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'Surrey Week' T20 onto CC1


By Grockle et al
August 7 2017

After the T20 yesterday we return to Championship after 56 days of 'summer' today.  Deep grey clouds and rain possible.  Old hands return after self imposed exiles because of the short form stuff and some of our Boys get back into their seasons.  This is a BIG game.

v SURREY @ Taunton Monday 7 August 2017

Commentary

Match Centre

Welcome back to the foud day format on a day that seems like the end of April.  Some of the Championship supporters said that this morning felt like the start of another season.

The Somerset side is;

Trescothick, Byrom, Rouse, Hildreth, Abell, Davies S, Allenby, Overton C, Groenewald, Leach, Bess

Surrey decide to not take the toss and put us in.  The weather suggests it should be raining, but the wet stays away and more coming up moves around us so we get a whole first session.  The pitch is very slow and the Surrey opening attack are on the money.  Marcus operates the same way he did at Scarborough, he runs defence for Eddie keeping the strike against the early ball and is on 20 when i arrive at 11:15 with Byrom on 3.  By the time Meaker comes in and gets Banger caught by Borthwick on 26, Eddie is on 15 and has settled to the task.  43 for 0 becomes 46 for 3 as Tim Rouse slaps a loose short and wide Rikki Clarke one and then James gets possibly the best ball of the morning first up and wanders back for a duck.  Tom looks confident from his first off the mark boundary and Eddie is settled.  Together they take the county to lunch at 92 and the game is back on quite an even keel.

After lunch Batty resumes at the River a spell he started the innings before lunch.  Eddie sweeps him third ball but takes it a step too far too early.  He's up the wicket ball four looking to nurdle the ball, misses it and is bowled.  96 for 4 goes over the three figure mark with the help of Steve Davies.  The objective of the afternoon spell is to accumulate.  Tom keeps it calm and moves the score on when required.  His 50 comes off 101 balls with 9 fours and the 150 arrives in the 47th over with Steve looking like real class at times against his old side.

On the two men go as Surrey work hard but don't give the Somerset batsman too many worries.  The 100 partnership comes at 198, the 200 follows and Steve Davies passes 50 for only the second time at 207 from 81 balls with 4 fours and a massive 'Hello Gareth' six off Somerset's favourite opposition bowler.

Stevereaches his previous best CC1 score (59 v Yorkshire) for Somerset at 220 before passing it.  This is by far the best score from Tom  this season.  The men walk in at 234 for 4 at Tea.  Excellent work from both men.  Tom has 88 and Steve has 68.  Both needed this spell and both have played well for their runs today.  It's been hard work for the Surrey men but the patience shown by both the hiome batsmen has been exemplary.

 

 

 

 

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'Surrey Week' T20 onto CC1
Grockles.com (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 14:30
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MESSAGES->author
Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 13:39
It always seems sensible that we welcome a club for home games in more than 1 format at the same time to save time and money. It rarely happens these days.

At 2:30 this afternoon we start 5 days against the Browncaps with the T20 followed by the CC1 game from tomorrow. A friend of mine saw the visitors during the week and defined them as 'rubbish' at this format.

I suppose we'll see quite soon at our 18th 'sold out' home short format game. I'm quite looking forward to seeing some Gimblett Hill stalwarts tomorrow who don't travel for the T20's. It has been a while people.

The 14 man squad for today includes van Meerkeen for the first time in a while so that might be interesting, the others are;

Davies S
Myburgh
Waller
Abell
Leask
Bess
Trego
Allenby
Overton C
Groenewald
Hildreth
Gregory
van der Merwe



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MESSAGES->author
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 14:23
Leask, Bess and Trigger lose out as we are unchanged from Friday.



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mikeindex
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
mikeindex (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 15:01
To judge from the commentary it sounds as if Leask or Bess might have been a good pick, perhaps instead of Tim G.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 15:49
158 needed. Interesting score on our pitch. Hope Steve and Tom get a bit of a belt before tomorrow and that Johann keeps the momentum going with some over the buildings belts. But you never know..... 8 an over.



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MESSAGES->author
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 16:15
Nothing hopeful for Steve and they have to do it without Johann today if at all.



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Rod1883
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 16:32
Another embarrassing capitulation it would seem 49-5 after 8.4

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 16:43
Yep. Doesn't look like anyone us going to be celebrating much today except our 'told you so' crowd. We don't even seem to be losing wickets at the proper run rate.



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Rod1883
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 16:50
Hildreth and Roelof giving it a good go now though!
111-5, 47 off 7 needed



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Tom Seymour
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 16:54
Yeah, I'm in the Grockle "told you so crowd", and I will tell you that we are going to win this.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
Rod1883
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 17:11
Well, what a second half to the innings.
Well done lads, sorry I doubted you there for a moment!

 
mikeindex
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
mikeindex (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 17:11
Well, that worked out pretty satisfactorily in the end.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 17:11
Oh me of little faith! Well done James once again with Craig offering excellent back-up. Seems our Surrey friends lost their composure a little.



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Tom Seymour
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 17:12
“Get behind the team and support them.”

I told you we were going to beat the Brown Caps – never in doubt.

Oh ye of little faith.

(Sm22)



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
Grizzzly
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 17:27
Well, that's good news anyway.

Now, back to the more important stuff tomorrow.....

Grizzzly

 
Mike BOS
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 17:35
Interesting thread from top to bottom.

Looks like a good win, in second place after today's win.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 17:55
A good consistent campaign from James and Craig. Some others will still have questions over them tomorrow morning. Steve has shown some smatterings but is he more in tune now. Marcus has had nothing for quite a while and Tom is still a doubt. Lewis has answered some questions asked of him but any of the young players introduced before the short format stuff will all be back at the starting point again.

Lots of anticipation about the game on Monday now.



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The Cake Taster
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Botham (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 18:02
Wow, that must've been exciting if everyone stayed. There's nothing like a thrilling match at Taunton for getting the crowd going and I bet they just loved this one. I can only imagine that we are trying to build for the future when we don't play Tregs.

We seem to capitulate away so hopefully we can book this trend, but fortunately all remaining matters seem to be at home. Anyway well done to the team today

 
AGod
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
AGod (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 18:10
Spinners, I think, the primary key to this win. Strong efforts from both VDM and Max. Plus, of course, Timmy G getting rid of Finch was potentially pivotal.

A good win.

I don't approve, though, of picking Tom A for this format. I think he's just been shoehorned in to try to "re-integrate him," with the first team, rather than because he has any real aptitude for the format.

There are two possible problems with that:

1) It makes the team less likely to win the match (on balance)....

2) More importantly, in the context of what they are trying to achieve with Tom, it risks undermining his confidence which may have been somewhat restored by dint of runs made in the seconds.

Incidentally, in terms of confidence, I was thinking that S Davies had finally found decent form, but then he's promptly put successive ducks on the board in the last two. A good score from Hildreth so that should help with his confidence ahead of tomorrow.

It already looks like there will be results in all three other games in this round, making it even more imperative that we beat the Brown Caps in the key fixture that starts tomorrow.

 
Grizzzly
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 18:13
SCCC site says Lewis won't play any further four day games this year !

Of course, his well being must come first and I hope he can get the treatment he needs soon, but we needed that news like a hole in the head.

Jamie also still out, which is disappointing. Jim Allenby is in the squad, despite (according to him) being told he won't/is most unlikely feature next season, whilst PT isn't even mentioned.

All very curious.

Tom recalled as Captain. Wish him well, but we surely have a mountain to climb tomorrow and for the rest of the season.

Grizzzly



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AGod
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
AGod (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 18:14
As for the turn-around in the second half of our innings?

Let's face it, we have form for doing this at home to Surrey and they have form for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory here.

Indeed, that's the third successive occasion, in three different formats in games at Taunton that Surrey have appeared to be on top in the decisive innings of a match, and the Surrey record in such games reads "played three, lost three."

Roelof an important part of the turn-around in consecutive matches vs the Brown Caps.

 
AGod
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
AGod (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 18:21
Awful news viz LG - truly dreadful.

I think it's fairly clear that Peter Trego is finished at Somerset unless the powers that be elect to terminate the employment of one M Maynard, esq...

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 18:21
They must hate the sight of RvdM walking out. 201 runs against them this season. Will he walk out again tomorrow?. He turned this game by the 8th over I didn't think we had enough to turn it but keep forgetting how good Craig can be when he gets his eye in. James has haf a good T20 up to now.



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AGod
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
AGod (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 18:30
So, if I were forced to select and XI and allowed to pick only from the squad handed to me by Matthew Maynard (which is as below) then I think I would select the following:

Maynard's squad:

Marcus Trescothick, Eddie Byrom, Tim Rouse, James Hildreth, Tom Abell (c), Steve Davies (wk), Jim Allenby, Craig Overton, Roelof van der Merwe, Dom Bess, Jack Leach, Tim Groenewald, Paul van Meekeren.

My XI

Tres
Eddie
Tim
JH
SD
Tom
Cove
Roelof
Jack
Tim
Dom

I was all for picking LG at six and not taking the gamble with just a two front-line seamer attack, even if we do succeed in producing a spinning top. But with LG out and Peter Trego not available for selection in this squad, I've elected to rely on Tom as the third seamer, rather than Jim.

I suspect that what Matthew will actually do is leave Tim Rouse out, bat Tom at three and play Jim at six. But Jim has demonstrated often enough, for me, that he's not a top six batsman at CC1 level.

The other option is a really long lower order in which Craig/Roelof bat six and seven and then the Meerkat can be included - interesting to note that he appears, now, to have moved ahead of Josh Davey. With Josh out of contract at season's end, a poor sign indeed for him, that he can't get in the squad when both LG and JO are out.

We must hope that Jamie will *finally* be fit when Chelmsford rolls around.

 
Wickham
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Wickham (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 18:49
I didn't see that coming at 47-5. Well done to vdM, Cove and - especially - JH.

I agree with AG about not picking Abell in this format. An out of form hitter has a puncher's chance of hitting a few boundaries, but I can't see a touch player being able to recover form in the frenzied atmosphere of a T20 match.

JH has amply disproved, this season, that he is not a T20 player.

 
mikeindex
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
mikeindex (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 18:54
Having to go in without either Lewis or Jamie is distinctly bad news, but not insuperable.
Also something of an added inducement to opt for a spin-friendly wicket.
I agree with AG's XI, given the 14 we have to choose from. Even if choosing from the full squad I would probably go for the same XI, desperately sad as I would be to leave out Peter Trego.
One or two hypotheticals which I very much hope don't come to pass - suppose Tom doesn't get runs in either innings of this match, do we keep him for the next one? And if not, who captains in Lewis' absence?
And if SD doesn't either, what then?
I have seen no updates on Jamie's situation on the SCCC website, has anyone any idea how he's progressing?
Is this the greatest number of question marks ever seen in a Grockles post?

 
Mike BOS
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 19:23
Jamie has been going through fitness training, he told me he was bored not playing.

 
AGod
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
AGod (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 19:24
Well if he's nearly right then he, surely, will be ready for Chelmsford.

I imagine fitness training but not playing is, indeed, utterly mind-numbing.

 
Clarence Parker
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 19:33
Personally I would have put Tom Abell on 'gardening leave' until the end of the season.

He seems to be a very pleasant young man, but being given the captaincy (whether he sought it or not) before having established himself over the past couple of seasons as a competent and consistent batter, has IMO been too much for him.

From what I have seen of him, he has led the team very well, but for whatever reason his batting has declined embarrassingly. He has had a few reasonable scores in the Seconds, but from what I have gleaned he hasn't exactly set the world on fire.

It's a parlous situation. If we play him, he will have to resume the captaincy. If he plays and fails again with the bat, it can only further damage his state of mind. Should he play, and score buckets full of runs and lead the side well, then all is well.

But is he up to such pressure especially as we are desperately fighting relegation?

In an ideal world, I would say get yourself ready physically, technically and mentally for 2018. Whatever Division we are in next year (and I can't envisage it being anything other than Div. 2) the club should rally round to help him become the best player he can be, and if this means finding someone else to lead the side next year, then that is what will have to happen.

But, as we all know, we do not live in an ideal world.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 19:53
Gregory out is an issue on more than one level but you have to work with what you have I suppose.

Picking Tom today seemed to make no real sense as Wickham suggests, getting runs in a chase like that isn't real prep for anything other than getting runs in a chase. In the end it became no prep at all if they expect to pick him tomorrow.

We may need our new international to come up with something. Anyone got any news? If I can make the buses and hobble into Taunton I'll see what I can get from people at the ground tomorrow.

We are still in the T20 with a significant shout but tomorrow is the ONLY important game in the next week. Our one objective in 2017 is to remain in CC1.

NOTHING else matters.

I'm going to leave this here as the CC1 thread as well. If I can get into the ground this week I will put a frontpage on it for that game. Please keep stuff on this thread. I'll simply merge any other threads into this one.



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DeanSwift
Some of the biggest matches coming up in Somerset history
DeanSwift (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 19:51
and we decide to rest one of our best bowlers?

poor Lewis Gregory

You also ask the following

Why has Lewis Gregory been made unavailable for the rest of the County Championship this season?



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Mike BOS
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 20:14
Lewis Gregory being not available must be to do with his back, he may have been advised not to play any more until he has had his OP.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 20:16
But it's only four day is ir not? He is still OK for T20?



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AGod
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
AGod (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 20:32
That's what we must assume given what they have said, yes.

 
Roger ivanhoe
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 20:33
Peter Trego not selected for tomorrows game.Completely out of favour.

Mail out tonight shows Van de Merwe and Van Meekeran missing in 11 stated.

 
AGod
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
AGod (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 20:35
I don't understand, Roger, do you mean they've sent out a list of an XI for tomorrow already? That's what it says on tomorrow's scorecards you mean?

 
AGod
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
AGod (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 20:47
Oh, I get it Mail as in name of paper.

I read mail-out and I thought surely we're not sending out details of the XI the day before the match!

 
Roger ivanhoe
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 20:51
AGod, we 1875 and Long Room members have a pre match mail out, amongst which shows a picture of the 11 named shirts.

Of course it might change overnight.

 
AGod
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
AGod (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 20:58
Ah!

 
AGod
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
AGod (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 21:00
Personally, I think that if we were to leave out for VDM and PVM then that would represent too defensive a team selection for a must-win game.

Besides, Surrey would surely be pleased if we were to omit VDM..

 
Grizzzly
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 21:01
I tend to think that CP's view of 19.33 re Tom is pretty much on the mark.

I'll be very happy indeed if he gets a ton.

Grizzzly

 
AGod
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
AGod (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 21:04
Tom's collapse in form at Taunton coincided with the change in nature of home tracks, rather than with the award of the captaincy.

However the extra demands of being leader must be a time-suck, the opportunity cost of which is more time to spend on his own game (trying to figure out how to adjust his game to the turning tracks).

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 21:08
Weren't there comments about technical issues as well at the start of the season?



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Nailsea_Fizz
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 21:20
Sorry to ask but is a time-suck a technical issue with Tom's batting.

 
mikeindex
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
mikeindex (IP Logged)
06/08/2017 21:32
Is a time-suck something that has happened to the English language since I learned it (like, e.g., a selfie)?

 
wsm fan
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
wsm fan (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 00:06
Fantastic win.
All the sweeter being Surrey and them having it win at 47/5.
Hildy RVDM & Craig just superb. Played the situation to percection.
So easy 5 down to block. Let rate climb to 12/14s then game is gone.
Our approach was spot on and RVDM & Craig hit 2 monsters OVER the Caddick pavilion.....

Poor Gareth, he cant enjoy Taunton too much. He thre a tantrum when a Clarke ct behind appeal was refused and given wide. Appeared he had a telling off from the umpire but bad behaviour from that nasty man something we are quite used to.....

Shame it appears the weather is going to scupper mostof days 1&2 this week. Really need an old 2 day bunsen burner to aid a positive result from this one.....

 
Farmer White
Re: Welcome to 'Surrey Week'
Farmer White (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 03:19
T20 Taunton 6th August 2017

Surrey 157-6 (20.0 overs) Somerset 158-6 (18.2/20.0 overs)

Another full house although as always with full houses there were small groups of empty seats in the Trescothick and Somerset Stands. The lower deck of the Somerset Pavilion was tight packed, mainly with County Championship age members including, for a change in this form of cricket, me. The family stand bristled with furry headbands and inflatable batons and the temporary stand was pretty well full. I had time to count another 42 watching from the flats including a good impersonation of a row of parrots on a perch at the front of the roof terrace. It was a crowd that buzzed in anticipation of another classic game. I am not sure it was a classic but it certainly held the attention and as far as I could see no-one left.

The buzz settled a bit as Surrey got off to a solid start especially after three successive boundaries in van Meekeren’s first over. 30-0 off 3 overs was not though running away with the game in a T20 powerplay and Roy seemed to be struggling to get the ball away. Two boundaries off Groenewald’s first over started to raise the anxiety in Somerset hearts but then Finch tried for a boundary too many. 39-1 off 4 overs. Overton followed up perfectly by tying Roy up and then bowling him with a perfect length arrow straight ball that went straight through his cross batted shot and upended the middle stump. Is there a sight in cricket to match that of a middle stump heading for the keeper?

The crowd were buzzing again and then cheering as Stoneman looked bamboozled by a Waller leg-break which pitched middle and hit the left-handers’s leg stump. I had the perfect view of the perfect leg-break. If Waller had developed such a ball as his stock ball over the years he might have found himself playing in the Championship today. From my seat behind the arm it looked a thing of beauty. I am still replaying it in my mind. 53-3 in the seventh and the game was in the balance. Somerset pegging back Surrey’s solid start. The Family Stand celebrated with its own private Mexican wave for it went no further but was as exuberant as any full blown Mexican Wave you will see. A Mexican wave celebrating good cricket. Now there’s a thing.

