Somerset
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Skipper Elect
By Grockle
September 21 2011
Something special in India beckons if Somerset can get past the Kolkota Night Riders this evening after putting Auckland away yesterday by 5 wickets. The young guys turn out again tonight against Brett Lee and co with a bigger prize within their reach if they can win. Big noise and big ask but what a coup if they can do it with half their batting power missing.
v Kolkota Knight Riders CLT20 Qualifier @ Hydrabad Wednesday 21 September 2011
Somerset go in with the same side that took on and beat Auckland Aces here yesterday.
Jones, Trego, van der Merwe, Hildreth, Suppiah, Compton, Snell, Gregory, Kartik, Thomas, Waller,
Chris Jones and Peter Trego open the batting as we take first knock after winning the toss. The score moves at a pace and we have 21 in the third over in the cauldron that is the Rajiv Gandhi International Stadium in Uppal in Hydrabad...seem to be a LOT of Kolkota fans...can't see that many of the Somerset faithful in there!! I doubt the cider is particularly good anyway
Jones looks to cut the first ball from Lee's second over and although it should have screamed to the boundary it is really wide and he only manages to get a top edge to it and is on his way for 14 off 10 balls. Confident start but just not long enough as we are 27 for 1. In comes Reolof A man who only seems to know how to attack and does so with gusto from ball one! The Somerset tactic seems to be "run if you hit it" and it seems to work as they pass 50 in the 7th and are 65 for 1 as we come into the 10th. Pete is playing that beligerant innings we always like to see and most of the shots are coming off as he and his SA partner put together a very decent partnership moving into the 70's off Yusuf who is simply bowling too short and is finished off by a huge six from Pete to take the home county to 82 for 1 after 10.
Jacques Kallis does not look too happy as the Pete and Reolof show continues at a pace with 89 to their names after 11. This is 99 after 12 with RvdM quickly catching up (40)with his partner who has moved to 46. But that is aas far as the returning man gets as he fires the first ball of the 13th straight into the hands of the mid off fielder and we are 99 for 2. 40 off 24 with 4 fours and a six is not exactly shabby though and gives a base for James Hildreth to build on if his form has found any kind of level after a decent knock of 34 in a tense situation yesterday with Snelly. He takes a single to put three figures on the board for his side.
I dash out to have dinner (it's 7:15 here) and when I return we've been pegged back a little and James is just leaving the field with 13 off 12 and we are 125 for 3 in the 16th. Pete has passed the 50 mark at well above a run a ball and is joined by Nick who immediately survives a run out scare...just to keep eople's feet on the ground. The KKR 'miked up man' said they hoped to keep Somerset down to 140. Well they are 136 halfway through the 17th so that doesn't look all that likely but how far over that they can get is anyone's guess.
Kallis is bowling to the man from Weston and Trigger is keeping the scoreboard ticking. Lee will take the 18th and Compo chips him for 6 off his first and it is the same man who brings up the 150 with anohter boundary. The young UnadKat takes the 19th and Compo puts him to the sword but two balls from the end of the over Nick ids run out looking for one too many but his contribution has been quick and effective. Well done that man! In comes Snelly to work with 8 balls at 158 for 4.
Pete takes the highest score in the qualifying round whnen he goes to 67 and then a misfiled makes it worse for KKR. Steve tries for the big hit as he has to and perishes at 164 for 5. Nothing else to do really. The next man needs to do exactly the same thing. Next ball Lee bowls Pete and then turns around to see the no ball signal from the unpire followed by the free hit one. He bowls this very wide but is not called and we take a single off the 5th. Arul faces the last, tries to straight drive Brett and Pete is run out for a brilliant 70 off 61 leaving KKR needing to score 167. 166 for 6 is a decent punt. Can the bowlers defend it?
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Alf starts for us and is cut for 6 off the backfoot on ball 4 by ..... but he only goes for 8 off the whole over and we see Kartik opening from the other end. Bishra waits for Kallis to hit and runs. Kallis calls wait. Bishra doesn't and MK runs him out KKR 8 for 1. In comes Goswami. We are immediately on our game in terms of fielding with Arul throwing himself in front of a ball to stop a single. It gets better when the spinning master gets KALLIS caught low by James and KKR are 10 for 2. In comes Tiwary and the nerves are showing through the uniforms of the Indian side.
On comes Reolof to make it as hard as possible. If KKR get this less than halfway through the 18th then we go it seems. Anyway we are in this to win it and they are 14 for 2 after 3 overs with MK taking the 4th against a very nervy Goswami who is trying to hit the cover off every ball and connecting with very little. They get one boundary but nothing else from his over and go into the 5th at 19 for 2. RvdM is back for the 5th and Goswami nearly holes out to James on the boundary trying to hit his side out of trouble and not doing a very good job of it. It drops short but not by much at all. Lots of big swipes but it is only 25 after 5 overs.
KKR need 153 to qualify for the next stage. Not sure what we need but a win would put us through with no calculations. Alf is back on for the 6th so he is keeping MK in reserve for later should he be needed. There is some brilliant fielding going on out there and RvdM has just bought himself for next season as far as I am concerned with a truly superb committed dive to save a certain four at the end of the 6th. 32 for 2 after 6 overs. MK is not in reserve, he has just changed ends and takes the 7th. His tight over goes for 6 and it is 38 for 2 after 7. At some point Pete, Max and Lewis have to become involved. In fact Max takes the 8th. This is important. He does well and what is more he takes Goswarmi with his last delivery, caught in the deep by Compton. Pathan arrives - big hitter and takes his side past 50 with his first delivery against Lewis into the attack for the first time. 57 at the end.
Max continues and gets Tiwary with his first ball of the 10th, playing the wrong shot on the wrong line. 57 for 4. Nick nearly caps off the over with a catch on the boundary but it goes for 6 and KKR go to 70 for 4 after 10. The commentators, who were slightly patronising at the start of this game are now heaping plaudits on the side from all angles..."better than Leicestershire by far...." "...outplaying KKR in all facets of the game..." and so forth. However, the Indian TV is still showing loads of the KKR dugout and the Bollywood film starts related to it and counting down how many runs KolKota need to qualify rather than win. They are along way off yet but with Pathan and Tendeoshcate there they have a great chance of getting their noses in front.
When Arul is introduced they are nearing the 100 mark and although he gets a couple opf good shots taken off him he goes for very little more than that in his overs. What's more, at 97 he pulls a big one in when Pathan has a go but doesn't get all of it and Lewis holds on to the catch just in from the boundary. The end of the 13th, they still don't have 3 figures and the last BIG partnership is over. The indian TV starts to concentrate soley on the qualification target of 153. Ryan is still fighting though and Shakib Al Hasan looks a useful bat, though probably more of a stroke player than a boundary clearer.
Pete is finally introduced as the last bowler to take to the stage with KKR looking for a BIG over from someone. Although Ryan is hitting the odd six, he is not making heavy double figure scores and the overs are ticking by and when Trigger has Al Hasan absolutely superbly caught by a full length diving RvdM in the 15th with 120 on the board it is very obvious that the only target the opposition are interested in is the 153. Somerset have taken them, shaken them and now totally dominated them.
Bhatia comes in and supports his bigger hitting partner with a very useful 19 but as Alf and Reolof return to take us to the close it is quite clear that none of the batsmen are going to get 20 off off these men. With the first ball of the 20th RvdM sends the bowler on his way as 150 arrives on the board and Ten Deoschate struggles to find the other three but does it with the third ball of the over....you would think they had won the game the relief and clebration of the players AND the crowd is so huge!! But there is a game to finish and finish it we do. Our man sends the Dutchman on his way with the very next delivery as he skittles him completely and Lee arrives needing about 20 off 2 and sees the game out losing by 11 runs.
Brilliant, brilliant performance by the whole team. hardly a wrong move made, excellent and controlled batting, excellent and controlled bowling and as someone said afterwards;
A game involving Brett lee, Pathan, Jacques Kallis, Ryan Ten Deoschate and Reolof van der Merwe and the man of the match is? Peter Trego from WSM...and he flaming well deserved it!!
We are now one of the 10 best T20 sides in the world and hopefully havce a lot more to say in this trounament before the end of October.
Thanks for that guys and well done to all those who were called and answered that call in style. Lord's was a gut wrencher but this restores some faith and sends many a Somerset supporter to bed happy this evening.
It really upset my Indian caretaker who let me see the end because he was a KKR supporter and had to see his idols well and truly stuffed by a side he did not even know!! He does now!!
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Enjoying this 100 times more than expected.Didn't really give us a chance against either team.Jones has impressed in both games.
What time is it with you Grockle?
What did they expect playing the best team in England an easy ride.
What did they expect playing the best team in England an easy ride.
Just need to keep our heads now after the RvDM departure. Bat sensibly and give ourselves a score to defend.
this is a great effort. Surely as we have matched the Sri lankans score that unless KKR get these runs in about 12/13 overs we will qualify?
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Cricinfo is on the blink - now it says Compo has hit a six.
The kink has been ironed out... after a terrific effort, Nick has been run out!
I think if we get beaten narrowly, say with 2 or 3 balls to spare, we should have enough on NRR to get through.
On the other hand, apparently KKR can qualify if they lose here by 10 or so runs, so they have the option (which would suit us) of only aiming for what they need to qualify.
On the other hand, apparently KKR can qualify if they lose here by 10 or so runs, so they have the option (which would suit us) of only aiming for what they need to qualify.
By the way, if you look quickly you will find that Pete is currently the headline news on Cricinfo, including a photo of him in all his tattooed glory.
I really don't care either way. As was said at the top. It is just great to see the lads going for it. We are so much better when we attack rather than trying to think the other side out.
Down to Alf and the guys to extend the good feel factor. It's a big ask for KKr but there's that Kallis bloke in there.
It's 8 o'clock here. I think we are about 90 minutes behind Hydrabad.
Down to Alf and the guys to extend the good feel factor. It's a big ask for KKr but there's that Kallis bloke in there.
It's 8 o'clock here. I think we are about 90 minutes behind Hydrabad.
I think the players and club might care - apparently qualification for the main draw brings an immediate $200,000 payment!
Kallis said he would be happy to chase 130. Now it looks like they will need in excess of 150 to qualify ahead of the Sri Lankans.
This will not be easy for them (I hope).
I think the commentator who said that Somerset should have chosen to chase was blindly assuming that Kolkata would win.
This will not be easy for them (I hope).
I think the commentator who said that Somerset should have chosen to chase was blindly assuming that Kolkata would win.
Chinaman - the picture that I saw that was captioned as Pete was a photo of RvDM!
They were a little patronising at the start....not so patronising now :-)
We HAVE to be tight!!!
We HAVE to be tight!!!
If KKR win in less than 18.4 overs then Somerset out (assuming KKR score 167 to win; if they score 170 then Somerset need to drag it to at least 19 overs
I suppose a win with 10 balls to spare counts as a gubbing in t20 cricket.
If its that close then the 4 that Alf hit although it counts as 1 as they crossed prior to it hitting the boundary may be vital now?
Am I reading this correctly, or am I just all over the place ?
If its that close then the 4 that Alf hit although it counts as 1 as they crossed prior to it hitting the boundary may be vital now?
Am I reading this correctly, or am I just all over the place ?
Yes - he should have stood and admired his shot!
Or we could just run through them and win.
Or we could just run through them and win.
Well, we beat their Champions last time out, Grockle! so they can shove their patronisation where the sun does not penetrate!!
This guy that came in at three has a strike rate (career) of only 89 in T20, so hopefully that is a good sign.
This guy that came in at three has a strike rate (career) of only 89 in T20, so hopefully that is a good sign.
Keep getting shots of presumably famous stars of screen and television supporting the Knight Riders.
Surely Somerset have missed a trick not bringing similarly famous West Country stars. Or at least their own enigmatic gentleman in dark glasses . . .
Surely Somerset have missed a trick not bringing similarly famous West Country stars. Or at least their own enigmatic gentleman in dark glasses . . .
RvdM has just sold himself to me for next season. If the man is going to commit in the field to that level (absolutely wonderful save of a certain boundary) then I'll have him like a shot.
Barbara Jefford's dad was a Glastonbury bank manager when I was a lad.
And what about the Damon of Frome?
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
And what about the Damon of Frome?
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
How many catches have gone down? the ground fielding has been great.
Keep it tight and we will win, RR climbing.
Keep it tight and we will win, RR climbing.
Although I obviously want to see Somerset get through I didn't care less whether the KKR joined them or not.
That was until I saw the interview with their owner during the interval. Was he for real?
Stop Press - RVDM catch has definitely wiped the smarmy smile off his face!
That was until I saw the interview with their owner during the interval. Was he for real?
Stop Press - RVDM catch has definitely wiped the smarmy smile off his face!
Remember, Kolkata will be through if they pass 155, so that's their real target. Obviously would be good for us if they see it that way.
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It seems Ian Chappell has been rude about our world record holder.
I didn't hear it as rude, just that he found the figures so immense he couldn't believe them!
Well done, that's qualification, a great perofrmance from the lads...now let's win
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The city of Kolkata has 4.5 million residents, and the metropolitan area, including suburbs, has a population of approximately 15.7 million, making it the third most populous metropolitan area in India and the 13th most populous urban area in the world. The city is also classified as the eighth largest urban agglomeration in the world
And we just beat them. Not bad, eh?
fabulous effort..more dosh for the players and the club now and they get to stay in India for another 10 days at least I think.
fabulous stuff.
So what is the official line on Craig and Jos? Will they be joining the squad or not?
In fact, when does the CL start for real?
So what is the official line on Craig and Jos? Will they be joining the squad or not?
In fact, when does the CL start for real?
Not completely sure if i'm right, but think we are in Group A, along with,
Chennai
Cape Cobras
Mumbai
NSW
Chennai
Cape Cobras
Mumbai
NSW
Do I take it, Chinaman, that Kolkata is almost as big as Taunton?
RvdM strikes me as someone who makes the very best of his abilities - and inspires others to do likewise.
A brilliant effort also by Peter Trego - who played for his side by scoring at a good rate, without taking unnecessary risks.
RvdM strikes me as someone who makes the very best of his abilities - and inspires others to do likewise.
A brilliant effort also by Peter Trego - who played for his side by scoring at a good rate, without taking unnecessary risks.
Stonking stuff. Hated the patronising commentary on Eurosport. It was if we'd not won the game at the end.
World Champions has a nice ring to it
World Champions has a nice ring to it
Van the Man is hopefully now guaranteed himself a T20 contract here next year at least but he could be a permanent fixture here.
Well played Tregs for holding the innings together but what a fantastic all round contribution from vd M!! Runs, wickets,an amazing catch and some superb high energy fielding.
Exactly what the team needed to keep us going as they are surely going to sleep well when they finally get chance?!! Enjoy some alcohol first though boys....
Well played Tregs for holding the innings together but what a fantastic all round contribution from vd M!! Runs, wickets,an amazing catch and some superb high energy fielding.
Exactly what the team needed to keep us going as they are surely going to sleep well when they finally get chance?!! Enjoy some alcohol first though boys....
Even if Craig, Jos and George join them the three they replace
should be allowed to stay on as travelling reserves. We shouldn't be out of pocket.
The danger is that the IPL will want to sign half our lads, and we'll start 2012 with TRES and a few youngsters- still thats fine by me!
should be allowed to stay on as travelling reserves. We shouldn't be out of pocket.
