hell is happening?
This is utterly pathetic, an outrageous waste of spectators' gate money and an insult to all true cricket lovers.
Whatever happens as a result of the present circus act, any Championship win for either Middlesex or Yorkshire has been hopelessly devalued. This is Somerset's championship by rights, even more surely than 2010 was.
Whatever happens as a result of the present circus act, any Championship win for either Middlesex or Yorkshire has been hopelessly devalued. This is Somerset's championship by rights, even more surely than 2010 was.
Surely they'll set a target of something like 220 off 30 (if they can bat for that long - another wicket has just fallen as I type!). But is that enough for a result either way or can we still count on the draw?
Wickham, I'm jealous ... wish I was on my way there too
Wickham, I'm jealous ... wish I was on my way there too
I assume part of the deal is that Yorkshire keep chasing even if 9 down and needing 20 an over.
Mike - what else can they do though? if Middlesex just went along at 3 an over for a draw they'd get slaughtered, & at the start, Yorkshire clearly felt they had a chance of bowling them out properly. The Yorkshire bowling was clearly too good to go for it until they tact to throwing pies
If they'd gone at 5 an over they could have set 200 off 25, with Yorkshire having no reason to pull out of a chase. That would've felt right.
According to the commentators at Lord's the captains aren't happy that we were not docked points.
Boo bloody hoo... We weren't docked points because the rules weren't breached according to the people who penalise
And are they complaining about the game we played against Middlesex that we LOST or the game we won at HEADINGLEY??
Boo bloody hoo... We weren't docked points because the rules weren't breached according to the people who penalise
And are they complaining about the game we played against Middlesex that we LOST or the game we won at HEADINGLEY??
@SS They're already 231 ahead with 41 overs to go (and won't lose two for the turn-around because tea will be taken. there will be a lot more than 30 overs to get quite a few more than 220 - and Yorkshire have no incentive to save the game as they finish 3rd lose or draw.
240 off 40. Ludicrously generous.
How come match-fixing is the ultimate sin when a bookmaker is involved but absolutely fine between consenting adults?
How come match-fixing is the ultimate sin when a bookmaker is involved but absolutely fine between consenting adults?
Declaration sets Yorkshire 240 off 40 overs. I know there are no fielding restrictions or one day wides, but that seems generous to Yorkshire.
Now the commentary is saying Somerset can't complain because of the standard of the pitches!
Now the commentary is saying Somerset can't complain because of the standard of the pitches!
Let's hope Middlesex can now win, can't bare to see Yorkshire win. No chance of a draw
Tawdry And pathetic And discutindo. I think this is The only CC1 game this year That this TRASH has happened in.
And, yes, before anybody questions me I WOULD say That, for me, our achievement would feel greatly diminshed if we won it by resorting to this drivel. And, yeah, most here would moan about me being 'negative,' about our triumph But só be It. I think this is garbage which makes a mockery of The entire season.
And, yes, before anybody questions me I WOULD say That, for me, our achievement would feel greatly diminshed if we won it by resorting to this drivel. And, yeah, most here would moan about me being 'negative,' about our triumph But só be It. I think this is garbage which makes a mockery of The entire season.
What else could they do? They could play proper cricket. If they can't win by playing proper cricket they can keep on trying and go down fighting, as we did aa Chester-le-Street in 2010.
Well the Goodies will do it again!
How did they con Mixed into just 6 an over!! Spirit of cricket! My hat!!
How did they con Mixed into just 6 an over!! Spirit of cricket! My hat!!
Very disappointing. Is there any other sport where two sides can collude in this way?
240 off 40 does seem very generous given Yorkshire have nothing to lose by losing (if that makes sense!)
That's that then. Given that 200+ is doable in 20 overs these days I can't see anything other than a Yorkshire win. Flip! That's the clean version...
It was an unfortunate set of circumstances that has left a forced result logical for both the competing teams. I do think Somerset would have done something similar if faced with the same situation - though the generosity of the declaration is slightly puzzling. But if 'declaration bowling' really is banned, how this can be allowed? I think the mentioning of Somerset's spin-friendly pitches is muddying the waters; they were presumably inspected and cleared. End of.
Ah well...
It was an unfortunate set of circumstances that has left a forced result logical for both the competing teams. I do think Somerset would have done something similar if faced with the same situation - though the generosity of the declaration is slightly puzzling. But if 'declaration bowling' really is banned, how this can be allowed? I think the mentioning of Somerset's spin-friendly pitches is muddying the waters; they were presumably inspected and cleared. End of.
Ah well...
@AGod I totally agree, though I suspect few people here would complain about "negativity" and most would feel just as you would.
You saw in the last half-hour at Lord`s exactly what will happen to cricket from 2018, when soulless city franchises are involved - minus any moral compass for the players
Middlesex and Yorkshire are two metropolitan counties, who have totally lost what in their heyday was a real feel for the game. Only the money counts now.
Contrast the behaviour of the captains, players and coaches today, in setting up this pathetic run chase, with that of James Hildreth at Taunton on Tuesday, when he batted for more than four hours with a fractured ankle.
I know who I view as a true cricketer.
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Middlesex and Yorkshire are two metropolitan counties, who have totally lost what in their heyday was a real feel for the game. Only the money counts now.
Contrast the behaviour of the captains, players and coaches today, in setting up this pathetic run chase, with that of James Hildreth at Taunton on Tuesday, when he batted for more than four hours with a fractured ankle.
I know who I view as a true cricketer.
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I agree, CJM, and there's part of me that thinks that if you can't win by playing proper cricket then you should just admit that and behave with dignity.
However, I also recognise that I am massively partisan in this. If Somerset were in Middlesex's position I can't guarantee that I'd feel the same way about it. So perhaps I'd better shut up!
However, I also recognise that I am massively partisan in this. If Somerset were in Middlesex's position I can't guarantee that I'd feel the same way about it. So perhaps I'd better shut up!
incredibly generous declaration!
Who is that bloody commentator on 5LSports Extra that keeps on saying that this has happened because of the pitches at Taunton!
I would love to ask him how the/any pitch is different for each team playing on it.
So if the Lords pitch doesn't generate positive results - then that gives Middx the excuse to cheat? Also 5 guaranteed draws at home and some generous pitches elsewhere isn't an advantage then?
Who is that bloody commentator on 5LSports Extra that keeps on saying that this has happened because of the pitches at Taunton!
I would love to ask him how the/any pitch is different for each team playing on it.
So if the Lords pitch doesn't generate positive results - then that gives Middx the excuse to cheat? Also 5 guaranteed draws at home and some generous pitches elsewhere isn't an advantage then?
That's not even a run chase... it's a walk in the park. I didn't expect a draw but I expected a bit more that that. And I forgot...it wasn't the pitch that was doctored at Leeds last week to take it away from Yorkshire it was the ECB not letting people play.
Yeah just replied to that rubbish. The pitch at Taunton for the Middlesex game MADE it a game and Yorkshire lost to us at HEADINGLEY flaming idiot. But I supposed when you are embarrassed you look for an excuse however stupid it might be.
I can't believe this declaration 240 off 40? 6 an over in this day and age?
I can't believe this declaration 240 off 40? 6 an over in this day and age?
I wonder why people thought that anything different would happen?
Await the outcome and get over it! Are we not certain to finish as runners - up? We have played above the expectations of many people this season.
That in itself is something to rejoice about.
Await the outcome and get over it! Are we not certain to finish as runners - up? We have played above the expectations of many people this season.
That in itself is something to rejoice about.
I look forward to Yorkshire 238 for 9 with 1 over left and umpires look at light meter and it is below value taken earlier
I said first thing this morning that we could expect Yorks to be happy chasing 6 an over and that Msex needed to set 280 from 40 overs.. Anything less than a 280 target or a lower rate hands it to Yorks, I seem to have anticipated the 40 overs, and the lower rate but that was based on proper cricket. I didn't realise how unpopular a Somerset championship was going to be.
I look forward to Yorkshire 238 for 9 with 1 over left and umpires look at light meter and it is below value taken earlier
I have no problem with where we finish CP and I don't think others do. I've no problem with an agreed declaration either.
As long as the side that wins had to work for it.
You actually think this is a competitive declaration designed to test Yorkshire then do you?
As long as the side that wins had to work for it.
You actually think this is a competitive declaration designed to test Yorkshire then do you?
Why do that Middlesex, why ???????
Can't believe I've woken up to this scam.
Hideously shabby.
Grizzzly
Can't believe I've woken up to this scam.
Hideously shabby.
Grizzzly
This smells of a betting fix! What has the ECB got to say? Are the bookies primed to look at unusual betting patterns - perhaps the female kind betting on behalf of their cricketing spouses? Does Franklin have any contact with or know the last NZ cricketer to run foul of Inspector Knacker? He, as the Middlesex captain is the only one who could have authorised this carve up. Of course he could well be as innocent as the driven snow - pure white. It could be worth asking any of the cricketers if they had got any friends to visit their friendly betting shop and put a fiver down for a Yorkshire win? Old boy!
1st wicket down, Lyth out. Hopefully Ballance in now to block one end up!
I would presume that Middlesex supporters are almost as outraged as us! I cannot believe that Franklin thought this a good deal!
They are very harsh words, Old Boy, but it is good to see you posting again on here.
When we were in a similar position as today in 2010 when playing at Chester - le - Street, I did think that the match going on at the same time between Notts. and Lancashire had an air of dubiousness about it.
The late Peter Roebuck (RIP) publicly said on more than one occasion that match fixing in county cricket was not unknown, and I will leave it there.
When we were in a similar position as today in 2010 when playing at Chester - le - Street, I did think that the match going on at the same time between Notts. and Lancashire had an air of dubiousness about it.
The late Peter Roebuck (RIP) publicly said on more than one occasion that match fixing in county cricket was not unknown, and I will leave it there.
At least next year if Marcus, James, Peter and our many talented youngsters can be 'married' with a new captain we should have won the Championship long before the last game.!
Old Boy!
Old Boy!
Unless something very strange happens (and we can always hope), Yorkshire are going to walk this 
David Hopps believes it might not be as generous a declaration as it first appears. He calls it an easy pitch to stay in on, but a tough one to score quickly on. Time will tell, I suppose.
And perhaps Yorkshire realise that their batting is not as good as we think.The problem is that Yorks will probably never shut up shop fro a draw as they would do in normal circumstances
Well, after this farce, I think it's safe to predict we will be motivated from day one in 2017.
Let's win it by mid August next year.
Grizzzly
Let's win it by mid August next year.
Grizzzly
A little bit calm required gentlemen. Lets have the outrage afterwards.
This tension is simply unbearable.
This is the time when I wish I was a neutral.
This is the time when I wish I was a neutral.
How could Middx ever think they could bowl out Yorks in 40 overs - at Lord's? A draw would leave them in second place, a loss down to third. I understand the financial rewards between 2nd and 3rd places are significant. Why not just take the money - oh, wash my mouth out!
@NF I see no need for calm.
And I will have the outrage when I feel the outrage!!!
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And I will have the outrage when I feel the outrage!!!
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As of now - 16.30 with Yorks 98/4 – I reckon all three results are possible. And my stomach can't take much more of it. Looks like the declaration wasn't as bonkers as I/we thought.
Bresnan is doing his best to win the championship single handed...and I can't in all honesty says that his efforts don't deserve it.
I would have had no problem at all congratulating Yorkshire and Tim Bresnan if they had won this... awesome performance from the man. Well played sir.
Gale has gone now. Squeeky bum time...but ain't it great? How can the ECB not understand this?
Gale has gone now. Squeeky bum time...but ain't it great? How can the ECB not understand this?
49 balls 80 runs 4 wickets. It might not have been a challenging declaration but 16 games and it comes to this. We could do with dot balls and no wickets
They won't 'do us a favour' Steve. They just won't beat us. We have set the bar and they have to clear it or fail...simple as that.
Can't see Yorkshire getting these runs but can they stop beng bowled out?
I think it is now 3 wickets in 6 overs and we're done. If not....... Bloody Hell!!
Looks as though the joke bowling handed it Msex in the end. But it was still not a challenging declaration.
Best team won in the end. Yorkshire didn't deserve it over the season as a whole
Fair play to Middlesex they battled well before the declaration bowling to earn themselves the chance - the declaration I thought at first was handing it to Yorks on a plate turned out spot on. Great effort by all at SCCC to finish above the champs of last two years.
What we didn't appreciate was how weak Yorkshire are without their stars Bairstow and Root.
In any other circumstances 240 in 40 overs was a stroll in the park, and a suspicious declaration. Well done to Franklin - he clearly saw in Yorkshire what we didn't - without the two they are not very clever. So the bookies can put the baseball bat away for another day.
Old Boy!
In any other circumstances 240 in 40 overs was a stroll in the park, and a suspicious declaration. Well done to Franklin - he clearly saw in Yorkshire what we didn't - without the two they are not very clever. So the bookies can put the baseball bat away for another day.
Old Boy!
Aaaaargh.
30 years I've been watching, and that's the nearest we've come (I'm aware plenty of others have been around longer than that!).
Still, here's to the next 30, eh?
Well done to all :-)
30 years I've been watching, and that's the nearest we've come (I'm aware plenty of others have been around longer than that!).
Still, here's to the next 30, eh?
Well done to all :-)
30 years - you are only a beginner.
Well done Middlesex; on today's showing richly deserved.
And once again well done Somerset.
Well done Middlesex; on today's showing richly deserved.
And once again well done Somerset.
Well the Middx captain judged the declaration far better than I !!
Congrats to Middx for deserved victory.
Congrats on being a very worthy second to Somerset. Next year....
Congrats to Middx for deserved victory.
Congrats on being a very worthy second to Somerset. Next year....
Congratulations to Middlesex, who have had a very good season.
I should like to be able to congratulate the Yorkshire lower order for their resolve when it became obvious that they couldn't win.
I do find joke bowling unedifying.
Finally, and most importantly, congratulations to the Somerset players, coaching staff and groundstaff on a fantastic season.
I should like to be able to congratulate the Yorkshire lower order for their resolve when it became obvious that they couldn't win.
I do find joke bowling unedifying.
Finally, and most importantly, congratulations to the Somerset players, coaching staff and groundstaff on a fantastic season.