Now the fielders started to play their part seemingly missing nothing. Myburg diving hard and long to his left at mid-wicket to stop a fierce drive in its tracks. Abell racing in the deep to intercept two strokes marked for the boundary. All the time Somerset’s rotating bowlers keeping things as tight as they can be kept in a T20. 69-3 off 10 is almost miraculous for the bowling side. The PA announcer gave another turn to the screw, “At the current run rate Surrey will score 138 off their 20 overs.” Both batsmen, Pope and Henriques perhaps jolted, looked simultaneously at the scoreboard.

An impression was beginning to build though at least in my mind. Perhaps batting was not quite as easy as it might be. Perhaps the pitch not quite as easy as it could be. The batsmen were not batting with quite the freedom associated with T20. Too many balls were finding the fielders. Though sometimes the fielders, the inner ring in particular, were finding the ball with some exceptional stops. Not always, Overton once ran in from the Colin Atkinson boundary for one of those ‘is it a catch or isn’t it’ lofted balls off Waller’s bowling, finally opted to save the boundary only for the ball to spin viciously off the turf back past him in the direction he had run around from.

Now Henriques and Pope started to get the measure of the pitch. Henriques rotating the strike and Pope hitting out. Pope perfectly scooped one from Overton for four and then only just dug out a fearsome yorker the next ball. Those two balls perhaps exemplifying the tussle between bat and ball that was developing. Only the best would do. The fielders too straining every sinew. Myburg a brilliant diving stop at backward point. Abell once running impossibly far along the front of the Family and Alcohol Free Stands in front of the Ondatjee Pavilion to dive full length for a catch only just failing by inches but getting enough hand on it to prevent four. The two stands applauded him all the way back to his mark. This was battle royal. By the end of the 15th Surrey were 113-3. Hardly riches but a growing recovery against all the Somerset pressure and Pope was looking dangerous.

Cometh the hour cometh Roelf van de Merwe. Pope charged him, missed, Davies took it cleanly and the bails were off. Cue relieved cheering for Pope’s had been the innings of the match so far. 46 off 31 balls. He had been the only Surrey batsman seemingly capable of taking on the Somerset attack with profit. It occurred to me though there had been no sixes and getting the ball to the boundary had not looked easy for anyone. When Henriques fell to Gregory trying for the boundary Surrey were 123-5 in the 17th. Sam Curran made no headway as Somerset closed in removing him for 3. 135-6 in the 18th.

157-6 at the close was due to Rikki Clarke, to my mind, deciding to play within the pitch’s capacities. He started to hit the ball softly to the deep field initially for a brace of twos. He and Tom Curran settled for rotating the strike and the score might not have passed 150 but for a slightly ragged final over from Gregory which included a wide and the first 6 of the innings from Curran.

“We can do this can’t we?” someone asked me not with an entirely confident tone. I wasn’t sure. 158 in T20 these days is usually within range of a chase. I was worried though that the pitch, whilst not holding any demons might not be letting the ball come onto the bat. It had not looked easy hitting boundaries and I did wonder if Surrey had actually played quite a clever game, kept their heads and posted a tricky total.

The people in the flats must have thought there was a game on for by now there were approaching 80 people watching from the balconies and the roof terrace. One for every 100 in the ground. There was a real hubbub about the place as some stretched their legs for there is not much time to do anything else in the interval of a T20 match. A queue of precisely four furry headed children waited for balloons to be twisted into animals and a couple of others passed by with theirs already made. The queue for hot drinks and pies in the back of the Somerset Pavilion was more like twenty long and the queue at the bar in the car park about half a dozen.

Steven Davies did not really answer the question about the pitch for he turned his first legitimate ball straight into the hands of short fine leg. 2-1. Two ducks have now followed his brief renaissance and this looked all too like his early season form. Gregory struggled against Dernbach playing to deep point with a stroke which seemed not to be timed and then edged much more quickly through the empty first slip for four. Next he tried to cut but played over the ball which had perhaps not bounce as much as he was anticipating.

Sam Curran followed up by knocking Myburg off his feet with a spearing yorker before Gregory finally middle a pull for four, the first really clean stroke of the innings off its 10th ball. Off the last ball of the over Gregory tried to hit the ball into the Botham Stand only to get under it and sky it well short of the boundary and the approaching fielder. Dernbach was mixing pace, line and length in as many combinations of those three things as it is possible to do until Myburg popped one up and wide of mid-off but not wide enough. Allenby could only defend his first four from Sam Curran, then square drove beautifully for four, took a single for the strike, could not score off the first three from Tom Curran before lifting the fourth to Finch. This was either hard work or Somerset were making heavy weather of it.

Myburg and Allenby had both gone to what I tend to call slow pitch catches at least when they keep happening in the same innings. Neither got hold of an aggressive shot which looped to the fielder. Now Gregory got under one from Clarke and Abell pulled one straight to midwicket. All five wickets caught. At least four with insufficient power in the shot due to being miss hit. Why, I have always wondered and it is not only Somerset that do this, do batsmen having seen the other side struggle to get the ball away and their own side looping catches continue in the same mode? Easy to be wise from beyond the boundary I suppose. A bit harder against a rising required run rate. Harder still to recover from 47-5. Dernbach and the Currans it has to be acknowledged had bowled with considerable skill and even greater effect and in my view Dernbach’s first three overs in this match were as good as you will see in T20 cricket.

Somerset all batted in the same mode, that is until Hildreth established himself. Not without a couple of alarums. He was dropped early off a not too difficult chance and he was perilously close again with a reverse sweep. After that he played with a mixture of placement in front of the wicket and, particularly, with deft deflections behind the wicket especially on the off side. Again and again as the ball came through, the bat angled and the ball travelled Hildreth’s chosen route. It was a joy to watch. I trust in the Championship match he remembers there will be slips in place. Here it was a match turning performance.

Somerset were 47-5 at the start of the ninth over. Hildreth’s deflections kept him well ahead of a run a ball but they also gave van de Merwe and then Overton the strike. The result was explosive and decisive. Off 38 balls they scored 71 runs. The join between the Hildreth van de Merwe partnership and the Hildreth Overton partnership seamless. They hit five sixes to Surrey’s one. No sign of a slow pitch now. Even one or two of the members who had seen cricket before the Gillette Cup were singing along to “Sweet Caroline” and there was not a seat to be had in the lower deck of the Somerset Pavilion or a face anywhere that I could see without a smile. The person a couple of seats along from me, looking astonished at what he was seeing asked where one of Overton’s sixes had gone. It had gone straight over the top of the Caddyshack and the pitch was dead centre for this match. Whether he saw Roelof van de Merwe’s head off in the same direction I don’t know.

The crowd had stayed to the end. 47-5 had not daunted them or they were just having a good time or both. The only section of the crowd that seemed to have stayed away in numbers were the seagulls. Normally circling as a match comes to a close the few that were visible stayed pretty well beyond the perimeter even of the Trescothick Stand. Perhaps they were daunted by 8000 cheering people or perhaps they had seen Overton’s huge six and decided discretion was the better part of valour.

Not for the first time Surrey had a game at Taunton as good as wrapped up only to find the wrapping unravelling before their eyes or when Overton and van de Merwe were on strike being torn to shreds. Somerset were home with ten balls to spare. “I never thought that would happen,” said the woman next to me. I don’t think anyone did at 47-5. Many more games like this and the people who own the flats will have a little more equity in them than they thought. At the very least 80 of them and their visitors had had quite an afternoon. So had we all if the bubbling throng that left the ground was anything to go by. Even the sun, which had stayed resolutely behind the clouds for most of the match, came out to watch those last two partnerships.

There is something deep in the heart of this Somerset team that sometimes stands up to be counted when backs are hardest against the wall. It appears as if from nowhere and when it does it is formidably invincible. When it shows itself it can leave the opposition stunned. It happened in the County Championship in those nailbiting matches at the end of last season, not least against Surrey. It happened against Surrey in the Royal London Cup earlier this season. It happened again yesterday.

I will sleep more easily this week if we do not try to rely upon it once too often against Surrey. Three times in succession is testing it, and my nerves, far enough.

The folk concert I went to in the heart of the Quantocks after the match was much more restful.

 
Grizzzly
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Grizzzly (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 04:48
Nocturnal eloquence indeed FW.

I shall sleep soundly tonight having read your delightful and atmospheric report.

Grizzzly

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 06:25
I assume it's the local forecast that is so dire, WSM?

For once, let's hope the crummy Met Office are right.

Their forecast?

Not too bad at all.

It indicates some temporary disruption today around lunchtime, but otherwise mainly dry.

Tomorrow, it suggests play may be questionable from mid-afternoon onwards.

So if they are actually right, then we can probably expect to get 60-70% of play in over the first couple of days.

 
geordie moonraker
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geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 08:52
Weather forecasts! The forecast for Newcastle is partly sunny all day with sunshine at present. It is hammering down.

 
Farmer White
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Farmer White (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 09:15
Thank you Grizzly. Weather does not look too eloquent this morning although not raining at the moment a few miles from the ground.

 
cricketharris
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cricketharris (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 09:31
Go on like that, Farmer White, and you'll be allowed a free seat in the media room.

 
Farmer White
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Farmer White (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 09:39
Thank you cricketharris. But is there any atmosphere up there I wonder? To my mind cricket without atmosphere is like a scone without the cream.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 11:17
Did we know that Sanga would be absent?

I consider out team selection to have been a tad too defensive, to be honest. I'd rather have seen VDM in the line-up instead of Jim. I've no doubt that Surrey would rather see the Aussie than the Saffer, given recent events against them.

Still, I suppose the sight of Timmy G and Jack may bring them out in hives. I am glad that Tim Rouse has kept his place.

I've just heard that Surrey sent us in - is that right?

 
Rod1883
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07/08/2017 11:20
Yep, no toss, Surrey chose to bowl

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 11:23
Thanks, Rod.

Our friend Mr Batty must be anticipating one of the following then:

a) The track will do lots up front.

b) The track will get easier as the match goes on, no matter what it does or doesn't do first up.

c) There is little chance of the track taking sharp turn or, if it does, that will be outweighed by the advantage of early life for the seamers.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 11:34
I see they've picked Meaker who is usually either brilliant or utterly useless, with little in between. Let's hope for the latter in this one.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 11:43
Not enough from Tresco, really, unless - perhaps - this does prove a very low-scoring game.

And Meaker will, presumably, have his tail up already.

 
Somerset LaLaLa
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Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 11:52
If you don't understand time-suck you ought to 'step up to the plate'

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 11:58
A familiar shambles hoves into view with the all-too-familiar failure of the senior batsmen - the failures that have dominated this entire CC season.

 
Nailsea_Fizz
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Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 11:58
More plate stepping required by Tim Rouse

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 12:02
Tough to do that from the pavilion.

It's Tom with Eddie that need to do that now.

 
Nailsea_Fizz
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Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 12:09
So not just the senior batsmen then.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 12:13
The senior players (batsmen) are the ones that have been failing all year, which was what I said. Their returns have been truly awful, Dean Elgar apart.

 
Following on
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07/08/2017 12:28
Yorkshire are trying to make our batting efforts look acceptable and drag themselves into the relegation dog fight in the process.

Yorkshire 0-2 in their second innings, trailing by 118.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 12:32
Yorkshire are an utter shambles with the bat - pathetic, really.

I wonder if Jason Gillespie saw what was coming and bailed for that reason or whether Dizzy really is that good compared to what has succeeded him?

And yes, Following On, if not for the fact that we've been so poor with the bat and Warks so poor with both bat and ball, then Yorks would be right in the hunt to go down. As it is, with the way we and Warks have been playing, 30 points looks a fair cushion with only six games to go.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 12:35
Lancs also look wobbly, and with Hants having Fidel Edwards back to go with Kyle Abbott, I'd think Lancs will lose to Hants, most likely.

Warks - Middx currently looks as close as it was in the last round of matches, between those two sides, with Middx not looking particularly clever either.

 
MESSAGES->author
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Grockle (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 12:36
The weather IS heading our way. There are low and obviously rain filled clouds moving down the valley from Minehead towards the ground - it is starting to move diagonally so we may be lucky. If it doesn't miss us it will be a looong break. But they started on time.

Marcus was solid but the scoring is slow Eddie has face 69 balls for his 25. Marcus looked solid and then was out.... Tim didn't really stay to bother anyone and James walked out and then walked back in.

Very overcast and a smattering of a crowd. BUT there is play.



(Sm72)

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 12:38
The fact that Clarke has the best figures might imply that this deck suits guys who hit the deck hard/from height (at least thus far).

No good for Allenby, nor much good for TG but would of course be potentially great news for Cove if it's the type of deck that, for some reason, offers more to your hit the deck type than your kiss the surface type.

FWIW, the Met Office has changed its forecast to remove the threat of lunchtime rain (presumably it might slip past) but they say rain from 5 or so.

 
Bagpuss
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Bagpuss (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 12:42
I suspect Sangakkara making 12 runs for the Jamaica Tallawahs as they won in Florida yesterday was a good clue he wouldn't be playing for Surrey, as was the presence of two Aussies in the Surrey team yesterday.

And Rikki Clarke. Always seems to do well at Taunton.



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brt1919
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brt1919 (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 12:42
Well, it's the start that sadly we might have expected, but no game is lost on the first morning, especially given that our bowling is by far the strong point.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 12:44
Funnily enough, most peoole don't waste their time consulting scorecards for random T20 games in the Windies.

I don't particularly remember Clarke doing well. Chopra for Warks, yes. Clarke? Not particularly.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 12:45
Anyway, thus far Eddie B can surely take quite a bit of heart from his efforts this morning.

I wonder if the Pakistani signing has batted at three in the past/would be happy to do so? If it is deemed that the new guy *must* open then it may be Mr Trescothick that has to make way.



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AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 12:53
At this rate, Yorkshire may be beaten by about 3pm.

 
Bagpuss
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Bagpuss (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 12:54
Caribbean Premier League. Surrey's Ravi Rampaul also playing.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 12:57
Anyway, if we can get this through to lunch then credit to Eddie and Tom and *maybe* we might get one or two more bonus points for batting than the rest have managed in this round of matches..

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 12:59
Beeb trying to claim Surrey's morning, but I'm not particularly sure why, unless the thought is that this track is basically a really good one for batting?

Track does sound slow, so we must hope that it's not going to be one of those tracks that just gets slower and slower as the game goes on.

 
geordie moonraker
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geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 13:25
I've lost count of the number of times I've posted my benchmark of 120 for 3 at lunch. More runs is a batting balance,more wickets a bowling balance. I judge this to be even if we get to 120 for 3.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 13:31
But on most recent Taunton tracks, GM, 120 for 3 would put a team quite a long way ahead of the eight-ball (assuming they don't subsequently collapse in a heap). After all, the average score on these tracks has probably been no higher than 200 or so? (maybe less?)

Clearly, if this track gets flatter and flatter then 90 odd for 3 batting first at lunch isn't a great deal of use to us.

But if this proves to be a low-scoring match then there's every chance that Surrey will lose more than 3 wickets for their first 90 runs etc

 
Rod1883
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07/08/2017 14:10
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Yorkshire are an utter shambles with the bat - pathetic, really.
I wonder if Jason Gillespie saw what was coming and bailed for that reason or whether Dizzy really is that good compared to what has succeeded him?

And yes, Following On, if not for the fact that we've been so poor with the bat and Warks so poor with both bat and ball, then Yorks would be right in the hunt to go down. As it is, with the way we and Warks have been playing, 30 points looks a fair cushion with only six games to go.

All the more reason to rue that defeat from the jaws of victory against them back in June.
Obviously would have helped us, and dragged them into the mix.

I hope I'm wrong, but even if we win games, I can't see us getting enough batting points to escape.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 14:17
Yes, that was a potentially pivotal loss.

This must be Tom's longest home innings this season by some considerable distance.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 14:23
Sadly, Mybs says this is the same track as they used yesterday.

Says it was slow yesterday and likely to get slower and slower and slower.

If he's right then it won't be at all easy for us to get the result that we need.

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 14:25
Perhaps it will turn?
Shame Mybs isn't playing.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 14:35
Excellent, Tom - now make it really stick... we need a ton.

Mybs said he thought it would turn today, but it hasn't.

Apparently, this track was also used vs Notts for the one day QF.

So we've started the game on what amounts to a day three pitch.

As Mybs said quite a few tracks here have turned early in the match and then turned less as the game has gone on.

So it might be that, because this is a day three track, we've already missed the days that usually turn - who knows?

It would be hugely disappointing if we're playing on a pitch that isn't turning by what amounts to day seven though!!!

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 14:37
Batty being treated with a certain measure of contempt by the sounds of it.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 15:15
This Surrey commentator has absolute verbal incontinence.

 
Monkey Butler
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Monkey Butler (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 15:19
This is the first proper innings from Abell this season. His other knocks were when games were over as a contest. It's really good to see him back and firing, both he and Steven have played this perfectly by taking time to get in and then really up the strike rate.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 15:25
Little chance of Jove being fit until the final two CC matches, if then, as per Mybs.

He and LG both rather a worry, going forward. As well as the bowling has gone for much of this season, we probably need more pace bowling resources given the injury history of those two.

Beeb have studiously avoided asking Mybs anything about his future!



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MESSAGES->author
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Grockle (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 15:33
Where was Mybs saying this AG? He was in the press box earlier asking what the pitch was like to thank Ben for that assessment.

Jamie is coming along and is at the starting bowling stage it seems so Mybs assessement sounds about right.

Lewis says the injections stopped lasting long enough so they are working to get him to the end of the T20 and then he is going in to have it bolted together when it should be fine.



(Sm72)



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Grizzzly
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Grizzzly (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 15:33
What did he say about Jove AG ?

Grizzzly

 
Tumbles
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Tumbles (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 15:40
Well batted these two

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 15:41
He's on the comms (Mybs is)

 
Grizzzly
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Grizzzly (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 15:51
I'm enjoying eating a lovely slice of Humble Pie re Tom Abell.

Hoping there is plenty more to come.....