The danger is that the IPL will want to sign half our lads, and we'll start 2012 with TRES and a few youngsters- still thats fine by me!
A fantastic and deserved win for the boys. They showed real belief tonight under enourmous pressure from a partisan crowd.
It reflects very well on the club and guarantees another few matches at the top table of T20 cricket.
It reflects very well on the club and guarantees another few matches at the top table of T20 cricket.
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That was until I saw the interview with their owner during the interval. Was he for real?
That was nauseatingly sycophantic wasn't it? Reminded me of those archived BBC interviews with the royal family from the 50s.
As Trinidad have already been slotted into the Group A fixtures, we must in group B along side,
Bangalore (RC
Warriors
St Australia
and Kolkata
Looks like our first game is on Sunday, same place, same team - though i'd take this info with a pinch of salt!
...going for a lie down now
Bangalore (RC
Warriors
St Australia
and Kolkata
Looks like our first game is on Sunday, same place, same team - though i'd take this info with a pinch of salt!
...going for a lie down now
So many good things said about Somerset's team they couldn't understand how we lost to Leicester.
Max Waller had praise for him bowling he was one of the bowlers that had a catch dropped.
Max Waller had praise for him bowling he was one of the bowlers that had a catch dropped.
Sunday. Same time, same place, same opposition. Here's the fixture list from the ESPN Star website so should be correct.
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Bring it on!!
Edited to change Saturday to Sunday - when did I start working an eight day week?
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Bring it on!!
Edited to change Saturday to Sunday - when did I start working an eight day week?
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So we may not fly Craig and Jos out unless we've won our first couple of games?
Very well played, Somerset.
I am pleased that after the disappointments of our domestic season, we have shown such spirit even though we were without the services of a number of our regular players.
Give us more to cheer please.
I am pleased that after the disappointments of our domestic season, we have shown such spirit even though we were without the services of a number of our regular players.
Give us more to cheer please.
Im sure Jos/Craig are flying out 1st thing on monday to join up with the lads ready for tuesdays game!!
By the way what a great effort from the boys!!
COACH
By the way what a great effort from the boys!!
COACH
A most magnificent effort from all 11. I loved the smiles and the body language. Superb play from Peter definitely deserved man of the match, and a catch out of this world from RvdM. I'd take him next year. The highlight? Compton's Buttlerscoop for 6. I shall now leave hte sofa
My initial mild disappointment that the KKR managed to stagger past their required total to make it in to the main competition has waned now I see the fixture list. It actually suits Somerset - as I believe AG pointed out on an earlier thread KKR go int the spot in the fixture list reserved for the winner of the group despite coming 2nd (ensuring their matches will all be played at prime Indian TV time. This means Somerset take the remaining place. After Sunday's game they have 6 days before their next match the following Saturday - plenty of time for Buttler and Keswetter to arrive and acclimatise. If KKR had failed to qualify Somerset would have been playing again on Tuesday and Thursday.
We don't play on Tuesday do we? Looks like This Sunday then the following Saturday?
HS looking at the fixture list on the ESPN Star site that's correct - and I would expect the TV company to know (even if their commentators are clueless!)
What pleases me most is the clear evidence of a good team spirit. For the boys to pick themselves up after the disappointments of the end of the domestic season, fly straight out to India and win both of their qualifying matches speaks volumes. Even allowing for VdM's contribution, just about everyone chipped in with PT a real hero.
Fantastic stuff from the boys, Trigger was absolutely superb and I would like to add myself to the list of RVDM fans and see him back for longer next year.
The only cloud on the horizon is that when we lose in the final the club will be 1.2 million dollars worse off than if we had won.
The only cloud on the horizon is that when we lose in the final the club will be 1.2 million dollars worse off than if we had won.
The only time i have seen the cameras more on the losers than the winners. That Khan guy must have thought they won running around hugging every body.
Sick and tired of seeing him in all those adverts. Alan Wilkins said he is known all over the world. As much as De Caprio and Matt Damon do you think?
Sick and tired of seeing him in all those adverts. Alan Wilkins said he is known all over the world. As much as De Caprio and Matt Damon do you think?
We've already done better than last time around as last time we started with one great win and were then badly outclassed in the subsequent games.
Hopefully we can beat these guys again on Sunday!
Hopefully we can beat these guys again on Sunday!
And the funniest thing was at the end of the show when they did a montage of our two dropped catches and one misfield and the camera panned out to KKR celebrating. Priceless.
I was watching online. I don't know if it was the same feed for eurosport or whatever but they ran a qualifiers trailer several times. Anyone else spot who was appearing in our colours ? Zander !! I kid you not.
No complaints at all about the commentary Bishop, Chapple et al. They seemed very complimentary.
Congrats to everyone who played , great fun . Can't remember the last time I was so excited ( sorry dear ).
Would it be too churlish of me to wonder why we didn't perform like that in the last 5 finals ? I mean we know how good this team is , do they ??
No complaints at all about the commentary Bishop, Chapple et al. They seemed very complimentary.
Congrats to everyone who played , great fun . Can't remember the last time I was so excited ( sorry dear ).
Would it be too churlish of me to wonder why we didn't perform like that in the last 5 finals ? I mean we know how good this team is , do they ??
Our times seem to be :
Sun 25 Sept 3.30pm
Sat 1 Oct 11.30am
Mon 3 3.30pm
Wed 5 11.30am
If we finish in first 2
1st semi Fri 7 Oct 3.30pm or
2nd semi Sat 8 3.30pm
Final Sun 9 3.30pm
Sun 25 Sept 3.30pm
Sat 1 Oct 11.30am
Mon 3 3.30pm
Wed 5 11.30am
If we finish in first 2
1st semi Fri 7 Oct 3.30pm or
2nd semi Sat 8 3.30pm
Final Sun 9 3.30pm
Assume CK,JB,and GD will be available for games 2 to 4.Maybe JB will be in the England 50 over team , along with Taylor as they will be out there already??
I am assuming that Arul is an England-qualified player now - if not then if George is to play then one of Arul, RvdM, Alf or Murali will be left out.
Been travelling the last couple of days, so missed the fun.
Can but echo the sentiments expressed on this & the other match thread. Tremendous achievement to get two wins, just after a lousy weekend & an exhausting journey.
Great stuff.
I don't know much about RVdM, but his one day efforts & talent seem self evident. If we can get him signed for T20 etc.,is there any reason we shouldn't also look to him to be our 2012 overseas player in the longer form of the game ?
Grizzzly
Can but echo the sentiments expressed on this & the other match thread. Tremendous achievement to get two wins, just after a lousy weekend & an exhausting journey.
Great stuff.
I don't know much about RVdM, but his one day efforts & talent seem self evident. If we can get him signed for T20 etc.,is there any reason we shouldn't also look to him to be our 2012 overseas player in the longer form of the game ?
Grizzzly
Sung to a well known tune that would have wafted out from the Somerset dressing room today.
Where be old Nixon to?
I know where he be
He be in an areoplane flying o'er the sea
He lost here, He lost there
In India he lost everywhere
What a pity
lost inspiration for the last line
Where be old Nixon to?
I know where he be
He be in an areoplane flying o'er the sea
He lost here, He lost there
In India he lost everywhere
What a pity
lost inspiration for the last line
Congrats from Norf Lunnon chaps.
Now go on and rattle a few more cages....
Now go on and rattle a few more cages....
Tms producer on the twit web says the ECB have confirmed that Craig and Jos will fly out to India on Monday.
Somerset have played quite superbly over the past two days and deserve massive congratulations after the disappointment of the two lost finals.
A number of our players seem to be lining themselves up for IPL contracts and I can foresee Trego becoming quite a cult figure in India. His innings today must have been among his best, something some of us were saying after his very recent CC century against Lancashire. (BJ will take some convincing)
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
A number of our players seem to be lining themselves up for IPL contracts and I can foresee Trego becoming quite a cult figure in India. His innings today must have been among his best, something some of us were saying after his very recent CC century against Lancashire. (BJ will take some convincing)
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I missed the last over, so I'll catch up on the video, but what a tremendous couple of days cricket, so heart-warming. The spirit, the relaxed way of playing, the enthusiasm, all brilliant.
For anyone without Eurosport, it is available via Live streaming, on the internet
For anyone without Eurosport, it is available via Live streaming, on the internet
I think we're playing so well, we're well on the way to coming second in this...
Blindly loyal since 1972
Blindly loyal since 1972
max returning to UK on Friday.Dockrell to replace him for Sundays game. Gregory and Snell staying until Monday and then replaced by Jos and CK.
Hadnt really thought about 4 player rule. Meschede too may not be eligible for England but I would but I imagine Arul must be so that Alf, Kartik, VDM and Docrell would all play.
Disappointed for Max, as Jones is there so Barrow may have been a better bet to go home but its probably all pre=agreed and you have to stick with it. Rules and all that. If Hussain gets a visa then maybe we have to bring him in under the rules regardless of how much we want Jonews to stay now.
Hadnt really thought about 4 player rule. Meschede too may not be eligible for England but I would but I imagine Arul must be so that Alf, Kartik, VDM and Docrell would all play.
Disappointed for Max, as Jones is there so Barrow may have been a better bet to go home but its probably all pre=agreed and you have to stick with it. Rules and all that. If Hussain gets a visa then maybe we have to bring him in under the rules regardless of how much we want Jonews to stay now.
Have we already nominated who Jos, Craig and George will replace ? I assume it's Max, Snelly and Jones ? Is this set in stone ?
A great couple of days to bury the end of season events and move on! Well played to all! A fantastic effort without Tres and the three international boys.
Would be great to break our recent trophy duck and win the damn thing, but a decent showing would be fine.
A great couple of days to bury the end of season events and move on! Well played to all! A fantastic effort without Tres and the three international boys.
Would be great to break our recent trophy duck and win the damn thing, but a decent showing would be fine.
It was a brilliant performance, by a brilliant side.
Let's not play down the significance of what the boys have done, they've proved exactly what some of us have been saying for a long while....they are one of the best teams in the world.
Watching Trigger when he's got the bit between his teeth is one of the finest sights in cricket, in RvdM he has the perfect partner, no bowling attack in the world could contain those two when they get going.
These performances have shown what we really are, forget the minor blips at the end of the regular season....the boys are back.
For good.
Let's not play down the significance of what the boys have done, they've proved exactly what some of us have been saying for a long while....they are one of the best teams in the world.
Watching Trigger when he's got the bit between his teeth is one of the finest sights in cricket, in RvdM he has the perfect partner, no bowling attack in the world could contain those two when they get going.
These performances have shown what we really are, forget the minor blips at the end of the regular season....the boys are back.
For good.
Arul is England qualified since May. Shame for those coming home. Many thanks to Snelly. For whoever it was who wondered what that huddle was for at the end of the CB Final... I think it had something to do with this.
I also enjoyed Trigger's MoM interview, a well-spoken young man, who would make a great summariser. He exudes calmness.
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Been travelling the last couple of days, so missed the fun.
Can but echo the sentiments expressed on this & the other match thread. Tremendous achievement to get two wins, just after a lousy weekend & an exhausting journey.
Great stuff.
I don't know much about RVdM, but his one day efforts & talent seem self evident. If we can get him signed for T20 etc.,is there any reason we shouldn't also look to him to be our 2012 overseas player in the longer form of the game ?
Grizzzly
No track record of success in the first-class game at all really.
Great news that we will have George for Sunday - had not realised that that would be the case.
Would LOVE it if we beat KKR again.
Would LOVE it if we beat KKR again.
I know I'm in the minority here, but personally I would rather have Max than George. Max has proved in these games that he can take wickets out there in T20, and taking wickets in T20 builds pressure. My fear is that George is a much more predictable and less threatening bowler and against Kallis and co he could well take a lot of tap!
Sorry if I've ruffled the feathers of the George supporters. I feel Max in these matches may be a better bowler, gives potentially more batting (cant see George getting double hundreds in the seconds!) and is definitely a better fielder. But what do I know.
Sorry if I've ruffled the feathers of the George supporters. I feel Max in these matches may be a better bowler, gives potentially more batting (cant see George getting double hundreds in the seconds!) and is definitely a better fielder. But what do I know.
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I also enjoyed Trigger's MoM interview, a well-spoken young man, who would make a great summariser. He exudes calmness.
I agree with you Pete came across very well in his interview compared to Alfonso who struggled to find the words to say, it doesn’t come natural to every one to have a mike in your hand.
Saying that I thought Alfonso’s captaincy was spot on, the field placing was just right with a lot of the balls going straight to the fielders.
tend to agree WITH MuppetD. With Jones out there we are a batsman heavy IMO esp when CK and JB arrive. Why dont they sacrifice Barrow and keep Max out there with George.
Put it this way I can see Max doing damage but I cant see Barrow ever getting a game unless there is an injury.
Leads me to think it mist all be pre-arranged with organisers and it cant be changed
Put it this way I can see Max doing damage but I cant see Barrow ever getting a game unless there is an injury.
Leads me to think it mist all be pre-arranged with organisers and it cant be changed
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The highlight? Compton's Buttlerscoop for 6.
I thought that Compton trying to reverse-sweep Brett Lee came a close second.
Muppetdodger: I'd have to disagree with you, I think George is the better bowler at this point. He has a proven track record with Ireland. Granted most of the Ireland games were against inferior opposition, but remember Ireland have also played some top opposition too.
George can also bat a bit too. He scored a 53 for Ireland recently, so he's no mug.
But this is still very tough on Max, who has performed well in India and deserved to stay on more than one or two of the others who will stay.
(Edited to correct Dockrell's top score)
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George can also bat a bit too. He scored a 53 for Ireland recently, so he's no mug.
But this is still very tough on Max, who has performed well in India and deserved to stay on more than one or two of the others who will stay.
(Edited to correct Dockrell's top score)
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If Max waller is going home after contributing significantly in the two wins to be replaced by someone who was unavailable in those 2 matches and is certainly not a better player, then Max surely is getting the message from the "management/selectors" Hope you find more appreciative club Max.
So enjoyed the last two games. Appreciate that there is disappointment after missing out again in domestic competitions this year, but we are now competing with the top 10 teams in the world. Rather puts things in to perspective for me.
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I know I'm in the minority here, but personally I would rather have Max than George. Max has proved in these games that he can take wickets out there in T20, and taking wickets in T20 builds pressure. My fear is that George is a much more predictable and less threatening bowler and against Kallis and co he could well take a lot of tap!
Sorry if I've ruffled the feathers of the George supporters. I feel Max in these matches may be a better bowler, gives potentially more batting (cant see George getting double hundreds in the seconds!) and is definitely a better fielder. But what do I know.
Well, George did not get much tap in the World Cup, really, bowling to Tendulkar and co!
I have to say that George looked pretty competent with the bat against Notts in the CC at Taunton. No idea what George is like with the bat in one-day games, though.
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Regardless, AG.
They are still the top ten teams in the world, and we are, one of them.
Fact....a.....mundo.
They are still the top ten teams in the world, and we are, one of them.
Fact....a.....mundo.
At T20. We've done brilliantly in these two games. And it would be wonderful to go on further and earn more cash, particularly if the club itself gets plenty of cash as opposed to it being just the players. If that happens then there should be no question as to whether the club has the resources to improve the squad?
Conversely, if almost all the money goes to our players, that would not help create a budget to improve our CC squad for next season.
