Notts the start that we wanted?


By Grockle et al
June 22 2014

No Alfonso as we go into this game with only Pete Trego representing the 'Old Guard' in the bowling section of the side. Johann Myburgh also sits it out as we win the toss and choose to bat. Down comes the cloud and the ball is doing all sorts!!

 

v NOTTINGHAMSHIRE@ Trent Bridge Sunday 22 June 2014

Scorecard

Commentary

TuneIn App BBC Live Event 16

As I wander into the ground at 11:20 I watch Nick Compton leaving the field for a paltry 2. Chris Jones, on for the injured Myburgh, has already departed the centre for 4.  Gurney and Siddle are getting lots and lots of bounce but with the odd one also keeping suprisingly low. Alviro and the skipper are being sensible and watchful but even then it isn't long before the first drop in the slips as a ball gets big on Petersen who follows it and luckily raises the ball above the shoulders of Patel and Adams in the slips.  You do wonder why we are batting after winning the toss though the cloud cover was non existent at 10:30 and humid an hour later.  There is a second slip drop a little later on before Petersen skies one and the whole four man slip cordon turn and sprint towards the boundary with only Wessels having enough faith it is coming down to pouch the catch after what seemd like an age.  Hildreth comes to the middle but stays only a short time before shouldering arms to an Adams inswinger which cleans him up 44 for 4 is not good!!

Banger is riding considerable luck and we've moved, by no means confidently past 50.

By lunch Kieswetter and Trescothick have calmed things down a little and a 44 run partnership has got us to 90. However it is just the calm before another storm as Andre Adams 'continues to be a thorn in a Somerset teams side catching CK in front for 17 at 94 and Gurney has Trigger caught behind for 1 almost immediately. Craig Meschede joins his skipper and the now cloudy Trent Bridge atmosphere continues to cause havoc.

The problems remain, even though Marcus starts to look more confident and more expansive. At the other end however, mayhem carries on. The 100 and the skipper's 50 come in quick succession and Meschede looks more solid until he is well caught by Jacques at 137. Hopes are that the next Craig is going to do well after his big score in the last CC1 game.  No chance though as Overton scrabbles around for a while beflfe being caught behind at 140.

Marcus now starts farming the strike as George Dockrell splits the twins at number 10. Strange situation to be in during the second session of Day 1 of a four day game.

The 'farming' gets his side past 150 as the Irishman flays a boundary to take it to 152. Then Samit Patel takes a leaping one handed catch at second slip (nearer third IMHO) to send the Somerset captain on his way for 87 at 155. Siddle has taken both openers but some 40 odd overs apart. In comes Jamie Overton to play a few but this is way down on expectations and NO batting points to us today.

At 168 it is done and dusted as first Shahzad bowls a huge wide which Jamie has a massive swipe at. That is followed by one a little closer to the wicket which the Somerset bowler has another mighty swipe at.  This time however he snicks it and is out caught at first slip. Marcus 87.... the next highest score from a batsman? 17. Nuff said really.

After Tea Jaqcues and Mullaney start the home side reply in confident and aggressive mood. Peter Trego is targetted and the score starts to move at a rate Somerset can't be happy with. Craig Overton is raising eyebrows at the other end and keeping them in check but they still move past the follow on target in three overs and have a 50 partnership after 3. Jamie Overton does cause early problems because of his pace but he also is leaking runs. Both men have given away over 20 off their first 3 overs. by the end of the 13th over Notts are strolling this at 68 for 0 and a run rate of 5.23.

Listening to the local press ringing in asking for press you can't really argue with their assessment of day 1 of this game. 'Total decimation' seems pretty a curate as Phil Jacques goes to a 57 ball 50 at 94 for 0 after 20 overs. Meschede has tried to stem the tide with 3 overs for 13 since his introduction in the 15th but Pete has 36 off 7 and no-one really looks like breaking through. With 23 overs to go it is highly likely that the home side will overhaul the present total, possibly without loss before the end of the day's play.

Steve Mullaney's 69 ball 50 comes just after the Notts 100 arrives off 131. Nothing looks to be going right, fielding errors follow as 2 batsmen in full flow start to take the already damaged Somerset bowling attack apart. I start typing this part of the report at 108 and by the time I have reached HERE the home team are on 124. This is pretty quickly turning into a rout and at this rate I will be home by the end of Tuesday at the latest!!