So I will have to live a little longer I fear to see us at the top but I am running out of years as are a few other posters ! Well done to Msex though as over the season they probably deserved it - so much for all of our posters ( including me ) saying it was a stupidly generous declaration. Anyway from fearing relegation at season start to being very happy with runners up I say well done to all and I hope for great things next season.
Still not convinced that MM was a good appointment though ! And yes I know he has done well but signings still a weakness I feel ( IMO of course ) !
Still not convinced that MM was a good appointment though ! And yes I know he has done well but signings still a weakness I feel ( IMO of course ) !
Another rubbish season from the team that is (pace Rodders, 20/9/16) more rubbish than any other.
Presumably the seventeen teams incapable of being such rubbish all finished first equal.
Try harder next year lads.
Presumably the seventeen teams incapable of being such rubbish all finished first equal.
Try harder next year lads.
Sorry Mike but I was referring to one rubbish collapse which did happen not to the whole season - get on terms with accepting the very bad with the very good - that is supporting SCCC as I know very well after 68 years of so doing !
What a day.
What an emotional roller coaster, the glimmers of hope, the expectation ... the RTJ hat-trick, the despair. So near and yet so far.
But what a season it was. From a slow beginning to culminating in the wholesale demolition of Notts inside three days for a shot at the Championship. It's been fun, risks have been taken and it would have been great if fortune had favoured the brave.
I've so enjoyed my first season watching Somerset live.
I'm also delighted to have met some of the friendly folk on the 'benches in front of the church' - thank you for welcoming me into your group. I shall be back next season and I'm bringing a cushion in future!
What an emotional roller coaster, the glimmers of hope, the expectation ... the RTJ hat-trick, the despair. So near and yet so far.
But what a season it was. From a slow beginning to culminating in the wholesale demolition of Notts inside three days for a shot at the Championship. It's been fun, risks have been taken and it would have been great if fortune had favoured the brave.
I've so enjoyed my first season watching Somerset live.
I'm also delighted to have met some of the friendly folk on the 'benches in front of the church' - thank you for welcoming me into your group. I shall be back next season and I'm bringing a cushion in future!
Congratulations to Middlesex winning it, they didn't lose a game and beat both us and Yorkshire. They are worthy winners and they went out in style with a hat-trick.
I do have a problem if as others have posted that there is some disquiet about two spinning wickets out of eight that we have played on at Taunton that were passed ok by the umpires and pitch inspectors (assuming they even turned up). Are we now allowed to criticise seaming wickets, green pitches, anything under 300, poor decisions and so on? Smacks a bit of "we don't like upstarts" (which may be the whole direction with this franchise thing).
Proud of SCCC players getting us so close. Here is to next year with hopefully plenty of spinning wickets to test batsmen with international ambitions, already looking good.
I do have a problem if as others have posted that there is some disquiet about two spinning wickets out of eight that we have played on at Taunton that were passed ok by the umpires and pitch inspectors (assuming they even turned up). Are we now allowed to criticise seaming wickets, green pitches, anything under 300, poor decisions and so on? Smacks a bit of "we don't like upstarts" (which may be the whole direction with this franchise thing).
Proud of SCCC players getting us so close. Here is to next year with hopefully plenty of spinning wickets to test batsmen with international ambitions, already looking good.
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Congratulations to Middlesex, who have had a very good season.
I should like to be able to congratulate the Yorkshire lower order for their resolve when it became obvious that they couldn't win.
I do find joke bowling unedifying.
Finally, and most importantly, congratulations to the Somerset players, coaching staff and groundstaff on a fantastic season.
Middlesex coach admitted that part of the deal was Yorkshire had to keep going for it. Effectively we'd lost the title before Yorks came out to bat a second time. That tiny bit of detail leaves me slightly grumpy.. Roll on April anyhow
I don't like the detail that they had to keep going for it even when things got hopeless - even though they had no reason to block out.
With 16 points for a win and 5 for a draw, everyone should make similar deals throughout the season.
Still, trying to think logically that we've been fantastic this year, but it hurts.
With 16 points for a win and 5 for a draw, everyone should make similar deals throughout the season.
Still, trying to think logically that we've been fantastic this year, but it hurts.
Well said Rodders12; I fully agree and support you.
Today is not the day to be churlish, but I think that the difference between our performances in 2015 and 2016 is down in the very large part to the signing and appointment of Chris Rogers as captain. The belief that our players had in themselves is IMO down to his leadership, and I haven't witnessed that since Graeme Smith's short tenure in 2005.
Someone else to be highly commended and praised is Simon Lee and his team of hard - working groundsmen. Apart from Simon's predecessor, who said that the Taunton pitches could not become good cricket pitches with a sensible balance between bat and ball?
You have done the club proud, Simon.
Today is not the day to be churlish, but I think that the difference between our performances in 2015 and 2016 is down in the very large part to the signing and appointment of Chris Rogers as captain. The belief that our players had in themselves is IMO down to his leadership, and I haven't witnessed that since Graeme Smith's short tenure in 2005.
Someone else to be highly commended and praised is Simon Lee and his team of hard - working groundsmen. Apart from Simon's predecessor, who said that the Taunton pitches could not become good cricket pitches with a sensible balance between bat and ball?
You have done the club proud, Simon.
All I'll say from afar is that you will feel the benefit of the Chris Rogers effect well after he has gone, through his impact on the professionalism of the other players. That's what happened at Middlesex and goes a fair way to explain the way we have played this season.
Best of luck for next year, and if anyone proposes Tim Bresnan or James Hildreth for knighthoods after this round I'll be happy to second.
Adelaide
Best of luck for next year, and if anyone proposes Tim Bresnan or James Hildreth for knighthoods after this round I'll be happy to second.
Adelaide
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The more I hear and read of this unseemly episode, the more I see a 'fix' - they effectively agreed that one of them would win - no draw entertained - rather confirmed by the wittering of the radio commentator who kept saying NEITHER would call it a day at any point. I suspect he was privy to the stitch-up. If the ECB had any sense of fair play, there would be an enquiry. It sounds to me to be rather similar to the fake wrestling that ITV used to broadcast every saturday!
Old Boy!
The more I hear and read of this unseemly episode, the more I see a 'fix' - they effectively agreed that one of them would win - no draw entertained - rather confirmed by the wittering of the radio commentator who kept saying NEITHER would call it a day at any point. I suspect he was privy to the stitch-up. If the ECB had any sense of fair play, there would be an enquiry. It sounds to me to be rather similar to the fake wrestling that ITV used to broadcast every saturday!
Old Boy!
I do not recall whether the CC title has ever been decided as a consequence of joke bowling before?
But, regardless, the ECB has to act and make it a rule that teams will be hit with disrepute charges and points deductions (in future) if they resort to joke bowling and connivance. I feel, tonight, as though the whole competition has been very seriously devalued indeed. It was that, rather than the declaration/target set that was my concern.. if team x gets into a good position on its own merits and then wants to declare in such a way that it may not be favourite to win the game, then so be it.
Overall, Middx were worthy winners of the CC, IMO, despite the sour taste left by today's events. They did go unbeaten, after all.
I would have been gutted had Yorkshire won it, given that we were clearly better than they were - including in head-to-head competition, this season.
Let's just hope there is no hangover of disappointment from this at the start of next season - some new bodies, with S Davies being the first (and a replacement for Rogers presumably to follow) should help to avoid that, somewhat.
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But, regardless, the ECB has to act and make it a rule that teams will be hit with disrepute charges and points deductions (in future) if they resort to joke bowling and connivance. I feel, tonight, as though the whole competition has been very seriously devalued indeed. It was that, rather than the declaration/target set that was my concern.. if team x gets into a good position on its own merits and then wants to declare in such a way that it may not be favourite to win the game, then so be it.
Overall, Middx were worthy winners of the CC, IMO, despite the sour taste left by today's events. They did go unbeaten, after all.
I would have been gutted had Yorkshire won it, given that we were clearly better than they were - including in head-to-head competition, this season.
Let's just hope there is no hangover of disappointment from this at the start of next season - some new bodies, with S Davies being the first (and a replacement for Rogers presumably to follow) should help to avoid that, somewhat.
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I suspect that the Test county mafia will be lobbying the ECB to amend the rules on pitch preparation again to try to combat our turning tracks.
Does anybody know if it has yet been confirmed as to whether the 'away side can decide to bowl,' rule will remain in force for next season?
If it is scrapped, then we can certainly expect some very green seamers for many of our away games.
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Does anybody know if it has yet been confirmed as to whether the 'away side can decide to bowl,' rule will remain in force for next season?
If it is scrapped, then we can certainly expect some very green seamers for many of our away games.
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I see Banger is full-square behind the club keeping the Bunsens going as much as possible for next season (quoted saying as much on the official site)>
CR cites JL and TG's batting heroics as the chief inspiration for the team this season.. well done to those two. I thought TG was a revelation this season, to be honest.
CR cites JL and TG's batting heroics as the chief inspiration for the team this season.. well done to those two. I thought TG was a revelation this season, to be honest.
I have just watched the SKY Sports News and the more I hear on what happened today make me sad somewhat.
They agreed on setting a target by giving Yorkshire easy runs and also agreed even if Yorkshire lost wickets Yorkshire would still go for it and not shut up shop.
I can except the first bit (just) but carry on going for it when there was no chance of winning hurts a bit.
They agreed on setting a target by giving Yorkshire easy runs and also agreed even if Yorkshire lost wickets Yorkshire would still go for it and not shut up shop.
I can except the first bit (just) but carry on going for it when there was no chance of winning hurts a bit.
I'm not that fussed about the last bit, given that a draw was neither use nor ornament to Yorkshire. But it's ridiculous that it is permissible for teams to deliberately bowl absolute rubbish - in what other sport is it deemed acceptable for a team to deliberately play badly?
If there must be contrivance, I'd even rather the Captains just agree and the scoreboard be instantly adjusted to whatever nonsense they agree to - better that than watching professional players deliberately play badly.
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I have just watched the SKY Sports News and the more I hear on what happened today make me sad somewhat.
They agreed on setting a target by giving Yorkshire easy runs and also agreed even if Yorkshire lost wickets Yorkshire would still go for it and not shut up shop.
I can except the first bit (just) but carry on going for it when there was no chance of winning hurts a bit.
Yes Mike they basically took us out the equation . Should have just told us and we could have all gone and done something else . Still the bar takings must have been up
Yes Ronnie, it was busy I will post photos tomorrow.
Yes AG, but there must be still pride in not losing a match even if the end result didn't make a difference.
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Yes AG, but there must be still pride in not losing a match even if the end result didn't make a difference.
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Sorry Mike but I was referring to one rubbish collapse which did happen not to the whole season - get on terms with accepting the very bad with the very good - that is supporting SCCC as I know very well after 68 years of so doing !
Thanks for that clarification Rodders. Even after a mere 51 years of supporting Somerset I too am pretty well on terms with accepting the very bad and the very good, though unlike some I tend to comment more on the latter than the former.
But I'm sure you're right that no other team in history has ever lost five wickets for no run.
Dom does not yet have a pro deal of any length - item number one on Matthew Maynard's to-do list, I would think!!!
And so it came to pass that the spirit of Chester le Street 2010 stalked the Stragglers today. And it fashioned the day in much the same pattern. A morning and early afternoon of steadily growing hope tinged with a deep foreboding that something lurked that would dash that hope. Hope and expectation not quite aligned. An uneasy feeling.
Middlesex slowly repaired an unpromising position though it seemed with little hope of getting far enough fast enough to help their cause. Yorkshire stuck hard to their task though made little enough headway. So Nottinghamshire on the TV in the Members Lounge at Chester le Street. Half way into the day we were half way to that elusive Championship or so it felt save for that nagging doubt. That little voice whispering, 'This will not be. Not this year. It is not your time'.
At Chester le Street the realisation that the whisper knew the fates dawned slowly as Nottinghamshire's controlled acceleration gradually picked off the batting bonus points; one, two, three, four, five; that they needed. In the Stragglers today the realisation came like a thunderbolt despatched by some malevolent spirit as Gale walked off after a drinks break only to return to unleash upon us the despond of declaration bowling.
Shrieks of horror, anguish and protest rent the air as our carefully built hopes crashed around us in the face of a target which Yorkshire would surely walk more easily than the local park. At Chester le Street the horror grew more slowly yet the final destruction of our hopes arrived as surely as the three Lancashire wickets Nottinghamshire needed fell like skittles in a strike.
And so at Chester le Street the dream died. At the Stragglers the spirit that sent the thunderbolt had not finished its work. As Nottinghamshire had bowled to get those three deadly wickets on the screen at Chester le Street so the spirit drove Middlesex to bowl like men inspired in the Stragglers. Yorkshire were pegged back, miraculously wickets fell, and hopes rose with the run rate. Middlesex were doing us proud. Then the final realisation dawned. Yorkshire were going to chase to the last wicket, the last wicket did not tarry and in a flash a light went out in all our hearts.
In that same flash the dream that sustained us through the last four days was no more. The Championship was gone. Memories of Chester le Street lost in the numbness of the dashing of another dream.
As only cricket can our loss and the means of it brought forward a kaleidoscope of contradictory emotions in an explosion of noise. Despair at our loss, dismay at its means, burning pride for our team, grudging admiration for our opponents' and their fight to the finish, anger at such connivance in the Championship, excitement at the spectacle of the chase, numbness at the realisation of its consequences and exaustion from the ebbing and flowing tide of raw emotion that swept up and down the Stragglers all day.
And so at the end of the day, when all has been said and done, like a latter day Phoenix from the ashes the dream faintly rises. It will germinate and grow through the winter as wounds heal and spirits rise. Spring will bring hope renewed and the dream revived with added vigour. The Stragglers 2016 and Chester le Street 2010 heroic defeats to be avenged. And this time the avenging to be done by a team seasoned in the heat of this year's incomparable challenge, sharpened by the rise of our young blades and stiffened by the example of James Hildreth's unimaginable bravery.
So let us dream again. And dare to dream that we have a team that when it comes to the hazard has it within its powers to grasp the Championship with both hands and leave all others in its wake.
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Middlesex slowly repaired an unpromising position though it seemed with little hope of getting far enough fast enough to help their cause. Yorkshire stuck hard to their task though made little enough headway. So Nottinghamshire on the TV in the Members Lounge at Chester le Street. Half way into the day we were half way to that elusive Championship or so it felt save for that nagging doubt. That little voice whispering, 'This will not be. Not this year. It is not your time'.