However, it might still be useful to the club in that players may be both more likely to stay at SCCC and players from without might be more likely to join if they see that we are regularly qualifying for a lucrative competition that can make them rich (technically, of course, we also qualified last season.)
I seem to remember that the ECB had agreed to itself pay ourselves and Leics a sum of money - was it £100,000 each? - to participate in this tournament because there was the risk of losing money without that payment if we did not qualify?
I assume that money is for the club.
But what about the prize money for participating in this next round?
Conversely, if almost all the money goes to our players, that would not help create a budget to improve our CC squad for next season.
However, it might still be useful to the club in that players may be both more likely to stay at SCCC and players from without might be more likely to join if they see that we are regularly qualifying for a lucrative competition that can make them rich (technically, of course, we also qualified last season.)
I seem to remember that the ECB had agreed to itself pay ourselves and Leics a sum of money - was it £100,000 each? - to participate in this tournament because there was the risk of losing money without that payment if we did not qualify?
I assume that money is for the club.
But what about the prize money for participating in this next round?
Follow the link below for the CL T20 prize money. 1 lakh = 100,000, so 5th-10th place gets 95 lakh rupees = 9,500,000 rupees = £125,000 (if my calculations are correct). So this is the sum Somerset are already guaranteed out of the prize money fund. The winners get $2.5 million.
Nokia CL T20 2011 prize money
Nokia CL T20 2011 prize money
So it looks like we would win about an additional $500,000 at least if we manage to finish in the top two in our group? I imagine that the club has agreed, contractually, to pay most of it out as player bonuses, though.
Will GEORGE and CRAIG be classed as non English players when they arrive.
If they are how many can we play.
If they are how many can we play.
They cannot possibly class Craig K as non-England qualified!
I believe we are allowed to play four non-England qualified players.
I believe we are allowed to play four non-England qualified players.
The fact that he plays for England indicates that he is England qualified, I should have thought.
Opener Trego played an unaccustomed anchor role for Somerset, striking nine fours off 61 deliveries before he was bowled off the last ball of the innings.
He added 72 in nine overs with Roelof van der Merwe, who smashed 40 off 25 balls [www.ecb.co.uk]
I know even the ECB can get it wrong, Pete wasn't bowled he was run-out.
He added 72 in nine overs with Roelof van der Merwe, who smashed 40 off 25 balls [www.ecb.co.uk]
I know even the ECB can get it wrong, Pete wasn't bowled he was run-out.
That's enough brilliant thoughts for one day, Bobstan.
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
This is such a bonus ! I walked away from Lords last week despondantat at the performance but actually more so thinking it would be a long cricketless (well SCCC anyway )6 months till next season and now this . Fantastic .
Great results but no time for team spirit building as MAX, LEWIS AND STEVE ARE BANISHED FROM EVEN STAYING AS SUPPORTERS.
By the time they get back we should know which club has acquired the services of "the most exciting English leggie in more than 30 years". {The words of Ian Chappell}
By the time they get back we should know which club has acquired the services of "the most exciting English leggie in more than 30 years". {The words of Ian Chappell}
I expect they will, nevertheless, share in the prize monies, so that will probably be quite a big consolation. Plus they can have a well-earned break after a long, hard season (especially for SK.)
Here are my brilliant thoughts: I suspect that the Craig in question is Craig Meschede and the Steve is Steve Snell.
A few things I’d like to add here. Firstly, what a brilliant 2 evenings, going home from work & sitting in front of the tv watching our team of losers play 2 fantastic matches – I bet 14 other counties wished they had a team so poor (Lancs, Leics & Surrey excused). And they don’t look like a team of losers either…. I assume they didn’t go home Saturday? So they could be forgiven if they hadn’t show much hunger & desire, & their performances resembled that of a team at the end of a long season, not sure whether they’re away for a few days or few weeks, missing 3-4 key players, half of what’s left are bandaged up, & all of them down from Saturday’s result. When I saw the KKK line up I hoped for a plucky Somerset defeat rather than a Lee/Kallis inspired slaughter, but everyone raised their game. Kartik looked almost refreshed & loving the conditions & Compton had some fun in his 20 off 10. And now of course, I’ve got to work out how to record off the V+ box another 4 times I think!!
Steve Snell – a few weeks ago I thought Steve Who? & wondered why we didn’t give the 2nd 11 keeper a chance. But his performance in the 1st CLT with the bat surely is one of the best Somerset stories of the summer? Rather than a guy just being paid a few £ to help out for a few weeks, he was batting like his life depended on it. If he doesn’t get a county contract next year, then surely we’ve got the cover if Craig & Jos are both called up, assuming we can pick him as & when it suits?
Peter Trego – wow! I totally agree with previous posters re his interview. Alf looks like he’s an on the pitch captain, not a leader off it. Peter came over brilliantly in the interview & even better with his performance on the pitch. Another game like yesterday & he might be off to the IPL. Even the wife is getting interested, though was more keen on looking up his goalkeeping performances when I told there was a good chance we’d seem him play against our team a few years ago when he was at Margate. Did you all know that he’s scored 2 goals in his goalkeeping career?!
Which brings me to my final point…. I wrote on another thread that perhaps we should consider next year going all out for that elusive win in the limited over games, & give the young players a chance to develop in the CC without the pressure of expecting a win – 1 point above relegation should be the target & with Trescothick, Compton & Hildreth we should have enough batting to rack up enough to survive. Every week there’s a debate here about Waller – the commentators last night were raving about him. if we don’t give him a full season without the pressure of expectation, how will we ever know if he’s good enough to help Somerset win the CC unless he goes to another county & shows us? I’d rather we find out. So let’s play Buttler, Barrow, Dibble, Jones, Waller, Gregory as much as possible next year in the hope that 3 of them will turn into players to help win CC in 2013. If it means taking a step back to take 2 forward them so be it. Let’s sign an overseas player with the focus on the 40/20 over game. As much as I enjoy watching Pollard, Van de Merwe looks to be a fantastic team player & hard to look beyond him.
Steve Snell – a few weeks ago I thought Steve Who? & wondered why we didn’t give the 2nd 11 keeper a chance. But his performance in the 1st CLT with the bat surely is one of the best Somerset stories of the summer? Rather than a guy just being paid a few £ to help out for a few weeks, he was batting like his life depended on it. If he doesn’t get a county contract next year, then surely we’ve got the cover if Craig & Jos are both called up, assuming we can pick him as & when it suits?
Peter Trego – wow! I totally agree with previous posters re his interview. Alf looks like he’s an on the pitch captain, not a leader off it. Peter came over brilliantly in the interview & even better with his performance on the pitch. Another game like yesterday & he might be off to the IPL. Even the wife is getting interested, though was more keen on looking up his goalkeeping performances when I told there was a good chance we’d seem him play against our team a few years ago when he was at Margate. Did you all know that he’s scored 2 goals in his goalkeeping career?!
Which brings me to my final point…. I wrote on another thread that perhaps we should consider next year going all out for that elusive win in the limited over games, & give the young players a chance to develop in the CC without the pressure of expecting a win – 1 point above relegation should be the target & with Trescothick, Compton & Hildreth we should have enough batting to rack up enough to survive. Every week there’s a debate here about Waller – the commentators last night were raving about him. if we don’t give him a full season without the pressure of expectation, how will we ever know if he’s good enough to help Somerset win the CC unless he goes to another county & shows us? I’d rather we find out. So let’s play Buttler, Barrow, Dibble, Jones, Waller, Gregory as much as possible next year in the hope that 3 of them will turn into players to help win CC in 2013. If it means taking a step back to take 2 forward them so be it. Let’s sign an overseas player with the focus on the 40/20 over game. As much as I enjoy watching Pollard, Van de Merwe looks to be a fantastic team player & hard to look beyond him.
Setting a target of staying up by one point would surely be massively defeatist and, more to the point, it means if we miss our target by even a tiny margin, then we'd be relegated in the CC. That would be a potential cricketing disaster for SCCC. And for a club that aspires to be the best club not only in England, but in the world (and that is the stated goal) then it would look decidely incongruous to set a target of trying to avoid complete failure in the CC.
If the argument is that most of our young players are better at short-form cricket, then that's all the more reason to bring in (if possible) a couple of more experienced players whose forte is the long-form game.
Results this season suggest we were nearly good enough to win in the one day stuff, but that we were some way off the pace in the long game. Hence, it is the long game that we need to improve in.
If the argument is that most of our young players are better at short-form cricket, then that's all the more reason to bring in (if possible) a couple of more experienced players whose forte is the long-form game.
Results this season suggest we were nearly good enough to win in the one day stuff, but that we were some way off the pace in the long game. Hence, it is the long game that we need to improve in.
Agree with most of the sentiments expressed by posters in this thread.
What has particularly impressed me over the last few days is the grit and determination we have shown both in the field and when batting....
For example, many, I guess, would'nt agree that Compton deliberately intersecting the ball with his bat, therefore preventing his run out, was neccesarily a good thing to see, but I liked the fact he was willing to do what was neccesary in the heat of the moment to win the game for Somerset.
Also, did Grockles hear the, ok mildish sledging, Snell was dishing out to Pathan?
So, I say, let's continue to operate like winners, rather than feeling sorry for ourselves when a wicket keeper sledges - albeit rather nastily - our players....
p.s.
What a bloody superb catch by RVM..and that Comptom scoup for 6!
What has particularly impressed me over the last few days is the grit and determination we have shown both in the field and when batting....
For example, many, I guess, would'nt agree that Compton deliberately intersecting the ball with his bat, therefore preventing his run out, was neccesarily a good thing to see, but I liked the fact he was willing to do what was neccesary in the heat of the moment to win the game for Somerset.
Also, did Grockles hear the, ok mildish sledging, Snell was dishing out to Pathan?
So, I say, let's continue to operate like winners, rather than feeling sorry for ourselves when a wicket keeper sledges - albeit rather nastily - our players....
p.s.
What a bloody superb catch by RVM..and that Comptom scoup for 6!
Heart warming indeed and has banished the Edgbaston/Lord's Blues.
Trigger seems to have developed a maturity in his batting this season and has played sensible innings keeping the ball largely on the ground and realising that trying to leather it every delivery doesn't work. The pacing of his last innings was wonderful and he said that having the other players come in and play around him took the pressure off him. Seemed like some role-reversal to me - and all the better for it.
I really like the way VDM plays his cricket as he seems to lift those around him too.
Max is VERY unlucky to be shipped home after his excellent performances. What else does he have to do to get a regular slot?? I tend to agree with those that think he is a better T20 bowler than George as he is always likey to get you a wicket. George is a better containing bowler agreed - but taking wickets is as importatnt in T20 as a any other format.
Hope the great enthusiasm shown so far can get us further in this jamboree.
PS: Is it just me or do others find it very odd that we cannot use more than 4 non-english qualified when the local teams can buy anyone they can afford??
Trigger seems to have developed a maturity in his batting this season and has played sensible innings keeping the ball largely on the ground and realising that trying to leather it every delivery doesn't work. The pacing of his last innings was wonderful and he said that having the other players come in and play around him took the pressure off him. Seemed like some role-reversal to me - and all the better for it.
I really like the way VDM plays his cricket as he seems to lift those around him too.
Max is VERY unlucky to be shipped home after his excellent performances. What else does he have to do to get a regular slot?? I tend to agree with those that think he is a better T20 bowler than George as he is always likey to get you a wicket. George is a better containing bowler agreed - but taking wickets is as importatnt in T20 as a any other format.
Hope the great enthusiasm shown so far can get us further in this jamboree.
PS: Is it just me or do others find it very odd that we cannot use more than 4 non-english qualified when the local teams can buy anyone they can afford??
Sloop JB: ALL the teams are only allowed to use maximum 4 non-native players in one game. Except Mumbai, who have just been granted an exemption due to excessive injuries to their Indian players.
Thanks China - no conspiracy after all!
Just thought the Indians might be ensuring their own prosper to the detriment! As in 'He who pays the piper'.
Just thought the Indians might be ensuring their own prosper to the detriment! As in 'He who pays the piper'.
Very dispondent Tweets from Max today. Obviously bitterly disappointed to be coming home on Friday. As he says...he can't even get in the 15!
My post of a couple of days ago still stands...if someone has seen the potential and is willing to offer you more first class cricket boy you have to bite their hand off.
My post of a couple of days ago still stands...if someone has seen the potential and is willing to offer you more first class cricket boy you have to bite their hand off.
Well, I think the Indians ARE fiddling with the rules a little bit to ensure their teams participate as much as possible (e.g. having KKR play last in qualifying so that they knew exactly what they needed to do to qualify). But then, fair enough - the extraordinary enthusiasm of the Indian fans makes all this (including relatively vast sums of money) possible, and so it's better that their teams are highly visible in the tournament. We all have to thank our stars that our beastly colonial forebears saw fit to export the game we all love to a nation of (now) 1 billion souls, who thereafter decided to become hopeless addicts of this game and no other.
By the way, here are highlights of Somerset v. KKR, presented by a very nice Indian lady:
">Somerset v. KKR, Sept 21 2011
By the way, here are highlights of Somerset v. KKR, presented by a very nice Indian lady:
">Somerset v. KKR, Sept 21 2011
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Thanks China - no conspiracy after all!
Just thought the Indians might be ensuring their own prosper to the detriment! As in 'He who pays the piper'.
That's if their Indian players really are injured, as opposed to sulking after the tour of England or having developed tactical ailments, so as to allow Mumbai to play more of their overseas contingent...
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Great results but no time for team spirit building as MAX, LEWIS AND STEVE ARE BANISHED FROM EVEN STAYING AS SUPPORTERS.
By the time they get back we should know which club has acquired the services of "the most exciting English leggie in more than 30 years". {The words of Ian Chappell}
Yes, i heard that as well! Which was a little confusing bearing in mind he was going for the thick end of 12 an over in a tournament where 6 an over has been the going rate!
Dons tin hat at runs to a safe place!!
Chappell is often full of clap-trap. Apart from anything else, one rather wonders how many English leg-spinners of the past 30 years have actually been seen by Chappell? I am now aware of his ever having done commentary or journo stints in English domestic County cricket?
I hope Max does not get in trouble with the club for his tweets as I seem to remember there was some issue before - when RvDM was signed.
I hope Max does not get in trouble with the club for his tweets as I seem to remember there was some issue before - when RvDM was signed.
In his interview on BBC Sport online, Andy Hurry confirms that we had to nominate the three who would be replaced by CK, JB and GD before the tournament started - so Max's release is no reflection on what he's done in the two games in India, nor is it based on any management ignorance of his significant performances there. I think it's a shame, but trust he will understand and get over it.
As you imply, AGod, Chappell's comment (based on a few decent balls and before one or two loose ones) was to the effect that MW looked a good prospect and that there had been very few English leg-spinners since the days of Robin Hobbs - the only one he could bring to mind was Laxman (better known as Harry Latchman).
Max is bound to be disappointed, but he's also a professional cricketer under contract to the club.
Be careful young man.
Be careful young man.
Presumably, either Max knew all along that he was going home, in which case it's a bit odd to complain about it now or the club failed to explain the situation to Max, which would be rather remiss of the club?
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Yes, i heard that as well! Which was a little confusing bearing in mind he was going for the thick end of 12 an over in a tournament where 6 an over has been the going rate!