Grizzzly

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 15:54
Yes, we need these two to bat for a very long time as it seems evident that the track is fairly dead.

Need to hope for full batting bonus points ... and that the track then falls apart on days 3 and 4 (which will be days 6 and 7 for this particular track).

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 16:11
Does seem a very odd choice then, when we need to win, to play on an old pitch when pitches do less and less as they get older?

 
MESSAGES->author
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Grockle (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 16:14
So this pitch has had nothing done to it since then - it was suggested that they probably played on it last year as well so it may be a Day 250 pitch? The discussion with a Somerset spinner earlier suggested it was expected to take spin on Day 3 or 4

Rain is pretty heavy now and the covers are going on. We've been lucky up to now. It may have ended.



(Sm72)

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 16:24
Well, let us fervently hope that the "Somerset spinner," whoever he may be was spot on.

A shame for Tom and Steve that they will, probably, have to start again tomorrow morning.



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Grizzzly
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Grizzzly (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 16:53
Q & A session with MM has been brought forward to 5pm (heard it on the PA, as the Radio mic. has been left on !).

Any feedback from this would be most welcome from anyone who attends.

Grizzzly

 
MESSAGES->author
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Grockle (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 17:05
The 'radio mic' effect wasn't that it had been left on. They had a problem with the PA and had a look at it in order to make sure the announcement was made. Seen a few walking over so any comments would be very much appreciated. Especially by those who had those bursting questions to ask about conspiracies, misinformation etc. Good opportunity to nail them down.

The pitch will have another inspection at 5:20 after a deluge. The outfield is very wet so it is highly likely that the match will be abandoned for the day.



(Sm72)

 
cricketjerry-mouse
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cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 17:14
Fast bowler Stuart Meaker must be wondering what he has done to upset the Surrey hierarchy at Taunton this weekend.

Yesterday, when Surrey failed to accelerate towards the end of their innings and were then in desperate need of wickets as Somerset won with almost a full over to spare, he neither batted nor bowled.

Then today, as if itching to go, he claimed Marcus in his very first over, yet was only granted 11 more by Batty out of the 64 Surrey have bowled to date.

Good day for the Davies clan, though. While our Steven was scoring 68 not out, young Alex Davies at Lancashire contributed 97 to an opening partnership of 129 against Hampshire. Irony or ironies, Alex Davies is also keeping wicket although Jos Buttler is in the side - and has been doing so in the championship for some time.

Jos, who surely has no chance at the moment of replacing Bairstow in the England Test side, must be almost as upset as the more vocal of the Lancashire supporters are at his very mixed batting form of late. Will he still be at Old Trafford next season?

 
mikeindex
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mikeindex (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 17:16
Damn, I left the ground assuming there would be no further play and not wanting to hang around two hours with a computer with a flat battery. If I'd known the Q&A session was rescheduled I'd have stayed.
In common, I'm sure, with everyone here (who isn't going to be there in person) I'd be very interested to know what transpires.
Outstanding and very sensibly paced innings from Tom today, against some very testing bowling early on - though Meaker bowled less well in his second spell and neither of the much-vaunted Currans were impressive. Interesting little spell from Borthwick riddled with horrible long-hops and full-tosses, but unexpectedly threatening when he got it in the right place (I think Tom had trouble picking his googly).
Eddie (till an unfortunate rush of blood) and Steve D also batted very well. Eddie does need to work on this unfortunate habit of getting out between 40 and 43.
Pitch seemed fairly slow with no great turn. I think Clarke's having the best figures were down to his being the best bowler on the day rather than the wicket suiting him.
(Edited to overrule idiot autocorrect).



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mikeindex
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mikeindex (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 17:19
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AGod
I don't particularly remember Clarke doing well. Chopra for Warks, yes. Clarke? Not particularly.
2013, playing out time with the assistance of Ollie Hannon-Dalby and Nick Cook?
Last year, nearly taking them home in a 9th-wicket stand with Chris Wright just after you'd posted "Patel out, game over"?

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 19:13
2016: 74 runs in the match, 3 wkts - not bad

2015: 5 runs in the match, 3 wkts - mediocre at best.

2014: 125 runs, but zero wkts

2013: 92 runs, but zero wkts

2012: 6 runs, 2 wkts

So, before today, he had had some success with the bat on 3/5 occasions, although nothing earth-shattering and had been a virtual non-factor with the ball, at least over the previous five meetings. Certainly today would appear to be his most effective effort with the ball in recent times.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 19:15
Buttler may have given up on any Test hopes, in which case he might not really give a fig about Davies keeping wicket, CJM.

I doubt Bayliss cares very much whether Jos keeps for Lancs - let's face it, even if he were to lose the one-day gloves to Bairstow, Jos would still be likely to be a shoo-in for a place as a batsman anyway.

I'd imagine Jos will be happy enough so long as he keeps playing ODIs and being allowed to go off to the IPL.

 
Tom Seymour
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Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 19:22
Good batting from Tom Abell and Steve Davies today. Thought the ball tended to keep low at times. A good knock too from Ed Byrom until a rush of blood brought about his downfall.

Marcus Trescothick out to a poor shot, a man of his experience should know better. Is he still motivated enough to succeed?

All told, a good day for the Cidermen.

When Davies reached his 50, he received generous applause from his old Surrey team mates, but when Tom Abell reached his, no Somerset players were evident on the balcony to applaud their captain. Speaks volumes for the club at present.

Saw Mickey Stewart and a few former Surrey players there today along with Richard Gould.

Rumours rife that Pete Trego has already left the club, but I see from the club's website that he is playing in our Seconds today.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
Wickham
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Wickham (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 19:43
I agree with everything in mikeindex's report.

Trescothick batted well until a ball from Meaker nipped away and caught the edge.

Some of Byrom's shots were reminiscent of Trescothick. A pity that he danced down the wicket and yorked himself immediately after lunch.

Abell batted as well as I have seen him play. I recall only a couple of false shots. I thought that he constructed his innings particularly well - he didn't chase runs, but waited for a bad ball and put it away. Steve Davies also played admirably.

It was pleasing that the numerous puerile shouts from the Surrey fielders (including numerous screech of "Rikki" and - aimed at Batty - "Come on g-string") came to a stop as the Abell/Davies partnership progressed.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 19:55
I'm very surprised to read that, Tom S, re: Tom A's 50.

Myburgh, on commentary, was very clear that there'd be an eruption from the SCCC balcony, should Tom A get his ton.

I have to say that whilst there are lots of rumours and so forth, the way the team is competing does not suggest that morale is low.

 
mikeindex
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mikeindex (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 20:03
@AG I think for some of us the memory of two massively impactful, game-changing (in one case, in the other nearly so) innings outweighs the cold statistical overview.
Well said, though, as regards the apparent competitive spirit.
(Edited for additional point-making)



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mikeindex
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mikeindex (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 20:05
I couldn't say what the reaction from the Somerset balcony was to Tom's 50 as I, like most spectators, was looking at Tom in the middle and applauding.

 
cricketharris
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cricketharris (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 20:10
How sweet that 6 must have felt for Davies off the bowling of Batty especially accompanied by a few lesser boundries. Excellent second session today.

 
wsm fan
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wsm fan (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 20:19
Tom. That is factual nonsense and terribly innacurate and misleading.
Every single player was out on the balcony clapping and 2 or 3 down on bench by caddy shack.
Matt confirmed such when asked at Q+A as did one of the players i spoke to after. Plus i could see several from my spot low down in the CA pavilion.

Where were you sat to not be able to see such?

The players are right behind Tom and if he gets another 12 in the morning you'll be able to hear the players cheering him from Taunton high street!

The morale appears fine to me. We have a top group of players young and old fighting for each other.
To suggest otberwise again is nonsense.

 
nelliec
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nelliec (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 20:25
Any meaningful news come out of the Q and A session WSM

 
Farmer White
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Farmer White (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 21:11
Trying desperately to remember Q&A. Pretty low key I thought.

GL/MM stated at the start the club are going through their annual cycle over contracts:

1) July - speak to players who's contracts are up and give them an indication of how they may stand but nothing definitive.
2) End August or thereabouts decide on contracts.
3) Around the end of the year tie up contracts of those who have contracts expiring in 2018.

This process takes place every year and this year's is no different.

Adam Hose and Daz Veness left the club entirely by their own decision.

Whilst the club is commited to competing in all competitions the club priority is the CC - staying in the First Division and winning it.

A significant slice of this year's profit will come from the T20 International.

The club remains and intends to remain one of the top three or four in terms of cash spent on player's salaries.

The club spends a higher proportion of its income on cricket than any other county.

In terms of keeping our best young players the club prioritises being a first tier club, having the best possible facilities etc

Floodlights money in place with the intention of installing in 2018-19 winter. 2017-18 winter will be used to do some current facilities 'housekeeping' because of the effort put into new developments in recent years.

There was a question at the end about 'problems' within the team and lack of applause for Tom Abell's 50. 'Problems' were firmly denied and MM seemed genuinely surprised at the point about players not applauding TA.

That is as far as my memory will stretch. Others may have things to add or may have remembered things differently (I didn't take notes and this comes from a deep trawl of a weary mind).

Guy Lavender leaves his post on Friday.

 
cricketjerry-mouse
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cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 21:11
Peter Trego not only playing for the Seconds at Taunton Vale today, Tom S, but captaining them. So perhaps the rumours are in the same category as the description of the Somerset players` balcony when Tom A reached his 50.

 
Roger ivanhoe
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Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 21:21
nelliec.

The various rumours floating around were rubbished off.
Did confirm that four players are out of contract in September [including Marcus]
The club will report a record profits this year.
MM when asked of the lightlyhood of Jamie O being available for selection this season, did say he was making progress but did not think it likely he would be available.
Overseas player for next year likely to be a top three batter.
Likely change to pre season build up, seems South Africa is possible option.
Guy Lavender leaves on Friday, but will be watching as a member on Saturday.

 
Mike BOS
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Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 21:26
The bit I remember about Lewis Gregory was that injection he had on his back to kill the pain didn't last has long as they would have liked, he is now in pain again.

I think what was said about the finance side was the International match profit amounts to half of our normal profit. (if I remembered correctly). So will that be 200k/300k on top of our normal profit for this year, it will be our biggest ever for the club, could it be 800k this year?

 
Farmer White
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Farmer White (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 21:26
For anyone wondering if Roger Ivanhoe and I were at the same meeting I can confirm, having read his post, we were. I hope if he reads my post he can confirm the same! Told you I was tired.

 
Cleavo
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Cleavo (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 21:43
I was also at the Q&A Nelliec. A few points of interest.

Guy Lavender's last day as CEO this Friday with Lee Cooper taking over from Saturday.

Update on Fakhar Zahman: Still awaiting visa clearance. Maynard has spoken with both Pakistan Cricket Board and Fakhar's agent today. Hoping to have news at close of play tomorrow and remains confident he would be available for last 3 T20 games and remaining 5 CC games. This would suggest visa clearance should be sorted very soon.

On the rumours regarding players futures whose contracts run out at the end of this season Guy Lavender forcefully said he's seen a lot of rumours and said not to believe all of them. Therefore, purely speculation at this time until club officially confirm position of out of contract players. There was no mention of Allenby's radio interview surprisingly. Make of that what you will. Interview suggests he has made it clear he's off. All those out of contract at end of season have had discussions last month as to where future lies, but no firm decisions made. Main priorities currently retaining division 1 status in CC and T20. Maynard did say he would like all contract issues resolved by Christmas. Daz Veness departure at end of season also mentioned and Maynard said was personal decision.

Regarding plans for overseas signing for next season one of the questions raised Maynard said we would be looking to sign top 3 batter and acknowledged not everything rosy currently. Also, admitted he had made mistakes, but wouldn't go into detail as to what those mistakes were. A little bit of a cop out answer to this question from him here. He then went onto say important to learn from these mistakes rather than continue to make the same ones, so can improve as a coach.

Question raised on pre season and whether not being challenged enough was part of reasoning for slow start. Maynard confirmed they were not challenged enough and would be going somewhere different for a pre season tour next year rather than Desert Springs.

Other points of note were:

Question raised on Jamie Overton's injury. Maynard said he's back running, will be going for another scan shortly. Best case scenario is he would be available for last 3 CC games, but also planning for worst.

I raised a question on Lewis Gregory and whether he would be available for rest of T20 campaign. Maynard said Lewis playing through pain barrier and injections have worn off. Hoping he can play through pain for T20s, but would not be available to play red ball cricket again for the rest of this season as confirmed on website yesterday.

Lots of other questions were raised, but these were the main points of interest.

 
nelliec
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nelliec (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 21:58
Thanks for the updates.Regarding the plan for floodlights the winter after next,was there any mention of a permanent stand ,in stead of the temp stand,which they never seem to want to open up most of the time.

 
Railboy
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Railboy (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 21:58
Differing opinions, even bizarre and unreasonable ones are the lifeblood of a forum like this. But outright lies designed to undermine the club and in particular the players (ref players disrespecting the captain's innings) should not be tolerated and the perpetrator should be banned

 
wsm fan
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wsm fan (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 22:08
Well said Railboy.
I am admittedly in the positive camp.
Tom, Clarence and co always on the negative side.
Each to their own.
But outright lies designed to back up the percieved issues/problems should not be tolerated.
Many read this site who may not post or attend that often. As such information they read likely to be believed.
Pure lies are totally out of order.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 22:16
Interesting that Mr Lavender said 'don't believe *all* of the rumours," rather than "don't believe any of them."

This sounds like a realistic position.

As for a change to pre-season...............well they have to try something, can't keep doing the same thing over and over again and..........definition of insanity.

I can't help thinking that the club needs somebody involved in the management that can really get the players going in pre-season though, because the problem seems to me to be that other teams seem to be able to bring the intensity from the first match and we seldom seem to be able to ... it's normally almost as though we are asleep for the first few sessions/even matches sometimes.

 
Tom Seymour
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Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 22:18
"Tom. That is factual nonsense and terribly innacurate and misleading."

No it's not WSM. I was in a very good position to see and looked out specifically to see how his return to form would be greeted by his team mates. They were not present on the balcony, and the chap seated next to me commented the same. Maynard was in fact sat in the dug out at ground level.

It seems then that someone else at the Q & A commented on this apparent lack of team spirit, if it was denied by Maynard. Well it wasn't me who asked the question WSM because I wasn't there. It wasn't asked by the chap who was seated next to me because we walked out of the ground together, so there must have been at least a 3rd. person who had the same impression.

"So perhaps the rumours are in the same category as the description of the Somerset players` balcony when Tom A reached his 50."

The rumours about Trego having left the club may be rumours Cricket-jerrymouse, as I intimated that they were, but don't tell me that the lack of Somerset players on the balcony to applaud Tom Abell are also rumours, because it is not only what I observed but others also.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 22:21
"I raised a question on Lewis Gregory and whether he would be available for rest of T20 campaign. Maynard said Lewis playing through pain barrier and injections have worn off. Hoping he can play through pain for T20s, but would not be available to play red ball cricket again for the rest of this season as confirmed on website yesterday."

I'm sorry, but I just really, really don't think LG should be asked to play through the pain barrier just for the sake of T20. The man has had a deal of back trouble so far in his still youngish career and we should, surely, be looking to the future, and trying to get him sorted out ASAP with whatever he needs (somebody said his back was going to be 'bolted together,' which sounds horrible but if that's what needs to be done, GET ON WITH IT!!)

And I realise that LG might want to play (and so not need to 'asked,') but I don't think he should be permitted to play either.

I wasn't crazy about the idea of shooting him up with painkillers and having him play on in the CC in the first place. I applaud the guy for his efforts in having done so - especially the way he bowled at North Marine Road, but enough is, I think, enough.

 
wsm fan
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wsm fan (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 22:26
Well you are wrong Tom. Fact.
I spoke to a player after who was up there clapping and told me all others were too.
With respect i believe him more than i do you from 100 yards away.
Matt was very strong in response to the question saying all were out either on balcony or in the dugouts downstairs.
Toms knock was superb so to still try and find a negative slant on it is just boring.

 
Railboy
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Railboy (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 22:28
Totally false, whilst I did not count them and from my position on the Hill could not name them I had a clear view across the ground. What appeared to be the whole team were out on the balcony on their feet enthusiastically applauding their captain. Your agenda has no place on this site.

 
wsm fan
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wsm fan (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 22:32
Agreed



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Mike BOS
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Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 22:36
The same goes to the person who asked the question, there is no place for people who try to make the club look bad when it isn't.

I can't confirm one way or the other I was clapping the player not looking around to see who wasn't.

.

 
Roger ivanhoe
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Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 22:39
Yes, Farmer White read your post now, we must have been at the same meeting.

Decent size crowd also,150 plus maybe.

 
Tom Seymour
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Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 22:43
Both Railboy and WSM fan have used the word "lies" in relation to a previous posting of mine.

By indirectly calling me a liar they have slandered me and for this Sportnetwork is surely liable.

I shall pursue this, so I ask that you both delete your posts and issue me with an apology on this messageboard.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
Farmer White
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Farmer White (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 22:46
For what it is worth on the balcony issue I was in the top deck of the Somerset Pavilion and when Tom hit the runs I glanced briefly at the player's balcony. I saw three possibly four people at the back of the balcony applauding. I saw another larger group, perhaps eight or ten, just inside the dressing room looking out and applauding. I didn't look at the dugouts so can't comment on those. I then looked back at the middle, the crowd applause went on for some time and I did not look at the balcony again. How long the people there and in the dressing room applauded for or if those inside came outside after I stopped looking I cannot saay. I can say that to me MM looked genuinely surprised at the content at the question.

Perhaps what different people saw depended on where they were sitting.