At Chester le Street the realisation that the whisper knew the fates dawned slowly as Nottinghamshire's controlled acceleration gradually picked off the batting bonus points; one, two, three, four, five; that they needed. In the Stragglers today the realisation came like a thunderbolt despatched by some malevolent spirit as Gale walked off after a drinks break only to return to unleash upon us the despond of declaration bowling.
Shrieks of horror, anguish and protest rent the air as our carefully built hopes crashed around us in the face of a target which Yorkshire would surely walk more easily than the local park. At Chester le Street the horror grew more slowly yet the final destruction of our hopes arrived as surely as the three Lancashire wickets Nottinghamshire needed fell like skittles in a strike.
And so at Chester le Street the dream died. At the Stragglers the spirit that sent the thunderbolt had not finished its work. As Nottinghamshire had bowled to get those three deadly wickets on the screen at Chester le Street so the spirit drove Middlesex to bowl like men inspired in the Stragglers. Yorkshire were pegged back, miraculously wickets fell, and hopes rose with the run rate. Middlesex were doing us proud. Then the final realisation dawned. Yorkshire were going to chase to the last wicket, the last wicket did not tarry and in a flash a light went out in all our hearts.
In that same flash the dream that sustained us through the last four days was no more. The Championship was gone. Memories of Chester le Street lost in the numbness of the dashing of another dream.
As only cricket can our loss and the means of it brought forward a kaleidoscope of contradictory emotions in an explosion of noise. Despair at our loss, dismay at its means, burning pride for our team, grudging admiration for our opponents' and their fight to the finish, anger at such connivance in the Championship, excitement at the spectacle of the chase, numbness at the realisation of its consequences and exaustion from the ebbing and flowing tide of raw emotion that swept up and down the Stragglers all day.
And so at the end of the day, when all has been said and done, like a latter day Phoenix from the ashes the dream faintly rises. It will germinate and grow through the winter as wounds heal and spirits rise. Spring will bring hope renewed and the dream revived with added vigour. The Stragglers 2016 and Chester le Street 2010 heroic defeats to be avenged. And this time the avenging to be done by a team seasoned in the heat of this year's incomparable challenge, sharpened by the rise of our young blades and stiffened by the example of James Hildreth's unimaginable bravery.
So let us dream again. And dare to dream that we have a team that when it comes to the hazard has it within its powers to grasp the Championship with both hands and leave all others in its wake.
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I don't have a problem with a bit of joke bowling to get to a position where a declaration will give both teams a chance of winning the match. I do have a problem if it was agreed that the team chasing the runs would continue to throw the bat at the ball when they had no realistic chance of getting to the target. With 5 overs to go, only 2 wickets in hand and something like 60 runs needed it rather looked as though Yorkshire said "OK Middlesex. You win".
Middlesex did well & congratulations to them, but it all leaves a pretty sour taste in the mouth, with mammoth consequences derived from a grubby deal manufactured, suitably, in the dressing room toilet.
Wonderful prose from FW above, and we must surely use the winter to steel our resolve. We are not going to get (nor should we expect) any help in attaining the ultimate goal, so let's just ensure we continue the momentum of the last couple of months, right into the very start of next season. If we do, we will have the darned thing won by the middle of August.
Debate will follow over what comes next, but priority number one, must be the appointment of a Captain very much in the liking of our departing leader. Anything else would be a step backwards.
Well done to all for this season, but let us now invoke the spirit of 1979. The fantastic victories then achieved followed disappointments in 1978 which, at the time, were even harder to bear than those which we all feel today.
Grizzzly
Wonderful prose from FW above, and we must surely use the winter to steel our resolve. We are not going to get (nor should we expect) any help in attaining the ultimate goal, so let's just ensure we continue the momentum of the last couple of months, right into the very start of next season. If we do, we will have the darned thing won by the middle of August.
Debate will follow over what comes next, but priority number one, must be the appointment of a Captain very much in the liking of our departing leader. Anything else would be a step backwards.
Well done to all for this season, but let us now invoke the spirit of 1979. The fantastic victories then achieved followed disappointments in 1978 which, at the time, were even harder to bear than those which we all feel today.
Grizzzly
Interesting comments here from MM. Looks like a Captain is already lined up for next year, (and perhaps gives credence to CJM's recent hypothesis ?):
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So we lose the title by a rule change. We made sure tjay wasn't going to happen this time. Then we lose it by a third party deal that has an amount of untasteful stuff in it. So the lesson to learn is "Win the CC1 early".
Learn the lessons. Move on. Come back stronger.
Learn the lessons. Move on. Come back stronger.
We shall see, Grizzly, but - had anything already been agreed with Clarke, then I cannot really see why MM could not say so.
So his comments make me wonder whether his intended target may currently be under contract with another county - i.e perhaps the Captaincy is to be dangled, by way of a carrot, to persuade somebody to move to Taunton?
So his comments make me wonder whether his intended target may currently be under contract with another county - i.e perhaps the Captaincy is to be dangled, by way of a carrot, to persuade somebody to move to Taunton?
The deliberately bad joke bowling and the decision to deliberately exclude the draw from the equation leave a bad taste because as we all know at heart it is a hair's breadth from fixing the result.
Middlesex needed to take more risks to set a more challenging total or accept that they would have fewer overs to bowl Yorks out. It was absolutely in their gift to set up the game legitimately but they were too risk averse to try and do so.
However the worst aspects were those relating to 'do or die' cricket. The draw is a perfectly acceptable result in the previous 120 odd games in the season but not in this one, final game of the season. If Yorks had got to the final overs with no chance of winning would they have thrown their wickets away to hold up their side of the bargain ?
Glad that of the two Middlesex won because of their superb run chase to beat us at Taunton. So disappointed that they didn't have the cajones or sense of fair play to do so without the shenanigans.
Middlesex needed to take more risks to set a more challenging total or accept that they would have fewer overs to bowl Yorks out. It was absolutely in their gift to set up the game legitimately but they were too risk averse to try and do so.
However the worst aspects were those relating to 'do or die' cricket. The draw is a perfectly acceptable result in the previous 120 odd games in the season but not in this one, final game of the season. If Yorks had got to the final overs with no chance of winning would they have thrown their wickets away to hold up their side of the bargain ?
Glad that of the two Middlesex won because of their superb run chase to beat us at Taunton. So disappointed that they didn't have the cajones or sense of fair play to do so without the shenanigans.
Well for a start the deal could be not quite done, far from done, or barely started. Or we could be wide of the mark.
Re: the other side to keep going for it business (as part of an agreement):
I actually wonder whether the same deal may have been done on our ground against Middlesex. After all, it looked like there was zero chance of bowling Middx out in the overs that were left precisely because - on a flat track - it seemed very likely that they could shut up shop if they lost early wickets.. and yet we nearly won precisely because Middx did not shut up shop at any point but just kept swinging for it.. Just a thought...
Maybe Rogers just knew that would be Franklin's mentality or maybe he did not know that Middx would just keep hitting out...........but it will be apparent that, had Middx not kept hitting out we'd have had no real chance of winning the game.
I actually wonder whether the same deal may have been done on our ground against Middlesex. After all, it looked like there was zero chance of bowling Middx out in the overs that were left precisely because - on a flat track - it seemed very likely that they could shut up shop if they lost early wickets.. and yet we nearly won precisely because Middx did not shut up shop at any point but just kept swinging for it.. Just a thought...
Maybe Rogers just knew that would be Franklin's mentality or maybe he did not know that Middx would just keep hitting out...........but it will be apparent that, had Middx not kept hitting out we'd have had no real chance of winning the game.
Hypothetical in the extreme....you really do have to try and move on from that game AG..... you seem to be stuck in a time loop of irrelevance.
It was a game. We tried a new approach, luck wasn't with us and we lost narrowly and that.....I am afraid no matter how you try to bend the events to some other reality.... was that.
It was a game. We tried a new approach, luck wasn't with us and we lost narrowly and that.....I am afraid no matter how you try to bend the events to some other reality.... was that.
We don't seem to have used the captaincy as a 'carrot' for the purpose of attracting Davies..... unless of course we have.
Congratulations Middlesex, deserved over the whole season despite the shenanigans of yesterday. Yes we all got the ease of the target wrong, but the inference that Yorkshire were not allowed to defend when the cause became hopeless leaves a bad taste.
I still can't accept the 5 Live Sports Extra commentator yesterday at the time of the joke bowling (don't know his name) going on about how it was the turning wickets prepared at Taunton that was to blame for what was going on!
It seems to me that the ECB wants players to be able to bat and bowl in varying and difficult (not dangerous) conditions. We are developing great spin bowlers, other counties have good spin bowlers too, and batsmen that can play spin. Yet when we prepare such pitches, which are the same for both teams playing that game, we are criticised and they would rather see flat tracks and contrived results - and then wonder why when players are elevated to test level, they can't cope with turning or other types of track around the world!
I still can't accept the 5 Live Sports Extra commentator yesterday at the time of the joke bowling (don't know his name) going on about how it was the turning wickets prepared at Taunton that was to blame for what was going on!
It seems to me that the ECB wants players to be able to bat and bowl in varying and difficult (not dangerous) conditions. We are developing great spin bowlers, other counties have good spin bowlers too, and batsmen that can play spin. Yet when we prepare such pitches, which are the same for both teams playing that game, we are criticised and they would rather see flat tracks and contrived results - and then wonder why when players are elevated to test level, they can't cope with turning or other types of track around the world!
Hear hear Rod.
If the pitches were illegal the many visits from inspectors would have identified them as such. I talked to one of those inspectors at the Middlesex match. He found nothing wrong with the pitch, just the batting. The next week we had the inspector in the press box. He came to the same conclusion. Somerset struggle with a moving ball at pace and everyone else it seems can't deal with good spinners.
How do they get to do that? They face them regularly!!
Each side gets the same chance....Middlesex beat us on one at Taunton,
AND Somerset did not just win at home. We beat Yorkshire away for heaven's sake. That result put us in the frame yesterday.
Talking out of their posteriors because of embarrassment about what they had to fiddle to win
It's OK guys....we'll meet you at Taunton again..... and you can moan all you like
If the pitches were illegal the many visits from inspectors would have identified them as such. I talked to one of those inspectors at the Middlesex match. He found nothing wrong with the pitch, just the batting. The next week we had the inspector in the press box. He came to the same conclusion. Somerset struggle with a moving ball at pace and everyone else it seems can't deal with good spinners.
How do they get to do that? They face them regularly!!
Each side gets the same chance....Middlesex beat us on one at Taunton,
AND Somerset did not just win at home. We beat Yorkshire away for heaven's sake. That result put us in the frame yesterday.
Talking out of their posteriors because of embarrassment about what they had to fiddle to win
It's OK guys....we'll meet you at Taunton again..... and you can moan all you like
I don't like some of what went on at Lords yesterday and it's sad that it happened at the home of cricket, but if we do what's right while we're on the pitch, then such happenings can't affect us.
Titles are won and lost over a long season.
Would have been dreadful for Sky if we'd won the title. They needed the victors to be on their live coverage.
Congratulations Middx and Compo, Barmy Kev, Chunky in Argyll et al.
Titles are won and lost over a long season.
Would have been dreadful for Sky if we'd won the title. They needed the victors to be on their live coverage.
Congratulations Middx and Compo, Barmy Kev, Chunky in Argyll et al.
The morning after the night before.
A tour of twitter and fans forums reveals that-
Yorkshire fans reckon they were robbed by the ECB (missing the point that Bresnan wouldn't have batted as high as 5 so therefore wouldn't have had the opportunity to score so many runs, or that Hodd, who wouldn't have played, made 60 in first innings) Those that failed for Yorkshire would have played anyway. The ones that did well either wouldn't have played (rafiq playing as Rashid wanted a rest) or would have batted lower in order- so ECB didn't have an impact. The grocer was seen laughing and joking with Gillespie on the Yorkshire balcony on day two, so no conspiracy there.
Grockles fans reckon it was a disgraceful collaberation whilst probably not realising 14 overs were lost to bad light on day one and couldn't be made up the following day because of time lost to rain on day 2. I think about 16-20 overs went out of the game because of those two stoppages, which would be the difference between setting Yorkshire a target conventionally, and having joke bowling to make up the lost time.
We don't know for sure if Yorkshire would have shut up shop, as the last 3 wickets (the tailenders) were blasted out by Middlesex rather than playing reckless shots.
And Middlesex would have blamed Mick Hunt, because we have no say in our own wickets, and would have blamed Somerset for producing 'result tracks' (something Middlesex can't do, as Mick Hunt does exactly as he pleases preparing 5 day test match wickets for four day county cricket)
Anyway, congratulations on second place. That isn't a wind up. I like you all, and I like this site. I guess it shows how much we all wanted the title that all 3 sets of supporters had their excuses lined up (someone else to blame)if it didn't end up the way we wanted.
A tour of twitter and fans forums reveals that-
Yorkshire fans reckon they were robbed by the ECB (missing the point that Bresnan wouldn't have batted as high as 5 so therefore wouldn't have had the opportunity to score so many runs, or that Hodd, who wouldn't have played, made 60 in first innings) Those that failed for Yorkshire would have played anyway. The ones that did well either wouldn't have played (rafiq playing as Rashid wanted a rest) or would have batted lower in order- so ECB didn't have an impact. The grocer was seen laughing and joking with Gillespie on the Yorkshire balcony on day two, so no conspiracy there.
Grockles fans reckon it was a disgraceful collaberation whilst probably not realising 14 overs were lost to bad light on day one and couldn't be made up the following day because of time lost to rain on day 2. I think about 16-20 overs went out of the game because of those two stoppages, which would be the difference between setting Yorkshire a target conventionally, and having joke bowling to make up the lost time.
We don't know for sure if Yorkshire would have shut up shop, as the last 3 wickets (the tailenders) were blasted out by Middlesex rather than playing reckless shots.
And Middlesex would have blamed Mick Hunt, because we have no say in our own wickets, and would have blamed Somerset for producing 'result tracks' (something Middlesex can't do, as Mick Hunt does exactly as he pleases preparing 5 day test match wickets for four day county cricket)
Anyway, congratulations on second place. That isn't a wind up. I like you all, and I like this site. I guess it shows how much we all wanted the title that all 3 sets of supporters had their excuses lined up (someone else to blame)if it didn't end up the way we wanted.