And it happens as Notts take the lead off George Dockrell who was introduced with 15 overs of the day to go, why not? How could he be any worse. Phil Jaques took the first six of the day off him and finally hit 2 to take his county ahead with 12 overs and 1 ball of the day to go.   Mullaney has 72 and Jaques needs 6 for his hundred. We simply have no answer at all and are a very long way from being in this game in any way at all. Presently the pundits are suggesting that this game will end sometime around Tuesday lunchtime unless something drastically changes.  As Jaques goes to 100 off Dockrell's second ball of his fourth over (18 fours 109 balls) you can hear them knocking in the nails of the coffin at 194 for 0 with Mullaney on his way to joining his partner (86 off 104 balls).

But Mullaney does't get there as George tempts him to go for one which he top edges to Trego in the deep and Somerset take a Day 1 consolation wicket at 203 for 1 with the Notts man going for a good 91. To add onsult to injury, the home side send in a nightwatchman in Shahzad to play out the final 3 overs.

And so it goes. Play ends mercifully for South Westerners at 6:25 with Notts on 208 for 1, a first innings lead of 40 runs after Day 1.

More to come in the morning... it has to be better than this!!

 

Day 2

So here we are again for the start of the second day. Beautiful sunny morning with high wispy cloud, lovely walk in from the station but a distinctly sparse crowd, not suprising given the nature of the match.

Notts start the second day 40runs ahead with 9 wickets in hand, a position it is hard to see them losing from. George Dockrell courtesy of Pete Trego's hands gave us a point by dismissing Mullaney yesterday evening but today will be more about character than points I think. This may be the defining day of the Somerset 2014 season because the players will learn from Sunday's events and commit themselves to getting as much out of this game as possible and making individual promises that this will NOT happen again or this match will sputter to a conclusion with little being learned and with it will go our CC1 aspirations for the year.  I'm sure we shall all see.

One hour into the day and the situation has become a little better. We have a bowling point after Jaques swiped an early Meschede long hop to the only legside fielder he could have found and Nick Compton gratefully took a good diving catch. 211 for 2 became 231 for 3 when Shahzad mistimed a ball from Craig Overton and presented Chris Jones with a mid on catch.

At midday on Day 2 Notts have Hales and Taylor at the crease. They face a change in bowling at the press box end as Pete gets his first spell of the day and are 77 runs ahead of the Somerset first innings total with 7 wickets in hand on a pretty unhelpful pitch. But never mind, the sun is out.

And then Notts give us a door back into this game. Taylor is strangled by Pete at 258 and then Hales skies one at 266 and Craig takes a catch off his brother Jamie. Then then the heavens open and the promised thunder shower brings an early lunch with Notts 111 ahead and some glimmer in the Somerset gloom.

Hope is unfounded however as we return after the rain and lunch break. George Dockrell openss from our end and is dispatched twice to the boundary, Jamie opens from the Ratcliffe and has better fortune but in the next 30 minutes, Wessels and Patel go to a 56 ball 50 partnership and the Notts lead goes over 150. Whatever the plan with GD, it doesn't work and we take the new ball with a deficit of 163 and no further inroads into the home side's batting line-up. Craig O and Pete are back in the firing line.

The new ball has almost no effect as Wessels starts to climb into the new ball pair. He goes to 50 just after his side go to 350 and by the time his partner reaches his 50 off 63 balls the optimism that existed when they were 5 down and only 111 ahead has become pessimism that Notts can declare whenever they want as they already have a lead of 224 and Patel and Wessels have a partnership of 135.

The 400 comes up at 3:00pm and prompts the return of Dockrell - are they trying to prompt the declaration? Poor old George the man is on an absolute hiding to nothing.

It does however come right for him as he gets Wessels caught by Cove at 427. Then, just as Patel sets his sights on a century, Craig himself gets reward for his collossal hard work by getting lne to move away from Samit's bat into CK's gloves.  Suddenly we are on a roll because he then bowls Read trying to play across one for only 2. Out comes Andre Adams, gets 2 off his first before absolutely bludgening one towards Banger, who, with the reflexes of a teenager, simply snaffles it and rolls it along the floor to the umpire. 454 for 9 sees Craig on 4 for 102. George finishes it off by having Siddle at 461 so its tea taken and Notts ready to come out afterwards leading by 293.  As someone posted online, it's over to the batsmen now!!