 
Bagpuss
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Bagpuss (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 22:54
Cricketers are, on the whole, a superstitious bunch. If they were sitting at the rear of the balcony, or just inside the doors onto the balcony, during the partnership as it was developing they would be loathe to move seats. This may explain why they weren't obvious at the front of the balcony but could be seen further back as FW describes.

 
sandhills
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sandhills (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 23:00
Tom i seem to remember u had an imaginary friend that u used to answer ur posts not that long ago. Was this the same friend today I can assure u that the players were on the balcony. Good luck with your pursuit of Tom's justice, you are nothing but a malicious trouble maker that the site master should remove.

 
Roger ivanhoe
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Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 23:01
AGOD, I really think you should not interpret much into your first line of your posting of 22.16.

I cannot remember myself whether the word "all or Any" was used tonight , either way may turn out to be true, or false.

 
wsm fan
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wsm fan (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 23:09
There will be no retraction from me Tom.
Tbe players WERE out there. As confirmed by Matt, the player i spoke to who WAS up there clapping, and several on here.

You mention lies. Are you not in effect accusing Matt & players of being liars?

If you are thearein the morning id happily seek out Matt with you pre match and a few players and let you seek their actual response. Will you call them liars to their face as opposed to behind a keyboard?

You never fail to find a negative slant even on a superb batting day in what were tough conditions.

 
sandhills
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sandhills (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 23:16
Tom It will be very disappointing for grockle to remove any posts associated with you or comments tonight as it show you in your true light for all to see.

With regards to today's play, an odd decision by surrey to ask us to bat. I sense it demonstrates a lack of confidense however we can only be sure after both sides have batted.

Tom was excellent and it was really good to see the players on the balcony cheering not only his 50 but the numerous 4s. They were particularly clappy at the two exquisitely timed drives of meaker in one over through wide mid off. Steve Davies also timed the ball beatifully and credit to him for I have no doubt watching that he help young Tom between overs.

I can also vouch for that the support at the last match in Scarborough by our players for our players from their changing room was loud and noisy just like today.

Tom do something useful log out.

Apologies for any typos

 
MESSAGES->author
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Grockle (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 23:23
Well gents...... i've tried for more than 3 years to get you to use an official process to allow me to deal with things and keep it off the site.

I have still to have any PM complaints to deal with because you all seem to hate bickering on the site but continue to allow it and whinge about it in public at each other leaving the moderator nothing to deal with.

Only thing I can reply to officially. Is this 'libel' accusation. The person who needs to be required to act to that is the site itself.

So 'Tom' if you wish to take legal action, you need to legally and officially ask SN to 'cease and desist' so they ask me to remove the posts. I'm not sure a number of posters saying the same thing while you stick by another story gives you a good case but it is not a criminal case so I'm sure the civil case will be intetesting.

If you want moderation people I need complaints. All I read here is lots of manly demands with no substance....



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geordie moonraker
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geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 23:43
To talk of the cricket...followed on cricinfo ( in its new unimproved version) on my laptop while gardening and keeping an eye on the test match through the window. I~ assumed that Surrey put us in because they didn't mind us bowling 4th, which made me wonder if last year's 4th innings chase from Jack and Tim was preying on the mind. The opening partnership made me weed with increased vigour;the clatter of wickets was taken out on a batch of slugs, and I applauded like mad at Tom and Steve's 50's -although because of the distance and the fact that I was wearing gardening gloves means it may not have been noticed in Taunton. It was a day that gave much hope and I look forward to see if this can be built upon.

 
MESSAGES->author
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Grockle (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 23:45
AG. Lewis was talking about the injury yesterday. He did not talk about playing through pain (though quite a number of cricketers do). He said the injections were just not lasting long enough for anything but short form cricket. I'm sure they know enough to manage his workload in a T20 game.



(Sm72)

 
MESSAGES->author
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Grockle (IP Logged)
07/08/2017 23:47
The class of Steve Davies really showed through today. He really is a fluent and skilled batsman. It was a joy to watch him in full flow for the first time really.



(Sm72)

 
Grizzzly
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Grizzzly (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 01:52
Thanks to all who attended the Q & A for their reports.

The content sounds relatively benign, given the extent of hyperbole over recent weeks.

I'm a little surprised that no-one took MM to task specifically regarding the contents of the JA interview.

We also seem to be still in the dark regarding the positions of PT, JA, MT, etc. for at least a while longer, together with the likely identity of our white ball Captain next season.

I'm wondering if the questioning was a little timid, or whether MM skilfully deflected potentially difficult questions without actually responding directly to issues raised ?

Grizzzly

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 06:41
Tomorrow's forecast now looks particularly discouraging, I'm afraid.

A little bird made a suggestion to me which makes sense viz the rumoured release of Nax Waller...namely that the club wants Dom Bess to be regularly involved in all cricket..

..And unless Roelof were to leave (a separate rumour reported by somebody else on here) there probably isn't room for 3 spinners in our white ball side (sure we could produce bunsens for white ball games in TA1 but I think too many of the punters like six fests so may diminsh the crowds if we did that.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 06:52
Looking at the other games:

A result is very likely at Lord's.

But I'm not entirely sure what I want to happen.

If Warks lose, they're toast. And the track seems to have been getting easier so the odds possibly favour Middx, I would have thought.

If Warks are toast they may go in the tank completely. That may help us when we go up to Edgbaston? On the other hand it may also help Yorkshire, who are becoming an outside bet for relegation as Warks will also play them.

If Warks were to win, they'd be not far behind us. But, if we take, say, 10 points from this current match, then we'd gain about six on Middx, cutting the gap between us to 24 points with five games to go.

I thought this was a must-win game for us before it started and I still think that. But I don't think the weather will allow enough play, and I fear the pitch may prove too slow anyway for us to be able to win this one.

A Middx win at Lord's would all but put them out of our reach in terms of trying to possibly finish ahead of them.

Incidentally, I note that Yorkshire have still to play all of Warks, Surrey and Middx.

Edited to correct nonsense as pointed out by Chunky. Thank you, Chunky.



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AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 06:55
If we take ten points from this current match then we shall be 29 points behind Yorkshire, but with a game in hand, as per the current table shown on the Beeb.

So they really would be potentially in this relegation scrap. Sadly, they have no more games to play on the trampoline at North Marine Road (back to the safer comfort of Headingley)

I note also that Surrey and Middx must also play each other (in the next round, in their case).

 
chunkyinargyll
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chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 07:16
AGod- You seem to have forgotten last game of season is Somerset v Middlesex.

I was hoping it would be fight for the title- not a battle to avoid relegation.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 07:18
If the Warks final two wickets could drag things out for ninety minutes or so this morning, then it's possible that Middx might not have time to get the runs today (although Warks might take the ten wickets). This might be relevant because tomorrow's forecast for London is so extraordinarily bad (quite a bit worse than that for Taunton which, itself, is very unpromising) that there might possibly not be a ball bowled in North London should the game last that long.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 07:26
Brain-fade, Chunky, sorry.

Yes, I still think we really do need to win this one, but not likely to be possible, I fear.

But, yes we do have your guys as well as the Brown Caps again. So if our lot could manage to win those two games and avoid disasters elsewhere then things might be very tight.

If we are 29 points behind Yorks with 5 to play and them 4 to play:

If we could find 70 points from our final five games (average 14 per match - about 3 wins and one draw or possible 2 wins and 3 draws), then they'd need either 41 pts or 42 pts from their final four (depending on number of matches won) to finish ahead of us. With the way Yorkshire are currently batting they could not be that confident of that sort of haul. However, I suppose they may get Ballance back from his broken digit next month because he won't get picked for ODIs, which might help to rally their batting.

 
MESSAGES->author
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Grockle (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 08:19
Well there's the first brain blown AG. While you are reconnecting another ( I check your stores, at this rate you won't reach the next game let alone the end of the season). Have you heard of a 'computer'. Put all the possibles in there and it can give you the result. I think they call it writing an 'algorythm' on Star Trek'.

Meanwhile for us bumbling along in real time. I think Max's prospects for next year are bleak at Somerset because of the presence of Dom as suggested. The conversations were certainly about getting Mr Bess more effectively involved.

Although it is a shame as Max is well worth his salt in T20, that one 'dimensionalness' has always been his Achilles Heel.



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AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 08:30
Or even algorithm.

 
Angell Face
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Angell Face (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 09:05
Apart from the runs, I am encouraged by Abell's comment that he has "gone back to basics with my technique". When I first saw him bat it struck me that he had a good orthodox technique: his left shoulder led and he got well forward or back. Seeing him this season it seemed to me that he was more square on and a gentleman who has held the highest positions in the Club sat with us on the hill for an hour during the Yorkshire match and offered the opinion that one of Abell's problems was that he was not getting far enough forward to a good length ball(I precis his remarks). Let's hope he has turned the corner.

 
Mike BOS
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Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 09:34
Often statements leave more question than are answered.

At the Q&A it was said Adam Hose and Darren Veness decided to leave the club, that remark doesn't tell us much.

Was Adam Hose contract handled correctly, should Somerset have got in there sooner than they did, the contract timetable detailed last night surely is not ridged, I have heard of players being given extensions to their contracts mid-season.

Talk at the ground yesterday why Darren Veness is leaving (I will not go into detail on what was being said) the gist of it was alleged he wanted to do something and the club wouldn't let him.

And of the younger players surely they need to know as soon as possible if they are going to be offered contracts for next season, I couldn't blame them if they moved to another club if a contract was offered sooner rather than later.

 
Farmer White
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Farmer White (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 09:42
Perhaps the most important thing I saw yesterday were four primary school age children playing cricket in the car park and another still carrying a pair of inflatable batons from yesterday’s T20 so he at least had been brought to both games. I saw five others, or perhaps the same five waiting for autographs by the Caddyshack only to all set off like a flock of County ground seagulls, in hot pursuit of Steven Davies’ six presumably for the honour of throwing it back. They were foiled because it fell at the foot of the out of bounds, for this match, temporary stand. There were four or five children of a similar age in the top deck of the Somerset Pavilion from where I viewed today. Hopefully from small beginnings children at Championship matches in numbers will return perhaps gradually drawn in by T20 where they proliferate.

I think that is the first time I have seen an out of bounds stand at Taunton. Understandable given the seats were not needed and the steep steps for access but it does perhaps help explain’ Andy Nash’s opposition to a permanent huge stand there if the Championship atmosphere at the ground is to be preserved and which I remember him saying the team value.

Somerset needed to continue the return to form they had shown at Scarborough. Trescothick’s swish at a wide one in the first over sent a shiver. Then almost immediately he seemed to find his touch. Boundaries from perfectly struck drives and steers wide of gully unveiled the Trescothick of old. Heavily overcast skies perhaps the reason why Gareth Batty inserted Somerset were brightened by Trescothick’s stroke play and Batty might just have felt the slightest of shivers himself. Byrom too having been left standing by Trescothick at the outset started to show that perhaps Somerset have another left-handed opener of class in the making.

As the Trescothick Byrom partnership was developing I found myself discussing the future of domestic cricket in general and of Somerset in particular with someone I have watched Somerset with for years. We covered the decline in Test Cricket attendances and the long-term threat that might pose to the Championship. Whether Somerset can both prioritise the Championship and retain its best T20 players when the City based T20 starts. Whether international matches and the potential profits are important to the Club. Whether Somerset can retain its first division place this season. And, as they say, much more. After half an hour or so we had come to no serious conclusion about anything nor did we look likely to.

It didn’t take our eye off the cricket though. We still applauded Trescothick’s fours and commented on Byrom’s potential. Discussed the wisdom of playing on a used pitch; not that either of us knows the first thing about pitch preparation. That is the thing about the Championship. You can sit and discuss unlimited aspects of cricket endlessly, whether you know anything about them or not, and not miss a bit of cricket. You can’t do that with T20. You can’t do anything with T20 except watch it. If you don’t watch it incessantly you can’t keep up. Ever tried keeping a scorecard at a T20 match? Don’t.

Watching a T20 match is like riding a highspeed roller coaster. Watching a Championship match is heaven. At least it is when Somerset are 43-0 having been inserted. At 46-3 it feels rather different. Trescothick, after dominating, edged Meaker’s second ball to slip. Rouse joined Byrom and almost as quickly departed for a duck having flashed a cut at a ball from Clarke which took the edge. Hildreth came in on the back of his hundred at Scarborough and played down the line of Clarke’s next ball only for it to straighten and take the pad or at least that is what it looked like from the top of the Somerset Pavilion. Déjà vu.

Then something wonderful happened. Tom Abell joined Byrom. He defended hard at the start and how hard he tried. Every ball that could not be left was met by the full face of the bat. We waited with trepidation for the ball that would breach his defence as déjà vu demanded. But it never came. Just a straight bat as wide as Roman legionnaire’s shield or so it must have seemed to Surrey. ‘They shall not pass’ sprang to mind. He had walked to the wicket on a wave of hope and warm applause, from the crowd that he might at last come good.

At first he and Byrom defended for all they were worth. In T20 Somerset would have attacked, attacked and attacked again to break free. But this was the Championship and they just faced Surrey down. Then Byrom broke the stalemate with a beautiful clip through mid-wicket to cries of ‘shot!’ from round about me. Abell responded with an equally impressive push of Clarke, wicket taker in chief, to the Ondtajee boundary. There are not many who can make a push look as sumptuous as a cover drive but this one was.

It prompted a buzz around the ground. No music of course but I could not get that ear worm ‘Sweet Caroline’ out of my head from yesterday. Perhaps, just perhaps this might be the turning point. I watched an over from the terrace above the umpire’s head. Clarke was moving the ball through the air. Marginally but away from the batsman. The anticipation and hope were blunted by a blanket of cloud and rain that hung above the point of the Quantocks all morning. Threatening but from a distance.

Surrey kept at their task and Byrom and Abell theirs. At 56-3 the ball was changed. Abell despatched it for three and four with square drives from the top drawer. Cries of ‘shot!’ again. Next Byrom awoke the ghosts in the old stragglers bar with a backward cut that streaked lighting fast into their midst. Two of the four slips that had stalked Somerset all morning had now retreated as lunch approached. Then as if by way of a statement of intent Abell pulled the penultimate ball before lunch to the temporary stand boundary. Shot! 92-3.

Batty opened after lunch from the River End and Byrom promptly swept him behind square for four. Next ball he advanced far down the pitch to him and was bowled. 96-4. In such moments are dreams shattered. Enter Stephen Davies with an awful season with the bat behind him. Surrey prowled. Batty and Clarke bowled with the persistent accuracy which suggested hunters closing in on their prey. In the half an hour after Byrom departed seven runs were scored. Not a hint of T20 technique here.

Then the miracle began to take shape. First Davies broke free with the most delicate of late cuts wide of the fielder to Gimblett’s Hill. Then Abell clipped Clarke to the Caddyshack boundary where the skimming ball was parried by the fielder diving full length only to run twenty yards along the boundary rope. ‘Shot!’ and ‘Shot!’ again. Sometimes such fine margins mark a turning point. The Quantocks certainly thought so for they drove away the ugly cloud and the rain for a better view and the day lightened.

So did the cricket. Abell and Davies unleashed an array of sweeps, cuts, late cuts, pulls and drives of all types: straight, on, cover , off, back foot, especially from Abell the back foot drive. What a stroke that is when played with such precision and power. And the pulls apart hardly a ball lifted off the ground.

I timed the boundaries as they flowed. 14.32 14.32 14.35 14.37 14.39 (6) 14.42 14.44 14.47 14.55 15.01 15.08 15.24 15.31 15.35 15.36 15.38 15.46 15.48. It was as good a display of controlled precision attacking batting to wrest the initiative from a circling opposition as you could hope to see. The applause, the ever more intense buzz that enveloped the ground the cries of ‘Shot’ that ever increasingly punctuated it was a sound for sore ears this season. This was the partnership of the season at least at home.

It had been such a display that brightened Somerset hearts to the extent that I had not noticed how bright the figures on the scoreboard had become. The Quantocks had given up the unequal struggle and the cloud had enveloped the ground as much as the applause. But what memories remain of that golden miraculous afternoon. Somerset 234-4 Abell 88* Davies 68* and that was it for the day.

Who would have thought it but then as someone said to me after the players had come off, “Form is temporary. Class is permanent.” I hope those Primary school children took some of it in.

And for now that is it for I am off to the cricket. Not even time to proof read this so apologies for any howlers – or at least for more than normal.

 
barndoorio
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barndoorio (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 09:47
What a wonderful sport cricket is!

Such passion is imbued, that we have a fan threatening legal action following a disagreement about how many people clapped a player scoring 50.

At least it makes my readings on football equivalents not seem quite so hyperbolic now.

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 09:59
Lovely piece of writing again FW, thank you.

Here's hoping for some good progress today in between the showers to get us up toward 4 batting points minimum.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 10:13
Yes, Mike, of course you are entirely right that players are often awarded contract extensions during a season. A club can award an extension to a player whenever it chooses, without doubt.

As for Tom Abell and his technique - a good question that could have been asked of Maynard would have been this:

Will the club now re-consider sending young players abroad over the winter (?), given that, presumably, one of two things happened to Tom Down Under:

Either

a) Playing on Australian pitches caused Tom to adjust his technique and then he failed to adjust it back (if Tom played on bouncy tracks then that could explain a technical flaw in which he was tending to not get his weight fully forward when playing forward).

or

b) Some Aussie coach took it upon himself to interfere with Tom's natural technique.

Of course, if the problem was b) then that is a learning experience for Tom - unless you're badly out of form, don't let the coach make changes to your technique, especially if he's not even your real boss!! But perhaps the problem here was that Tom already felt somewhat out of form and sought assistance because his record at home last year was dreadful once we started producing the dry tracks.

In general, it seems to me to make sense to send players off to experience different conditions, different types of bowling etc to aid their development as cricketers but here, perhaps, is a salutary lesson about the potential pitfalls of doing so...

.... perhaps any placements should be very short and players should be recalled to Taunton earlier, just in case they've developed the sort of nasty technical gremlin that Mr Maynard told us that Mr Abell had developed.

Or perhaps (and this would have an obvious cost implication) SCCC coaches need to be dispatched *with* our young players to ensure that they are not receiving unhelpful advice from coaches overseas?