I concur AG re the middx game. And after all you said it was just a thought .......nothing more
Horrible affair at Lords, but I don't think Somerset would have done it very differently - I think Maynard and Trescothick said as much (I'm paraphrasing my father, I didn't get to listen). And Vic Marks on Radio 4 this very second just said that MM said he'd have done the same. It's just that we got caught in a very unusual - unique perhaps? - set of circumstances and we were unfortunate victims of it. Accusations of gambling conspiracies were far from the mark (and potentially libellous - I'm a magazine journalist and I wouldn't have cast aspersions like that). And loads of us misread the declaration, showing what we know - though I think Tres also thought it was generous; I thought it would be a walk in the park for Yorks (wrong, Mr Withers!). I reckon the only legitimate gripe is that Yorks seemed willing to throw it away at the end.
By the way, do you all remember what I said when Rogers joined Somerset?
That he was prepared to lose a game to win a game.
That's what happened when he set Middlesex 302 in 46 overs.
And all that happened yesterday was no different- Two captains willing to lose a game to win a game.
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That he was prepared to lose a game to win a game.
That's what happened when he set Middlesex 302 in 46 overs.
And all that happened yesterday was no different- Two captains willing to lose a game to win a game.
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I think your signature at the bottom of your posts is out of date Botham. I think you could say we've 'sprouted'.
Titles are won and lost over a long season as you so rightly say. I'm sure your consistent support towards that end has been appreciated by...... some.
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Titles are won and lost over a long season as you so rightly say. I'm sure your consistent support towards that end has been appreciated by...... some.
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I think the only thing most of the comments here say is that Yorkshire were required to play against nature when it was obvious they could not win. All credit to Toby Roland Jones but the Yorkshiremen were required to swing to reach a total that was totally unrealistic. Bowlers knew that and could bowl accordingly.
The hat trick therefore loses a little shine and the result is a little shabby. But as you say Chunky it is all part of the game we play and at least the record of the winners justified the place in the end.
The hat trick therefore loses a little shine and the result is a little shabby. But as you say Chunky it is all part of the game we play and at least the record of the winners justified the place in the end.
Quote:By the way, do you all remember what I said when Rogers joined Somerset?
That he was prepared to lose a game to win a game.
That's what happened when he set Middlesex 302 in 46 overs.
And all that happened yesterday was no different- Two captains willing to lose a game to win a game.
Completely missing the point. Nothing wrong with setting whatever target a captain wants to set. It's the gifting of runs to falsely get to that position that's the issue.
The ECB etc could wait for the dust to settle and then make it known for next season that deliberate junk bowling and deliberately getting out are not acceptable as they risk bringing the game into disrepute. The key word here if course is 'could'.
I have just check the scoreboard to make sure I have the details correct.
Yorkshire at the end of the 35th over needed 62 runs with only two wickets remaining and five overs to get them in.
That was over twelve an over required with only two tail-enders to bat, normally they would play for a draw to stop the other team from winning.
That is what I don't like.
Yorkshire at the end of the 35th over needed 62 runs with only two wickets remaining and five overs to get them in.
That was over twelve an over required with only two tail-enders to bat, normally they would play for a draw to stop the other team from winning.
That is what I don't like.
"It seems to me that the ECB wants players to be able to bat and bowl in varying and difficult (not dangerous) conditions. We are developing great spin bowlers, other counties have good spin bowlers too, and batsmen that can play spin. Yet when we prepare such pitches, which are the same for both teams playing that game, we are criticised and they would rather see flat tracks and contrived results - and then wonder why when players are elevated to test level, they can't cope with turning or other types of track around the world!"
Here is what should happen (IMO, of course) - all Groundsmen should be centrally employed by the ECB with the specific aim of producing a great variety of wickets. The only type of track that should *not* be deliberately prepared are uneven ones, IMO.
Otherwise, we should have some tracks for CC games that are quick and bouncy, some that seam around, some that turn late in games (and some that turn early) etc - this would prepare prospective Test cricketers for the variety of conditions that they will see around the world. Whatever Mr Bell might think (viz his ignorant comments re: Jack), English Test players WILL encounter Test tracks - in many sub-continental places that do turn early in the piece. I know, I have seen them (maybe Bell wasn't paying attention)?
Some people will repeat the old mantra that "a good pitch is one that has pace and bounce with a little bit in it for the seamers early on and which then takes turn later." It is certainly true that good games can be had on such surfaces - sans doute. But it is also true that uniformity is stultifying and dull AND that it is far from the case that all Tests are played on such surfaces.
Unfortunately, the logical extension of my premise is that the ECB would also have to try to prepare some low and slow tracks, but so be it.
Here is what should happen (IMO, of course) - all Groundsmen should be centrally employed by the ECB with the specific aim of producing a great variety of wickets. The only type of track that should *not* be deliberately prepared are uneven ones, IMO.
Otherwise, we should have some tracks for CC games that are quick and bouncy, some that seam around, some that turn late in games (and some that turn early) etc - this would prepare prospective Test cricketers for the variety of conditions that they will see around the world. Whatever Mr Bell might think (viz his ignorant comments re: Jack), English Test players WILL encounter Test tracks - in many sub-continental places that do turn early in the piece. I know, I have seen them (maybe Bell wasn't paying attention)?
Some people will repeat the old mantra that "a good pitch is one that has pace and bounce with a little bit in it for the seamers early on and which then takes turn later." It is certainly true that good games can be had on such surfaces - sans doute. But it is also true that uniformity is stultifying and dull AND that it is far from the case that all Tests are played on such surfaces.
Unfortunately, the logical extension of my premise is that the ECB would also have to try to prepare some low and slow tracks, but so be it.
"Grockles fans reckon it was a disgraceful collaberation whilst probably not realising 14 overs were lost to bad light on day one and couldn't be made up the following day because of time lost to rain on day 2. I think about 16-20 overs went out of the game because of those two stoppages, which would be the difference between setting Yorkshire a target conventionally, and having joke bowling to make up the lost time. "
Sorry, but we knew this.
YOu cannot serioously be suggessting that, with the addition of 16-20 overs, Middx would have been at all likely to have been able to get themselves sufficiently far ahead (vs proper bowling) to have made a reasonable declaration (one that gave both sides every chance) at all likely, Chunky?
I am not having a pop at MIddx, I'm having a pop at the joke of an ECB for allowing (under the rules) teams to deliberatly not try for a portion of the game (the joke bowling portion)>
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Sorry, but we knew this.
YOu cannot serioously be suggessting that, with the addition of 16-20 overs, Middx would have been at all likely to have been able to get themselves sufficiently far ahead (vs proper bowling) to have made a reasonable declaration (one that gave both sides every chance) at all likely, Chunky?
I am not having a pop at MIddx, I'm having a pop at the joke of an ECB for allowing (under the rules) teams to deliberatly not try for a portion of the game (the joke bowling portion)>
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(and even if you don't agree with the point re:the missing overs, the reality is that the elements are part of the game). We could argue all off-season about what might have happened in other games, but for rain - e.g. we would almost certainly have been smashed at Durham, we would almost certainly have crushed Warks. We would probably have beaten Hants. We may well have won at home to Yorks. But for snow and other garbage weather, we might have suffered the humiliation of defeat at the Oval............etc etc. I'm sure Middlesex and Yorkshire could produce similar lists.
The ECB should outlaw the ridiculous spectre of one side not trying which, as Mikeindex rightly said, is a practice which mocks the paying punter, the integrity of the game etc.
Middlesex were unbeaten for the whole season, so they deserve the title overall, but the wider point stands.
The ECB should outlaw the ridiculous spectre of one side not trying which, as Mikeindex rightly said, is a practice which mocks the paying punter, the integrity of the game etc.
Middlesex were unbeaten for the whole season, so they deserve the title overall, but the wider point stands.
"Horrible affair at Lords, but I don't think Somerset would have done it very differently - I think Maynard and Trescothick said as much (I'm paraphrasing my father, I didn't get to listen)"
Bad law (or the absence of good law) will always be exploited. It's the same thing with tax avoidance - those that avoid it get criticized but their behaviour is entirely rational given the prevailing laws.
So change the laws.
(I have no doubt that Maynard and Rogers would have done the same thing).
Bad law (or the absence of good law) will always be exploited. It's the same thing with tax avoidance - those that avoid it get criticized but their behaviour is entirely rational given the prevailing laws.
So change the laws.
(I have no doubt that Maynard and Rogers would have done the same thing).
I would like to see what the ECB do about a batsman deliberately giving away his wicket, by asking the bowler if he fancies a catch. Surely the is bringing the game into disrepute.
Practicality wise, how could this be done?
A definition could be arrived at for an occasional bowler or non-bowler. This could be based on the average number of overs they have bowled per season over the past 3-5 seasons or so (with compensation allowed for games that they were not picked for).
A rule could be set than an occasional bowler or non-bowler is not allowed to bowl more than a certain number of overs in a game *unless* their economy rate is below a specified number of runs per over - let's say 2.5..
Or, it could, of course, be left to the common-sense discretion of the umpires which is probably a far better solution.
I'm surprised that CJM has not suggested this yet.......... I don't personally think there would have been any gambling conspiracy BUT let's just say that, had either Captain been at all reluctant to engage in yesterday's shenanigans, suffice to say that the sport's paymasters would have - sans doute - applied considerable pressure to a recalcitrant party..
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A definition could be arrived at for an occasional bowler or non-bowler. This could be based on the average number of overs they have bowled per season over the past 3-5 seasons or so (with compensation allowed for games that they were not picked for).
A rule could be set than an occasional bowler or non-bowler is not allowed to bowl more than a certain number of overs in a game *unless* their economy rate is below a specified number of runs per over - let's say 2.5..
Or, it could, of course, be left to the common-sense discretion of the umpires which is probably a far better solution.
I'm surprised that CJM has not suggested this yet.......... I don't personally think there would have been any gambling conspiracy BUT let's just say that, had either Captain been at all reluctant to engage in yesterday's shenanigans, suffice to say that the sport's paymasters would have - sans doute - applied considerable pressure to a recalcitrant party..
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Six years ago Durham played heart and soul and with utter professionalism to deny us the win that would have crowned us. No argument at all, in fact respect. Whilst there was no gain for them in doing so but it was their duty to the integrity of the competition. I also remember Leicester? doing the same to deny us the John Player when it would have been our first ever trophy).
It is a professional sportsman's duty _ indeed any sportsman's duty - to seek the best possible result in the circumstances. The lower order batsman yesterday and their masters who instructed them have disgraced their profession and status as sportsmen
It is a professional sportsman's duty _ indeed any sportsman's duty - to seek the best possible result in the circumstances. The lower order batsman yesterday and their masters who instructed them have disgraced their profession and status as sportsmen
The main thing I objected to yesterday was the joke bowling. I think it should be outlawed - it is the equivalent of two football teams which, at the end of the season, need to draw simply playing tippy- tappy to each other. If yesterday's joke bowling was permissible, what is the difference between that and two teams which both need to draw to stay up (or one needing to draw to stay up and the other needing to draw to be champions) agreeing to bowl softly so that neither side wins? And while I certainly don't think that there was even the tiniest suspicion that either captain (or anyone else) was party to some sort of betting scam, any bookmaker who saw Gale go off the pitch would immediately have cut the odds on a draw.
I am well aware that, in the past, there were often contrived finishes. But those were more innocent times. Like AG, I would rely on the umpires' discretion. (Incidentally, if the match liaison officer wasn't present to rule out the use of joke bowling, what would have needed to happen for him to have intervened?)
I also agree with Railboy's comments about the apparent agreement that Yorkshire would effectively throw the match if they couldn't win.
All that said, well done (as I said yesterday) to Middlesex. If we couldn't win, I'm glad that you did. And thanks to Adelaide and to Chunkers for their generous comments - I, for one, always appreciate your contributions.
Finally, I suggest that Botham gets rid of his strapline, which looks even more ridiculous now than it did when he started using it.
I am well aware that, in the past, there were often contrived finishes. But those were more innocent times. Like AG, I would rely on the umpires' discretion. (Incidentally, if the match liaison officer wasn't present to rule out the use of joke bowling, what would have needed to happen for him to have intervened?)
I also agree with Railboy's comments about the apparent agreement that Yorkshire would effectively throw the match if they couldn't win.
All that said, well done (as I said yesterday) to Middlesex. If we couldn't win, I'm glad that you did. And thanks to Adelaide and to Chunkers for their generous comments - I, for one, always appreciate your contributions.
Finally, I suggest that Botham gets rid of his strapline, which looks even more ridiculous now than it did when he started using it.
Your first question is, of course, rhetorical and the answer should indeed be obvious to all - even to those myopic moles at the ECB.
Quite right, Railboy. I was there at CLS and Durham did their damnedest to stop us. What's more, that match was played on the same kind of lifeless track that obtained at Lord's over the previous four days, but there was no manipulation to obtain a result, inspite of said fact.
No amount of debate or argument is going to change the course of events yesterday. However, I have a vague recollection of something that happened when we missed out on the title a few years ago.
I think that (as in the last round of matches this year) the last games of the season were about to be played with possibly 3 teams still in with a shout of the title. I thought that I had read that the E C B were going to send an official to each of the 3 games in question to ensure that no dubious declarations etc. were going to be made. This I thought they did and nothing untoward took place.
I may well be wrong and I have made a cursory search to try to find reference to it, but to no avail. Sadly I can not accurately identify the year in question, if indeed it ever happened.
Does anyone else recall reading about this?
I think that (as in the last round of matches this year) the last games of the season were about to be played with possibly 3 teams still in with a shout of the title. I thought that I had read that the E C B were going to send an official to each of the 3 games in question to ensure that no dubious declarations etc. were going to be made. This I thought they did and nothing untoward took place.
I may well be wrong and I have made a cursory search to try to find reference to it, but to no avail. Sadly I can not accurately identify the year in question, if indeed it ever happened.
Does anyone else recall reading about this?
I Wonder how much of Rule 42 was taken into consideration before the agreement between the two counties involved. "Quote"....
42 Law 42 – Fair and Unfair Play
42.1 Guidelines for the Modus Operandi of Match Referees
A Match Referee may be appointed to a specific match at any stage during the season. This will help to avoid
potentially damaging speculation relating to games where both teams could achieve their immediate goals through the result of the match.