Dons tin hat at runs to a safe place!!
2 - 21 could have been 3 - 15 if not too difficult catch hadn't been pushed for six
I take all that pre decision stuff...BUT it does not take away from the fact that Max was seen as an expendable member of the side when his record out of England in these kinds of competitions possibly does not reflect that..but as people say...them's the breaks.
Just to clear up this thing about Max's tweets: all he seems to have said is the following:
and:
I think it's obvious he is just expressing his profound disappointment at being unable to play any further part in a tournament he was excited to be at - surely natural in a competitive sportsman, especially when he'd already got to India, played well, and then ... home on a plane. Wouldn't we all feel like that?
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Good win tonight and well done to the guys! Im just seriously disappointed and upset I'm getting sent home on Friday!!! #missingout #gutted
and:
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Well basically Im getting replaced 4 Dockrell as I was only a stand in apparently whilst he was on International duty! #cantmakethe15!
I think it's obvious he is just expressing his profound disappointment at being unable to play any further part in a tournament he was excited to be at - surely natural in a competitive sportsman, especially when he'd already got to India, played well, and then ... home on a plane. Wouldn't we all feel like that?
Tweet 2 implies that Max did not know beforehand he was "just a stand in," so either there was a break down in communication i.e. the club did not tell him the score or he is being a bit of a drama queen and feigning surprise.
Would have thought that he would have at least remained out there with the rest of the squad.It's not as if he's injured and needs treatment.Its almost Saying George has arrived,you can go home now Max.
nelliec: I think we established earlier that the reason Max and two others have to fly home is because of the rules of the competition, which apparently state that no extra players outside the 15 can remain even as cheerleaders/supporters.
AGod: I still think give the guy a break. He's disappointed, somebody's asked him why he's being sent home, and he's explained why. Let's not read too much into it. Wouldn't you be bitterly disappointed if you'd just got a taste of playing in front of tens of thousands of fans in a foreign country in a huge tournament and then been told your season's over and go home and sit in front of the TV watching your teammates continue? I think Max was remarkably restrained in the circumstances.
AGod: I still think give the guy a break. He's disappointed, somebody's asked him why he's being sent home, and he's explained why. Let's not read too much into it. Wouldn't you be bitterly disappointed if you'd just got a taste of playing in front of tens of thousands of fans in a foreign country in a huge tournament and then been told your season's over and go home and sit in front of the TV watching your teammates continue? I think Max was remarkably restrained in the circumstances.
I don't think Max will worry too much. The message from the management is we don't think yuu are good enough in any form of cricket for us. I hope he tells them that he is good enough, and moves to a club that will have faith in him!
"Wouldn't you be bitterly disappointed if you'd just got a taste of playing in front of tens of thousands of fans in a foreign country in a huge tournament and then been told your season's over and go home and sit in front of the TV watching your teammates continue."
If that was the sequence of events, yes. If he played the first two games under the mis-apprehension that he'd be under consideration for the remaining games (if we qualified), only to then be suddenly told after the event that he is going home, then of course he'll be bitterly disappointed.
But if this was pre-ordained when we entered our squad (naming both the replacements and those to be sent home) I would expect them to have been told about it.
Perhaps the club didn't tell him, in which case he'd have every right to be livid!?
If that was the sequence of events, yes. If he played the first two games under the mis-apprehension that he'd be under consideration for the remaining games (if we qualified), only to then be suddenly told after the event that he is going home, then of course he'll be bitterly disappointed.
But if this was pre-ordained when we entered our squad (naming both the replacements and those to be sent home) I would expect them to have been told about it.
Perhaps the club didn't tell him, in which case he'd have every right to be livid!?
I have a lot of sympathy for Max, and think that in 5 or 6 years time he may well be superb. Slow bowlers often take a long time (Swann??) Having said that, even taking OB 's figures of 3-17, that was only off 2 overs, and in both matches there had been at least one buffet ball per over, I know that a leg spinner's margins of error are fine but this is the hard management call.They may be right, they may be wrong.
As I said earlier, of course he's disappointed.
But there's a time and a place for his disappointment, a social networking site is not one of them.
Ban the things.
But there's a time and a place for his disappointment, a social networking site is not one of them.
Ban the things.
fRed: Good question. But apparently rules is rules: 15 in the squad and that's it, nobody else allowed to hang around even in the country!
BJ: You're right, of course. But try telling 20-somethings they can't use their phones!
BJ: You're right, of course. But try telling 20-somethings they can't use their phones!
Yep, and I use mine, I am not being a grumpy old so and so for once.
But if I was discussing my job I'd be very careful about what I said about my employers, it may also be frowned upon by future employers.
A bit of common sense is needed.
But if I was discussing my job I'd be very careful about what I said about my employers, it may also be frowned upon by future employers.
A bit of common sense is needed.
Completely bizarre . As much as anything not such a bad place to have a couple of weeks holiday.
Oh dear, this has possibly escalated at little tonight
Alfonso Thomas
Hate it when people can't take it on the chin and act spoilt plz grow up! #chinup!
27 minutes later
Max Waller
@alfonsothomas was that directed at me mate? Hope not! Off early so probably wont catch you! Good luck rest of comp! #noreasonwhywecantwinit
Alfonso Thomas
Hate it when people can't take it on the chin and act spoilt plz grow up! #chinup!
27 minutes later
Max Waller
@alfonsothomas was that directed at me mate? Hope not! Off early so probably wont catch you! Good luck rest of comp! #noreasonwhywecantwinit
These social networking sites are a PITA. I do wish soiled laundry could be kept in the washroom where it can be dealt with privately.
According to Andy Hurry Max was made aware before the tournament that he was going to be replaced by George Dockrell.
KB
According to Andy Hurry Max was made aware before the tournament that he was going to be replaced by George Dockrell.
KB
The other thing I don't really understand is why is it OK for players to comment quite openly on Twitter/Facebook etc, but not be permitted to participate in email forums such as this? I recall that Blackie37 was a frequent contributor here for a while before his contributions were (as I understand it) "terminated". Can't see the difference myself.
KB
KB
As I twittered, the cricket world is watching us at present, so we need to make sure they remember as for the right reasons.
Those were the days with Blackie37 and Chesterfield Mum!
Those were the days with Blackie37 and Chesterfield Mum!
Good point Kingston Black. Very good point.
This forum is, for the vast majority of the time, a place for intelligent debate amongst a like-minded community. We might not all agree, thank God, but we all know where we are each coming from.
Twitter is a very good site (I use it for news mainly) but it's quite egotistic in nature and comment is rapid rather than reasoned.
If forums like this are like Test matches, Twitter is like 2020.
Max did well but it's the team that matters.
Let's get on with the cricket!
This forum is, for the vast majority of the time, a place for intelligent debate amongst a like-minded community. We might not all agree, thank God, but we all know where we are each coming from.
Twitter is a very good site (I use it for news mainly) but it's quite egotistic in nature and comment is rapid rather than reasoned.
If forums like this are like Test matches, Twitter is like 2020.
Max did well but it's the team that matters.
Let's get on with the cricket!
Think it's time to put all this negativity behind us and think of all the positive things that have come out of the last two days. Probably at least 90 % of us (me included) expected us to be on our way home now. As it happens we are out there for another two weeks with Jos , Craig , and George arriving , with the chance of having the distinction of been the best domestic 2020 team in the world.Can't be that bad can it!!
Sympathies for Max, mixed with minor irritation at the silly twitter stuff. (Don't use the darned social media if you can't keep private thoughts private !).
Obviously it's good that we can get our best players out there for the next round, but in the wider context, I do wonder whether all these competitions should be closed to any squad changes after they start. That way, teams can bond & build, with no disruption, howsoever caused.
Finally, regarding PT, I have thought (& posted !) for a couple of years or more that he would make an excellent candidate for Captaincy, in all forms of the game, if a vacancy ever arises.
Grizzzly
Obviously it's good that we can get our best players out there for the next round, but in the wider context, I do wonder whether all these competitions should be closed to any squad changes after they start. That way, teams can bond & build, with no disruption, howsoever caused.
Finally, regarding PT, I have thought (& posted !) for a couple of years or more that he would make an excellent candidate for Captaincy, in all forms of the game, if a vacancy ever arises.
Grizzzly
With regard to the sending of George Dockerell to replace Max Waller I am somewhat perplexed. For various reasons I have seen a lot more Matches this year than I usually do. I have not seen George Dockerell once. What has he done. How good is he. How can you judge. At least I have seen a little of Max Waller. He has usually given a good account of himself when I have seen him. He also scored a double hundred for the seconds at the start of the season, so whatever the standard of the bowling he can be no mug with the bat. Why replace him.
I think most of us on here will sympathise with Max as he certainly bowled well in the first match and took a couple of wickets in the 2nd which is why he was picked surely rather than to bowl tight and keep the runs down so can understand his feelings?!
His twitter posts are nothing really contraversial but are to the point,honest,showing disappointment but not singling anyone out for criticism.However if Fonzys post was aimed at Max then that would be out of order as that was patronising and not becoming of a captain of this team.IF it was intended for Max then Fonzy has let himself down by acting on it and is actually making a fool of himself by replying to what he hints was a childish remark made by Max in the first place! Fonzy is a captain and 36yrs of age so should of risen above it and he comes out of it worse in my eyes if it was intended for Max because he should know better! I hope this is just a storm in a teacup and is all sorted by now but if this is true then this would be the 3rd falling out I have witnessed this season involving Fonzy and is becoming too regular.
Max is a fantastic bloke and a more than useful cricketer but I accept the club are using him really as he plays most of our one day matches leading up to the finals but he rarely gets chance to play in one once we are there and then you have this weeks situation.He must get incredibly @#$%& off??!!I hope we can be honest with him and if we do not rate him then tell him and give the bloke a chance to make his name elsewhere rather than treat him the way we do at the moment....
His twitter posts are nothing really contraversial but are to the point,honest,showing disappointment but not singling anyone out for criticism.However if Fonzys post was aimed at Max then that would be out of order as that was patronising and not becoming of a captain of this team.IF it was intended for Max then Fonzy has let himself down by acting on it and is actually making a fool of himself by replying to what he hints was a childish remark made by Max in the first place! Fonzy is a captain and 36yrs of age so should of risen above it and he comes out of it worse in my eyes if it was intended for Max because he should know better! I hope this is just a storm in a teacup and is all sorted by now but if this is true then this would be the 3rd falling out I have witnessed this season involving Fonzy and is becoming too regular.
Max is a fantastic bloke and a more than useful cricketer but I accept the club are using him really as he plays most of our one day matches leading up to the finals but he rarely gets chance to play in one once we are there and then you have this weeks situation.He must get incredibly @#$%& off??!!I hope we can be honest with him and if we do not rate him then tell him and give the bloke a chance to make his name elsewhere rather than treat him the way we do at the moment....
I hope the management ban the players from using these sites, it's quite simple.
It's obvious some of the lads need to take a good look at the example we set here, where it's possible to disagree, argue and still be harmonious at the same time..............
It's obvious some of the lads need to take a good look at the example we set here, where it's possible to disagree, argue and still be harmonious at the same time..............
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I think most of us on here will sympathise with Max as he certainly bowled well in the first match and took a couple of wickets in the 2nd which is why he was picked surely rather than to bowl tight and keep the runs down so can understand his feelings?!
His twitter posts are nothing really contraversial but are to the point,honest,showing disappointment but not singling anyone out for criticism.However if Fonzys post was aimed at Max then that would be out of order as that was patronising and not becoming of a captain of this team.IF it was intended for Max then Fonzy has let himself down by acting on it and is actually making a fool of himself by replying to what he hints was a childish remark made by Max in the first place! Fonzy is a captain and 36yrs of age so should of risen above it and he comes out of it worse in my eyes if it was intended for Max because he should know better! I hope this is just a storm in a teacup and is all sorted by now but if this is true then this would be the 3rd falling out I have witnessed this season involving Fonzy and is becoming too regular.
Max is a fantastic bloke and a more than useful cricketer but I accept the club are using him really as he plays most of our one day matches leading up to the finals but he rarely gets chance to play in one once we are there and then you have this weeks situation.He must get incredibly @#$%& off??!!I hope we can be honest with him and if we do not rate him then tell him and give the bloke a chance to make his name elsewhere rather than treat him the way we do at the moment....
Well Summarised ZH,Max was not happy about leaving , nothing wrong with that (not directed at an individual) The "Captain" felt he had to respond directing his comment at Max
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People disagreeing on cricketing issues is fine,directing personal remarks rather than addressing the substance ,not. Leave that to the non cricketers on the messageboards.
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I don' use twitter. But I wouldn't be surprised if there are not some KKR players/fans/or that owner crying and making excuses about their defeat? In which case Alf could very easily have directed something at them?
Perhaps who gets ejected from the "Big Brother House" could be down to a phone in of us supporters?
Considering how dull, out of necessity, most players' comments usually are in the mainstream media, when in fact all manner of madness must course through the minds of pressurised sportsmen, yet comes out universally as Kremlinesque platitudes, I rather enjoy these fleeting glimpses behind the changing room shower curtains that conceal the naked brains churning away in the steamy mist.
Am I alone here on this sentiment or does anyone know what I'm on about?
Grockle would make a very nice Big Brother voice interrogating poor little Maxy, bless him. As for Steve Snell! The bleeper would be running overtime and red hot.
By the way, my good friend Stockwood Keith reminds that Steve Snell scored 95, not a hundred, before being caught on the boundary in that memorable win at Cheltenham against Middlesex for Glos before getting the Bracewell "ThankyouandGoodbye" greeting card.
My memory tells me Jonathan Lewis came in next and hit the next two and last balls for six to win it. Bonkers!
Also I recall urging Ian Harvey after Glos had won five cups in a row to suggest to SKY TV that Glos play in a Champions World cup of club sides. Ten years or so later it's happening and it's going to be far bigger than the limited IPL.
When's it being held in England?
Considering how dull, out of necessity, most players' comments usually are in the mainstream media, when in fact all manner of madness must course through the minds of pressurised sportsmen, yet comes out universally as Kremlinesque platitudes, I rather enjoy these fleeting glimpses behind the changing room shower curtains that conceal the naked brains churning away in the steamy mist.
Am I alone here on this sentiment or does anyone know what I'm on about?
Grockle would make a very nice Big Brother voice interrogating poor little Maxy, bless him. As for Steve Snell! The bleeper would be running overtime and red hot.
By the way, my good friend Stockwood Keith reminds that Steve Snell scored 95, not a hundred, before being caught on the boundary in that memorable win at Cheltenham against Middlesex for Glos before getting the Bracewell "ThankyouandGoodbye" greeting card.
My memory tells me Jonathan Lewis came in next and hit the next two and last balls for six to win it. Bonkers!
Also I recall urging Ian Harvey after Glos had won five cups in a row to suggest to SKY TV that Glos play in a Champions World cup of club sides. Ten years or so later it's happening and it's going to be far bigger than the limited IPL.
When's it being held in England?
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If he's not a mug, why is he always batted at 11?
Good question which probably sums up the selectors' view of how they use Max. It's one of the reasons why I can't think Max will ever have a future under the current regime. Like so many things, including this forum, life is about opinions, and Max may need to move elsewhere to have his skills appreciated.