The long way home starts with Jones and Trescothick playing nothing that is any kind of gamble, no risks, no loose shots, just defence and easy stuff. The skipper looks masterful on this pitch and his understudy is watchful and careful. Gurney is building up a head of steam but for 10 plus overs everything goes to plan. Gurney tries MT out and gets spanked for three boundaries, unfortunately the next one spits off the deck and the skipper gloves it to the four man slip cordon and is ln his way for 22. We have lost our most vital wicket with only 41 to our name.

Nick Compton replaces him and confidently gets on with a job he is admirably suited for, the 50 comes up on the 22nd over but the runs are really immaterial.  The important thing is TIME AT THE CREASE. 17 overs in Shahzad starts at the Radcliffe road end and Adams takes the other. 20 overs to go to the halfway stage of the game and we need to go in only 1 down. Andre has other ideas and skittles Nick for 12 at 66. 2 down and still 227 to go to avoid the innings defeat!! One bright spark in this second part of the day is Chris going to 50 off 80 balls with 7 fours at 89 for 2. It would be even more excellent if we are celebrating his highest career score this time tomorrow with his partner Alviro Petersen because any kind of base for survival in this game relies on something VERY special from this pair.

Unfortunately it isn't going to be AP's glory match as Siddle gets him in front for 4. Somerset finish at 106 for 3.

Day 3

It's a day of targets if there is going to be a Day 4 in this game. No special shots, no risks, no concern about the run rate or the total. Half hour by half hour, don't take risks just play all balls on the merits and defend, defend, defend. The Jones century will come under those rules and has to. The James Hildreth ton also must come but on a much longer time frame. Today is about being there at 6:30 and nothing else. Tomorrow is tomorrow and that is for later. Cloud cover and a close atmosphere at 10:30 suggests the first hour, once more, might be tough but it isn't as if we aren't aware of that danger now. Hang in and fight the good fight boys.

For the first 50 minutes it all looked solid. Jones seemed in control, the rate was nothing impressive but Somerset accumulated. James also played it safe and we dealt with everything Notts put in front of us - The opening attack of Gurney and Siddle, Shahzad first change and Adams introduced in the 13th over. All was going swimmingly until Hilda unaccountably wafts at a wide Shahzad delivery and deposits it in Adams' hand. Soft dismissal after 31 hard fought runs when we needed a 1 in front from a man who has struggled to provide 'beef' in the middle order for some time now.

Craig K enters the arena needing a good score for a number of reasons and we pass the 150 behind target shortly afterwards. 4 runs later he is dropped by Wessels at first slip, a difficult diving chance, and we have to hope he will make them pay while doing his own summer some good at the same time. However, Shahzad is giving him a torrid time as we pass 150 and close on the next target...lunch.

The target is achieved without further loss and we go in 105 runs from an innings defeat at 188 for 5. Craig Kieswetter has 28 and Pete Trego has 9. Losing Chris Jones to Gurney's first ball on his return in the 25th over was not anything like what we wanted. His 240 minute innings of 77 with 10 fours was the backbone of this reply and has hopefully put paid to questions about his ability or desire to play county cricket. He simply got beaten for pace and Gurney got his first ball straight. It goes to show that if you have a bowler with a change of pace, get him to hit the stumps straight away because after Adams and Shahzad, Gurney was an unexpected level of speed. Jamie O take note.

After lunch? More of the same. Rebuild the base, keep Pete in check and watch the sneaky Adams. Next target? 2:30. There have been almost no 50 partnerships in the Somerset batting. It would be very nice to have 2 or 3 without a wicket falling!

We get a 50 run partnership. First the 2 Somerset men take the runs needed under 100 and then they bring up the 200 in the 33rd over. CK celebrates with a six. His 50 comes up in pretty short order as he plays solidly but murders any loose stuff. A boundary takes him to 53 off 69 balls at 225 for 5. Notts react by introducing Patel for the first time. A pretty clear indicator that we are getting to them. So the message is 'calm down' and just play. Unfortunately this message does not seem to get through to Craig as he tries to take on Andre Adams and dies in the hands of Hales in the outfield trying to go over the top. 54 wasn't enough for him or for us and that has effe tively closed the door on any real fight as quite soon afterwards Craig Meschede top edges one and Hales, running back takes another one as we slump to 237 for 7 just as hope of making Notts bat again becames a possibility.