The Match Referee will:
• Conduct a meeting with the Umpires and Captains before the start of the match
• Have the power to liaise with Umpires and Captains at any stage
• Only intervene if he feels that practices in the match are unacceptable
• Ensure that the Captains inform him of any agreements that have been reached between them
• Be available to members of the media and liaise with them immediately to head off any unjustified criticism.
If the Match Referee feels that the match is being conducted in an unacceptable manner, then he will raise his concerns with the Captain(s) and issue a formal warning. The Match Referee will inform the ECB Cricket Department and the County Chief Executive(s) concerned at the earliest opportunity of any warnings issued. If, in the Match Referee’s judgement the match continues to be conducted in an unacceptable manner, he will again call the ECB Cricket Department who will organise for the Head of Operations (First-Class Cricket) or the Umpires Manager or another accredited Match Referee to join the Referee at the match in question. The Match Referee will conduct a two-man hearing at the earliest opportunity after the end of the match.
The following will be interviewed at the hearing (an Executive of each County or their nominee will be entitled to observe the interviews):
• The Umpire
• The Captains of each team
• Anyone else deemed to have information relevant to the situation
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2
Playing Conditions Domestic Matches The LV= County Championship and Other First Class Matches
At the end of the interview process, the Match Referee will ask the Executives (or their nominee) to confirm that they are happy that all relevant evidence has been gathered, and that the hearing has been conducted in a fair manner. The Match Referee will contact the Chairman of the Cricket Committee and / or the ECB Chief Executive before announcing whether the sanction outlined below will be imposed.
For all other matches when Match Referees have not been appointed, the ECB Cricket Department, with the approval of the Chairman of Cricket Committee or the ECB Chief Executive, will have the authority to appoint a two-man panel to conduct a post match ‘hearing’. (The two-man Panel to consist of at least one appointed Match Referee with the Head of Operations (First-Class Cricket) and the Umpires Manager able to serve on the Panel). With no Match Referee appointed prior to the start of the match there will be no provision for a formal warning to be issued.
If in any match the conduct of one or both teams is found to have been unacceptable, then any points gained by the team(s) in the match (or matches if there was a cross-competition agreement) will be declared to be null and void.
The above penalty is imposed under the procedures agreed by ECB’s First Class Forum in December 1999.
A County has the right to appeal against the decision of the hearing. Any appeal must be communicated to the Head of Operations (First-Class Cricket) or Umpires Manager within 24 hours of the hearing’s decision. A bond in respect of the appeal will be placed via ECB having the right to deduct an amount up to £5000 from future distributions to the County in question. The bond or any part of it may be retained by the Appeal Panel at its discretion whether the appeal is successful or not. The Chairman of the Cricket Committee will be requested to convene an Appeal Panel comprising two
of his nominees and the Chairman of the Cricket Discipline Commission or his nominee who will chair the Appeal Panel. The Appeal Panel will hear the appeal as soon as possible. The decision of the Appeal Panel will be made as soon as possible after the appeal hearing and will be communicated to the home Chief Executive/Secretary at the earliest opportunity. The decision of the Appeal Panel will be final and binding.
42 Law 42 – Fair and Unfair Play
42.1 Guidelines for the Modus Operandi of Match Referees
A Match Referee may be appointed to a specific match at any stage during the season. This will help to avoid
potentially damaging speculation relating to games where both teams could achieve their immediate goals through the result of the match.
The Match Referee will:
• Conduct a meeting with the Umpires and Captains before the start of the match
• Have the power to liaise with Umpires and Captains at any stage
• Only intervene if he feels that practices in the match are unacceptable
• Ensure that the Captains inform him of any agreements that have been reached between them
• Be available to members of the media and liaise with them immediately to head off any unjustified criticism.
If the Match Referee feels that the match is being conducted in an unacceptable manner, then he will raise his concerns with the Captain(s) and issue a formal warning. The Match Referee will inform the ECB Cricket Department and the County Chief Executive(s) concerned at the earliest opportunity of any warnings issued. If, in the Match Referee’s judgement the match continues to be conducted in an unacceptable manner, he will again call the ECB Cricket Department who will organise for the Head of Operations (First-Class Cricket) or the Umpires Manager or another accredited Match Referee to join the Referee at the match in question. The Match Referee will conduct a two-man hearing at the earliest opportunity after the end of the match.
The following will be interviewed at the hearing (an Executive of each County or their nominee will be entitled to observe the interviews):
• The Umpire
• The Captains of each team
• Anyone else deemed to have information relevant to the situation
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2
Playing Conditions Domestic Matches The LV= County Championship and Other First Class Matches
At the end of the interview process, the Match Referee will ask the Executives (or their nominee) to confirm that they are happy that all relevant evidence has been gathered, and that the hearing has been conducted in a fair manner. The Match Referee will contact the Chairman of the Cricket Committee and / or the ECB Chief Executive before announcing whether the sanction outlined below will be imposed.
For all other matches when Match Referees have not been appointed, the ECB Cricket Department, with the approval of the Chairman of Cricket Committee or the ECB Chief Executive, will have the authority to appoint a two-man panel to conduct a post match ‘hearing’. (The two-man Panel to consist of at least one appointed Match Referee with the Head of Operations (First-Class Cricket) and the Umpires Manager able to serve on the Panel). With no Match Referee appointed prior to the start of the match there will be no provision for a formal warning to be issued.
If in any match the conduct of one or both teams is found to have been unacceptable, then any points gained by the team(s) in the match (or matches if there was a cross-competition agreement) will be declared to be null and void.
The above penalty is imposed under the procedures agreed by ECB’s First Class Forum in December 1999.
A County has the right to appeal against the decision of the hearing. Any appeal must be communicated to the Head of Operations (First-Class Cricket) or Umpires Manager within 24 hours of the hearing’s decision. A bond in respect of the appeal will be placed via ECB having the right to deduct an amount up to £5000 from future distributions to the County in question. The bond or any part of it may be retained by the Appeal Panel at its discretion whether the appeal is successful or not. The Chairman of the Cricket Committee will be requested to convene an Appeal Panel comprising two
of his nominees and the Chairman of the Cricket Discipline Commission or his nominee who will chair the Appeal Panel. The Appeal Panel will hear the appeal as soon as possible. The decision of the Appeal Panel will be made as soon as possible after the appeal hearing and will be communicated to the home Chief Executive/Secretary at the earliest opportunity. The decision of the Appeal Panel will be final and binding.
Tis done - forget it and move on - lots of ifs and buts I think but if we had not had a crazy collapse in our last match we would probably have made 400 and the extra bonus point would have made Yorkshire irrelevant and then they would almost certainly not have thrown the match away as they did. Having said that every other county has ifs and buts as well so no point dwelling on it. I will just have to try and live a little longer as I say at the end of every season.
Not sure about the matches in question, but also check Lancashire v Middlesex September 2014 in a relegation showdown.
The ECB was closely scrutinising the game and declarations within it e.g. to deny Middlesex a bowling bonus point - Rule 14.
Did the declaration at Lords yesterday get the nod from the umpires and the ECB as to its intent?
The ECB was closely scrutinising the game and declarations within it e.g. to deny Middlesex a bowling bonus point - Rule 14.
Did the declaration at Lords yesterday get the nod from the umpires and the ECB as to its intent?
I suppose this was different from 2010 in that the title contenders were playing against each other this time - at least they were both trying to win, it would be worse if a mid table team had made a similar deal to gift a title.
Key questions directly from ECB Rule 42, recent post by nelliec:
1). Who was the match referee?
2). Did the captains inform him of their agreements?
3). Did he feel the match conduct was unacceptable?
If there was no match referee when will there be a post match 'hearing'?
1). Who was the match referee?
2). Did the captains inform him of their agreements?
3). Did he feel the match conduct was unacceptable?
If there was no match referee when will there be a post match 'hearing'?
The circumstances were odd, in that a result was vital to both teams. There was no value in the draw for either team. I can't blame Yorkshire for chasing a win, even when it became extremely unlikely. In effect it was like a 1 day game, where if you are 7 down, there is no point in batting out time. This was extremely unfortunate for us, but we knew that was a possibility going into the game and we knew that was the case going into the last day.
I really wish things had gone our way and an un-predicted storm or delay would have been most welcome.
I think we were fantastic in the run in and it's frustrating that we came up short by such a narrow margin again.
To paraphrase Ian Dury, the best plan for next year us to be absolutely f-ing magnificent and win by a country mile ;-)
I really wish things had gone our way and an un-predicted storm or delay would have been most welcome.
I think we were fantastic in the run in and it's frustrating that we came up short by such a narrow margin again.
To paraphrase Ian Dury, the best plan for next year us to be absolutely f-ing magnificent and win by a country mile ;-)
The ECB says it wants to attract more youngsters to Cricket, Fridays farcical contrived game is certainly not the way to do so.
If I had paid good money to go to Lords and watched I would have felt robbed I am afraid.
While I obviously wanted Somerset to win the championship my thoughts are not "Sour Grapes"
but that the climax of the season left a bad taste in my mouth I am afraid.
JUST NOT CRICKET I FELT.
But well done to Middlesex worthy winners on the seasons performance.
If I had paid good money to go to Lords and watched I would have felt robbed I am afraid.
While I obviously wanted Somerset to win the championship my thoughts are not "Sour Grapes"
but that the climax of the season left a bad taste in my mouth I am afraid.
JUST NOT CRICKET I FELT.
But well done to Middlesex worthy winners on the seasons performance.
I know it's time to let this go but it's a real struggle.
What really irks me is that Middx made absolutely no effort to set the game up themselves. People say Tresc would have done the same given the match circumstances but that's just not true. If we'd batted as well as Middx had and were 80 odd ahead at lunch we'd have thrown the kitchen sink at it. Can you imagine Trego, Cove, Van de Mere, Davies, even Bess letting dot ball after dot ball go by. They'd have given it an absolute thrash with or without Joke bowling and certainly wouldn't have 'died wondering'.
The ECB really should look at the collusion to ensure a result in this game. I'm certain they won't though.
What really irks me is that Middx made absolutely no effort to set the game up themselves. People say Tresc would have done the same given the match circumstances but that's just not true. If we'd batted as well as Middx had and were 80 odd ahead at lunch we'd have thrown the kitchen sink at it. Can you imagine Trego, Cove, Van de Mere, Davies, even Bess letting dot ball after dot ball go by. They'd have given it an absolute thrash with or without Joke bowling and certainly wouldn't have 'died wondering'.
The ECB really should look at the collusion to ensure a result in this game. I'm certain they won't though.
It really was a most unusual set of circumstances, Beergoggles.
Middlesex didn't need to risk losing wickets (and the game) by taking risks. They knew Galw would have to do a deal.
One joke doing the rounds is that Andrew Gale has been put in charge of Brexit negotiations.
Middlesex didn't need to risk losing wickets (and the game) by taking risks. They knew Galw would have to do a deal.
One joke doing the rounds is that Andrew Gale has been put in charge of Brexit negotiations.
The match in question was played at Lord's, the Home of Cricket, under the noses of many MCC and ECB officials. Perhaps the ECB President Giles Clarke (formerly of this Parish) was in attendance as well. Maybe they were all lapping up the hospitality available to them whilst the cricket being played on the hallowed turf was but a sideshow.
Unless the officials of Somerset (is not Andy Nash a member of the ECB's Board?) make an official request to hold an investigation into the "collusion" (and I do not for one minute consider that they will, because had they done so there would have been rumblings out in the open by now) nothing will happen.
Even if the ECB made a half - hearted attempt to examine it in detail, I am sure that they would come to the conclusion that the actions of both sides did not "bring the game into disrepute".
Many Somerset supporters, as well as a few neutrals, would not agree with that hypothetical conclusion, but such is the way of the World in cricket.
I shall remember the events of this past week for a long time, but it is now time to move on.
Onwards and upwards to 2017, when I doubt that at the start of the season we will again be considered to be a favourite for relegation. But you never know do you?
Unless the officials of Somerset (is not Andy Nash a member of the ECB's Board?) make an official request to hold an investigation into the "collusion" (and I do not for one minute consider that they will, because had they done so there would have been rumblings out in the open by now) nothing will happen.
Even if the ECB made a half - hearted attempt to examine it in detail, I am sure that they would come to the conclusion that the actions of both sides did not "bring the game into disrepute".
Many Somerset supporters, as well as a few neutrals, would not agree with that hypothetical conclusion, but such is the way of the World in cricket.
I shall remember the events of this past week for a long time, but it is now time to move on.
Onwards and upwards to 2017, when I doubt that at the start of the season we will again be considered to be a favourite for relegation. But you never know do you?
I think Rule 42 is about where both teams could get what they want from messing about. Rather like that infamous Austria-Germany World Cup match years ago. Suppose a Lancs v Warwicks draw would have been sufficient to relegate Hampshire automatically. Then obvious contrivance of that draw would have been a breach of the rule. Quite how you would pick up less obvious contrivance I'm not sure.
On Friday, only one team could get what they wanted but without contrivance neither would have done. That makes it different; both were giving themselves the chance, not the certainty, of getting the outcome they wanted.
I must admit that my initial reaction (like that of the MTWD reporter) to the joke bowling was to regret that three and a half days of gut wrenching intensity had turned into a farce. I also thought (like most of you) that the declaration was too generous. But (like the MTWD reporter) I was entranced into it again as the intensity returned.
I don't agree with Roger Ivanhoe. The greater crime against attracting new followers would have been for the match to subside into a shaking of hands at 4.30. Whatever you think of the way it came about, the climax resulted in "top of the sports news" coverage on TV and full pages in papers which usually barely report the scores. Apparently 10,000 were at Lord's and the proportion who felt short changed was probably minute. The four day attendance was over 20,000 (without counting large numbers of MCC and MCCC members) which is the highest CC attendance at Lord's for fifty years! That's got to be worth celebrating.
To Beergoggles, could I say that when the new ball was taken the quick loss of a couple of wickets would have left Middlesex in trouble; they had to be cautious from the moment they were 2-2, and they were facing what I still believe to the best seam attack in the country. The irony of much of the match is that whatever supporters - yours, ours of Yorkshire's - wanted at any specific time may have been bad for their county's prospects. If you had got 400, for example, and Yorkshire hadn't, might they then have folded? Or would they have relished digging in? Who knows?