Those who see comments blown out of all proportion on here semi regularly can surely agree that disappointment IF posted on such a medium as Twitter should be considered before that posting (how many here have counselled such a policy for Grockles? Type it. Read it. Consider it. Then post it or not).
Unfortunately what happens is that the news is given, the feeling is felt and the person picks up the mobile phone, blasts in 164 characters and hits Tweet!
Most tweets from individuals are ill considered mini rants/squeels of delight.
Alf, as captain, possibly should be more considered and either read his tweet and think "could that be miscinstrued by someone I don't mean" OR talk to the individual in person as the team captain IF the meaning was NOT misconstrued.
You should always try to avoid operating discipline systems via e-mail in any situation. It never works and usually makes the position worse.
But it's done, Max and the non 15 are on their way home or back and the great news is that the rest of the squad are not joining them but preparing to play their first competition game in the next few days.
Unfortunately what happens is that the news is given, the feeling is felt and the person picks up the mobile phone, blasts in 164 characters and hits Tweet!
Most tweets from individuals are ill considered mini rants/squeels of delight.
Alf, as captain, possibly should be more considered and either read his tweet and think "could that be miscinstrued by someone I don't mean" OR talk to the individual in person as the team captain IF the meaning was NOT misconstrued.
You should always try to avoid operating discipline systems via e-mail in any situation. It never works and usually makes the position worse.
But it's done, Max and the non 15 are on their way home or back and the great news is that the rest of the squad are not joining them but preparing to play their first competition game in the next few days.
BJ you not signed up for this Twitter thing then, neither have I, I have no use for it.
What are people called who post on Twitter?
What are people called who post on Twitter?
Would that make those who follow them, re-tweet them and then comment on them sparrowhawks?
Blindly loyal since 1972
Blindly loyal since 1972
Forget all the rumours which have been mentioned here including some I've heard.
MAX has signed for another year, and has a very clear view of what he wants to achieve. Steve Cotton travelled back from India with him {WDP Friday}. MAX comes across as a very mature clear thinking young cricketer.
2012 will be the decision year for him. His goal is regular CC cricket, and he will be prepared to move to get it {Essex and Hants were prepared to take him next year}, as long as he feels he is good enough - a wise and talented young man.
MAX has signed for another year, and has a very clear view of what he wants to achieve. Steve Cotton travelled back from India with him {WDP Friday}. MAX comes across as a very mature clear thinking young cricketer.
2012 will be the decision year for him. His goal is regular CC cricket, and he will be prepared to move to get it {Essex and Hants were prepared to take him next year}, as long as he feels he is good enough - a wise and talented young man.
Well, that sounds like great news (tho ob I should point you seemed keenest to spread those rumours ). I think many (most?) of us would have Max in our 40- and 20-over sides, and occasionally in the 4-day squad at least. I hope he gets more of a chance and recognition next year - but also that he works hard himself to get where he can be.
). I think many (most?) of us would have Max in our 40- and 20-over sides, and occasionally in the 4-day squad at least. I hope he gets more of a chance and recognition next year - but also that he works hard himself to get where he can be.
"Also I recall urging Ian Harvey after Glos had won five cups in a row to suggest to SKY TV that Glos play in a Champions World cup of club sides. Ten years or so later it's happening and it's going to be far bigger than the limited IPL.
When's it being held in England?"
Sadly, William, at least in India itself, the attendance figures do not support the notion that this competition is bigger than the IPL.
I don't think it will ever be held outside India, other than on security grounds, as it's the BCCI's competition?
It was held in South Africa one year, I think, but that was on security grounds.
When's it being held in England?"
Sadly, William, at least in India itself, the attendance figures do not support the notion that this competition is bigger than the IPL.
I don't think it will ever be held outside India, other than on security grounds, as it's the BCCI's competition?
It was held in South Africa one year, I think, but that was on security grounds.
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BJ you not signed up for this Twitter thing then, neither have I, I have no use for it.
What are people called who post on Twitter?
I'll resist the obvious temptation, Mike...
Good!
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If Max has decided definitely to stay, along with Arul (and with GD laso on the books), might we infer that they know that Murali is definitely not staying?
No, SP, I don't believe that drawing that inference is necessarily correct. George is likely to be unavailable quite often. Arul is not a frontline CC bowler, really. And Max has not, hithertofore, been considered by Brian Rose to be a CC bowler either. I am not aware of anything having happened that would (or might) have changed Brian's mind on that score?
However, if it is true that Surrey have offered Kartik a mega-bucks deal, I do personally expect him to leave.
However, if it is true that Surrey have offered Kartik a mega-bucks deal, I do personally expect him to leave.
[quote SheptonPaul]Well, that sounds like great news (tho ob I should point you seemed keenest to spread those rumours ).
Thanks Shep, however the rumours WERE TRUE!! The only difference was that the less forgiving of MAX's supporters {including me} did not appreciate what a gracious, forgiving and understanding soul MAX is!
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Thanks Shep, however the rumours WERE TRUE!! The only difference was that the less forgiving of MAX's supporters {including me} did not appreciate what a gracious, forgiving and understanding soul MAX is!
How do Surrey get round this cap on salary for the whole squad issue? Do they have a tiny squad of highly paid players, are they circumventing the salary with behing the scenese bonuses, or do most clubs come nowhere near the maximum total? Or is it a a bit of a myth that they are actually paying fortunes to their players?
Meanwhile, I've decided we should sign Carberry, Denly and James Taylor to sure up our batting numbers. And bring in Dale Steyn as our overseas player for the year. Simple.
Meanwhile, I've decided we should sign Carberry, Denly and James Taylor to sure up our batting numbers. And bring in Dale Steyn as our overseas player for the year. Simple.
[quote AGod], And Max has not, hithertofore, been considered by Brian Rose to be a CC bowler either. I am not aware of anything having happened that would (or might) have changed Brian's mind on that score?
If what you think was correct, why would BR be wasting money on MAX's salary when his stated priority is the CC?? Your logic is unclear!!!
If what you think was correct, why would BR be wasting money on MAX's salary when his stated priority is the CC?? Your logic is unclear!!!
OB - I can understand you thinking the club don't trust Max enough regarding CC matches / bowling, but what would they gain by batting him lower that his 'talent' merits?
He is nowhere near being an allrounder, and isn't even particularly a 'bowler who bats' yet.
He is nowhere near being an allrounder, and isn't even particularly a 'bowler who bats' yet.
Super news about Max - hope he has a great year in ALL competitions!
My thoughts exactly Barndoorio - how do Warks and Surrey get the reputation as 'big spenders' when there is ostensibly a salary cap. They must have 'back-door sponsors' or something!!?
My thoughts exactly Barndoorio - how do Warks and Surrey get the reputation as 'big spenders' when there is ostensibly a salary cap. They must have 'back-door sponsors' or something!!?
The cap is exactly what it sounds like, I believe. It is a maximum limit. So far as I am aware, there is no obligation for clubs to spend up to this limit - and most clubs probably do not have the resources to do so.
In American Sports - such as the NFL - where there is a salary cap, there is also a minimum spend requirement e.g. all teams must spend to at least 90% of the wage cap. But then those sports also have revenue sharing agreements which help to make the playing field a bit more even than it would otherwise be.
In American Sports - such as the NFL - where there is a salary cap, there is also a minimum spend requirement e.g. all teams must spend to at least 90% of the wage cap. But then those sports also have revenue sharing agreements which help to make the playing field a bit more even than it would otherwise be.
SLC
Please post names of last 9,10 or jacks who have made 200 and 100 in same season, even in 2nd XI {or even Tillingford village team come to that}, but could't justify description of at least even minor allrounder!! If he isn't a bowler that bats, tell him because he might think you're a poster that can't think!! IMO of course!
Please post names of last 9,10 or jacks who have made 200 and 100 in same season, even in 2nd XI {or even Tillingford village team come to that}, but could't justify description of at least even minor allrounder!! If he isn't a bowler that bats, tell him because he might think you're a poster that can't think!! IMO of course!
So is the wage cap thing almost an irelevance? is it just to prevent something along the lines of a Man City scenario whereby I could win the lottery, go out & sign 20 of the best players on megabucks & end up with a have/have not scenario which is now the case in football. I love football, but equally I love the fact that in cricket, you don't know who the top few teams are going to be before a ball has been bowled.
So are the likes of Surrey are able to spend closer to the wage cap because of income from hosting test matches & the like?
To what degree are Somerset benefiting from repeatedly reaching finals & things like the CLT? Is the prize money mostly going to the club or mostly going out in bonuses?
And, if we are going to challenge for CC next year rather than accepting some players will need a year to really establish themselves, who are we going to bring in & who are we going to release to make way for them?
So are the likes of Surrey are able to spend closer to the wage cap because of income from hosting test matches & the like?
To what degree are Somerset benefiting from repeatedly reaching finals & things like the CLT? Is the prize money mostly going to the club or mostly going out in bonuses?
And, if we are going to challenge for CC next year rather than accepting some players will need a year to really establish themselves, who are we going to bring in & who are we going to release to make way for them?
[quote old boy!][quote AGod], And Max has not, hithertofore, been considered by Brian Rose to be a CC bowler either. I am not aware of anything having happened that would (or might) have changed Brian's mind on that score?
If what you think was correct, why would BR be wasting money on MAX's salary when his stated priority is the CC?? Your logic is unclear!!![/quote]
Well, Old Boy, my logic is that Brian has said that Max needs to turn his leg-break more to be a CC threat and that Max has hardly ever been picked in the CC team. Unless I've missed something then, until today, you yourself were saying that he'd "never been given a chance."
It could easily be the case that Brian rates Max as a one-day bowler and that Max is "cheap," enough, wages wise, to justify having him on the books chiefly for short form cricket.
If what you think was correct, why would BR be wasting money on MAX's salary when his stated priority is the CC?? Your logic is unclear!!![/quote]
Well, Old Boy, my logic is that Brian has said that Max needs to turn his leg-break more to be a CC threat and that Max has hardly ever been picked in the CC team. Unless I've missed something then, until today, you yourself were saying that he'd "never been given a chance."
It could easily be the case that Brian rates Max as a one-day bowler and that Max is "cheap," enough, wages wise, to justify having him on the books chiefly for short form cricket.
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So is the wage cap thing almost an irelevance? is it just to prevent something along the lines of a Man City scenario whereby I could win the lottery, go out & sign 20 of the best players on megabucks & end up with a have/have not scenario which is now the case in football. I love football, but equally I love the fact that in cricket, you don't know who the top few teams are going to be before a ball has been bowled.
So are the likes of Surrey are able to spend closer to the wage cap because of income from hosting test matches & the like?
To what degree are Somerset benefiting from repeatedly reaching finals & things like the CLT? Is the prize money mostly going to the club or mostly going out in bonuses?
And, if we are going to challenge for CC next year rather than accepting some players will need a year to really establish themselves, who are we going to bring in & who are we going to release to make way for them?
I believe that it is generally the case that prize monies are mostly paid out to the players (by the club) in the form of a bonus pool. I doubt any such arrangement exists in terms of gate receipts, though, which would come to the club (e.g. from Pro 40 semi at home to Durham.)
If we are lucky, Bath Bob might comment on this..
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When's it being held in England?"
Sadly, William, at least in India itself, the attendance figures do not support the notion that this competition is bigger than the IPL.
I don't think it will ever be held outside India, other than on security grounds, as it's the BCCI's competition?
It was held in South Africa one year, I think, but that was on security grounds.
The Australian and South African cricket authorities are also shareholders. i expect, the competition will soon rotate between these 3 nations. And, as it becomes more successful, the ECB and other authorities will become shareholders and the venues will increase.
This may happen over a 10 year period, but i'm pretty sure this is the future of the competition.
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OB - Jason Gillespie has a TEST double hundred for a start!
Yes fine! I saw him at Taunton - the Aussies batted down a long
way with only McGrath being a true 9, 10 or Jack.
That's exactly right about the wage cap, as I briefly explained a few weeks ago, albeit rather clumsily....posting in the middle of a band practice is fraught with danger.
Here's an article that explains it a bit better;
WAGE CAP
Here's an article that explains it a bit better;
WAGE CAP
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Many thanks BJ
Based on those figures
the cheapskate counties {who don't have much dosh and paid minimum salaries} would have £1260K to pay the rest of the squad while
The Surreys {if they paid top wack} might have only £820K for the rest of the squad
Do the published accounts for Somerset show how much we spent last year on player wages? Any idea how near we have been?
I am assuming that it's a case that we just aren't near that cap at all.
When we add Daley Steyn and get Trott and Bell to move from England to Somerset then it'll increase our wage bill considerably.
I am assuming that it's a case that we just aren't near that cap at all.
When we add Daley Steyn and get Trott and Bell to move from England to Somerset then it'll increase our wage bill considerably.
Third highest wage bill in the land, I believe. Or at least it was in the 2010 season. I don't know what the exact level of that bill was.
I wondered that the other day when somebody said the cap was £1.8m so I looked it up, I did not post it because it was not straight forward.
It was under the heading.
Playing cost.
Salaries and Associated cost.
£2008051.00 for 2010
It doesn’t really tell us much.
It was under the heading.
Playing cost.
Salaries and Associated cost.
£2008051.00 for 2010
It doesn’t really tell us much.
Well, I'd say that's your answer, Mike, or at least part of it. Suspect that figure includes things like pension payments etc, on top of salaries, assuming we pay such things?
It would also be interesting to know whether that figure includes bonus payments, or whether they would have been listed separately in the accounts.
It would also be interesting to know whether that figure includes bonus payments, or whether they would have been listed separately in the accounts.
That could potentially include travel, accomodation, food, cost of the ground staff, kit, cricket balls?
Anything that leads to us playing a game.
Anything that leads to us playing a game.
First game in our group is under way.
Neither of the competing teams, Bangalore or the Warriors look unbeatable, on paper. And we already know that KKR are not.
Neither of the competing teams, Bangalore or the Warriors look unbeatable, on paper. And we already know that KKR are not.
Surprisingly, at least to me, Adil Rashid is in the South Australia squad for this event.
As with Pollard, Rashid was one of their better performers in the big bash - presumably he hoped a good performnce may have seen him picked for England in the ODI's or World cup if Swan or Yardy had got injured...
For the gamblers amongst you, PT is currently 4/6 to be top tournament team batsman for us. Not sure if that includes the qualifiers. If not Jos looks interesting at 9-1 albeit with one (?) less potential start.
I'd be taking T & T at 11 to 1 to win the tournament - looks a cracking price, that.
With Pete it depends where they bat him.
I'd give him his head and stick him in with the message that it does not matter if it does not come off - he is so aggrressive when he is allowed to be.
And when it does come off......
I'd give him his head and stick him in with the message that it does not matter if it does not come off - he is so aggrressive when he is allowed to be.
And when it does come off......
After Sunday, with the return of Craig K and Jos there might be a bit more scope for that to happen?
As it was the other day, Pete played very sensibly and seems to have enjoyed playing the responsible, almost anchor type role (based on his comments after the fact.)
As it was the other day, Pete played very sensibly and seems to have enjoyed playing the responsible, almost anchor type role (based on his comments after the fact.)
I'm talking about opening with him and giving him his head.
His first 5 overs were certainly not as an anchor. He then settled into that to some extent because RvdM took over the belligerance but Pete can do that once he has himself set.
He's better at the front end explosion than Craig K is IMHO.