Craig Overton arrives to bat with us still trailing by 55 and most people now expect it to be over pretty soon. Craig and Pete look to continue move the score towards the level score but Adams tempts Craig with one that goes away and another Somerset man bites the dust. At 9 for 253 with only the defensive George and the expansive Jamie to come it seems the right time for Trigger to start to go for it. The young Irishman accumulates and rotates while PT heads towards 3 figures in real style, cutting, pulling, driving but with a level head to not try too hard.  He and George put on a 50 partnership (Pete 40 and George the rest) and we go into the lead and it isn't until 331 that the spinner is tempted by a full toss which he doesn't get all of and the ball pops up.  This is great but with one wicket left we are no where near far enough ahead and Jamie is still an unfinished item as a batsman. Having said that he has a championship 50 from the last game and does not come out looking like he is overawed by the situation. The Trego 100 and the 350arrive about the same time along with rain and bad light and a break in play.  We are going to be back tomorrow it seems though everyone seems to be eager to get out and get it sorted. After an early Tea we are out again, the light is not good and the position might be precarious but Jamie seems to have decided to take it on, he begins to outscore Trego to the tune of 3 to 1 and the second 50 partnership arrives from a tailend pair.  The young number eleven then goes to a 50 at less than a run a ball (48) before he finally is victom of one that goes away and the excellent work is all over with PT unbeaten on 107.

402 runs scored 110 needed by Notts to win a game they thought would be over sometime mid afternoon. now they have about 24 overs, if they ask for the extra 8 this evening.  Some pride has returned to the club and we are all wondering what might have happened if we hadn't capitulated so completely on the first day.

Alex Hales has injured his shoulder and will probably only bat if he is needed so Jaques and Mullaney open again with Taylor moving up the order. We know that because Cove comes steaming in and removes Mullaney with his third ball caught by Hildreth at second slip. Two balls later he forces Taylor to play on and the home side are 2 for 0 and in some disarray. Samit Patel tries to calm things and nearly becomes the third victim but the young Somerset bowler finishes his first over with a double wicket maiden giving all of us a little hope that something amazing can happen. Jaques and the little man look to stop that coming true and gradually they reassert the batting control as Mesch and Trigger try to keep the momentum up.  Patel is in his groove though and although he could go at any moment he does pile into Jove while taking a the lion's share of a quick 50 paretnership and putting this all but to bed. He tries to take Craig O on once too often and perishes caught by Craig M. Then the umpires decide it is too dark and take the sides off with Notts on 66 needing 44 while Somerset need the unlikely 6 wickets.

We go into Day 4. Hands up all those who expected that?

Day 4

Thanks to the excellent service of Trent Bridge reception staff and the nice people at Nottingham Forest I am able to witness the final death throes of this morning without it costing me and arm and a leg to do so. High cloud this morning but once again it is 'muggy' first thing. If anyone wants a decent cheap and quiet hotel right in the middle of Nottingham then you can do worse than the Welbeck Hotel on Talbot Street, cheap, cheerful, quiet and no nonsense.

Anyway, the Somerset boys are out warming up with the obligatory game of football though a couple are in the nets. I think Jason Kerr was taking James Burke through his bowling paces on the break yesterday afternoon. Besides the press there are 6 supporters on the ground and Tractor, who is presently the only occupant of the 'New Stand'.

Off we go with Craig O from the Pavilion starting to Jaques and George opening from the Radcliffe. Shahzad breaks his bat the fifth ball into the session and so we have a stoppage and then he nearly runs himself out taking a run that was never on.

11:25 under 20 runs to go and it's all pretty anti-climactical ( ?) after yesterday afternoon. There is little in this pitch and little for the bowling attack to play with. The batsmen are going to take no chances at all so there is nowhere for this game to go but to the inevitable end. No major gains for Somerset this morning have meant the motions are now being gone through and one only wonders why George did not bowl last night.  It might have meant more overs in the evening but it would also have probably meant more runs to play with this morning as Jamie got pummelled.