Just to get over this pitches thing, I'm in full agreement with providing different types of pitch. It's probably a question of balance, that is providing wickets that will provide at least three full days in most circumstances and - this is the more difficult one - are not so different to elsewhere that opposition spinners and batsmen have nowhere near the experience of playing on them that yours have. (Good grief, some county will be putting their pitches on a slope next!) Get that balance right and you have some home advantage, good matches and good news for spinners generally, not just yours.
I suspect that the way the points had fallen will make this particular climax a rarity. I can't help wondering whether WWIII would break out if Surrey and Somerset are two of the three teams involved in a similar situation. I'd like to think that people would forget their animosities amidst the tension and end up with the same sort of mutual respect that is there between the teams and supporters of Middlesex and Yorkshire.
Ban-ki-MoonAdelaide
On Friday, only one team could get what they wanted but without contrivance neither would have done. That makes it different; both were giving themselves the chance, not the certainty, of getting the outcome they wanted.
I must admit that my initial reaction (like that of the MTWD reporter) to the joke bowling was to regret that three and a half days of gut wrenching intensity had turned into a farce. I also thought (like most of you) that the declaration was too generous. But (like the MTWD reporter) I was entranced into it again as the intensity returned.
I don't agree with Roger Ivanhoe. The greater crime against attracting new followers would have been for the match to subside into a shaking of hands at 4.30. Whatever you think of the way it came about, the climax resulted in "top of the sports news" coverage on TV and full pages in papers which usually barely report the scores. Apparently 10,000 were at Lord's and the proportion who felt short changed was probably minute. The four day attendance was over 20,000 (without counting large numbers of MCC and MCCC members) which is the highest CC attendance at Lord's for fifty years! That's got to be worth celebrating.
To Beergoggles, could I say that when the new ball was taken the quick loss of a couple of wickets would have left Middlesex in trouble; they had to be cautious from the moment they were 2-2, and they were facing what I still believe to the best seam attack in the country. The irony of much of the match is that whatever supporters - yours, ours of Yorkshire's - wanted at any specific time may have been bad for their county's prospects. If you had got 400, for example, and Yorkshire hadn't, might they then have folded? Or would they have relished digging in? Who knows?
Just to get over this pitches thing, I'm in full agreement with providing different types of pitch. It's probably a question of balance, that is providing wickets that will provide at least three full days in most circumstances and - this is the more difficult one - are not so different to elsewhere that opposition spinners and batsmen have nowhere near the experience of playing on them that yours have. (Good grief, some county will be putting their pitches on a slope next!) Get that balance right and you have some home advantage, good matches and good news for spinners generally, not just yours.
I suspect that the way the points had fallen will make this particular climax a rarity. I can't help wondering whether WWIII would break out if Surrey and Somerset are two of the three teams involved in a similar situation. I'd like to think that people would forget their animosities amidst the tension and end up with the same sort of mutual respect that is there between the teams and supporters of Middlesex and Yorkshire.
I can only imagine the reaction if Somerset and Middlesex were to engage in connivance in a final season match, the outcome of which was to deny the Brown Caps the CC..
As I said on Friday, I'm not in the least concerned about a few overs of joke bowling designed to set up a declaration which gives both sides a chance of winning. I'm pretty sure that Rogers would have done the same thing if we had been in the position of Middlesex or Yorkshire. What sticks in my craw is the thought that there might have been a "sub-clause" in the declaration agreement to the effect that if either team reached the position from which it was near impossible for them to win they would lose the match rather than play for a draw. Yorkshire arguably reached that position with about 5 overs to go. I wonder, for example, if the boot had been on the other foot and Yorkshire had needed say 34 runs off the last 3 overs with 7 or 8 wickets in hand, Middlesex would have brought their fielders in from the boundary and put Rayner on to bowl a couple of overs of full tosses and long hops to give Yorkshire the runs they needed. We shall never know.
I have changed my signature, but I don't like many of the poor decisions that were made early and mid-season. We were very poor in the T20, which many seem to have forgotten about.
Great that we introduced Dom Bess and had more faith in our youngsters, but just think where we could have been had we brave enough earlier?
What I would like to happen on this site, is that even if newcomer's (or old timers) posts seem crazy, controversial or what, they be given equal chance and a decent welcome.
I sincerely believe that the vast majority of posters on this site wish the best for SCCC, otherwise why would they waste their time posting.
Great that we introduced Dom Bess and had more faith in our youngsters, but just think where we could have been had we brave enough earlier?
What I would like to happen on this site, is that even if newcomer's (or old timers) posts seem crazy, controversial or what, they be given equal chance and a decent welcome.
I sincerely believe that the vast majority of posters on this site wish the best for SCCC, otherwise why would they waste their time posting.
Angell Face
I wondered that too. Also what would have happened if 40 had been needed off the last over. If there was no reverse favour to be had, I can only imagine that without the "boys keep swinging" clause the target would have been stiffer, just as it would have been if Bairstow had been allowed to play (which in my view he should).
Adelaide
I wondered that too. Also what would have happened if 40 had been needed off the last over. If there was no reverse favour to be had, I can only imagine that without the "boys keep swinging" clause the target would have been stiffer, just as it would have been if Bairstow had been allowed to play (which in my view he should).
Adelaide
I don't think anyone has forgotten, Botham, but - for many - T20 is a distant third in the list of priorities.
Cricket - even more so than other sports - is a confidence game. In the CC, we got on a roll and the reverse applied in the T20.
Cricket - even more so than other sports - is a confidence game. In the CC, we got on a roll and the reverse applied in the T20.
Well Mr Botham. I don't think anyone has forgotten the T20 tournament. It does seems to be where your memory of the season seems to have stopped however because you have been pretty absent once the side started to move forward a little..
Everyone gets a welcome here - they go off the rails themselves in many cases because they value their opinion as paramount and few others of equal value.
They get an 'equal chance' and if they back up their points when asked for more detail they become valued and solid members.
If they don't and their solution on being questioned about their opinion is to play the insult or persecution cards then they obviously lose the respect of the posting population and probably need to go elsewhere. Many can back themselves up and do, spirited and informed debate is what Grockles welcomes..
I can't agree with you that they all want the best for Somerset. Some want a side to complain about and Somerset sometimes provide ample reason and is local to their homes but those posters have little intention of celebrating the good times...that's certainly NOT what they are here for and probably why some are not all that welcome when a side turns the corner and they don't.
Their absence is welcomed and the moment the side takes a downturn and they are posting again then their contributions are discounted understandably.
Why do they bother to post? A number of posters have asked that very question this year.... no real answer forthcoming. They get off on it somehow...
Sorry some of them are like minded souls to you but there you go.... you are in the minority on this supporters site and have been for many years...and you're still here. If people want to be here they need to be here in the good and the bad times...or stop complaining about their lot perhaps?
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Everyone gets a welcome here - they go off the rails themselves in many cases because they value their opinion as paramount and few others of equal value.
They get an 'equal chance' and if they back up their points when asked for more detail they become valued and solid members.
If they don't and their solution on being questioned about their opinion is to play the insult or persecution cards then they obviously lose the respect of the posting population and probably need to go elsewhere. Many can back themselves up and do, spirited and informed debate is what Grockles welcomes..
I can't agree with you that they all want the best for Somerset. Some want a side to complain about and Somerset sometimes provide ample reason and is local to their homes but those posters have little intention of celebrating the good times...that's certainly NOT what they are here for and probably why some are not all that welcome when a side turns the corner and they don't.
Their absence is welcomed and the moment the side takes a downturn and they are posting again then their contributions are discounted understandably.
Why do they bother to post? A number of posters have asked that very question this year.... no real answer forthcoming. They get off on it somehow...
Sorry some of them are like minded souls to you but there you go.... you are in the minority on this supporters site and have been for many years...and you're still here. If people want to be here they need to be here in the good and the bad times...or stop complaining about their lot perhaps?
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Some of the post on here is worded so well, if you feel strongly enough why not contact the ECB.
I know it will be a waste of time but let your feelings be known.
From the ECB site.
Please note, ECB does not have an email address for general correspondence, so you need to use the specific ones listed below on this page re your area of interest - or email via our general 'feedback@ecb.co.uk' website address and we will pass it on accordingly.
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I know it will be a waste of time but let your feelings be known.
From the ECB site.
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The dust has settled and what is done is done. What an amazing season, unless your sole interest is T20 cricket. I always find this time of year so horrible, six months with no proper cricket. Proper cricket, by my definition is cricket played by Somerset, and only Somerset. Surely this year is different to 2010, that was a side at it's zenith, robbed of glory, but never to climb those heights again. Time has past, rebuilding done, this team has exceeded expectation, but can and will come again. More tweaks in the winter, time for James H, and Jamie O to mend. Dare to dream that 2017 will be the year it finally happens. I desperately hope so, not for me, I still have (I hope) time on my side, but for Marcus.
As I read the reports of Friday's events, I was struck by the looks on the player's faces, as they reacted to what was happening at Lord's.
That was real hurt and pain & it reminded me of the events of September 1978.You could see they felt it deeply and I'm sure they will remember it vividly throughout the winter months.
With the ability the players collectively have, the drive to go one step further and win the Championship will hopefully be there right from the start of 2017.
All we need now is the right leader, so fingers crossed that decision is made wisely.
I wonder if Mr Allenby is on MM's radar for the job ?
Grizzzly
That was real hurt and pain & it reminded me of the events of September 1978.You could see they felt it deeply and I'm sure they will remember it vividly throughout the winter months.
With the ability the players collectively have, the drive to go one step further and win the Championship will hopefully be there right from the start of 2017.
All we need now is the right leader, so fingers crossed that decision is made wisely.
I wonder if Mr Allenby is on MM's radar for the job ?
Grizzzly
Firstly, thank you to those who have welcomed me to this site and to those who have complimented me on my posts. Both have been much appreciated. Now below my contribution to the Lords contrived declaration debate:
The debate unleashed by the contrived declaration at Lords, on these pages and others, speaks eloquently of so many things cricket and so many things human on so many levels.
It goes to the heart of the meaning of cricket and to the heart of how each of us sees cricket and perhaps how each of us sees the qualities of integrity, fairness and justice in the world. The debate has therefore been argued with a depth of feeling and an intensity to match the intensity of the cricket throughout the Championship season and the intensity of the cricket in the final session at Lords until the point where Yorkshire succumbed and Middlesex prevailed.
High speed intensity in the final session perhaps but will anyone who saw it forget the sustained primeval power of Roland-Jones’ bowling, in his first spell as much as his second, and the tenacity of Bresnan’s batting. Achilles and Hector in whites perhaps. A hard fought intensity though made possible, in the end, only by a connivance and ended by Yorkshire holding to their word that they would charge to the end come what may.
So many questions arise. Should a competition which has been fought hard throughout the season without connivance end with a connivance to produce a result? If so what value the result? Or should two teams, each with all to lose or all to gain, not connive and as a consequence both lose all and a third team gain all? Was the connivance the antithesis of all that makes cricket great or did it allow two teams to resolve the issue of which of them was the greater? Would such a connivance have been more acceptable had a third team not been involved? Or had the third team simply come up just short of resolving the issue in its own favour? How we each argue these and other points in this debate may say as much about how we each in our own way view the principles which underpin cricket as about the rights and wrongs of this match.
In so many ways therefore this match goes to the core of those principles of fairness, justice and integrity held so dear in cricket. In cricket though as in life principles sometimes collide. There is integrity in a batsman walking but is there fairness and justice if other batsmen do not? We would have all three but the world and cricket sometimes present us with situations where we must choose.
Cricket’s ability to provide perpetual opportunities for us to argue these basic human principles is one of so many things that makes it such a great game. Sometimes in cricket, as in life, we each choose differently and we each hold to the principles we hold dearest and so the arguments do not get resolved and are unresolvable because there is no right or wrong in arguing one principle against another; only personal belief. And so when all have argued their corner and a standstill in the debate has been reached the only positive action is to move on for otherwise the debate becomes static and prolonged and resolves nothing.
In this case let us, as soon as we can, move on to next season and trust that our team carries forward the majestic momentum gained at the end of this season; and develops a determination to use that momentum to propel us into a position at the end of next season where though others may connive all they might they will not catch us.
That for me as far as cricket goes, is the positive lesson of this whole affair. Start each match next season with a clear determination that the outcome of it will play its part in where we intend to be at the end of the season. It will anyway and so we should make every endeavour to see to it that the playing of every match shapes it to our purpose and to that end all should now bend their will and energy.
Onward Somerset.
The debate unleashed by the contrived declaration at Lords, on these pages and others, speaks eloquently of so many things cricket and so many things human on so many levels.
It goes to the heart of the meaning of cricket and to the heart of how each of us sees cricket and perhaps how each of us sees the qualities of integrity, fairness and justice in the world. The debate has therefore been argued with a depth of feeling and an intensity to match the intensity of the cricket throughout the Championship season and the intensity of the cricket in the final session at Lords until the point where Yorkshire succumbed and Middlesex prevailed.
High speed intensity in the final session perhaps but will anyone who saw it forget the sustained primeval power of Roland-Jones’ bowling, in his first spell as much as his second, and the tenacity of Bresnan’s batting. Achilles and Hector in whites perhaps. A hard fought intensity though made possible, in the end, only by a connivance and ended by Yorkshire holding to their word that they would charge to the end come what may.
So many questions arise. Should a competition which has been fought hard throughout the season without connivance end with a connivance to produce a result? If so what value the result? Or should two teams, each with all to lose or all to gain, not connive and as a consequence both lose all and a third team gain all? Was the connivance the antithesis of all that makes cricket great or did it allow two teams to resolve the issue of which of them was the greater? Would such a connivance have been more acceptable had a third team not been involved? Or had the third team simply come up just short of resolving the issue in its own favour? How we each argue these and other points in this debate may say as much about how we each in our own way view the principles which underpin cricket as about the rights and wrongs of this match.
In so many ways therefore this match goes to the core of those principles of fairness, justice and integrity held so dear in cricket. In cricket though as in life principles sometimes collide. There is integrity in a batsman walking but is there fairness and justice if other batsmen do not? We would have all three but the world and cricket sometimes present us with situations where we must choose.