The batting woes this season were certainly not all Tom's fault. But, had he not been in terrible form then not only would we have got more runs from his bat but it seems very likely that we would have got more runs from the bats of others ... for example Hildreth and Davies would, on average, have been facing an older ball, perhaps a far older ball. Even Trego had to face a newish ball too often in the first part of this season.



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AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 11:00
Come on boys, I want you two to add at least another ton together and I'm going to be greedy and request full batting bonus points. A 13 point haul from the match is not what we want but we'd not be out of it with that haul.................... and the key point might be that batting confidence might have been significantly restored if these two are feeling really good about themselves, so that we can go into the remaining games with more chance of getting reasonable hauls of batting bonus points.

 
Monkey Butler
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Monkey Butler (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 11:27
Abell is gone one boundary away from his century. A shame, but I hope he takes confidence in the fact that this has been a pivotal knock for somerset.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 11:32
Yes. Chances of full batting bonus points probably greatly diminished now, however, unless the lower-order rallies to very good effect.

I can't say I'm expecting a significant score from Jim Allenby.

 
Somerset LaLaLa
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Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 11:37
Ground Control to Captain Tom
Ground Control to Captain Tom
Take your protein pills and put your helmet on
Ground Control to Captain Tom (ten, nine, eight, seven, six)
Commencing countdown, engines on (five, four, three)
Check ignition and may God's love be with you (two, one, liftoff)

This is Ground Control to Captain Tom
You've really made the grade

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 11:40
Warks' lead at Lord's is stating to assume the sort of proportions that may make them feel that they are in with a real shout in that game.

And, if the North London weather is as bad as forecast tomorrow, then it may be a big enough lead that the match is ultimately drawn (assuming little or no play tomorrow) That would probably allow us to gain a small number of points relative to Middx, given the very low first-innings scores in that match.

 
MESSAGES->author
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Big Jim (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 11:42
Gutted for Tom, but what a knock, pure class. Time to put them to the sword.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 11:48
Allenby failed to justify his selection again, I'm afraid.

A poor choice for this XI.

Since he's obviously leaving anyway and isn't up to CC1 standards with the bat anyway, I fail to see any sensible purpose in persisting with him, I'm afraid.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 11:49
I hope Cove is able to explode on Surrey, hit them all over the park.

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 11:51
Just what does Jim Allenby bring to the side?
Mybs should be playing in his place.
(JA will take 5 wickets now in the Surrey 1st innings)

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 11:51
But he couldn't.

Hope SD gets his ton and then, quite frankly, I wouldn't mind cracking on with trying to get all three bowling bonus points.

Won't be easy, probably, with reportedly naff all turn from the deck and only two frontline seamers in the team, but you never know .. if Cove bowls like he did at Scarborough (albeit on far, far slower track), Timmy G shows his experience and Surrey panic a bit..

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 11:53
Bit of a collapse now then.
Come on - let's get at least the third batting point

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 11:53
Absolutely right, Rod.

I'd have picked Mybs at number three for this one.

Sadly, the chances of JA taking five wickets are , well....

The best we can hope for is that he *might* be able to tie down an end.

That's what he brings - some bowling that is usually economical, but it's not enough to merit a place given absence of batting performance and absence of bowling penetration.

Maynard will have to drop him all over again.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 11:55
Highest first innings total of the whole summer, now (at 274)

Which rather speaks volumes...



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AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 12:18
Love Dom Bess as a player.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 12:24
Good job, SD.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 12:25
IN case we hear to the contrary, I note the words of the commentators:

"The whole SCCC team is on the balcony applauding."

 
Somerset LaLaLa
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Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 12:26
You are my Davies,
My Steven Davies,
You make me happy,
When skies are grey,
So keep your Clarke,
And Nora Batty,
But Please don't take my Davies away...

 
mikeindex
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mikeindex (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 12:28
Bravo Steve Davies.
Pouring down in Wellington now and moving steadily East, I fear...

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 12:49
Forecasts seem to claim otherwise but, as ever, we shall see..

 
MESSAGES->author
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Grockle (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 13:01
Well done Steve. Glorious weather in Bicknoller after I took the forecast at its word. I'll sort a lottle of the ego and pettiness of last night today if possible ( still have not received any kind of official complaint about any poster - maybe it is simply because I wasn't involved who knows).

I may split the thread for those using the mobile version as it has got a little long for phone memory.



(Sm72)

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 13:03
Grockle = you know how it goes, lots of smoke, fury and indignation, but almost never any willingness to actually take any official action (on the part of posters, I mean, not on your part).

Anyway, loving Dom's work here - superb.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 13:07
The much bally-hooed Currans?

0-150 at about 4.7 runs per over...............

All in front of England selector, Mick Newell (or at least he was there yesterday)

But, as they play for Surrey...........

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 13:13
357-7 off 94 at lunch.
Can we get max batting points?
Can Dom get his 50, SD his 150?

 
MESSAGES->author
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Kingston Black (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 13:25
They really should turn the radio commentary microphone off or down during these intervals. I've just heard every word of an ostensibly private conversation between three gentlemen who I imagine would have much preferred it if their private thoughts and opinions had not been broadcast to all and sundry. Had to turn the volume up a bit, but every word...

KB

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 13:29
If these two stay together, then we surely will get maximum batting points.

If not, maybe Timmy G will come out to slap a quick 20 or so to help us up there?

It would be great to be able to declare at 400-7 or 400-8 and thus denying Surrey a bowling point.

Before anyone mentions it, yes, we can declare provided that the *only* reason isn't to deny them a bowling bonus point. It wouldn't be - the point would be to get on with trying to get our bowling bonus points won, in view of a poor forecast for tomorrow and, indeed, to progress a game that we really need to win.



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AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 13:30
Anything interesting, KIngston Black?

Or too salacious to go into print!?

 
MESSAGES->author
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Kingston Black (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 13:39
Wouldn't be fair to reveal the details AG, but they were discussing the Q&A meeting yesterday and Steve Davies innings today. I only mentioned it because I think the good folk in the media centre should be aware that their conversations may unwittingly be being broadcast during breaks in play.

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 13:45
With the injuries Middx have (one of Compton or Robson opened with a runner, Gubbins pulled a muscle in the field earlier this morning), and at 21-1 chasing 327 to win - A Warwickshire win could be on.
If we can do the business, then it drags Middx back into the mix.

Edit - 23 for 2......



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AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 13:52
Magnificent, Dominic, Sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Middx now 28-2, so possibly looking a little grim for them. Robson and Eskinazi both gone.

 
mikeindex
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mikeindex (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 13:58
Bravo bravo Dombess!
Rain passed fairly quickly in Wellington and presumably went wide of the CG (or it would have been there by now). Keep it up boys.

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 14:02
Middx 28-4!

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 14:04
Middx 28-3 and apparently rushing, headlong, toward an ignominious defeat. At the time of typing we figure to gain at least six points on Middx as a result of this round.

They have 3 bonus points from their match, we have 4.

We are likely to finish with an absolute minimum of 9, and have hopes of a full 13 points, in which case we'd close the gap to Middx by ten points (leaving them 20 points up the road, as opposed to 30, with five games each still to play).

Obviously, Warks would gain on us somewhat..

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 14:05
28-4. Shocking stuff.

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 14:08
Well, if Middx and Yorks continue to bat as they have in this round of games, then we must be in with a pretty good shout of staying up.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 14:09
Booooo. Batty. Hiss.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 14:09
Time for Tim to hit Batty all the way to Weston...........

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 14:10
Best 8th wicket partnership vs Surrey.

What an effort by Dom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 14:10
Middx 34-5!!!!!

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 14:13
34-5 at Lord's.

Might be over by tea, at this rate.

It looks like this relegation battle may involve as many as 5 (or possibly even 6 if Hants get dragged in) teams at the moment.

There are only about 15 points separating 2nd from 6th in the table.

 
MESSAGES->author
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Grockle (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 14:14
Gotta win first people but we are going the right way about that. Well done Dom. Hope the weather stays away.



(Sm72)

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 14:18
Darkening now, apparently.

Would be handy if heavily overcast (but stays dry) when we start bowling..

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 14:20
Blackdowns swathed in mist, apparently...

 
rodders12
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rodders (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 14:25
Great effort from some much maligned team members ( though not all ) and in a position I would say from which we cannot lose. Whether or not we can win is another question entirely !

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 14:26
Well played SD.
Can Jack and Tim get us that batting point?

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 14:27
Draw the heavy favourite, but Yorks getting hammered and Middx heading the same way means that a draw would not be the end of the world.

 
Germiston lad
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Germiston lad (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 15:17
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AGod
Absolutely right, Rod.
I'd have picked Mybs at number three for this one.

Sadly, the chances of JA taking five wickets are , well....

The best we can hope for is that he *might* be able to tie down an end.

That's what he brings - some bowling that is usually economical, but it's not enough to merit a place given absence of batting performance and absence of bowling penetration.

Maynard will have to drop him all over again.

The 2nd eleven look like they have found a promising bowler (P D Trego) 10 overs-3 maidens-30 for 5.
One wonders why he is not in the first team?

 
MESSAGES->author
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Grockle (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 15:26
But we NEED the win and MUST go for it with all guns blazing.

Your 13:30 assessment is pretty much spot on AG. Little I can do if not asked to act and being indermined by activity of people.

Ahh well not the first golden opportunity missed of this season.



(Sm72)

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 15:33
Well,unfortunately, Gl, when he was in the team, earlier this season, Peter had a bowling average in three figures.

Last year he was superb with the bat so his diminished bowling role didn't really matter. But this year a batting average of about 20 and a bowling average in three figures were not cutting the mustard.

Still, there's no point Peter playing in the seconds at all, unless Mr Maynard is going to pay attention to his performances.

Perhaps, Matthew has sent him to the seconds specifically with instructions to work on getting back to it as a bowler?

It would be nice to think that were the case. And if he's bowling well in the seconds then he ought to be a strong candidate to return instead of Mr Allenby, given that he is probably a much better bet to make runs.

To judge from the scorecard, it would seem that conditions may have been loaded in favour of the bowling side this morning. But Hants have made a much better start to the follow-on so further wickets may press Peter's case more effectively.



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Following on (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 15:33
What on earth are Middlesex up to? having collapsed to 111-9 with rain on the way and an awful forecast for tomorrow they have gone into full on T20 mode and hit six consecutive deliveries for 4!!!!

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 15:34
It means they've given up a la Yorkshire on the same ground last season.

 
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Following on (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 15:34
Quite right AG - they have lost

 
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Following on (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 15:36
What's the weather doing at HQ? any chance of a resumption today?

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 15:40
From what I heard it's not too bad but the umpires don't look terribly interested in actually going out there and getting the cricket on.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 15:54
Finally back on at 16:15pm per the Beeb...

 
MESSAGES->author
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Scrumper (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 16:09
This is getting too big for mobile.

 
Germiston lad
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Germiston lad (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 16:17
Quote:
AGod
Well,unfortunately, Gl, when he was in the team, earlier this season, Peter had a bowling average in three figures.
Last year he was superb with the bat so his diminished bowling role didn't really matter. But this year a batting average of about 20 and a bowling average in three figures were not cutting the mustard.

Still, there's no point Peter playing in the seconds at all, unless Mr Maynard is going to pay attention to his performances.

Perhaps, Matthew has sent him to the seconds specifically with instructions to work on getting back to it as a bowler?

It would be nice to think that were the case. And if he's bowling well in the seconds then he ought to be a strong candidate to return instead of Mr Allenby, given that he is probably a much better bet to make runs.

To judge from the scorecard, it would seem that conditions may have been loaded in favour of the bowling side this morning. But Hants have made a much better start to the follow-on so further wickets may press Peter's case more effectively.

I am relatively new to the game of cricket, I am only in my 60"S, so I should probably bow to your superior knowledge of stat's and the game in general, but may I venture to say that maybe PT is bowling better at the moment because he has given himself a chance to bowl. I cant remember him bowling in at least two of the current formats I.E. 20-20 rubbish and the 50 over version this year. If I am wrong, then I apologies.

It seems to me though, that he is not on his own in performing below his usual standard this season, but it must be particularly upsetting to be replaced in the team by some one (JA) who is preforming well below the standard that Tigger sets himself, and IMO is not both physically and technically fit to play for Somerset.

I seem to have seen someone else on this thread asking: what does JA contribute to the team. Its certainly not fitness or performance on the field, perhaps he is particularly good at brown nosing with the DoC or running for his drinks? Or am I being cruel? Perhaps!

 
Grizzzly
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Grizzzly (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 16:18
Well done Steve & Tom. And well done Dom as well.

Five batting points as well ! That hasn't happened too often recently.

Grizzzly



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AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 16:20
All of my comments related to CC cricket. He did bowl in the CC and had a three figure bowling average earlier this season -- 170 to be specific.

Nobody that has a season record of 20 with the bat and 278 with the ball has too much right to be upset at being dropped.

But they would have a right to be upset if they started to put in strong performances in the twos whilst JA does nada in the firsts, and yet JA still got preferred.



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Following on (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 16:22
Great effort from Somerset - particularly in the week that both Yorkshire and Middlesex have disintegrated!

 
mikeindex
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mikeindex (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 16:23
Time to declare now the milestone is passed?
Or have a go and try and get a quick 20 first? Maybe the latter.

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 16:24
What pay back it would be for last season if the final day results saved us, and relegated Middx and Yorks!

 
mikeindex
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mikeindex (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 16:24
…sounds like they're following Option 2.

 
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Following on (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 16:27
There can't be many better No 11's than Timmy G!

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 16:30
Timmy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
MESSAGES->author
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Grockle (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 16:37
I will do something about the size of it Scrumper in the next hour or so if possible.



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mikeindex
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mikeindex (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 16:40
@Following on quite so.



"Tim Groenewald - best No 11 in the world" - Rob Key

 
geordie moonraker
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geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 16:46
Right to bat on past 400 for quick runs. Our best (only)chance of winning is to get Surrey to follow on-and they now have to make an extra 36 runs to do it. Splendid performance so far.

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 16:48
Couple of early wickets please - get the jitters going and put the pressure on their middle order early

 
mikeindex
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mikeindex (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 16:48
Quite agree GM. Plan 2 couldn't have gone much better.



"Tim Groenewald - best No 11 in the world" - Rob Key

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 16:49
Sounds like we'll be off for light before long, sadly.

I'd love a quick couple before that happens..

 
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Grockle (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 17:09
I am going to shut this on down and start Part 2 for our mobile colleagues. Please continue on.



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Surrey Week Part 2
Grockle (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 17:10
Bad light might take us off for the rest of Day 2 so we'll use this one for Day 3 and 4.



(Sm72)



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Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 18:08
Need to split these two.
For anyone there - any likelihood of that happening?

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 18:29
Great - Burns gone 58 for 1.
Another before close please

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 18:43
We're rattling through the overs - need some wickets for bowling points at least

 
geordie moonraker
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geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 23:07
WAs the run out good fielding or poor calling?



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Farmer White
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Farmer White (IP Logged)
08/08/2017 23:23
Both at one end. One very unamused departure.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 08:00
Sadly it seems that we've failed to get this track dry enough for it to help the bowlers much. July was just too wet, I guess.

It's helped SD and TA show some form, which is a plus, but if the final two home tracks are slow and flat too then we will surely go down I'm afraid ESPECIALLY as we are reduced to only two front-line seamers. Let's face it our other seamers are either military medium (Pete, Jim) or unproven (Josh, PVM), so if the remaining tracks don't turn and/or are painfully slow then we have real problems.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 08:02
IF the forecast is right then the only thing we might get today is maybe 15 overs or so starting about 5.30

So this is a draw but hopefully we can manage to winkle them out and get our bowling bonus points.

 
Wickham
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Wickham (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 09:09
If anyone in Taunton is reading this, what is the weather like this morning, please? (The information on the Richard Huish site is 41 days out of date!)

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 09:14
I'm nowhere near Taunton, but the BBC Weather service looks like rain until about 2 or 3pm

 
Wickham
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Wickham (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 09:20
Thanks, Rod. I had see that, but wondered whether the reality matched up to it. In any event, I will set off soon with my fingers crossed.

 
Sloop John B
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Sloop John B (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 09:34
Moist in ta1 at 9:00. Likely to be clearing around lunchtime according to Met Office.

 
barndoorio
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barndoorio (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 09:40
I am about 200 metres away from the ground and it's raining pretty heavily.

 
mikeindex
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mikeindex (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 10:07
Lightish but very steady rain in Wellington, sky uniformly grey.

 
Mike BOS
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Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 10:13
I have just been shopping and I am wet.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 11:20
Yep, it's the usual depressing August weather. It is often one of the wettest months of the entire year and almost always the wettest of the three summer months.

I hope the ECB decides to play its new abomination in August...........

 
MESSAGES->author
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Grockle (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 11:57
It's wet at the ground Wickham all covers on and puddles on pitches at the edges of the covers. They expect the climate to dry out about 2:00. Simon expects very little play as the outfield is sodden.



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barndoorio
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barndoorio (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 12:03
Can't vouch for the reliability of the data, but going on the assumption it's valid. You are wrong... [www.yr.no]

August is more 'rainy' than July, but no more than any other month in the year on average.

 
MESSAGES->author
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Grockle (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 12:21
No play before an early lunch at Taunton. Inspection about 2 and it is doubtful of play today according to those who have had conversations this morning.



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AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 12:44
Barndoorio - I was talking about the country as a whole, rather than Taunton specifically.

When I said wettest I was also thinking about the total amount of rain that falls, rather than number of wet days per month.

[sdwebx.worldbank.org]

On that basis, as this confirms, August tends to be the wettest of the summer months.

It's also the fifth wettest month of the whole year on that basis, with only October, November, December and January being worse. There will, of course, be regional variations but, in general, I would say the further West a place is the more likely it to adhere to this pattern.



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barndoorio
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barndoorio (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 13:10
I didn't realise the country existed outside of Taunton?