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His first 5 overs were certainly not as an anchor. He then settled into that to some extent because RvdM took over the belligerance but Pete can do that once he has himself set.
He's better at the front end explosion than Craig K is IMHO.
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Yet another thrilling game from the Champions League with the South African Warriors beating the much fancied Indian team (from Bengal?) off the last ball.
Somehow the 20 20game from the Oval seems quite pointless and rather overshadowed by the Champions League but nothing annoys Lords more than a club game stealing the limelight from their mighty "England" Franchise to which all must bow and then be sacrificied.
Come on Somerset!(as Glos supporter)
Fixtures of CL
[www.espncricinfo.com]
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Somehow the 20 20game from the Oval seems quite pointless and rather overshadowed by the Champions League but nothing annoys Lords more than a club game stealing the limelight from their mighty "England" Franchise to which all must bow and then be sacrificied.
Come on Somerset!(as Glos supporter)
Fixtures of CL
[www.espncricinfo.com]
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I have to say I'm relieved that Craig seems to be throttling back a bit these days. When I was at lords for a t20 last year Iwas high up in a stand and it was really clear just how much space there is on the edge of the circle when the power play is on. It struck me then that it makes sense to find the gaps with fours on the ground as opposed to hoiking for sixes . Three fours gives the same as two sixes without the risk. And that's 12 an over after all. Simples !
I'm wondering where Sachin Tendulkar and all those poor injured Indian players have been banished to if they are not even allowed in the country if they aren't in their team's magic 15 list?
Of course, I am avoiding the current series of Big Brother (one of my personal rules in life, mainly because I like to pretend I have one) so perhaps they are all in there.
Of course, I am avoiding the current series of Big Brother (one of my personal rules in life, mainly because I like to pretend I have one) so perhaps they are all in there.
Excellent summing up on the Max situation from Steve Cotton in the WDP today.
Under the heading "Puzzling why Waller is on his way home" he queries publicly what a lot of us think privately about the hierachy of our playing set up.
I have spoken to a few people and we all agree that our coaching staff have been guilty of muddled thinking throughout this season and probably the last few seasons.
We have a situation now where we have one of our most dangerous looking bowlers (I accept he bowls a lot of boundary balls but he is a strike bowler and partnership breaker) is on the flight home form India after playing 2 games out of 2.Due to the restrictions on foreigners etc we have a few players out there that are unlikely to get any action (unless they play in our last couple of games if we are already out) but someone who has played a full part in 2 games out of 2 is going home??!! Did anyone at our coaching set up actually sit down and think of a strategy before the tournament and think what our likely side would be with restrictions etc?
It smacks of being amateurish really and I can see why Max is upset as he wasn`t even in the original 15 we named I believe ?!! The final line from Steve Cotton "Waller has never let Somerset down but at some point they need to repay the favour" says what a lot of people think..
We have the best generation of players at the club for 30 years but we are wasting the talent at our disposal if we don`t pick up some silverware and I believe the players have massive talent but they are being let down by the coaching/management if this episode is anything to go by....
The players have enough talent to win this tournament so come on Lads!!
Under the heading "Puzzling why Waller is on his way home" he queries publicly what a lot of us think privately about the hierachy of our playing set up.
I have spoken to a few people and we all agree that our coaching staff have been guilty of muddled thinking throughout this season and probably the last few seasons.
We have a situation now where we have one of our most dangerous looking bowlers (I accept he bowls a lot of boundary balls but he is a strike bowler and partnership breaker) is on the flight home form India after playing 2 games out of 2.Due to the restrictions on foreigners etc we have a few players out there that are unlikely to get any action (unless they play in our last couple of games if we are already out) but someone who has played a full part in 2 games out of 2 is going home??!! Did anyone at our coaching set up actually sit down and think of a strategy before the tournament and think what our likely side would be with restrictions etc?
It smacks of being amateurish really and I can see why Max is upset as he wasn`t even in the original 15 we named I believe ?!! The final line from Steve Cotton "Waller has never let Somerset down but at some point they need to repay the favour" says what a lot of people think..
We have the best generation of players at the club for 30 years but we are wasting the talent at our disposal if we don`t pick up some silverware and I believe the players have massive talent but they are being let down by the coaching/management if this episode is anything to go by....
The players have enough talent to win this tournament so come on Lads!!
Quote:Steve Cotton is 100% correct along with ZH, Be careful Steve you will get the cold shoulder from the Clubs hierachy, Some local journos are scared to write what they really think or what happens at the club for fear of not getting any info from the club and potentially no longer reporting at Taunton. As far as coaching and management is concerned, there's enough of them on the payroll at the county ground to get the best out of individual players and the squadZyder head
Excellent summing up on the Max situation from Steve Cotton in the WDP today.
Under the heading "Puzzling why Waller is on his way home" he queries publicly what a lot of us think privately about the hierachy of our playing set up.
I have spoken to a few people and we all agree that our coaching staff have been guilty of muddled thinking throughout this season and probably the last few seasons.
We have a situation now where we have one of our most dangerous looking bowlers (I accept he bowls a lot of boundary balls but he is a strike bowler and partnership breaker) is on the flight home form India after playing 2 games out of 2.Due to the restrictions on foreigners etc we have a few players out there that are unlikely to get any action (unless they play in our last couple of games if we are already out) but someone who has played a full part in 2 games out of 2 is going home??!! Did anyone at our coaching set up actually sit down and think of a strategy before the tournament and think what our likely side would be with restrictions etc?
It smacks of being amateurish really and I can see why Max is upset as he wasn`t even in the original 15 we named I believe ?!! The final line from Steve Cotton "Waller has never let Somerset down but at some point they need to repay the favour" says what a lot of people think..
We have the best generation of players at the club for 30 years but we are wasting the talent at our disposal if we don`t pick up some silverware and I believe the players have massive talent but they are being let down by the coaching/management if this episode is anything to go by....
The players have enough talent to win this tournament so come on Lads!!
...or the management has worked out a strategy and they do know exactly what they're doing! We just might not agree with it, or know what it is.
It's always been a favourite press tactic in all sports - if the media or commentator doesn't understand what's going on, they claim that the manager/coach/captain doesn't know what's going on, is guilty of muddled thinking or hasn't got a plan.
I don't know whether this is the case with Max or not, but just because we haven't seen the plan, doesn't mean they don't have one.
It's always been a favourite press tactic in all sports - if the media or commentator doesn't understand what's going on, they claim that the manager/coach/captain doesn't know what's going on, is guilty of muddled thinking or hasn't got a plan.
I don't know whether this is the case with Max or not, but just because we haven't seen the plan, doesn't mean they don't have one.
Shepton Paul.
I am capable of forming an opinion of my own and as anybody who knows me I spend far too much time watching cricket possibly! I have seen nearly every days play at the county ground this year and several away games so I am not just reading what some journo is writing and believe it to be the truth.
My friends and I had a conversation with Kieron Pollard after his first T20 match back in the uk this season.Max also made his first appearance T20 in the same game I think and as he walked past I said "Well bowled today Max,nice to see you given a chance" Polly was gobsmacked and couldn`t believe it was Maxs first T20 match and said what injury have you had? When Max replied he was out of favour Polly genuinely could not believe it....
I have no connection to Max other than speaking to him and all the players at the games but he has been treated poorly by the club imo as he always seems to be the fall guy but credit to him,he has signed for another year and is determined to prove himself worth a regular spot in the team when other players would take a 2 year contract offer from elsewhere and not look back.
My muddled thinking theory is based on lots of things but I think the complaining about the turn around in the T20 then batting second and also batting first in the Pro40 Final last week when rain was forecast for the afternoon are enough evidence.....
It doesn`t dim my confidence in the players though,it enhances it really as they have got to so many finals despite not having the leadership they deserve
I am capable of forming an opinion of my own and as anybody who knows me I spend far too much time watching cricket possibly! I have seen nearly every days play at the county ground this year and several away games so I am not just reading what some journo is writing and believe it to be the truth.
My friends and I had a conversation with Kieron Pollard after his first T20 match back in the uk this season.Max also made his first appearance T20 in the same game I think and as he walked past I said "Well bowled today Max,nice to see you given a chance" Polly was gobsmacked and couldn`t believe it was Maxs first T20 match and said what injury have you had? When Max replied he was out of favour Polly genuinely could not believe it....
I have no connection to Max other than speaking to him and all the players at the games but he has been treated poorly by the club imo as he always seems to be the fall guy but credit to him,he has signed for another year and is determined to prove himself worth a regular spot in the team when other players would take a 2 year contract offer from elsewhere and not look back.
My muddled thinking theory is based on lots of things but I think the complaining about the turn around in the T20 then batting second and also batting first in the Pro40 Final last week when rain was forecast for the afternoon are enough evidence.....
It doesn`t dim my confidence in the players though,it enhances it really as they have got to so many finals despite not having the leadership they deserve
Can anyone tell me how many times George Dockerell has played for Somerset this season, and what if any performances he has had to justify apparently being so well thought of by the management.
10 times in all formats (including the West Indies Jaunt).
Performance wise Dockrell beats Waller in Pro 40. He only played 1 T20 game so that is hard to judge.
My extremely amatuer scouting eye simply tells me he is a better bowler. He gets turn, he flights it and can decieve in the air. He has got world class batsman out in ODI's on the subcontinent.
It's no slight on Max, but i'd pick George too.
Performance wise Dockrell beats Waller in Pro 40. He only played 1 T20 game so that is hard to judge.
My extremely amatuer scouting eye simply tells me he is a better bowler. He gets turn, he flights it and can decieve in the air. He has got world class batsman out in ODI's on the subcontinent.
It's no slight on Max, but i'd pick George too.
George has an excellent future and I can see why the club are keen to get him out there but my logic would of seen him replace one of the "drinks carriers" in the squad (the role Max normally performs so well ;-) rather than someone that had played 2 out of 2 and played well! (I know that Max was going to be replaced anyway but what role are Barrow or Dibble likely to play in all honesty apart from dead rubber matches at the end so shouldn`t they of been nominated??)
George has already bowled well for Somerset this season and is a tremendous talent as he has a classical action,cood control and gets bounce from his height. I fear though that he will look to play for England in the future and he is probably already on their radar? If he continues his development then he will likely never play a full season for Somerset due to International call ups
George has already bowled well for Somerset this season and is a tremendous talent as he has a classical action,cood control and gets bounce from his height. I fear though that he will look to play for England in the future and he is probably already on their radar? If he continues his development then he will likely never play a full season for Somerset due to International call ups
Pleased to hear that Max has signed again.
I'd like to see both GD & Max bowling in tandem for us in the Championship next year.
(Hopefully) MK will be on his way so if we can get Max & George working together, that would be a welcome prospect indeed.
It would also give more flexibility to our attack hopefully.
Grizzzly
I'd like to see both GD & Max bowling in tandem for us in the Championship next year.
(Hopefully) MK will be on his way so if we can get Max & George working together, that would be a welcome prospect indeed.
It would also give more flexibility to our attack hopefully.
Grizzzly
I quite agree, Grizzzly. Waller and Dockrell are very different types of bowlers and should not be competing for places. A final five in the batting order of Trego, Thomas, Dockrell, Waller and Kirby would be a very good mix in my opinion. And we could open with a top six of Tresocothick, Compton, Hildreth, Buttler, Kieswetter and Suppiah.
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Quote:averageside
....Some local journos are scared to write what they really think or what happens at the club for fear of not getting any info from the club and potentially no longer reporting at Taunton...
Well I've worked in the press box for the last 7 or 8 seasons Average and it's the first I've heard of it.
Usually it's the club falling over itself to accommodate the journalists and the local ones have a very good relationship with the club...and know where to go for the info if the club are being cagey.
Maybe they aren't reporting things because they aren't stories? I'm running through the local journalists trying to put the 'shrinking violet' characteristic on one of them....can't find an appropriate choice I'm afraid.
[quote Loyal of Lhasa.]I quite agree, Grizzzly. Waller and Dockrell are very different types of bowlers and should not be competing for places. A final five in the batting order of Trego, Thomas, Dockrell, Waller and Kirby would be a very good mix in my opinion.
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Welcome to the 'spinners supporters club'. We are the future!!!!
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Welcome to the 'spinners supporters club'. We are the future!!!!
For those of us who worried about Max's future at Somerset need worry no more, Mr Rose says on the other site. -
Brian added: "Max did exceptionally well in the 2 games we have played in the champions league which will stand him in good stead for the 2012 season with Somerset.
So there you are.
Brian added: "Max did exceptionally well in the 2 games we have played in the champions league which will stand him in good stead for the 2012 season with Somerset.
So there you are.
Zyder Head - I might be wrong but if you are right and GD wants to play for England, then I believe he has to play 2 full seasons in the domestic game before he qualifies.
Ian Chappell's views on the Champions League qualifiers - only one team, and one player, are mentioned by name!
It pains me to say it, but I agree with him - especially the bit about the pitches/boundaries etc.
[www.espncricinfo.com]
It pains me to say it, but I agree with him - especially the bit about the pitches/boundaries etc.
[www.espncricinfo.com]
Well he's right that we are a revelation, some English counties have yet to realise how good we wan be when we are.
I'm sure he'll have some words to say tonight about his one to watch going home..but he may have george to watch instead and he can be a bit of a revelation himself.
Let's hope he continues to praise us and doesn't get to see the other side of the Somerset coin. If that happens then more than one side in this tournament may have some trepidation when we appear on their fixture sheet.
It's all good extra fun and does the county no harm whatsoever.
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I'm sure he'll have some words to say tonight about his one to watch going home..but he may have george to watch instead and he can be a bit of a revelation himself.
Let's hope he continues to praise us and doesn't get to see the other side of the Somerset coin. If that happens then more than one side in this tournament may have some trepidation when we appear on their fixture sheet.
It's all good extra fun and does the county no harm whatsoever.
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Hopefully to clear up one point Max is quoted in the cricinfo preview of todays game saying he knew he would be leaving after the qualifiers.
Quote:Bagpuss
Ian Chappell's views on the Champions League qualifiers - only one team, and one player, are mentioned by name!
It pains me to say it, but I agree with him - especially the bit about the pitches/boundaries etc.
[www.espncricinfo.com]
This article should be pinned on BR's office wall! IMO!!! Allegedly!!!
Thanks Bagpuss for the link.
I like Max's photo and this bit -
Then there were the surprises. Somerset were a revelation. They played aggressive cricket, their batsmen successfully attacked the spinners without constantly resorting to the sweep shot, and they have a good young legspinner in Max Waller.
You know the cricket world is in a state of flux when England is producing legspinners and Australia, the land of Shane Warne, Bill O'Reilly and Richie Benaud, can't unearth one
I like Max's photo and this bit -
Then there were the surprises. Somerset were a revelation. They played aggressive cricket, their batsmen successfully attacked the spinners without constantly resorting to the sweep shot, and they have a good young legspinner in Max Waller.
You know the cricket world is in a state of flux when England is producing legspinners and Australia, the land of Shane Warne, Bill O'Reilly and Richie Benaud, can't unearth one
I've just flicked through my TV guide to see what time the coverage starts at it seems to say 4:00pm, anyone else seen this? Presumably this means the first 8 overs or so of the first innings wont be covered by Eurosport, if so that's a bit annoying
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I've just flicked through my TV guide to see what time the coverage starts at it seems to say 4:00pm, anyone else seen this? Presumably this means the first 8 overs or so of the first innings wont be covered by Eurosport, if so that's a bit annoying
if that's the case, it should be available via live-streaming, online.