Cricket’s ability to provide perpetual opportunities for us to argue these basic human principles is one of so many things that makes it such a great game. Sometimes in cricket, as in life, we each choose differently and we each hold to the principles we hold dearest and so the arguments do not get resolved and are unresolvable because there is no right or wrong in arguing one principle against another; only personal belief. And so when all have argued their corner and a standstill in the debate has been reached the only positive action is to move on for otherwise the debate becomes static and prolonged and resolves nothing.
In this case let us, as soon as we can, move on to next season and trust that our team carries forward the majestic momentum gained at the end of this season; and develops a determination to use that momentum to propel us into a position at the end of next season where though others may connive all they might they will not catch us.
That for me as far as cricket goes, is the positive lesson of this whole affair. Start each match next season with a clear determination that the outcome of it will play its part in where we intend to be at the end of the season. It will anyway and so we should make every endeavour to see to it that the playing of every match shapes it to our purpose and to that end all should now bend their will and energy.
Onward Somerset.
Allenby should absolutely NOT be on MM's radar. Quite apart from anything else he was not selected (for reasons other than injury) in 25 percent of our CC games.
And he should be far from a shoo-in for a regular CC1 place next season.
If we follow the bunsen strategy he may seldom play in home CC1 games.
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And he should be far from a shoo-in for a regular CC1 place next season.
If we follow the bunsen strategy he may seldom play in home CC1 games.
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No Allenby. The message of the comments made recently are definitely that the captain options would be joining the club not already here. AG mentions Jim cannot guarantee a place in the CC side and in my view has to be doubtful as T20 captain for next year which means his present short form skipper role is also a matter for debate.
His playing improvement is to be welcomed but I think MM would be signing his resignation papers if he tried to push Jim as a club captain.
His playing improvement is to be welcomed but I think MM would be signing his resignation papers if he tried to push Jim as a club captain.
This is a quote from Matthew Maynard in an article on Cricinfo
"We have five youngsters who are coming through and we've also signed Steve Davies. I have a clear idea as to who I'd like as captain to take over from Chris Rogers but I'm not at liberty to say who that is yet."
So it would appear that the decision has been made.
[www.espncricinfo.com]
"We have five youngsters who are coming through and we've also signed Steve Davies. I have a clear idea as to who I'd like as captain to take over from Chris Rogers but I'm not at liberty to say who that is yet."
So it would appear that the decision has been made.
[www.espncricinfo.com]
Thank you for such a great read Farmer White.
As anything in public life, declaration arrangements made between opposing Captains must be truly open and announced at the time to the fans to avoid this damaging speculation. I see most people here accept that it was agreed at Lords the game would not end in a draw. Were Somerset consulted about this and accepted they would finish runners-up? If so what was promised to them for the future???
In terms of raising the profile of this great game, the cosy deal has done it negatively here in Somerset. Yes, every sports minded person is talking of it, the older ones of a memorable weekend in 1978 when they could have won the JP league and Gillette cup but didn't. (The trophy cabinet for the first ever 'silverware' was purchasing the next year.) However, the younger people ask why I am following the County Championship as games like this show it's not cool. One said "Sportsmen should give their best, I don't want to play cricket when I'm older". And those that have had too much cider talk of booing Middx and Yorks when they come to Taunton next year. We don't have sour grapes here, just sour apples, and the cider sings. I wonder what the sponsors make of it, being linked with this contrivance...
The key moment for me was when Somerset collapsed at the end of their first innings in the last match against Notts. Before that point 400 runs looked likely and Yorks could not win the championship, if Somerset got maximum bowling points which they did. In the end 1 batting bonus point was conceded despite some heroics from the last pair. Without that point all deals would have been off at Lords leaving the game drawn and Somerset champions. That collapse from a side so dominant against a team already relegated is one of the reasons cricket is the most intriguing sport.
Somerset have one of their best squads in years and still improving of which much has been said by others. Although Chris Rogers will be missed (I wouldn't have liked to be in the pavilion after the collapse), I will mention Dom Bess as the one to watch. This is as least by the older folk who follow the championship beyond the last 40 overs of the deciding game.
As anything in public life, declaration arrangements made between opposing Captains must be truly open and announced at the time to the fans to avoid this damaging speculation. I see most people here accept that it was agreed at Lords the game would not end in a draw. Were Somerset consulted about this and accepted they would finish runners-up? If so what was promised to them for the future???
In terms of raising the profile of this great game, the cosy deal has done it negatively here in Somerset. Yes, every sports minded person is talking of it, the older ones of a memorable weekend in 1978 when they could have won the JP league and Gillette cup but didn't. (The trophy cabinet for the first ever 'silverware' was purchasing the next year.) However, the younger people ask why I am following the County Championship as games like this show it's not cool. One said "Sportsmen should give their best, I don't want to play cricket when I'm older". And those that have had too much cider talk of booing Middx and Yorks when they come to Taunton next year. We don't have sour grapes here, just sour apples, and the cider sings. I wonder what the sponsors make of it, being linked with this contrivance...
The key moment for me was when Somerset collapsed at the end of their first innings in the last match against Notts. Before that point 400 runs looked likely and Yorks could not win the championship, if Somerset got maximum bowling points which they did. In the end 1 batting bonus point was conceded despite some heroics from the last pair. Without that point all deals would have been off at Lords leaving the game drawn and Somerset champions. That collapse from a side so dominant against a team already relegated is one of the reasons cricket is the most intriguing sport.
Somerset have one of their best squads in years and still improving of which much has been said by others. Although Chris Rogers will be missed (I wouldn't have liked to be in the pavilion after the collapse), I will mention Dom Bess as the one to watch. This is as least by the older folk who follow the championship beyond the last 40 overs of the deciding game.
Thanks for that article fo - well written, and good comments below it.
I think MM saying he knows who he wants and the decision having been made are two quite different things though.
I think MM saying he knows who he wants and the decision having been made are two quite different things though.
Morning all, been a bit busy since last Friday, only just recovered, in more ways than one. Lovely posts on this thread by many, not least from the excellent Farmer White, good to see some quality coming out of Holford again.
As for the events of last week? Firstly I'm immensely proud of our lads, we deserved better than we got. But hey ho, such is life, the experiences of the year will stand them in good stead for next season. If we can continue where we left off we'll win the CC by a country mile . Also we must all say a huge thank you to Chris Rogers, what an immense contribution he made to the club. Gutted to see him go.
And the events at Lord's? Let's not get too upset about, I'm sure we'd have done the same. We won't need firing up the next time we play them.
So, a brilliant season comes to an end, the most positive in a long while.
See you all next spring.
As for the events of last week? Firstly I'm immensely proud of our lads, we deserved better than we got. But hey ho, such is life, the experiences of the year will stand them in good stead for next season. If we can continue where we left off we'll win the CC by a country mile . Also we must all say a huge thank you to Chris Rogers, what an immense contribution he made to the club. Gutted to see him go.
And the events at Lord's? Let's not get too upset about, I'm sure we'd have done the same. We won't need firing up the next time we play them.
So, a brilliant season comes to an end, the most positive in a long while.
See you all next spring.
I have to say I think we finished where we deserved to finish and we can't be at all sad about it. The ending might have been better but I haven't seen anyone here who says we SHOULD have beaten Middlesex. We could have and would have been happy to take the title if we had but they were the side of the year in the CC1 and if the thing was handed out on merit then they would have been the worthy recipients.
I would rather win it next year if we come out firing from Day 1 and beat everyone else and finish as the CC1 side of the year. That would be more satisfying than listening to the weedy excuses of those who came behind us this year because we had a better last 60% of the season than them.
Let's do it from the starting gate boys and girls.
I would rather win it next year if we come out firing from Day 1 and beat everyone else and finish as the CC1 side of the year. That would be more satisfying than listening to the weedy excuses of those who came behind us this year because we had a better last 60% of the season than them.
Let's do it from the starting gate boys and girls.
My last word on the subject, but as my non cricket supporting work colleague observed " didn't you guys (meaning cricket fraternity)recently send some young kid to jail for bowling a couple no balls?"
And from my own observation, we got kicked out of the tournament along with all sorts of other sanctions when we deliberately threw a match back in the late 70's.
There, done and dusted. When do the fixtures come out?
And from my own observation, we got kicked out of the tournament along with all sorts of other sanctions when we deliberately threw a match back in the late 70's.
There, done and dusted. When do the fixtures come out?
Between the way that the season ended, the Durham fiasco and the city cricket garbage (and attendant gagging clauses) the Evil Cricket Board look more and more ridiculous with each passing day. In my view they are now approaching a level of contemptibility that has previously only been attained by the BCCI.
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I finally got to the end of this thread yesterday evening, wanting to ensure that I knew rather more about the goings-on in the last round of the CC than the bare scores, having been out of the country during that fateful week. My profound feeling is of gratitude that I was spared all that tension and potential embarrassment at having posted wildly dogmatic statements about what was happening or going to happen in the two matches concerned and then having to take my face to the egg-removing cleaners. Seeing that picture in the American newspaper of all those old codgers in the Stragglers' Bar made me wonder if some of them had keeled over in the excitement of it all - and whether I, even in my seniority, would have been barred from entry on the grounds of looking too young.
That last sentence reminds me of the excellent point made by Mike the Lense some time ago about the need for the ECB, inter alia, to recognise that we have an ageing population who also deserve their pleasures after long working lives. And we are more likely to leave a little something in our wills to our respective counties than the T20 generation.
It certainly seems that there was something a little unsavoury about the last afternoon at Lord's, not least Middlesex's very slow batting until the joke bowling came on. Happily, my sources within the ECB have leaked the news to me that the match will be declared void - and the CC re-awared to... Hampshire, on the ground that they are the southernmost county in the league.
It seems there was some curmudgeonly nonsense emitted by some in the media about the state of Taunton's pitches, ignoring the fact that they were the same for each side that played there. Interestingly, in the last four matches at HQ (after the Middlesex defeat) Somerset's batsmen scored five enturies against their opponents' two, exactly the same figures as for the first four matches. In those last four matches Somerset bowlers took 75 wickets and lost only 63. Both batting and bowling figures show that Somerset made much better use of the conditions than the visitors did. I'll leave it to others with even bigger anoraks than I have to calculate how many of those wickets were taken by the home and visiting spinners. SCCC can hardly be blamed for the prowess of its three relatively low profile slow bowlers.
As many others have said, the arrival of Farmer White has massively enhanced the quality of this site. No finer writer has been seen in my time here and I think that there is indeed a real possibility that JCW and VJM are one and the same (both slow bowlers of county farming stock, natives who played for the county and for England). The allusions and the elegance and complete security of the sentence structure hint at a classical education, which we know is what VJM (though not JCW) enjoyed at Blundells and St John's College Oxford. I have noted the scrupulous way in which VJM the journalist never seeks to promote his home county and its players above others and admired his restraint. If this site provides an outlet to profess where his real passion lies, then we have even more to be thankful for and I hope he will continue to contribute as eloquently as in recent weeks. (And I shall forgive him for what I hope was merely a temporary aberration in omitting the final e from Headingley).
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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That last sentence reminds me of the excellent point made by Mike the Lense some time ago about the need for the ECB, inter alia, to recognise that we have an ageing population who also deserve their pleasures after long working lives. And we are more likely to leave a little something in our wills to our respective counties than the T20 generation.
It certainly seems that there was something a little unsavoury about the last afternoon at Lord's, not least Middlesex's very slow batting until the joke bowling came on. Happily, my sources within the ECB have leaked the news to me that the match will be declared void - and the CC re-awared to... Hampshire, on the ground that they are the southernmost county in the league.
It seems there was some curmudgeonly nonsense emitted by some in the media about the state of Taunton's pitches, ignoring the fact that they were the same for each side that played there. Interestingly, in the last four matches at HQ (after the Middlesex defeat) Somerset's batsmen scored five enturies against their opponents' two, exactly the same figures as for the first four matches. In those last four matches Somerset bowlers took 75 wickets and lost only 63. Both batting and bowling figures show that Somerset made much better use of the conditions than the visitors did. I'll leave it to others with even bigger anoraks than I have to calculate how many of those wickets were taken by the home and visiting spinners. SCCC can hardly be blamed for the prowess of its three relatively low profile slow bowlers.
As many others have said, the arrival of Farmer White has massively enhanced the quality of this site. No finer writer has been seen in my time here and I think that there is indeed a real possibility that JCW and VJM are one and the same (both slow bowlers of county farming stock, natives who played for the county and for England). The allusions and the elegance and complete security of the sentence structure hint at a classical education, which we know is what VJM (though not JCW) enjoyed at Blundells and St John's College Oxford. I have noted the scrupulous way in which VJM the journalist never seeks to promote his home county and its players above others and admired his restraint. If this site provides an outlet to profess where his real passion lies, then we have even more to be thankful for and I hope he will continue to contribute as eloquently as in recent weeks. (And I shall forgive him for what I hope was merely a temporary aberration in omitting the final e from Headingley).
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Is omitting the final e from Headingley as bad as putting an extra e on the end of lens?
No correcting allowed, Loyal of Lhasa.
No correcting allowed, Loyal of Lhasa.
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The allusions and the elegance and complete security of the sentence structure hint at a classical education, which we know is what VJM (though not JCW) enjoyed at Blundells...
Well, quite - after all, JCW only went to Taunton School and I'm sure nobody literate ever came out of there...
JCW probably did indeed learn Amo, Amas, Amat... though I doubt he reached such lofty levels as VJM, whose Greek elegaic iamnic pentameters were famed in their time.
The extra e on Lens is for excellence. It's one of those words that always looks incorrectly spelled to me, with or without the e.
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
The extra e on Lens is for excellence. It's one of those words that always looks incorrectly spelled to me, with or without the e.
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
No teasing: just that with the sun shining directly on to my screen today I find that even with the curtains drawn I am finding it difficult to read what I have typed. Let's try again and with a better word order: Elegiac Greek iambic pentameters.
Damn it, the sun's just come out again and the above could be what AGod so eloquently would describe as "garbage".
Damn it, the sun's just come out again and the above could be what AGod so eloquently would describe as "garbage".
Farmer White writes far more eloquently than Victor Marks IMO. I for one can't see a connection.
There is indeed certainly a distinct difference in style, which suggests they are far from one and the same person. A possible explanation is that, liberated from his purportedly objective journalist's role, VJM is writing with the eloquent passion he really feels for his home county - and the best writers ought to be able to write in a variety of styles.