 
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Grockle (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 13:10
Seems there is an article in tje Cricket paper saying there will be no Tests in the UK after July in 2020.

Seems the organisers have realised that England players may be useful in doing more than selling UberT20 and so they will be drafted into that for the 38 ish days of it from end of July....

It's the Ashes that winter but that doesn't generate domestic income does it?



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Grockle (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 13:20
Play abandoned for Day 3 people



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Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 13:25
That's a shame.
Just hope we can get at least a couple of bowling points tomorrow.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 13:45
So they are going to try to play that drivel in August!? Hahaha - a watery grave awaits that awful competition.

I'm glad the CC will take place mainly in months with a better chance of dry weather.

 
Wickham
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Wickham (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 13:59
A shame about today's weather (I see that play has now been abandoned for the day). However, yesterday was most enjoyable. Davies played very well, timing the ball beautifully. Bess showed great promise - I think that he will soon be batting at number 7. And TG provided great entertainment, hitting the ball a very long way.

Abell deserved a century. This is now the third time I have seen him "strangled" down the leg-side - as I said on the previous occasion this happened, I don't think that the fine glance he tends o play to balls outside his leg-stump is a profitable shot for him.

Surrey might be well-advised to give the Curran brothers more rest - they are both still young and there must be a risk of damage to their bodies (or, at least, to their performances) if they are over-bowled.

 
nelliec
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nelliec (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 14:06
It would be interesting to see how many grackles would consider gambling tomorrow and setting Surrey a target to chase ,assuming Surrey would agree to an arrangement. Personally I would be happy for them to declare overnight leaving 367 to chase in 100 overs possibly,gambling on some spin after lunch tomorrow.

 
Somerset LaLaLa
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Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 14:17
A Hose down

 
Sloop John B
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Sloop John B (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 14:35
Rainfall in TA1 since 2010
Month July August Sept
2010 0.5 2.75 inches 1.25
2011 1.2 1.5 1.5
2012 2.3 3.2 3.00
2013 0.8 0.7 2.1
2014 0.75 2.45 0.5
2015 2.25 3.35 1.36
2016 0 0.85 1.5

This does bear out the suggestion that August is a wetter month than July or Sept.

 
Farmer White
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Farmer White (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 14:45
As the rains subside for anyone interested here is a look back at yesterday:

Somerset v Surrey day 2. Somerset 438 all out. Surrey 69-1.

There was a varied crowd at Taunton yesterday. Not least because on Gimblett’s Hill among the regulars were a group containing an Archbishop, a Franciscan Friar, a Nun of what order I cannot say, a Roman Senator and one or two others of indeterminate religious persuasion, all eating fish and chips. Whether present to incant for divine intervention for Somerset’s salvation in Division 1 or refugees from a rained off T20 I leave the reader to determine. Perhaps the former for Somerset produced their highest score of the season at Taunton. I trust they gave thanks too for Somerset’s haul of five golden batting points.

The day had started in the top of the Somerset Stand for me. I stood on the terrace right over the umpire’s head to watch Clarke’s first over. Although Davies edged the first ball of the day onto his pad to a strangled appeal I could see no movement at all through the rest of the over. The second ball Davies drove through the covers to the Caddyshack for four as if he had been middling it for a million years. The fifth he turned smoothly into the on side with the same stroke that had been his downfall early in his innings so often earlier in the season. Form is a cruel taskmaster for it gives and it takes away and turns from one to the other without notice or reason.

It was a quarter of an hour before a watchful Abell cut Meaker to the Ondatjee and two overs more before he clipped him hard to the Somerset Stand. 96*. Then in a repeat of the stroke that seems to take his wicket too often for my liking he tried to flick past the keeper and was ‘strangled’ down the leg side off Clarke. I am not sure though that ‘strangled’ is the right term when, to my impression, he seems to be out this way more often than most. I heard someone say, “I wonder if they bowl some there deliberately to him”. And Clarke is a wily old performer.

There was warm extended applause for his departure from around the ground and a group were standing on the players balcony applauding and as far as I could see through the glass some behind too. Around the ground some stood but what an ovation he might have had with a millimetre or two more bat on that flick or had he waited for the one to drive, cut or pull which he had done all innings long the day before. There was though generally relief all around. Not just for the runs but for the sheer class with which they had been scored.

There was an alarum of similar type too for Davies soon after as he tried to hook a high one from Clarke and succeeded in just brushing the glove of Foakes as he jumped at an angle down the leg side. Not enough of a brush to prevent the ball flying down to the Botham Stand but enough to bring cries of “Oooooh!” from the crowd. On such narrow escapes can centuries be made.

Allenby hit a perfect late cut to the Trescothick off Clarke before Davies advanced down the track to drive Batty straight back over his head for a one bounce four into the Somerset Pavilion. The sound off the bat was perfection itself. Wilfred Rhodes attending cricket matches in his unsighted dotage would have known exactly what happened to that ball. I then contrived to miss the fall of Allenby but someone told me he played at one from Clarke and edged to the keeper. Soon followed Overton lbw to what looked from behind like a nasty quick one from Meaker which deviated off the pitch. To my mind Meaker was the pick of the Surrey bowlers. He certainly looked more threatening than either of the Currans with the ball seeming to often skid through.

The buzz which had permeated the air on the first day was now an anxious mumble for Somerset had lost three wickets in 5 overs and 19 runs. Batting points have been a rare commodity for Somerset this season and now Somerset were collapsing, seven down and still 30 runs short of a third and the new ball less than five overs away.

Davies responded by cutting Batty to the Temporary Stand for four and Bess matched him with a perfect copy of the same stroke off Meaker to the Ondatjee. These were measure controlled shots not desperate mid-collapse ones. Somerset clearly meant business in this innings. What followed was a sight for sore eyes this season. A determined display of assertive assured stroke play all around the wicket against which any effect of the new ball passed unnoticed. The much-vaunted Currans made no impact on this innings although the way they conducted themselves about the field spoke of an underlying confidence. Surrey changed the bowling around. They could not change the stroke play or the mounting accumulation of runs outpacing the clock towards a fifth batting bonus point. It was truly stirring stuff and the applause and chatter rose in volume to match the pace and growth of the partnership. People had been starved of such fare as this all season and we were going to savour it now.

All the while another battle was going on in the skies above us. There was a band of high white cloud above the Quantocks which bent round from above the Trescothick Stand and on behind the Ondatjee Pavilion. The Blackdowns behind the Somerset Stand were swathed in rain when I looked, the Brendon’s beyond the Brian Rose Gates were lost in the cloud as if they had never existed and darker cloud hovered above and beyond the flats. The no-man’s-land between the two, and more or less directly above the eastern half of the ground was the clearest band of blue sky you could wish for.

The flags on the Pavilion hung down unmoved as if they had not recovered from a good night out. Through the day the band of blue sky would edge infinitesimally one way or the other. If it stayed above the ground we played. If it edged to lie in a line from just behind the Ondatjee to the Temporary Stand edge of the Colin Atkinson it rained. I don’t think that band of blue sky ever went away. Had the ground been three miles to the east we might have played all day. Had it been three miles to the west we might have had no more than a dozen overs.

Throughout the day the Quantocks revelled in the good weather in which they were bathed. Not so much as a single raindrop after spending virtually the whole of the previous day swimming in them. And for Henry Blofeld aficionados as I watched the Quantocks a five coach train in Crosscountry livery slid into Taunton station as gracefully as one of Stephen Davies’ silky boundaries. Where it was headed I know not but perhaps taking some of its remaining passengers to the joys of Plymouth. If so I hope at least one of them found their way to that glorious view from The Hoe as some compensation for having missed Davies innings.

Meanwhile back at the ground Davies and Bess were both playing innings which bring blue skies rather than dark clouds to mind. There were clips off the legs, pushes into the gaps, cuts and late cuts, drives off the front and back foot, precision made pulls one of which from Davies off Tom Curran bisected the onside field and cruised to the Somerset Stand boundary to bring up his hundred. Much of the ground rose to him and players applauded from the balcony for a century is the true mark to which every batsman aspires and this one had increasingly been a thing of sheer silken joy to watch.

Now Davies started rolling his wrists over the short ball and coaxing other balls through the gaps as Bess hit pugnaciously about the place. We have seen Bess’s Championship bowling albeit on helpful pitches. If this is indicative of what he might be capable as a lower order batsmen then it is easy to see where any threat to Max Waller’s position in the Club may come from for with the way cricket is going clubs are going to need to offer T20 cricket opportunities to young players of this sort of ability.

Somerset went to lunch on 357-7, four batting points safely stowed, with Davies on 128 and Bess on 41 equalling his top first class score. In three successive strokes off Clark immediately after lunch he clipped to the Temporary Stand and flicked two more fours to the Botham stand. 53*. I wonder what price Tom Abell might have paid for just one of those flicks.

I had been delayed on my lunchtime perambulation of the ground and watched this passage of play from the gap between the Trescothick and Somerset Stands. As I watched someone who inhabits the Botham Stand as a matter of course stopped on his perambulations to talk. Again the talk turned to the future of Test and Championship cricket and whether Test cricket can withstand the T20 storm, though we did not miss a single one of Bess’s hat trick of fours. You can do both these things together at a Championship match and it makes you appreciate the value of what you are watching and the ambience in which you watch it.

All good things come to an end though and Bess finally, as I reached the scoreboard near where the old Stragglers Bar used to be, played back to Batty and his stumps rattled. “Why did it have to be Batty?’ someone mumbled. I carried on past Gimblett’s Hill, and the convocation of party clerics et al who were intently watching the cricket, back to my seat in the Somerset Pavilion ‘gods’ just in time for Steven Davies to pop one to mid-off. The applause this time carried him all the way back to the Pavilion.

The party though was not over for Somerset. Tim Groenewald joined Jack Leach who was in one of his, ‘they shall not pass’ moods. It was just as well for Somerset were still 12 short of 400. Dangerous too for the opposition when Leach plays like that and Tim Groenawald gets his eye in at the other end. What followed was not quite as pretty as the artistry that had gone before but it was mightily effective and Groenwalds’s hitting was as clean and powerful as you could hope to see.

Leach accumulated 17 including a cut to the Somerset Stand for four and one turned behind square for a single, both off the persevering Meaker, to bring Someset to 399-9. So close but not this time so far for in the next over Leach drove a Curran for a single to bring up the 400. Uproar! Leach must have nerves of tungsten for he seems to revel in these situations especially when there are nine down.

Whilst Leach closed the gate on Surrey’s attempt on the tenth wicket Groenwald made hay. He hooked Sam Curran into the bottom of the Temporary Stand, pulled him in front of square to the Ondatejee, was hit hard and jolted by Meaker at the start of the next over and then deposited him square into the very top row of the Somerset Stand at the end of it. Next he pulled Borthwick beyond the Caddyshack for another huge six, a young schoolboy fast disappearing after it to be the one to remember for many a year that he was the one to throw it back.

All good things must come to an end. Groenewald middled a vicious straight drive. Borthwick took off and caught it unimaginably and horizontally to his left. Such an innings of ferocious clean hitting almost needed an end as clean and spectacular as that. 436 all out from 270-7. Miraculous or a sign of a benign pitch? Whichever there was a hum of relief around the ground for this season, Lord’s apart, 436 was unimagined riches in which to glory.

Somerset questioned the integrity of the ball before Overton had bowled it three times at the start of the Surrey innings. The umpires looked long and hard at it rather as if they had never seen a cricket ball before but in the end decided it was the real deal and threw it back. Thereafter the bowlers put their heart and backs into the task. Groenewald induced one edge just short of Trescothick at second slip and one just too wide of him. Allenby produced what would have been catching practice had there been a fifth slip. But beyond that the pace bowlers made no headway. Leach troubled the batsmen a few times to ‘ooohs’ and ‘aaahs’ towards the close from which some drew hope but the sense of an impending draw was beginning to settle on the place. Talk started to turn to how much the weather would impinge on the morrow and how many bowling points Somerset might winkle out of Surrey.

And the run out? A case of Burns head down running for the other end, Stoneman watching the ball as intently as the Umpires had done previously half starting for the run then stopping and going back. Burns meanwhile had hesitated, then responded as Stoneman started, and found himself stranded three quarters of the way up the pitch as Stoneman turned back. ‘Yes. No. Wait. Sorry.’ sprang to mind but I wondered if there had been a call at all it was such a mess. Burns bristled off to my eye like a toddler who had had his teddy bear confiscated, turning to look pointedly at Stoneman as he went. If there is any of the speculated dissension in the Somerset camp there was no sign of it in this innings. There may though have been some in the Surrey changing room when Stoneman got back to it.

And, finally, as the news of Middlesex’s defeat to Warwickshire came through during the day I wondered what odds could be got for a bet on Middlesex and Yorkshire to go down. Now that would be a thing.



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Grizzzly
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Grizzzly (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 15:17
Quote:
nelliec
It would be interesting to see how many grackles would consider gambling tomorrow and setting Surrey a target to chase ,assuming Surrey would agree to an arrangement. Personally I would be happy for them to declare overnight leaving 367 to chase in 100 overs possibly,gambling on some spin after lunch tomorrow.

Yes, I would go for that.

Grizzzly

 
Farmer White
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Farmer White (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 15:24
The side batting fourth almost invariably wins run chases at Taunton and when they don't they draw. Surrey are one of our distant competitiors for the drop. Being able to bat fourth is probably one of the reasons they put us in. You could connect all the barge poles in the wolrd together and I wouldn't use them to touch an offer like that.

 
Wickham
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Wickham (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 15:57
Another lovely report, JCW, which captures the day's play beautifully.

I would venture one correction to your third paragraph: the Archbishop was, in fact, the Pope. Whether or not he was Ollie Pope's father, I could not say. I believe that when he was elected Pope, a pair of bails was burned to produce white smoke - and we all know what became of the resultant ashes.

A more prosaic explanation is that a touring cricket team had decided (for the first time) to wear fancy dress (the theme being a Catholic cleric) for one day.

 
Grizzzly
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 15:58
Oh ye of little faith FW !

Would have thought we ought to be willing to back our spinners to get nine wickets on day four, whilst defending 367.

Grizzzly

 
Rod1883
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 16:18
10 wickets needed for a win surely?
I'm not sure we should go for it to be honest.
From all the reports, the pitch seems far too benign, and our attack weakened to pull it off, and the alternative result could be that we lose the five points for the draw.

 
Following on
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Following on (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 16:21
I doubt Surrey would be prepared to offer much in terms of a declaration game. Given the points difference between the teams, they have more to lose than gain.

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 16:43
I agree, FW, no to any gamble.

The pitch is too flat.

 
Mike BOS
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Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 17:33
Farmer White, a few photos to bring your article to life. [twitter.com]

Edit - We thought one of them was Sidebottom.



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MESSAGES->author
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Grockle (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 17:38
Absolutely no one on the player's balcony today... says so much about.... the fact it was piddling down with rain most of the morning. (TiC)



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Wickham
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Wickham (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 17:51
They were probably queueing for their fluorescent "I love Tom Abell" tee-shirts, which I assume that they will wear when undertaking a pitch invasion to mark his next half-century.

 
Bagpuss
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 18:26
Just goes to prove the poor relations between the players and the local waterfowl...

 
Grizzzly
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 18:50
Sorry Rod, yes, I meant ten wickets !

Grizzzly

 
wsm fan
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
wsm fan (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 18:56
180/7 by lunch.
250ao 50/3 by tea following on.
6pm 185ao.....

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 21:16
You've got them losing 19 wkts, whilst also scoring the best part of 370 runs in the day!

This would seem to imply that they'll make no attempt to shut up shop all day long..



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wsm fan
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
wsm fan (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 21:31
Why would they shut up shop?
Surrey will want batting points.
3.5 runs per over very likely at Taunton.
Plus i expect/hope we will have attacking feilds all day so we wont be fussed about saving runs.....

I admit my plan is rather on the optimistic side but you never know.....

8 wickets is our best hope i guess and limiting Surrey to as few batting points as possible could be very important come the end of September too.

 
Tom Seymour
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 22:08
Just got back to these shenanigans after a couple of days away.

Both WSM fan and Railboy implied that I told lies over there being no visible sign of Somerset players appearing on the balcony to applaud their captain’s 50.

Frankly I don’t give a tinker’s curse over what either of you or Maynard claim to have happened. I reported what I saw and as it is fact, and corroborated by others including the questioner at the Q & A, I stick by it. FACT.

I will not be so obnoxious or abusive as you, by referring to you as liars. What I would suggest is that you pay a visit to the County Championship sponsors at the earliest possible opportunity, as I am sure they will welcome you both with open arms. Not only are your statements crude and offensive, but they also border on the paranoid over my decision to post.

And Sandhills is another who falls into the same category IMO. He or she has shown their true colours on here before I seem to remember – a truly sad case.

So ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, if you do not like what you see before you, then you know what to do don’t you?

Press the Report button on the relevant post and see what happens. I will tell you – Nothing.

Send a PM to Grockle instead. .

PS – Thank you Farmer White for your balanced view on your observation.
As for Bagpuss’s superstition theory, well give me strength.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
Rod1883
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 22:54
Yes, there is the scenario that Surrey - needing batting points - go for it in the morning which gives us the opportunity to take some wickets and get 2 or 3 more points that way.
Whether they will blow it to the degree that a follow on happens, I doubt

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Grockle (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 23:15
I'm afraid Tom that whether you give a tinker's cuss or not, what you saw was NOT fact.

Your interpretation of what you saw was yours but there were a number of players in the dressing room and on the balcony when Tom made his half ton according to my investigations and other information presented to me via a Twitter request for information

I take Farmer's view of this. What you saw is based on where you were looking from and possibly what you were looking for.

Certain parts of the ground look at the Caddyshack at an angle and those at the door of the dressing room to the balcony are not as easy to discern from a stand that is also at an angle. If players are not at the front edge of the balcony they are not as easy to identify but they were there. I have talked to some who were there and who have named other players who were there becauase it was Tom's half ton.