Champions League T20 live
I saw that - although I'd check if its on at the time, as Eurosport don't seem to line up their programme names with what's actually showing at the time!
Some lovely posts, Zyder.
Let's hope Max is given a proper chance to show what he can do next yer; when he first burst onto the scene a few seasons ago I thought we'd unearthed a real gem.
I just hope somebody takes his mobile phone off him.
Let's hope Max is given a proper chance to show what he can do next yer; when he first burst onto the scene a few seasons ago I thought we'd unearthed a real gem.
I just hope somebody takes his mobile phone off him.
No, but Gregory has found a wicket in his first over.
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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How ironic that Lewis flies home too after this game..one by one all our successful wicket takers are leaving the competition!
From the Cricinfo text commentary:
3.2 Trego to Kallis, 1 run, Kallis uses the bowler's face and steers the ball towards third man
Pete may try to get his own back!
3.2 Trego to Kallis, 1 run, Kallis uses the bowler's face and steers the ball towards third man
Pete may try to get his own back!
I'm watching it here [www.crictime.com] (server 3 seemed to be about 20 minutes behind the game)
I did make a mistake thinking when G Gambhir was out first ball I thought Gregory had two in two balls, I forgot the batsman must have crossed when he took his first wicket.
Heh, commentary team asking why RVdM doesn't play tests or get 4 day matches for his team, loving his commitment and fielding.
Oh well Eurosport it is then. Can get it on laptop as have sky multiroom. But mobile broadband struggles to cope with live video streaming. And heaven knows what my bill will end up totalling - have gone over my 3GB monthly allowance already this month (and I only watched the 2nd qualifier match!!)
For anyone searching for a decent stream online try this one [www.cricket-365.info]
Another record for Arul, though.
Most runs off an over in this competition.
Most runs off an over in this competition.
[quote Streeter]For anyone searching for a decent stream online try this one [www.cricket-365.info][/quote
Very bad idea, Streeter. That channel showed Arul being hit for four consecutive sixes and then cut out. It was obviously the wrong channel.
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Very bad idea, Streeter. That channel showed Arul being hit for four consecutive sixes and then cut out. It was obviously the wrong channel.
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
That fateful Arul over is likely to prove the difference, I fear.
Not likely to be easy against Shakib and Abdullah on the turning track. We will need to take a very heavy toll of the extra pace of Brett Lee, I would think.
Not likely to be easy against Shakib and Abdullah on the turning track. We will need to take a very heavy toll of the extra pace of Brett Lee, I would think.
The thing about it is it is a re-feed of eurosport as opposed to some indian station
Quote:Naxxar
How ironic that Lewis flies home too after this game..one by one all our successful wicket takers are leaving the competition!
Is this true? Have we really nominated Lewis to leave?
Just need someone to play a Kallis innings (start conservatively, gradual acceleration, bat through) and another to play a Pathan innings (see ball, hit ball).
Sounds like a job for Trego and RvdM!
But seriously, one area where Somerset may pick up runs is by turning singles into twos. KKR scored very few twos - maybe because JK did bat through he's not exactly whippet-like!
Sounds like a job for Trego and RvdM!
But seriously, one area where Somerset may pick up runs is by turning singles into twos. KKR scored very few twos - maybe because JK did bat through he's not exactly whippet-like!
Yes, that over was a huge blow and gave them impetus. I'm not sure why he didn't stick with Dockers. Arul's 4 six balls seemed to be pitched in the slot each time, very perplexing. Still a magnificent effort against some top players. Now we need a strong PP.
Edited as I've just spotted Docker's bowled his full allocation!
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Edited as I've just spotted Docker's bowled his full allocation!
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Was I alone in being slightly baffled by some of Alfie's bowling choices? It's easy, of course, to be wise after the event, but I was a bit surprised to see Arul brought on at all when we'd already used six bowlers, all of whom had done quite reasonably well. And I cannot understand why Lewis didn't bowl any more after an outstanding first two.
It looks like the three 'duffers' nominated before the trip by BR and AH could be three potential MOMs. Now puts extra pressure on the replacements KIESWETTER JOS and GEORGE to save the selectors' blushes!!
I don't understand GREGORY being judged better than KIRBS but being on the plane home - one would have assumed that the two (excuding SNELL) nominated were only there to carry drinks, because if they were successful you would want to hang on to them.
I don't understand GREGORY being judged better than KIRBS but being on the plane home - one would have assumed that the two (excuding SNELL) nominated were only there to carry drinks, because if they were successful you would want to hang on to them.
You have to say RvdM has been an inspired signing by Brian Rose.
I'd be more than happy to see us 'gamble' & have him next year for the Championship as well as the one dayers !
Grizzzly
I'd be more than happy to see us 'gamble' & have him next year for the Championship as well as the one dayers !
Grizzzly
I agree, Grizzzly, and propose that we start the CC season as soon as the lads have won everything in India.
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Fantastic innings by RvdM.
Come on lads - banish the gremlins & finish them off.
Grizzzly
Come on lads - banish the gremlins & finish them off.
Grizzzly
Magnificent win!
Three wins out of three and Jos and Craig K to come...
Superb stuff.
Three wins out of three and Jos and Craig K to come...
Superb stuff.
Easy this game isn't it!!
Well done VDM, Trigger and Compo in the chase.
Well done VDM, Trigger and Compo in the chase.
A quick question when did compton become such a good T20 batsman?
great boundary to finish it
great boundary to finish it
Very well done Somerset.
Onwards and upwards. I am delighted for everyone.
Onwards and upwards. I am delighted for everyone.
Congrats on a great result Somerset.
(Bl**dy internet streaming froze at 3 needed off the last 5 balls !).
Well done also to Steve Snell for keeping his nerve. What an amazing journey he's had in the last few weeks - the experience of a lifetime !
Grizzzly
(Bl**dy internet streaming froze at 3 needed off the last 5 balls !).
Well done also to Steve Snell for keeping his nerve. What an amazing journey he's had in the last few weeks - the experience of a lifetime !
Grizzzly
How good is this team, just how good?
I'm sure everyone is thrilled by this historic result, we may as well go on and win the thing now.
I'm sure everyone is thrilled by this historic result, we may as well go on and win the thing now.
Well done to all.
What a difference a year makes in the cricketing life of NRDC.
Whatever the statistics tell us, I find it difficult to imagine that RvdM would not do well for us in the County Championship. He seems such a sensible, adaptable player.
What a difference a year makes in the cricketing life of NRDC.
Whatever the statistics tell us, I find it difficult to imagine that RvdM would not do well for us in the County Championship. He seems such a sensible, adaptable player.
Brilliant win, superbly set up by the bowlers and by Roelof and Trigger. Never in doubt. PS On Cricinfo, Wasim Akram (KKR coach/staff?) said 130-140 would be plenty to defend.
Blindly loyal since 1972
Blindly loyal since 1972
And as for Gregory flying home, I presume that's because they thought he'd only be fit to bat. In which case he wouldn't merit his place - his bowling today was fantastic though.
Turned off the CricInfo text commentary after someone commented during RvdM's innings along the lines of 'yet another Protea to save the English'.
Er, just two words. Jaques. Kallis.
Er, just two words. Jaques. Kallis.
The squad was nominated before the ODI call ups I think, hence why Max, Waller & Snell are now on way home/or are at home.
Do wonder if Kirby is a wasted space because he's not really going to be effective on any of the tracks out there.
Do wonder if Kirby is a wasted space because he's not really going to be effective on any of the tracks out there.
Interesting how KKR didn't celebrate so much tonight. Same result as Wednesday after all!!
Re Compo I had the distinct impression that he had a shift half way through the season . Guess not being picked in the t20s led to a different attitude. Not doing too badly now is he ?!
Who is going home? Max has gone and in comes Dockers,Jos/Craig in for Snell and who?
Is it Gregory? I would have kept him and sent Jones home.
Anyway what a fantastic result,these boys are a serious outfit and 1 day yes 1 day we will win something!!#BLACKBIRD
COACH
Is it Gregory? I would have kept him and sent Jones home.
Anyway what a fantastic result,these boys are a serious outfit and 1 day yes 1 day we will win something!!#BLACKBIRD
COACH
I am liking the way we are playing at the moment and the vibe that is evident with all players. (including the ones not playing)
It is a shame that the unit is being broken up in that sense but there is no reason why we can't continue our great run.
Does anyone know if there is any financial reward for winning matches? (as there is in UEFA's CL)
It is a shame that the unit is being broken up in that sense but there is no reason why we can't continue our great run.
Does anyone know if there is any financial reward for winning matches? (as there is in UEFA's CL)
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Can we play you every week?
Weirdly, we may still have to beat them again to win the tournament!
With England's first tour game on (i believe) 3rd Oct, will Jos & Craig have to leave us again before the final stages? If so will these guys be shipped back in?
Fabulous performance today and in this tournament so far, we are so good and this experience is going to do the young players so much good. Spirit looks great, Kirbs hasn't bowled a ball yet and is unlikely to but looks like an excited schoolboy on the bench.
Edit to correct typo error
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Another top-notch effort by Somerset. Shows what can be achieved by strong team spirit and determination against supposedly better opponents.
RVDM has got to be signed as our overseas player for T20 at least. I would suggest in preference to another high-profile choice. Pete Trego continues to impress but everyone has played their part.
My only regret was that I missed seeing the KKR owner and his reaction to the result. My wife thinks he was at home topping up his Botox.
RVDM has got to be signed as our overseas player for T20 at least. I would suggest in preference to another high-profile choice. Pete Trego continues to impress but everyone has played their part.
My only regret was that I missed seeing the KKR owner and his reaction to the result. My wife thinks he was at home topping up his Botox.
England leave for India on the 3rd October. They have two 50-over warm up matches in Hyderabad on the 8th and 11th October. The first ODI is also at Hyderabad on the 14th October.
Would like to think the ECB will think playing competitive cricket in India is good acclimatisation for, er, competitive cricket in India. As against just fielding for England.
Would like to think the ECB will think playing competitive cricket in India is good acclimatisation for, er, competitive cricket in India. As against just fielding for England.
No more espn streaming for me; it cut out every few balls and eventually all access to the internet was denied for the rest of the match. So I had to wait for a chance mention of the result during the commentary from The Oval.
Compton can safely be regarded as a mature and cricketer (save for his perilous running) and seems the ideal man to steer us home when things get tricky.
We certainly have the winning habit now and long may it continue.
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Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Compton can safely be regarded as a mature and cricketer (save for his perilous running) and seems the ideal man to steer us home when things get tricky.
We certainly have the winning habit now and long may it continue.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
I missed the match. It seems that this is yet another to add to the long list of magnificent performances.
Brian Rose (and his contacts in South Africa) should take great credit for picking RvdM as an overseas player.
I though that Kartik bowled beautifully in the first match against KKR; and I see that he had very good figures again today.
Brian Rose (and his contacts in South Africa) should take great credit for picking RvdM as an overseas player.
I though that Kartik bowled beautifully in the first match against KKR; and I see that he had very good figures again today.
Excellent result and performance by the sounds of things and I am really looking forward to watching the replays later!
I am pleased for Ruly that his 30 run over didn`t cost us the game as 30 run overs do tend to make that difference in result and good bowlers do go for runs like that sometimes (stuart broad in SA against India) but it doesn`t make them bad bowlers overnight.
I would now like to think we are building a big team spirit and Roly must be a shoe in for T20 in England next year for us and maybe we can get away without another overseas player in that tournament and back our younger players to continue the high energy fielding etc and save some dosh too!!...
If it is true that George would have to spend 2 full seasons with us to qualify for England then I look forward to them already
I am pleased for Ruly that his 30 run over didn`t cost us the game as 30 run overs do tend to make that difference in result and good bowlers do go for runs like that sometimes (stuart broad in SA against India) but it doesn`t make them bad bowlers overnight.
I would now like to think we are building a big team spirit and Roly must be a shoe in for T20 in England next year for us and maybe we can get away without another overseas player in that tournament and back our younger players to continue the high energy fielding etc and save some dosh too!!...
If it is true that George would have to spend 2 full seasons with us to qualify for England then I look forward to them already
This win was very impressive. Compton has become a new man and has been commented earlier Kirby looks so enthusiastic as squad reserve that it says a lot about the team. Fine team performance. Sign RvDM, knight Pete and get ready for Saturday.
There was one BIG difference in Compo last night....he didn't try the reverse sweep. But that last shot was sooo cool. Got the second half of this game and again finished with the KKR supporting Indian caretaker letting me watch the last few balls and having to see us put his side to the sword again for the scond time in a week.
Have to say I was very impressed with Brett Lee...he is still a bowler of some significant quality albeit in a much shortened form of the game.
Have to say I was very impressed with Brett Lee...he is still a bowler of some significant quality albeit in a much shortened form of the game.
I wonder if anyone in India supports Somerset. It's quite surreal as when we hit a boundary or take a wicket the ground goes almost silent, apart from the joy of the Somerset team.
T20 proves that if you have skill, energy, team spirit, nouse and a bit of luck, anything is possible.
T20 proves that if you have skill, energy, team spirit, nouse and a bit of luck, anything is possible.
Norwich SCCC: for prize money, I refer you to this page:
CL T20 2011 prize money
1 lakh rupees = 100,000 rupees
1 crore rupees = 10 million rupees
£1 = 76 rupees
CL T20 prize money = ££££££££$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!
CL T20 2011 prize money
1 lakh rupees = 100,000 rupees
1 crore rupees = 10 million rupees
£1 = 76 rupees
CL T20 prize money = ££££££££$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!
Agree with GM's observation about Kirby. I noticed in the first KKR match that at one point he came on in between overs and was actually giving Pete a towel down not just handing him the towel. What a great guy and the epitome of a real team player.
Don't think I'll tire of watching that reverse sweep for six any time soon.
Kirbs is a great bloke.
First met him along with a few of my mates (when we had drunk too much cider...) after the Gloucester T20 match at Taunton last season.We were having a bit of banter with the Glos boys on the outfield (Lewis,Kirbs and Anthony Ireland) which was all good humoured.We invited them all back to the Long room after the game to buy them a beer as compensation for them having to play for such a poor side!!To our surprise after the game Ireland and Kirbs came back to the long room and my mate set to work on Kirbs to try and get him to sign for us! I don`t know if it had any impact on him but it may of shown he would be welcome and appreciated down here.
The fact that he turned down a benefit at Glos this year to join us shows the motivation,desire and integrity of the bloke.
There was a clip I saw last night of him hugging Alex Barrow as we hit a boundary and that was significant in my eyes as it is so important to make the younger players comfortable in the first team and also to feel part of what is going on whether they are playing or not.
Quite a few times at Taunton this year I have seen Kirbs on the outfield playing with the kids almost straight after the games when the other players are heading to the bar!
He may suffer from a bit of "white line fever" when he steps on to the pitch but he is completely different off it and is a massive asset to the playing squad and the club in general
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First met him along with a few of my mates (when we had drunk too much cider...) after the Gloucester T20 match at Taunton last season.We were having a bit of banter with the Glos boys on the outfield (Lewis,Kirbs and Anthony Ireland) which was all good humoured.We invited them all back to the Long room after the game to buy them a beer as compensation for them having to play for such a poor side!!To our surprise after the game Ireland and Kirbs came back to the long room and my mate set to work on Kirbs to try and get him to sign for us! I don`t know if it had any impact on him but it may of shown he would be welcome and appreciated down here.