Immaterial I suppose, this game, for all its interesting twists and turns and the glory of the tailend fightback, was effectively over 3 days ago with the abject collapse of our first innings batting and our poor defence of the pathetic total it produced. It has given Chris Jones the chance to stake a claim with Johann sidelined. It showed what a batsman Peter Trego can be on his day. It highlighted the immense potential of Craig Overton as a bowler and the strength of the Somerset tail with the willow. The other positive thing was that this side were never down in this game and there was every excuse to be there. They have fought to regain some pride and taken the Notts boys into the 4th day making them win a game rather than just finish it off.

I'd have loved to see my first win of the season today but if I have to see a defeat I'd rather see this type of fighting loss even if it was inevitable from mid afternoon on Day 1. Shahzad hits the final boundary on the 13th over of the day at 11:38 and we move on with the 3 points we have gained and the lessons of the match. Essex on Friday and then the chance to put this behind us with Lancashire at home ln Sunday.

 

 

 

Bookmark or share this story with:

Notts the start that we wanted?
Discussion started by Grockles.com , 22/06/2014 12:41
Grockles.com
22/06/2014 12:41
What do you think? You can have your say by posting below.
If you do not already have an account Click here to Register.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014:06:26:23:13:51 by Grockle.

AGod
21/06/2014 07:32
First piece of team news is that Michael Lumb is out. Will miss 3-4 weeks with an arm injury picked up by Middx.

My personal view is that we will probably be unchanged and should probably be unchanged.

We currently have four seam/swing bowlers and a spinner in the side.

And with the signing of TG and the imminent fitness of Lewis Gregory, we may soon have as many as 8 fit seamers available, from which to perm 4. I've not included AD but he would be a ninth if he gets fit.

AGod
21/06/2014 08:08
For anyone going to the game and looking to stay overnight: there is a decent deal at Jury's Inn for the Sunday night. 39 squid for the night. The hotel is on the same road as the station and, if I remember rightly about a 15-20 minute walk away from TB.

There are much closer options on the Radcliffe Road but I could find nothing cheaper than 60 ish quid a pop.

AGod
21/06/2014 10:13
We are being threatened with warm and sunny weather for this one!

I personally hope that Notts try to do something to spice up the pitch a little bit, whether it's leaving extra grass on (the most likely option with the make-up of their side) or starting the track bare or very dry or what have you.

Otherwise, it will scarcely surprise if the match is an absolute run-fest.

I did not bother with this fixture last season as there was nothing to play for, but I went up in 2011 and 2012.

IN last year's game, James Hildreth made a ton.

In the games in 2011 and 2012 that I personally witnessed, James also scored a ton in each of those games. Arul Suppiah and Craig Kieswetter also made tons (CK in 2011, AS in 2012) and Nick Compton hammered a double ton in 2012 (and the second half of the double ton genuinely was hammered!)

Meanwhile, Samit Patel seems to me to have a very good record against our bowlers (although perhaps more so in TA1). And virtually the entire Notts batting line-up have been in good form of late.

This could be the kind of arduous game for bowlers that might lead DN to shuffle our pack for the following game (home vs Lancashire) with, maybe, Kirby or Groenewald in contention.

A run-fest and maximum points draw from Trent Bridge would do Somerset little harm in our race for the CC but my absolute preference would be to see a good balance between bat and ball and, of course, an away win.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014:06:21:10:14:29 by AGod.

cricketjerry-mouse
21/06/2014 11:33
Notts have brought in all-rounder Steve Mullaney in place of the injured Michael Lumb in this 12-strong squad for Trent Bridge:

Hales, Jacques, Mullaney, Taylor, Patel, Wessels, Read, Siddle, Fletcher, Gurney, Adams and Shahzad.

Quickie Peter Siddle will be paying one of his last championship matches before being recalled next month for an Australian training camp. Notts are replacing him with New Zealander Jim Franklin - but only for T20 matches.

AGod
21/06/2014 11:44
Siddle would not have bowled a ball in one-day stuff for Notts anyway.

I hesitate to say this at this juncture, but I suspect Notts will be somewhat disappointed with the overall returns that they have got from Siddle.

I did wonder if he would prove a less than ideal signing because i remember him having to be told by Lehman to buck his ideas up having not exactly run in hard vs SCCC at Taunton last season and I wondered whether that suggested he would only run in really hard for Aus in "live bullet," games such as Tests, and be less interested in doing so in the County game.

I've no idea if that has been why he has been less prolific then one might expect from a Test bowler - it may be very flat tracks at TB that have been the big problem.