That was the case.

I see that as a misinterpretation and not a 'lie' so I have discussed that with the posters who made that accusation. It was not what should have been said. They believe you have a second agenda but that is another issue between you and them.

However, as neither side made any official complaint regarding this exchange and I am not going to get involved in the different demands for me to take action unless I decide one party is obviously in the wrong or am actually asked to make a decision I will not get involved.

You can be as obnoxious as other posters and have denigrated one person (Sandhills) who did not accuse you of 'lying' yesterday on the above post where you complain about how badly YOUR character has been defamed. So you do not see this as wrong yourself, which makes complaining about it when it happens the other way around a little pointless

6 of one half a dozen of another. Telling others what to do if they don't like it Tom is also pointless. The only one you have to worry about is me and whether I like it. In this case I see everyone as bad as each other but some of that has been put down to your more continual activity.

I'll keep any eye on things. Please all keep yourselves in check. If you see something you don't like and want moderation then please OFFICIALLY complain about it rather than getting into a 'mine's bigger than yours' confrontation on the public forum. If not keep it related to the cricket or it'll go.

Other than that please play nicely children. Any further discussion on this will be done off the site via PM or it will go without notification. We have a Day 4 to deal with not something quite minimal disagreed about 2 days ago.

Thanks



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wsm fan
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
wsm fan (IP Logged)
09/08/2017 23:17
Fine by me grockle!
Suns out tomorrow, lets get amongst them.....



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Farmer White
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Farmer White (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 00:56
Grizzzly

2008: Somerset set Hants 422 off 82 (not an agreed target I imagine) and Hants finished on 198-1.

2008: Somerset set Durham 282 off 52 (I doubt that was an agreed target either) and Durham finished on 113-4.

2009: Yorkshire set Somerset 475 off 90 (I doubt that was agreed but it might have been) Somerset won by 4 wickets with 4 overs to spare.

2010: Yorkshire set Somerset 362 off 71 by agreement. Somerset won by 6 wickets with 5 overs to spare.

2011: Not on a declaration but I couldn’t resist putting it in: Somerset needed 228 to beat Yorkshire. Won by 10 wickets.

2015: Sussex set Somerset 425 to win (I doubt by agreement). Somerset batted out to 208-6 in the 67th.

2016: Somerset set Middlesex 302 off 46 (who knows if by agreement but I doubt it as Somerset were 9 down when they declared. Middlesex won by 2 wickets.

In 2015 Somerset bowled Notts out for 190 in the third innings of the match and won with 402-8.

And that's about it and in recent times the Taunton pitch has almost always flattened on the fourth day.

There are a couple of instances of a side being bowled out after a declaration but they were against huge targets. Notts lost to Somerset in 2016 having been set 541. In 2014 Warwickshire set Somerset 404 and won but the 404 was the highest score of the match and nearly 150 more than Somerset scored in their first innings.

So in ten seasons only one certain agreed declaration target at Taunton, Yorkshire in 2010 and I can assure you the Yorkshire members present were apoplectic with rage at their captain.

There have been quite a number of sides bowled out in the fourth innings at Taunton but they have not been against declarations and have been in middling scoring games. Perhaps we should find out how those pitches were prepared.

We do have two good spinners but even so the evidence is weighted pretty heavily against them I think. A draw keeps us in with a chance. A defeat would take Surrey a long way above us. Let’s play this one long.

So I hope you see why I don’t want any deals. I certainly wouldn’t bet on a Somerset win if there was a deal. It would be safer to bet on Gareth Batty being voted player of the year in a Grockles poll. Now there’s a hostage to fortune. (Not the Batty bet. The other one.)

Farmer

 
Farmer White
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Farmer White (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 01:02
Thank you Wickham for your kind words and to you Rod for yours yesterday on my match reports - or was it the day before now. Much appreciated.

Wickham I wish you had told me the Pope was at the match. I have never met him.

Farmer

 
Grizzzly
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 03:31
Cogent argument and details FW & I certainly can't argue with the facts as presented.

However, we are approx. 30 points at least from safety in the table & there are only five games to go (including Essex away) after this one . Add to that the continuing fickle weather.

So, it seems to me that if we want to stay up, we are going to have to take risks somewhere along the way.

Granted the Taunton pitch flattens out, but if Surrey accepted a target of 367 & we then get them 2 or 3 down before lunch, anything can happen. If not, then we would have to try to adapt a containing strategy. Not easy of course & not without risk, but surely better to try to avoid relegation by being bold & strident in an attempt to beat one of our likely key rivals in the exercise, rather than the alternative of limping down to the bottom tier through a series of tame draws.

The above being said, my expectation is that everyone will settle for a quiet day.

All good fun to debate !

Grizzzly

 
Somerset LaLaLa
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 07:23
I'm rather looking for a repeat of the 2006 Gloucestershire game where the visitors were bowled out twice in a day needing to follow on.

Somerset 409; Gloucs 161 and 172

Apparently, they were only 1 wicket down at 12.30pm. I did have to look this one up but no doubt someone remembers it

 
Wickham
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Wickham (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 08:10
JCW: I don't know which of you is the more disappointed - the Pope told me that he regretted that he had never been granted an audience with Farmer White.

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 08:16
And not only that FW but Notts were relegated, demoralised and had clearly given up - so I'd be inclined to discount that one.

If we were in Surrey's position I don't think we'd throw caution to the wind in pursuit of batting points. With Burns gone, the rest are naturally free-scoring anyway. Bat normally for 60 overs and they'll probably have the 280 ish they need after 85 overs. THEN they might accelerate for the remaining 120 from 25 overs but all hopes (which are very remote anyway on this pitch) of a SCCC win will evaporate the moment they save the follow-on anyway.

I loathe all this rain - it will make it that much harder for Simon Lee and team to produce dry tracks for the final two games. Track might turn early through damp but we'd be the ones batting if track starts damp.

Bad weather and the LG and JO injuries seem to be conspiring against us over the final stretch, though we have only ourselves to blame for the results in the first 9 games.

 
Mike BOS
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 08:22
We didn't have a lot of time watching the spinners two day's ago but I remember Jack beating the bat more than once, Dom didn't bowl as many overs so was hard to judge if he was going to be good on this pitch.

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 08:27
It may turn, through damp, today, Mike, I would have thought.

But it was reported as being slow earlier and, one imagines, yesterday will have made it slower still. So there may be both seam and turn today, particularly in the first session, but competent professionals can usually navigate that if the ball deviates only very slowly.

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 08:29
Oh for the days of uncovered pitches - for they'd have zero chance vs Jack and Dom on a 'Sticky Dog,'....

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Grockle (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 08:37
There were over 10 areas around the outfield from the covers spreading out to the boundary where we had surface water yesterday. They'll have been working on it and Taunton genetally dries quickly but don't expect the outfield to be lightening quick.

The pitch was covered the whole of yesterday ( at least tp 5/6 but it cleared up later. However I doubt they gambled over night.



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Mike BOS
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 08:46
The covers are off and the outfield is being cut.

The outfield was cut very short on the first day, it was cut so short the line where the drainage pipes were installed reappeared.

 
Farmer White
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Farmer White (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 09:27
Somerset lalala

There is a slightly more recent similar example to yours from 2010

Somerset scored 517 and at the end of the second day Notts were 278 for 5. 239 behind. After 76 overs of the third day Notts had been bowled out for 339 and 190 and Somerset won by 10 wickets. Willoughby the destroyer in the first innings with 6 and Thomas in the second with 5. In the match Suppiah took 1 and Kartik 3.

Grizzzly

Don’t start me on a debate. We could be here some time! And I am going to put my neck right on the line here.

Most successful risk taking is calculated risk taking. Here I don’t think the calculations give us enough of a chance especially as defeat would really make things hard. There are routes to salvation following a draw. Far less following a defeat.

At the moment Surrey cannot win this match. If we do a deal they can. So much of cricket is played in the head. Giving them a chance risks giving them unexpected hope they do not currently have. That could fire them up. Giving them no chance means there is a possibility, though a relatively small one given what is known about fourth day Taunton pitches, that they might feel some pressure if Somerset knocked two or three over in the first hour. We do have two spinners who could then apply pressure.

The draw is very heavily odds on but I think given the history and the psychology of cricket we actually have a better chance today of taking 19 wickets than we do of taking 10.

Unless of course the deal is Surrey chase to the end come what may for that would apply the pressure evenly to both sides and is probably the only way of giving both sides an even chance on a fourth day Taunton pitch. But that would open up a whole other argument…

Mike

At Taunton the outfield is cut daily in a match to keep conditions as even as possible throughout.

 
Mike BOS
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 09:38
My point was after Grockle mentioned the pools of water yesterday that it is dry enough to mow the outfield this morning.

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 09:47
Yes, a good sign.

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 09:52
Farmer White, one possible consideration, of course, with the track at Taunton is this:

The track often seems to flatten out on the final day of a four day game.

But does this happen simply because it's day four, i.e that some 72 hours have elapsed since a match has started, or does it happen because there has been a certain amount of cricket played on the track? In other words, if there have only been about 130 overs or so bowled on the track by the start of day four, should we expect the track to behave as it would if 288 overs had been bowled on it?

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you about the wisdom, or lack thereof, of any kind of contrivance today, but I just thought I'd put that out there as a question - is it the number that appears on the scorecard after the word 'day,' that tends to dictate how the track will play on the final day, or the number of overs bowled on the track before the final day starts?

 
sandhills
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
sandhills (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 10:26
This pitch in terms of days is starting its 5th day at least. It was used in the T20 on Sunday, however it was not anywhere near new on Sunday!

 
geordie moonraker
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 10:30
That's a very valid point AG. We need them to be 5 down at lunch to be in with a shout.Once they get to 286 that is it, so it's another 220. At 3.6 that is 60 overs., so tea time.If 5 go down by lunch in 34, then we are on top. I still think it will be a draw, but every bowling point is vital.

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 10:37
An interesting point-

Is a pitch a 'five day pitch' because it made its debut on Sunday- or, in terms of how much use it has had, is it effectively only a three day pitch?

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 10:53
In some respects (the footholes) the amount of wear and tear on the surface *must* play a part.

In other respects such as (perhaps) the evaporation of moisture from the surface, it may not play much of a part?

That being said, I don't really understand why these current SCCC pitches seem to behave in this way. We start them dry, and they spin from early in proceedings and then, somehow, they tend to spin less as the match moves on............ is there a certain level of dryness beyond which the track (instead of turning more as one would expect if dryness causes turn) simply ceases to do anything? Does a certain amount of moisture get into the track from the air over the course of the first three days so that the track is then left in a "neutral," state (neither dry nor damp) by the start of day four? (dryness and dampness both being known as things that promote turn)

On balance, the latter explanation might appear to make the most sense? In which case the degree of humidity over the first three days (particularly the parts where the track is in use and thus uncovered) might be the key as to whether, and to what extent, everything dies on day four?

I'd absolutely love to hear from Simon Lee or someone who knows (or has a strong hunch) about what causes day four deaths at Taunton.



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AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 11:25
Come on, Dom............

 
Rod1883
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 11:39
Well done Dom.
Just need to stop Roy running away with the scoring next

 
Bagpuss
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 11:41
Not sure about the humidity argument AG, as this doesn't seem to happen elsewhere eg Old Trafford, nor other countries such as India and Sri Lanka.

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 11:58
But it may relate to the particular composition of the soil at Taunton and the effect that humidity has on it, or something like that?

Anyway, it certainly seems as dead as a door nail today.

So I'm not at all sure that we'll manage many bowling bonus points here.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Grockle (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 11:59
Bloody cold out of the sun here this morning. It's not looking hugely hopeful here this morning though it has looked a little better now we have the two spinners on. Seems we may see Eddie Byrom leg spin today as well!!



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MESSAGES->author
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Grockle (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 12:04
Jack gets us one.



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MESSAGES->author
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Grockle (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 12:07
Dom Adds another.



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Wickham
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Wickham (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 12:18
I'm following Cricinfo on the train and am wondering how these wickets have come about - for example, have the Surrey batsmen been holing out to extra-cover or mid-wicket?

 
sandhills
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
sandhills (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 12:18
FYI The vast majority of wickets comprise copious qtys of loam, normally surrey loam spread in early October after scarifying all the grass from the wicket. Good groundsman wiil take Soil samples that regularly show 20 layers of loam I.e 20 years worth. I believe taunton over the years have used surrey mainly with some strips using other varieties to see what happens.

Thetefore the only real difference is watering weather and drainage when comparing taunton to lords or old trafford

 
Following on
Surrey Week Part 2
Following on (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 12:25
Wickman the Tom Abell catches are at short cover.

The main site has a match centre feature - video footage of the wickets is posted there.

 
Wickham
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Wickham (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 12:29
Many thanks, Following on - I had forgotten about the Match Centre.

 
geordie moonraker
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 12:53
Well that's the 5 down before lunch.Still remote but still possible.

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 13:01
At least we're on track, bonus points wise, which is important.

And nothing that has happened in this match will have diminished the collective confidence of the team.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Grockle (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 13:15
They've tried smacking them out of the attack and failed. Need to get this first lot out before 286 or this is still over. Need to say goodbye to Finch. Craig bowling well. So 104 plays 5 wickets in the first half of the afternoon.



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AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 13:25
Craig has been in superb form of late, he really has. Ever since Scarborough, then carried through much of the T20.

If we're going to get out of dodge (season wise, I mean), then I think he will probably be the pivotal man, given that we cannot expect much help for our spinners on our travels, I wouldn't have thought.

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 13:37
Cove reversing the ball according to the Beeb guy from Surrey.

Plenty of praise for our spinners from that guy.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Grockle (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 13:46
Mark Church is the man it seems. Likes our attack a lot.



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AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 14:20
Thanks, Dom.

And timely switch, Tom.

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 14:32
Sounds like another excellent bowling performance today.

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 14:57
And there is powerful evidence of exactly why this club may well want to involve Dom in all forms of cricket and, thus, why Max may become surplus to requirements.

 
Nailsea_Fizz
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 15:23
Indeed, Mr Bess would appear to offer more all round than Max. Great performance from Mr Bess again.

Who would have thought that the club may have better knowledge on the all round performances of it's own players when making decisions on contract's for the upcoming seasons than members of a supporters forum.

 
Rod1883
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 15:30
Just a handful of runs away from avoiding the follow on now.
I imagine they'll hit out once that milestone is passed to try to get another batting point or two within the 110 overs.



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MESSAGES->author
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Grockle (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 15:37
Someone was asking whether there was a spinner who had a better start to their first class season than Dom Bess.

Funnily enough Nick Cook was the only one that people could come up with and he has been talking quite a lot with Dom during this game.

Cook it seems too 4 fiver-fers in his first four tests and almost nothing else in his next 9

Tea at 284 for 7. Clarke 31 looking like he is having a good time.



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mikeindex
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
mikeindex (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 16:14
Maximum bowling points, well done boys.

 
Rod1883
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 16:14
306-9, come on lads deny them another batting point

 
Rod1883
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 16:24
Come on Tom, let Dom have a go for his 5fer

 
geordie moonraker
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 16:36
I don't think we could have asked for much more when 150 overs were lost to rain. A good solid performance.

 
Rod1883
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 16:42
Agreed GM.
I would like us to deny a rival one batting point as well please

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 16:58
From a points stand-point, game went as well as it could have done given time lost and slowness of pitch.

From an individual stand-point, we have six who can probably be very pleased with their performances in this match (four bowlers) and another, Eddie B, who can be quite satisfied as well.

Very hard to see any case for picking Allenby for the next one, to be honest. He's made about 30 runs and taken no wickets in these two recent CC matches.

Unfortunately, the Lewis injury leaves us with an issue viz balance of the side. Can Peter Trego do enough to force his way back in*? Doubtful I'd suggest given the sum total of his CC1 bowling efforts over the previous 1.5 seasons. We may need to turn to the Meerkat and gamble on less batting (as we need wins rather than draws anyway) or, else, I suppose fetch Josh Davey back in or go young if either Green or Sale are currently fit.

* Although if Peter could make a really big score in the home seconds game vs Essex, then it's possible that Tom might revert to three, with Rouse dropping out, and Peter could then fit back in at number six, I suppose. If Mr Zaman is available then I assume that he might be asked to bat three or that Eddie might drop down to that spot? It would seem harsh to leave Eddie out?

Team selection getting very important at this business end of the season with zero room for any errors..

 
Rod1883
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 16:58
Bess 5fer!
...and they don't get that batting point.

Well done lads



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AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 17:01
If we're picking only one spinner at Chelmsford, then will Dom put pressure on Leachy's spot? Better fielding, more aggressive batting. On the other hand, not sure if Essex have any LHBs in their top six? SLA usually the better bat vs RHBs

It is, presumably, too much to hope for that Essex might produce anything that might assist the spinners? Although, having said that, they do have Simon Harmer who has been one of the success stories of the season, so maybe I'm wrong about that.

If it's a marginal call as to whether we should play two spinners, we should surely gamble and do it and play both Leachy and Dom?

I wouldn't like to have to make the call if we can only find room for one spinner, though.

 
Following on
Surrey Week Part 2
Following on (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 17:05
Other than some rather questionable weather a cracking game from a Somerset point of view!

Onwards and upwards

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Grockle (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 17:05
A nice little end to the game as our young spinner gets a 5-fer while having the number eleven stumped 5 short of the batting point with the Surrey captain at the other end.

There are worse ways to end an afternoon at the cricket.



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Grizzzly
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 17:06
Well done Dom. To score a fifty & get five wickets is a memorable achievement.

So, 23 points behind M'sex, 28 behind Surrey & 29 behind Yorks (who have played one more game).

We have a lot of work to do of we are to remain in Div. 1.....

Grizzzly

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 17:12
Indeed we do.

Those immediately above us are all playing each other and two of them still have to play us.