The fact that he turned down a benefit at Glos this year to join us shows the motivation,desire and integrity of the bloke.
There was a clip I saw last night of him hugging Alex Barrow as we hit a boundary and that was significant in my eyes as it is so important to make the younger players comfortable in the first team and also to feel part of what is going on whether they are playing or not.
Quite a few times at Taunton this year I have seen Kirbs on the outfield playing with the kids almost straight after the games when the other players are heading to the bar!
He may suffer from a bit of "white line fever" when he steps on to the pitch but he is completely different off it and is a massive asset to the playing squad and the club in general
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If it's true that we won't have Craig and Jos available for many games because of the England tour, then I suppose that might explain why Lewis is being sent home as we feel the need to keep extra batting cover?
I think the only game we'd potentially not have them for is the final - if we get there - and even then the clashing game is an England warm-up game, so I'd imagine we'd keep them (esp as they'd have played a large part in getting us to a final, almost by definition).
I don`t think even England would disrupt the CLT20 by insisting the players join up for training when they can be batting in real games? The first ODI is on the 14 Oct and the final of the CLT20 is on the 9 Oct so I don`t see any issues and the BCCI would surely not be happy if star players are taken from their tournament to practice even though we seem happy to kiss the toes (and other areas.....) of the ECCB and let them take the @#$%& out of us!
I suppose that may change if we did make it to the final against an Indian team mind and then the BCCI might request that our best players be released??!......
I bet we wouldn`t be allowed to call up extra overseas players to replace anyone either unlike when Sachin didn`t play for Mumbai the other day......... )
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I suppose that may change if we did make it to the final against an Indian team mind and then the BCCI might request that our best players be released??!......
I bet we wouldn`t be allowed to call up extra overseas players to replace anyone either unlike when Sachin didn`t play for Mumbai the other day......... )
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The England management are usually big on the virtues of "rest," though?
So I wouldn't be shocked, personally, if Craig and Jos were pulled out some time in advance of the first actual England game. In Craig's case of course, he is centrally contracted for the purposes of short-form cricket so there's probably nothing that we could do about it. In theory, I suppose we could argue in Jos's case, but I doubt we would?
So I wouldn't be shocked, personally, if Craig and Jos were pulled out some time in advance of the first actual England game. In Craig's case of course, he is centrally contracted for the purposes of short-form cricket so there's probably nothing that we could do about it. In theory, I suppose we could argue in Jos's case, but I doubt we would?
Technically speaking CK's incremental central contract only runs until the end of this month, though no doubt it will be renewed for 2011/2012 when the central contracts are announced in the next few days.
Although the England set up would have first call on Kies I would imagine that this scenario has been discussed (although after the Max,Gemaal,Gregory situations that have developed it would not surprise me if we have not had the foresight...) by England and us (maybe something along the lines of, Andy Flower "Brian, we are taking your players from the biggest game of your history should you get there" Brian "Certainly Mr Flower,how many would you like?? Just the 2?.. We have more if you want them??!...") lol
Hopefully we have a bit more backbone this time if the need arises but what are we worrying about anyway?? We haven`t needed them so far and this may of built a "backs to wall" spirit that might be slightlty undermined by having players leave and new ones come in but hopefully not obviously
The other point is we have to get there first!!
Hopefully we have a bit more backbone this time if the need arises but what are we worrying about anyway?? We haven`t needed them so far and this may of built a "backs to wall" spirit that might be slightlty undermined by having players leave and new ones come in but hopefully not obviously
The other point is we have to get there first!!
There are highlights available at the main CLT 20 website for anyone who missesd the game.Only about 7 minutes worth,but I've watched it 3 times already this morning.
Thanks for that, nelliec - great to see. This link to the highlights should work:
CL T20 highlights (various)
CL T20 highlights (various)
Meanwhile Mumbai making a right balti of chasing 99 to beat T&T. 37-5 in the 11th, Pollard out for 9.
Extract from Cricinfo:
Narine to Pollard, OUT, Narine has got the big fish. A freak dismissal. The quick offbreak, Pollard looks to pull, seems to me he has got a bottom edge into the pad, and then onto the stumps. T&T are ecstatic not just because it is the big wicket of Pollard but also because he is a Trinidadian who has outgrown them
Our KP, it seems, may not be universally loved in this age of the mercenary.
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Narine to Pollard, OUT, Narine has got the big fish. A freak dismissal. The quick offbreak, Pollard looks to pull, seems to me he has got a bottom edge into the pad, and then onto the stumps. T&T are ecstatic not just because it is the big wicket of Pollard but also because he is a Trinidadian who has outgrown them
Our KP, it seems, may not be universally loved in this age of the mercenary.
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Interestingly there were only eight players who could have chosen to play for their home team rather than turning out as an overseas player at the CLT20. All of them chose their IPL paymasters.
Pollard is obviously one, choosing Mumbai Indians over T&T. The others are Brett Lee (chose KKR over NSW), Jacques Kallis (chose KKR over Warriors), Brad Haddin (chose KKR over NSW), Dwayne Bravo (chose ChennaiSK over T&T), Davy Jacobs (chose Mumbai Indians over Warriors), Doug 'The Rug' Bollinger (chose CSK over NSW) and Aiden Blizzard (chose Mumbai Indians over South Australia).
Mercenaries? Possibly. I do have some sympathy for the West Indians who have a non-existent pay structure from their national board, but the others? I am not surprised the celebrating is sweeter when the 'traitor' is dismissed!
Pollard is obviously one, choosing Mumbai Indians over T&T. The others are Brett Lee (chose KKR over NSW), Jacques Kallis (chose KKR over Warriors), Brad Haddin (chose KKR over NSW), Dwayne Bravo (chose ChennaiSK over T&T), Davy Jacobs (chose Mumbai Indians over Warriors), Doug 'The Rug' Bollinger (chose CSK over NSW) and Aiden Blizzard (chose Mumbai Indians over South Australia).
Mercenaries? Possibly. I do have some sympathy for the West Indians who have a non-existent pay structure from their national board, but the others? I am not surprised the celebrating is sweeter when the 'traitor' is dismissed!
Just as well MK and AT's IPL team failed to qualify, or we could have been facing a similar situation with them.
Really strange decision to drop Gregory today, does`nt make a lot of sense to me in view of who`s still retained.
When he was injured, and they thought he'd only be able to bat. No conspiracy.
Seeing as all of these players chose the IPL teams, perhaps their clubs encourage them to do so, in order to get the $150k or so. I don't want to believe that none of those players would pick their home side!
Seeing as all of these players chose the IPL teams, perhaps their clubs encourage them to do so, in order to get the $150k or so. I don't want to believe that none of those players would pick their home side!
If Pune had qualified I dont think there would have been any question of who MK and Alf played for - MK is Indian so his IPl team and his 'home' team are one and the same, AT would only have had to choose had his South African team qualified (unless I missed something and he now has a british passport). Charl, on the other hand, as a born-again Union Jack waving God Save The Queen singing son of Taunton could (and I'm sure would) choose the mighty Zummerzet over allcomers.
Off topic, but did anyone see the game between Mumbai and Trinidad last night? What a finish!
Last ball win back from the dead by Mumbai when T and T wicket keeper missed a run out by throwing the ball at the stumps from two feet when the runner was yards out of his ground.
I've never seen a whole team lying face down distraught with losing. Incredible entertainment!
Last ball win back from the dead by Mumbai when T and T wicket keeper missed a run out by throwing the ball at the stumps from two feet when the runner was yards out of his ground.
I've never seen a whole team lying face down distraught with losing. Incredible entertainment!
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When he was injured, and they thought he'd only be able to bat. No conspiracy.
Seeing as all of these players chose the IPL teams, perhaps their clubs encourage them to do so, in order to get the $150k or so. I don't want to believe that none of those players would pick their home side!
No conspiracy but a slightly odd decision to pick him in the first place if they did not think that he would be able to bowl at all? Perhaps there were simply not other alternatives, I suppose?
Yes I wonder what influence the contractual aspects of the IPL franchises have. Our boys have signed up for two years and I think that contract means they play for them irrespective of their other loyalties in Indian competitios occuring within a certain timeline.
Also, if you go against your IPL side, you're not just losing the extra money from that two week Champions League period, but presumably jeopardising your overall IPL contract chances.
I thought that I had read somewhere that the IPL contracts systematically required players to put their IPL team ahead of any other team in the Champions League.
Whether this is factually true or not is another matter but I have definitely been told this - or read it somewhere.
In these days of players following the T20 Dollar, it would make perfect sense to include this manner of clause, as the advent of the Champions League would make this dual (or triple in KP's case) team situation inevitable.
Whether this is factually true or not is another matter but I have definitely been told this - or read it somewhere.
In these days of players following the T20 Dollar, it would make perfect sense to include this manner of clause, as the advent of the Champions League would make this dual (or triple in KP's case) team situation inevitable.
THe stuff that I read in the CLT20 competition rules states that players have the choice of whether to play for either their IPL franchise OR their "home," team which means the one from their country of origin. This means Alf could choose to play for his South African team in preference to Pune, if both qualified. He could not, however, choose to play for Somerset if Somerset and Pune had qualified.
If Alf plays for Pune then his South African team would receive $150,000 in compensation (paid by Pune.)
As others have suggested the players have probably all picked their IPL team as they do not want to lose future contracts.
If Alf plays for Pune then his South African team would receive $150,000 in compensation (paid by Pune.)
As others have suggested the players have probably all picked their IPL team as they do not want to lose future contracts.
Or they have the choice, but then waive that choice in signing the IPL contract (but technically could demance that clause be removed).
Players being able to choose who they play for?
What a farce this has become.
What a farce this has become.
Well, it is T20 and it is the BCCI.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck etc etc
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck etc etc
Yeah, but it's all great fun, isn't it? That's all it's really meant to be, entertainment. Look at that crazy finish to the last game with the wickie missing the stumps. Couldn't make it up.
You can have entertainment without reducing the game to a meaningless farce, if a player is contracted to a side, he plays for them.
I'd love to see naked women riding all the horses in the Grand National this year....no, forget the horses, the ladies can just run around looking lovely.
Is that acceptable in the name of entertainment?
I'd love to see naked women riding all the horses in the Grand National this year....no, forget the horses, the ladies can just run around looking lovely.
Is that acceptable in the name of entertainment?
Almost anything's acceptable in the name of entertainment these days, BJ. Them's the times we live in. I actually think T20 shenanigans are one of the more harmless and even worthwhile forms of modern fun, when you compare them to reality TV, X factor, computer games, riots, etc. etc.
As for naked ladies jumping over fences ... let's just say that's pretty tame compared to some of the stuff already out there in the wicked world.
As for naked ladies jumping over fences ... let's just say that's pretty tame compared to some of the stuff already out there in the wicked world.
You must understand, Chinaman, that BJ has led a very sheltered life and is only occasionally allowed day release in the community. Please don't shock him too severely.
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Apologies. Just say NO to naked ladies jumping fences! Before it's too late.
By the way ...
By the way ...
Aye, sadly I'm quite up to date with the doings of todays chavtastic society, it doesn't mean I either condone or approve of them though.
Anything goes in the name of entertainment?
Then why is the entertainment that's shoved down our throats so unentertaining......I watched television the other night, I've seen more exciting funerals.
Anything goes in the name of entertainment?
Then why is the entertainment that's shoved down our throats so unentertaining......I watched television the other night, I've seen more exciting funerals.
Don't BJ.
I can see it now....."Funerals are fun" new reality series on it's way !!
Grizzzly
I can see it now....."Funerals are fun" new reality series on it's way !!
Grizzzly
Who put the fun into funerals? BJ, of course: the man who put vices into services.
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I'm also the man who put the OO in Typhoo, just please don't mention my work for Scunthorpe Council.
Again slightly off-topic (although SA Redbacks look pretty good and we have to play them anon) they have some interesting team members:
Klinger from MASH, Tom Cooper (I expect the jokes have already been made) and O'Brien from 1984. Don't suppose it would be that difficult to pick a good eleven from literary and other famous figures.
Klinger from MASH, Tom Cooper (I expect the jokes have already been made) and O'Brien from 1984. Don't suppose it would be that difficult to pick a good eleven from literary and other famous figures.
If we`re still involved past Wednesday for the Semi Finals & Finals will England leave Kieswetter & Buttler alone, it will only affect the first warm up game anyway and then only Craig as Buttler`s only picked for the T20 game.
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Without looking up the dates of the matches the ECB says Jos will join the England squad ahead of the t20 match on the 29th October.
Mr Rose would have looked at the possibility of a clash if there is one before sending players home so everything must be ok
Edit - to add October.
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Mr Rose would have looked at the possibility of a clash if there is one before sending players home so everything must be ok
Edit - to add October.
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I can see no reason why England wouldn't allow Craig to stay with us should (touch wood) a clash present itself. He will only be a 2 hour flight away from the England camp so no jet lag or acclimatisation to deal with, and he'd still have a warm up game before the ODI series.
Not to be too optimistic, but looking at the table if KKR beat Bangalore in the next game and we can beat SA on saturday ,both ourselves and the warriors would be unbeaten,and the other three teams would all have lost twice.
Lets hope Klinger's Section 8 comes through before the game.
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I can only find one in their squad that it not Australian Adil Usman Rashid (England).
Klinger?
someone tried to explain to me once that Klinger, along with Klingon and Klingsor, were names of the "dark one". A sort of HP Lovecraft figure.
It was on top of Glastonbury Tor aswell (hence the west country connection). It was only a few months after a man tried to convince me at the same spot that he was Merlin reincarnated.
Too much time time in the alehouses of Glastonbury, particularly the Rifleman's IIRC.
someone tried to explain to me once that Klinger, along with Klingon and Klingsor, were names of the "dark one". A sort of HP Lovecraft figure.
It was on top of Glastonbury Tor aswell (hence the west country connection). It was only a few months after a man tried to convince me at the same spot that he was Merlin reincarnated.
Too much time time in the alehouses of Glastonbury, particularly the Rifleman's IIRC.
Excellent house, the Rifleman's Arms, the nearest pub to where I lived. My dad used to send me there as a lad to buy the cigarettes that killed him; before long that was my opportunity to reward myself with a sip of the ale that has yet to kill me.
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Lol I asked before and you didn't answer but ,really, did you know Beckery Burrows. His 'Somerset in the Thirties' has a special place on my bookshelf.
Apologies, Streeter. I recall your previous question but did not reply as I did not understand it, Beckery Burrows having escaped my knowledge until now.
I would love to know more.
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I would love to know more.
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By the way, who are South Australia's overseas players?
The said Kieron Pollard, who as we know is playing for his IPL franchise
I would hope we would ask for compensation if E(W)CB damage our chances of winning the big prize (if and when that happens btw)
That sort of money would make a serious difference to the finances of the players and the club, not too mention the profile of Somerset and English cricket.
I suspect we will never find out, but we can dream!
That sort of money would make a serious difference to the finances of the players and the club, not too mention the profile of Somerset and English cricket.
I suspect we will never find out, but we can dream!
Craig Meschede has been ruled out of the CLT20 with a shin injury. He will be replaced by Lewis Gregory.
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