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I must admit that I cannot contribute to the debate regarding Farmer White and VJM but I really delighted to be a reader of any forum that drifts into debates about elegiac Greek iambic pentameters.
Can I enquire who JCW is?
Can I enquire who JCW is?
John Cornish White, known as Farmer or Jack, Somerset & England 1920s/30s.
I love this stuff too, Julia.
I love this stuff too, Julia.
Thanks Mike and Paul - that has filled some gaps in.
I have just been looking at his stats on Cricinfo - 472 FC games was an impressive amount even allowing for the three day games back in those days!
I have just been looking at his stats on Cricinfo - 472 FC games was an impressive amount even allowing for the three day games back in those days!
JuliaW, and the gates on the St James Street entrance of the ground, bear his intials.
That gate entrance could look different by next season. The club intends to make the entrance wider for easier access into the ground.
The JCW gates are listed so I don't know how the club will manage to do it and integrated the gates into the wider entrance.
A photo opportunity when it happens.
The JCW gates are listed so I don't know how the club will manage to do it and integrated the gates into the wider entrance.
A photo opportunity when it happens.
One of the rumours that appeared at the start of last season was a long term one I mentioned about a certain ex-player taking a little time and possibly reconsidering a decision made in 2015.
There has been a tweet today but I think Craig K is only kidding about putting the gloves back on to Jack this afternoon. Hmmmm.......... now that would be interesting.
There has been a tweet today but I think Craig K is only kidding about putting the gloves back on to Jack this afternoon. Hmmmm.......... now that would be interesting.
Yes. I saw the tweet too.
Also heard the rumour that he couldnt play for 2 years because of an insurance payout.
It would be very interesting and at least it warms the soul on a chilly autumn morning !!
Also heard the rumour that he couldnt play for 2 years because of an insurance payout.
It would be very interesting and at least it warms the soul on a chilly autumn morning !!
3 keepers all wanting first team cricket!!!
I would be surprised if the tweet was just no more than a TIC remark.
I would be surprised if the tweet was just no more than a TIC remark.
I agree Roger and even if it wasn't I highly doubt any consideration would include keeping duties.... a batsman maybe. A Championship possibility may alter the consideration... but it is very much 'highly doubtful' presently but certainly a 'watch this space' thing.
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That gate entrance could look different by next season. The club intends to make the entrance wider for easier access into the ground. The JCW gates are listed so I don't know how the club will manage to do it and integrated the gates into the wider entrance.
We were in Taunton today so I took the opportunity to go and have a look at the gates and they are indeed a fine pair of gates - could do with a coat of Hammerite perhaps though during the off season ...
I know I said that was my last word on the subject some time ago, but I stumbled across this interesting little take on the end of season's shenanigans on a football forum!
" Interestingly perhaps Somerset might want to think about instructing counsel. If Durham had all their results expunged as they had 'cheated', such that the Championship was decided between the 8 teams who played within the rules then the final table would have looked like this:
Somerset 199
Middlesex 198
Yorks 177
Surrey 164
Warwicks 159
Lancs 155
Hants 136
Notts 101
" Interestingly perhaps Somerset might want to think about instructing counsel. If Durham had all their results expunged as they had 'cheated', such that the Championship was decided between the 8 teams who played within the rules then the final table would have looked like this:
Somerset 199
Middlesex 198
Yorks 177
Surrey 164
Warwicks 159
Lancs 155
Hants 136
Notts 101
Much though I want Somerset to win the County Championship, it should be the players that win it, not the lawyers!!
A much belated but heartfelt hundred thanks to Loyal of Lhasa for the hundred welcomes and the review of my posts in his post after reading this thread. You ask, LoL if I am VJM and where I have been all these years? Sit awhile and I will tell you the answer to the second question which will also answer the first.
All these years, or at least for most of the last three decades until this year, I lived in exile in the Eastern Marches of Southern England where my white Somerset hat and maroon and white umbrella walked the streets in splendid isolation to the bemused curiosity of the local inhabitants. With the exception of one woman, that is, who stopped me to ask the meaning of the design on the front of my hat. When I explained that it was a wyvern and its significance and that I was off to catch a train to set me off on my journey to Trent Bridge to watch my team she disappeared into the distance exclaiming, “Marvellous! Marvellous! Marvellous!’ I could not have put it better myself.
And it was marvellous. Craig Overton hit a fifty in 28 balls, took six wickets in the match and Somerset won by 133 runs. In fact, it felt marvellous all the way back. Especially when I and my hat were accosted by a City suit at St Pancras with the words, “Somerset! Brilliant win! Brilliant win!” Indeed it was.
And such, when work was done a few years ago, were all summers for me in that far off land in which I never settled. Somerset cricket was what I had followed in detail from afar in the years of work as I kept contact with my roots. Once free from work I travelled to a dozen or more County Championship matches, four or five 40 or 50 over and the occasional 20 over match each season. All were ‘away’ for me, at least as far as travel went, which left me no time to more than read posts on this site.
Post work winters were spent, whilst wearing thermals and layers that had done service watching for the Northern Lights in winter Tromso, walking and sitting and reading on the freezing, windswept coastal mudflats that pass for the sea in eastern parts. Reading that is when I was not dreaming of soaking up the sun in the upper reaches of the Trescothick stand as the man himself or the incomparable James Hildreth stroked the ball through whatever gap the opposition captain had been forced to leave.
Now home in Somerset again looking, as I write, at the Blackdown Hills of my childhood; near enough, it seems, to touch. Or, as I take respite to brew a cup of coffee, the grandeur of the distant Quantocks, from whence a rejected Harold Gimblett strode forth to Frome to win the Lawrence Trophy in his first match; and where I was taken as a child to play among the Seven Sisters on Cothlestone Hill although I am sure we knew it as Buncombe Hill. JC White too went forth from the Quantocks all the way to Adelaide to take thirteen wickets in a Test to beat Australia.
What a county this is we are blessed to belong to whether through residence, birth, cricket or whatever else holds our spirit here. Where else can boast such hills as those of my youth and the Brendons, Mendips and Poldens too. And if hills be not enough then what better than Exmoor with Dunkery Beacon from where Weston can be seen. That same Weston that spawned Peter Trego and a thousand runs this last season.
From these great places to the stark austerity of the Levels or the grandeur that is Bath where Brian Close led the County to victory over the Australians in a different cricketing age but bold in the memory still. Think too of the visibly rising tides that wash ashore at Porlock Weir or the waters of the Tone running down the valley twixt Blackdowns and Brendons to receive sixes from Botham and Trescothick over where their stands now mark the boundary. Or the glory that is Glastonbury, not devoid of Somerset cricketing exploits, and the great façade of the cathedral that adorns England’s smallest city near where Arthur Wellard hit five sixes in an over. Twice.
All the while in my exile memories of these great places sustained me as they lived clear in my mind. Somerset cricket though was my lode stone and any match I could get to a precious link with home. I saw some astonishing cricket too. I watched in wonder as Mark Lathwell score 132 out of 197 all out in a Championship match at Chelmsford. I saw Jimmy Cook cut Waqar Younis either side of gully for two fours at the Oval. When Surrey put in a second gully Cook cut between them for another four. I saw Steve Waugh score 140* out of 247-5 in a Sunday League match at Lords and, so my memory believes, never lift a ball off the ground. Sights like those live for ever in the memory.
Yet we that hail from this great county are not satisfied with just our hills, moors, towns, rivers, seas and cricketing memories. We want too a cricket team that reflects the variety and splendour of our county and does justice to our cricket heritage. We want to win but we want to win in style. We want to win in the Somerset way. We want batsmen who can caress the ball through the gaps and we want batsmen who can clear the ropes. We want bowlers who can blast the opposition out and we want bowlers who can tangle them in knots. We want fielders who can catch the ball spectacularly and we want fielders who can stop it safely. In short we want a team of all the talents.
Well, perhaps, just perhaps with our current mix of all the above and of experience and rising youth we might, just might have the team that can realise our dream. We came close this year as many teams do just before the dream is realised. And unlike 2010, when we came so close with a team at the zenith of its powers, in 2016 we came close with a team still scaling the heights. When they reach their zenith may they just look down and see all others below them? And we who now look on may we then look up and see that Championship pennant flying proud above our very own Caddyshack.
It is a good time to have come home.
All these years, or at least for most of the last three decades until this year, I lived in exile in the Eastern Marches of Southern England where my white Somerset hat and maroon and white umbrella walked the streets in splendid isolation to the bemused curiosity of the local inhabitants. With the exception of one woman, that is, who stopped me to ask the meaning of the design on the front of my hat. When I explained that it was a wyvern and its significance and that I was off to catch a train to set me off on my journey to Trent Bridge to watch my team she disappeared into the distance exclaiming, “Marvellous! Marvellous! Marvellous!’ I could not have put it better myself.
And it was marvellous. Craig Overton hit a fifty in 28 balls, took six wickets in the match and Somerset won by 133 runs. In fact, it felt marvellous all the way back. Especially when I and my hat were accosted by a City suit at St Pancras with the words, “Somerset! Brilliant win! Brilliant win!” Indeed it was.
And such, when work was done a few years ago, were all summers for me in that far off land in which I never settled. Somerset cricket was what I had followed in detail from afar in the years of work as I kept contact with my roots. Once free from work I travelled to a dozen or more County Championship matches, four or five 40 or 50 over and the occasional 20 over match each season. All were ‘away’ for me, at least as far as travel went, which left me no time to more than read posts on this site.
Post work winters were spent, whilst wearing thermals and layers that had done service watching for the Northern Lights in winter Tromso, walking and sitting and reading on the freezing, windswept coastal mudflats that pass for the sea in eastern parts. Reading that is when I was not dreaming of soaking up the sun in the upper reaches of the Trescothick stand as the man himself or the incomparable James Hildreth stroked the ball through whatever gap the opposition captain had been forced to leave.
Now home in Somerset again looking, as I write, at the Blackdown Hills of my childhood; near enough, it seems, to touch. Or, as I take respite to brew a cup of coffee, the grandeur of the distant Quantocks, from whence a rejected Harold Gimblett strode forth to Frome to win the Lawrence Trophy in his first match; and where I was taken as a child to play among the Seven Sisters on Cothlestone Hill although I am sure we knew it as Buncombe Hill. JC White too went forth from the Quantocks all the way to Adelaide to take thirteen wickets in a Test to beat Australia.
What a county this is we are blessed to belong to whether through residence, birth, cricket or whatever else holds our spirit here. Where else can boast such hills as those of my youth and the Brendons, Mendips and Poldens too. And if hills be not enough then what better than Exmoor with Dunkery Beacon from where Weston can be seen. That same Weston that spawned Peter Trego and a thousand runs this last season.
From these great places to the stark austerity of the Levels or the grandeur that is Bath where Brian Close led the County to victory over the Australians in a different cricketing age but bold in the memory still. Think too of the visibly rising tides that wash ashore at Porlock Weir or the waters of the Tone running down the valley twixt Blackdowns and Brendons to receive sixes from Botham and Trescothick over where their stands now mark the boundary. Or the glory that is Glastonbury, not devoid of Somerset cricketing exploits, and the great façade of the cathedral that adorns England’s smallest city near where Arthur Wellard hit five sixes in an over. Twice.
All the while in my exile memories of these great places sustained me as they lived clear in my mind. Somerset cricket though was my lode stone and any match I could get to a precious link with home. I saw some astonishing cricket too. I watched in wonder as Mark Lathwell score 132 out of 197 all out in a Championship match at Chelmsford. I saw Jimmy Cook cut Waqar Younis either side of gully for two fours at the Oval. When Surrey put in a second gully Cook cut between them for another four. I saw Steve Waugh score 140* out of 247-5 in a Sunday League match at Lords and, so my memory believes, never lift a ball off the ground. Sights like those live for ever in the memory.
Yet we that hail from this great county are not satisfied with just our hills, moors, towns, rivers, seas and cricketing memories. We want too a cricket team that reflects the variety and splendour of our county and does justice to our cricket heritage. We want to win but we want to win in style. We want to win in the Somerset way. We want batsmen who can caress the ball through the gaps and we want batsmen who can clear the ropes. We want bowlers who can blast the opposition out and we want bowlers who can tangle them in knots. We want fielders who can catch the ball spectacularly and we want fielders who can stop it safely. In short we want a team of all the talents.
Well, perhaps, just perhaps with our current mix of all the above and of experience and rising youth we might, just might have the team that can realise our dream. We came close this year as many teams do just before the dream is realised. And unlike 2010, when we came so close with a team at the zenith of its powers, in 2016 we came close with a team still scaling the heights. When they reach their zenith may they just look down and see all others below them? And we who now look on may we then look up and see that Championship pennant flying proud above our very own Caddyshack.
It is a good time to have come home.
And a very warm welcome home to a fellow Blackdown boy! Come and say Hello on Gimblett Hill early next season .
Farmer White: brings tears to the eyes of us exiles - what a breath of fresh air to these parts...almost worth the years it takes for this thread from the Notts match to load on my iPad. Please could these post-season epistles have their own thread so that they can be more easily read?
That's lovely and inspiring writing, clearly from the heart, by a true son of Somerset who is fortunate enough to have come home after many years of exile.
I too am an exile, who for a number of reasons will probably never return to my home county, but am grateful to be able to make occasional visits and for the opportunity this site gives to share thoughts with so many peope whose love for our county and its cricketers prevails over any concerns we may have about their occasional shortcomings.
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I too am an exile, who for a number of reasons will probably never return to my home county, but am grateful to be able to make occasional visits and for the opportunity this site gives to share thoughts with so many peope whose love for our county and its cricketers prevails over any concerns we may have about their occasional shortcomings.
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Eloquence in poetic abundance FW.
A pleasure to read.
Next season could be a lot of fun.
Grizzzly.
A pleasure to read.
Next season could be a lot of fun.
Grizzzly.
The following comment has nothing to do with the content of this thread, though the title fits rather well.
When it comes to watching cricket I know which man I would most enjoy watching, the nimble Harvey Trump or the ditchwar dull Graham Clinton. When it comes to picking a president, it's a rather different matter...
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
When it comes to watching cricket I know which man I would most enjoy watching, the nimble Harvey Trump or the ditchwar dull Graham Clinton. When it comes to picking a president, it's a rather different matter...
LoL
Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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