However, I'll stick my neck out now and say that, unless Surrey are somehow behind us by the time we go to the Oval, then that will be a dull draw on a flat, boring track (like most at the Oval)

Which would leave us needing to win at least the two home games, if not also the one at Chelmsford.

I assume Surrey are due to get Sanga back by the time the CC resumes? Or maybe he'll miss one more game in that T20 nonsense? In which case, they will probably secure enough high-scoring draws to keep themselves safe.

Yorkshire and Middx arguably look more vulnerable from the point of view of possibly being short of batting (thanks to two injuries in Middx's case and possible Malan selection with England) though both would seem to have bowling attacks more capable of winning matches than what Surrey have.

We need to do our stuff, and then we need one of the above mentioned three to have an absolute 'mare between now and the end of the season - to get thrashed regularly.

What we don't need is for them all to beat each other e.g. Surrey to beat Middx, but Middx to beat Yorkshire and Yorkshire to beat Surrey -- that sort of combination of results would almost certainly send us down.

So, pick one of these three and root against them heavily from here on in...

 
Rod1883
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 17:18
It's going to be tough to stay up.
In the next round of games, starting 28th Aug, we're away at Essex(!), Surrey play Middx at the Oval, and Warwickshire are at Old Trafford playing Lancs.

IF we can get something- even a good points haul from a draw - at Chelmsford, and Middx (probably preferably) lose as do Warwickshire, then we're still in touch....

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 17:24
Must be an excellent chance of a rain-ruined draw at OT which would stop Warks gaining more momentum before we travel to Edgbaston to play them.

Oval and Chelmsford obviously likely to have very similar weather so Warks may be hoping for the relatively unusual weather pattern of a dry NW and pouring SE.

Of those three fixtures, one would think that our game at Chelmsford would be the most likely one to give a winner, given boring pitch at Oval (and sheer percentage of Surrey home games that end in draws) and habitually poor weather at OT.

 
Mike BOS
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 17:57
That was the best we could have hope for.

Tom Abell once again did everything correctly, field placing and bowling changes.

I did see Marcus talk to Tom and then Tom talked to Craig O just they took the new ball.

 
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Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Grockle (IP Logged)
10/08/2017 19:20
If it wasn't tough to stay up it wouldn't be worth the effort. We have to do what we have to do. If we can't then we aren't good enough and will have to come back another way when we are.



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Farmer White
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Farmer White (IP Logged)
11/08/2017 00:49
Yesterday was a glorious day at the cricket. The sun shone all day and it was warm if you put yourself in its way. Cooler at the top of the Somerset Pavilion but still comfortable enough. I could see that the Quantocks, the Blackdowns and The Brendons had all reported for duty. Rain but an irritating memory. And there was the joy of watching a day of Championship cricket this season in a match which you knew Somerset could not lose. It was almost soporific but not quite for this was Somerset we were watching. The pitch was steadfastly unhelpful to the ball all day except possibly once or twice in the morning.

As I came past the end of Gimblett’s Hill on my way to the Somerset Pavilion, going in the other direction were three men pushing a huge pallet of cider. A harbinger of the T20 weekend to come even as the last day of this Championship match still held sway.

The ball was busy as we started, flying off the middle of the bat, Stoneman. driving and cutting as if he had something to celebrate. If being Alistair Cook’s twelfth disciple in the England opening partnership is something to celebrate. It has not much profited any of the other eleven. And the prelates’ convention of the second day was not in attendance to bless him either.

It was just beginning to look as if Somerset might need divine intervention to take a wicket when the Captain produced a divine intervention of his own. He put himself at short cover and Dom Bess on at the Somerset Pavilion End to bowl in the off spinning allrounder footsteps of Vic Marks. Although from recollection Marks preferred the River End. Borthwick promptly checked a shot, hit Bess straight towards Abell, the carry of the ball started to die, Abell dived full length and Borthwick looked to the heavens.

Jason Roy marched to the wicket. Abell put Jack Leach on at the River End. The man next to me said, “Roy won’t be able to hold back for long.” He didn’t for soon he had driven Bess into the Somerset Pavilion and followed up with one into the Ondatjee Stand. “He won’t last long,” said the man next to me, “One-day players never do in the Championship.” That man must have the ear of the gods for one from Leach seemed to hold up just slightly off the pitch and Roy popped it straight to Abell perfectly positioned for it at short cover. Next ball Leach would have removed Finch’s fourth stump if he had had one.

No need to bother with divine intervention if you have Tom Abell as captain for before we knew it Stoneman ended his celebration by popping Bess to him at short cover. That one looked like it might possibly have held up as well. 138-4 and an unlikely holy trinity of short cover catches. It was the last help Somerset got from the pitch. Soon Surrey were making headway towards the 287 they needed to avoid the follow on and remove any chimera of the prospect of a Somerset victory by an innings. No-one seriously expected such a miracle but in cricket it is impossible to completely silence that spirit deep within that dreams. It is one of the things that keeps us at the ground on days such as this.

The man next to me said, “He’ll put Overton on.” Abell promptly did just that and from nowhere Overton produced a ball to Foakes that took the edge and Steven Davies, rock still, took the catch. I was beginning to wonder just who the man next to me was. Surrey lunched at 183-5. A wicket short I thought for even that spirit deep within to believe. Abell’s bowling changes and field placements though had seemed inspired, almost Brearleyesque. Where was he getting his inspiration from I wondered? I looked at the man next to me again but no it wasn’t.

At lunch Dean Elgar had a net in front of the Somerset Stand ahead of the T20 weekend. A force from the first half of the season who had stood firm when all about were falling short. At least he was seeing a vision of what Somerset can do when they get their act together and it had been together in this match.

The half an hour after lunch started to put things into perspective. Finch seemed comfortable enough. Sam Curran didn’t but neither did he look like getting out. The score passed 200 and Surrey were in bonus points land. That was the tussle now. Bonus points. It always had been in reality but it does no harm to dream provided you don’t get too carried away.

It was Finch that got carried away. He tried to scoop Bess. He succeeded but only to the extent of popping it straight above Trescothick’s head at short leg. “See.” said the man next to me. “One-day players can’t play this.” The gods were certainly with Bess today. He didn’t need them though to remove Sam Curran. He just held on to a ferocious return drive as it whizzed past his ear.

243-7. On this pitch this was a tremendous effort from Somerset but too much time had been lost for dreams to be realised. Surrey edged towards the follow-on figure with a growing inevitability. The edge though had not gone out of the game as it usually would on such an afternoon for bonus points were still to be had. It may have gone for the man in front of me though for he pointed out a goods train grudgingly pulling out of Taunton Station. Pulled by a Class 70 locomotive apparently, or so he said.

Clarke and Tom Curran eventually pulled Surrey past the follow-on figure 7 down. Groenewald, persevering as ever whatever the state of the game, promptly had Clarke caught behind. 291-8. One more wicket and Somerset would have maximum bonus points for the first time this season. In football parlance that would be a ‘result’ in this match.

Achilles needed the assistance of the gods who handed him a spear to defeat Hector. Abell landed the final Somerset bonus point through his own powers. A phenomenally powerful spear-like throw to break the stumps with Tom Curran hurtling towards the crease but short. Tom Abell had had quite a match. 96 under extreme personal pressure and with the Somerset batting starting to look frail. Three catches in the key fielding position at the start of the Surrey innings and a run out of perfection. One swallow does not a summer make but he could barely have had a better return.

And yet this draw was not dead. Surrey nine down started to revive and still had a bonus point to get. Batty and Meaker started to go at the four an over needed for Surrey’s fourth batting point. They nearly made it to the growing cheers of a small group of Surrey supporters in the Somerset Stand. That they didn’t was down to perhaps the perfect combination to finish off this innings: Stumped Davies bowled Bess. And what a lightning stumping it was. The bails were off before Meaker could react. The gods in all their powers could not have done it better. And for Bess: 55 runs and 5 wickets in the two innings of the match. Vic Marks might not have done it better. A star may be rising in the west for this was not one of those spin friendly pitches on which he has taken his previous five wicket hauls.

In comparison with what had gone before this season, Lords and Scarborough apart, this match has been heavenly. Abell back to form and right on top of the captaincy as far as can be seen from beyond the boundary. Stephen Davies with an innings of true class. Dom Bess belying his years with an innings and bowling of real maturity. And Surrey outplayed in all departments. To stay in the First Division Somerset will have to play as well again and again for the rest of the season and hope the weather does not intervene as it has in this match but the route to salvation is no longer restricted to a prayer.



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Rod1883
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
11/08/2017 07:48
Wonderful again FW. Helps all of us that can't be/aren't there and rely on BBC/Cricinfo on match days.

When I said "It's going to be tough to stay up" Grockle - I meant from the situation we are in here/now. I appreciate staying in the top flight of any sport needs to be tough, but I meant in the context of where we are and the fixtures we and others in the mix have to come.

 
Mike BOS
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
11/08/2017 08:55
Yes a very enjoyable day.

Sometimes something happens when watching cricket that make you smile, sat on my usual perch on the Gimblett's Hill there was a Surrey supporter in a green top continually talking on the front row. We all talk while watching cricket but he was talking loud all the time, although he was about ten people away from me I could hear him easily talking about bad service and closing at 4 o/clock.

Almost everybody at the ground was watching Surrey approaching the follow-on score and when they did past 287 almost everybody at the ground including Somerset supporters applauded their effort.

All accept this Surrey supporter in the green top, he couldn't understand why people were clapping, he kept looking at the scoreboard over and over again trying to workout why people were clapping, I guess the chap next to him may have told him in the end.

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
11/08/2017 10:06
For once a few possibly nice words for "G-String," Batty as he is, ludicrously, known to his team-mates.

As per Matthew he spent an hour talking to Dom about spin bowling.

Assuming that he confined himself to talking only about bowling (as opposed to, say trying to verbally and physically intimidate opposing players) then this is to be welcomed and well done to Mr Batty for being generous with his time.

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
11/08/2017 10:13
I think it's a widely-held belief that Batty is actually a pretty good guy and popular on the circuit. It seems that (much like me on the golf course or others behind the wheel), he has a character change on the field of play and his will to win can override all else. I believe he/Surrey were wrong in the Barrow/Kartik incident, but I have character flaws too, and am not going to deride him too much.

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11/08/2017 10:24
Sky always seem to go out of their way to say how nice Batty is.

I prefer to judge based on evidence I've seen.

Surrey as a whole do seem to have reduced their ridiculous over the top celebrations in televised matches recently- maybe as a result of the comparatively mild mannered Rabada getting a one match test ban for not very much at all.

Maybe it made them think.

 
Mike BOS
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
11/08/2017 11:11
Actually Chunky you made me think, in this match Surrey were quite good with their appealing, I don't think it was more than once I thought 'shut-up' with their appealing.

 
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Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Grockle (IP Logged)
11/08/2017 11:57
Dom also spent quite a lot of time on the pitch chatting to Nick Cook at square leg as well. Sounds like spinners saw something to talk about with this young man.



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AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
11/08/2017 13:48
Mike - WSM did mention a tantrum from Batty in the T20 match which immediately preceded the CC game, so perhaps he/they got it all out of his/their system (s) then.

Chunky - Indeed, there's no evidence - from having seen him operate on the pitch - that he is a "nice guy," but perhaps it is true that he's a decent bloke off the pitch which is, of course, something that we would never see.

Anyway, if he is prepared to give his time to young players that do not play for his side, then that is to his credit.

 
Somerset LaLaLa
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
11/08/2017 16:35
Batty is clearly passionate and opinionated, ask Peter Trego. I liked the way Batty spoke out in favour of Jack earlier in the season on the way he had been treated by England. Batty has plenty of views on the quality of English spin bowling and it's great to hear he spent some time with Dom. A bit of a marmite character but I love the stuff.



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Rod1883
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
11/08/2017 16:49
I know who's reports I would rather read!
The BBC site report makes what was an intriguing day sound incredibly dull - and he can't get our next fixture right either!
[www.bbc.co.uk]

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
11/08/2017 23:00
I've probably made my final (and second) visit to Taunton for the summer and my hopes of watching a four-day match were somewhat dashed, firstly by the elements and then by a family illness (nothing too serious) that meant that I missed the fourth day. No complaints from me, for I thoroughly enjoyed my two days (four sessions really) on Gimblett's Hill in the company of the usual good and cheerful friends. And the cricket wasn't at all bad either.

We started with a lovely (and not atypical) cameo from Trescothick and an increasingly attractive innings by Byrom, my first sight of him, perhaps destined to be the true heir of the Marquis of Keynsham. Then the afternoon session on Monday was probably as good as any I've seen for a long time, reminding one just how beautiful our beloved game can be when two of the country's finest stylists are batting together. One wonders if there are two more elegant batsmen in the county game than Abell and Davies, who chose this session to remind us of the old adage about temporary form and permanent class. Then on Tuesday came the precociously gifted Bess demonstrating what an extraordinarily talented young man he is. And how many people remembered that it was Groenewald and Leach, the architects of that brilliant last wicket stand, who, batting together, achieved that remarkable victory against the same opponents last year. (I bet the Surrey players did).

Tuesday's enjoyment was enhanced by the presence of that college of clergy, a most witty and amiable bunch, though I would question their capacity to pray effectively for a dry Wednesday. Despite all that I enjoyed, Tuesday was a day of three major disappointments. The obvious one was Abell's dismissal on 96. I saw his debut innings against Warwickshire, described by one of the umpires as the best debut innings he had ever seen. On that occasion he made 95; on Tuesday he made one more and I am hoping his scores in my presence will not rise by just a single each time, for he is capable of much higher things. One of our contributors remarked that Abell has "turned the corner" as far as his form is concerned. That is not in dispute, though one corner he perhaps should no longer turn is the one behind him on the leg side. His departure was the first of the disappointments; the second was the lack of the usually superb ice cream from the kiosk under the Somerset Stand - I had travelled all the way from London for my annual cornet. Some may find reason to blame people within the club for both those disappointments, but SCCC cannot be responsible for the extremely poor quality of the post-match pint in the Plough, normally an outlet for the finest ales. It was by far the worst pint I have drunk this year, not of course that I have had ... "stop kidding yourself" (Ed).

There was obviously much to be pleased about as far as Day Four was concerned and I feel that the determination of our much maligned side is not to be questioned.

And I am very grateful to Farnmer White and others for reporting so colourfully on the cricket that I did and did not see.



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AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
11/08/2017 23:43
Although I've disputed in the past, I think I'm coming round to the notion that Mr Abell seems to be disproportionately susceptible to being strangled down the leg-side.

What I don't know, however, is how many runs he makes through the leg-glance? One needs to know that in order to have a sensible opinion viz risk vs reward ratio..

 
Wickham
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Wickham (IP Logged)
12/08/2017 07:43
Not many runs, AG - certainly, nothing like 30 runs per leg-side strangle. (I think you can take it that those of us who have commented previously that it an unproductive shot would have taken account of reward versus risk.)

 
Nailsea_Fizz
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
12/08/2017 08:31
I assume, Wickham, you have completed a full and comprehensive statistical analysis and will be publishing it in due course.

 
Wickham
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Wickham (IP Logged)
12/08/2017 08:50
You know me too well, NF - except that while, naturally, I have carried out a full statistical analysis, regretfully I can't publish the results (because of client confidentiality).

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
12/08/2017 09:00
It's such an instinctive shot for most batsmen though, Wickham. Many aren't good enough to get anything on those balls down the leg-side though I have never understood why - for my rubbish batting that was the easy bit, hitting anything down leg through the onside!

I would think it harder to cut out that shot than to cut out loose wafts outside of off-stick.

 
Bobstan
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Bobstan (IP Logged)
12/08/2017 09:07
I went six days without reading this august (and currently August) site, and remarkably I seem to have survived this deprivation.

Important matters need to be dealt with: the Pope is definitely English, so now there have been two English Popes, the first being Adrian IV. I think we should perhaps have tried to rehash our cup final chant - let's say 'I'd rather watch Steve Davies than the Pope ' ad inf.

This was surely one of the most interesting rain-ruined matches any of us can recall. So many tactical conundra, so many fine individual performances in the service of the team.

I even enjoyed Wet Wednesday, using my ancient person's bus pass to go to Wells, a place I have not visited in many years. For exiles such as myself coming south-west for a match is so much more than just the cricket; it's a return to roots.

The company wasn't too bad either!

 
Clarence Parker
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
12/08/2017 10:10
That is an interesting point that you made, AGod, but as has already been suggested the number of dismissals of Tom Abell as a result of that shot, outweigh the benefits from the number of runs that he has scored from it.

Compare with the late Peter Denning, the butcher's son from the Mendips, who scored a large percentage of his runs square of the wicket on the off side. He played what was referred to as the 'Chewton Mendip Chop' but it led to his dismissal many times.

In his case I think that it would be fair to say that one of his great strengths when batting, was also a weakness.

Of Tom Abell, I do not think that could be said.

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
12/08/2017 10:19
Hildreth the same, really - square of the wicket on the off-side both a strength and weakness.

In general, onside play is a key strength of Tom A, IMO, but maybe not that shot.

I suspect that the angle may be important.. that when the bowler goes slightly wide and angles the ball in, TA might be more likely to get it wrong.

Certainly, I don't think we can expect him to refrain from the leg glance vs balls that would otherwise hit his pad (regardless of pitching outside leg and/or missing the stumps) but perhaps he needs to think twice about playing 'away from his body,' on the onside ?

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
12/08/2017 10:59
Hey, he got 96! Let's be happy about that, and let the experts worry about the batting technique.

 
AGod
Re: Surrey Week Part 2
AGod (IP Logged)
12/08/2017 11:23
But preferably not ones based Down Under that are outside of the aegis of the club....

 
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Re: Surrey Week Part 2
Grockle (IP Logged)
12/08/2017 13:30
Well he said he'd gone back to a more basic technique which is always a good move if you ask me. His on side plsy was delightful on Day 1 so there was a lot of good stuff to watch.



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