AGod
21/06/2014 11:46
I would assume that Mullaney might well be the man to miss out from that Notts' 12. All of Fletcher, Gurney, Adams and Shahzad clearly offer more with the ball and all bar Gurney also offer something with the bat, albeit not as much as Mullaney. But if they're anticipating something flat, then I'd think they'd prefer the extra bowling.

AGod
21/06/2014 11:54
As for our side, I've no idea whether TG will be in the squad, or SK for that matter.

But I'd think the only conceivable way that TG might play at TB, in the absence of an injury that we do not know about, might be if DN decides that CM has yet to really hit the mark with the ball after returning from injury (and thus could possibly do with a seconds run-out instead). To be honest, CM arguably has not actually done enough bowling since returning from injury to actually recover his full form...... an issue which can arise in a side that has as many as five front-line bowling options.

Bobstan
21/06/2014 12:16
If Siddle destroys us I shall know who to blame, AG.

AGod
21/06/2014 12:18
Indeed, Bobstan, indeed!

AGod
21/06/2014 12:20
[www.ecb.co.uk]

24 wickets - an okay volume, but at a cost of more than 33 runs per wicket. I think most clubs would hope for a better bowling average from a Test bowler.

AGod
21/06/2014 12:22
Somerset, very pleasingly, have no fewer than five bowlers who have conceded fewer than 25 runs per wicket taken.

I wonder when the last time was that we could say that at the mid-way point of our CC season?

AGod
21/06/2014 12:37
James Taylor is a man who is probably still striving to get himself a Test call. He will not have been helped in that he has yet to convert any of the 7 50s that he has made so far this season. I hope we're not on the receiving end of his first conversion..

Bobstan
21/06/2014 14:48
Conversion? A religious experience?

Don't worry. The England skipper has vast religious experience as a chorister at St Paul's Cathedral, and it doesn't seem to be doing a lot for him just at the moment, sad to say.

wsm fan
21/06/2014 16:02
Jones has been called up, Tresco is fit, all I can enlighten you with thus far.....

wsm fan
21/06/2014 16:14
Also Barrow is listed in squad on the main site but he is most definitely on Weston beach, signing things, giving out paper hats and playing connect four with children alongside ECB cricket factory in the Somerset tent.....

AGod
21/06/2014 16:27
How do you know, WSM, that Jones has been called up?

He's not listed as being in the squad on the official site.

wsm fan
21/06/2014 16:36
Jones has travelled up with the squad for training this afternoon ready to play tomorrow, in place of one of the listed expected top 6 batters.
Tres is fit and expected to play

Grockle
21/06/2014 16:53
Probably replaced Barrow then

(Sm72)

wsm fan
21/06/2014 17:00
Nope not Barrow, Jones and Barrow were both listed to be attending the Weston beach event.
Jones has been called up to replace one of our top 6 batters, but not Tres to my knowledge, watch this space....

AGod
21/06/2014 18:08
Petersen probably out then, with his foot injury from the other day. That or Compton with his neck.

Bad news in either case.

If it was Hildreth or Kieswetter one would expect Barrow to play, not Jones, as middle order cover.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014:06:21:18:11:55 by AGod.

wsm fan
21/06/2014 18:21
Agreed, im assuming it's a top 4 rather than middle/lower for them to have called up Jones do Myburgh, Nick or Alviro.

My guess is Alviro as he was busy watching the SA/Wales rugby this afternoon so wasn't involved in any training for duration of that match, we'll see.....

AGod
21/06/2014 18:45
Wonder if they'll put Jones back in to open, leave NC at three, then bump Hildreth and Kieswetter up a place each and put Myburgh back down in the lower middle order.

AGod
21/06/2014 18:50
And if it is AP and it's something other than trivial then one wonders if DN will send for Ingram in time for the Lancs game?

Tops
21/06/2014 20:54
Very pleased we have signed TG. he is a very competent bowler, bridges the age group between our youngsters and the senior bowlers and will be an especially valuable member of our squad, especially if, as I am anticipate we no longer have SK and Dibble next year and Alfonso has to ration his appearances more.
However I am also delighted that he has not been immediately put in the squad. for his inclusion would have given a very negative message to the attack who have got us to where we are.

Frome Exile
21/06/2014 21:12
I hope he's gone to TB though, Tops.
Need to get him familiar with the boys asap.
I think he'll have a part to play before the end of the season.

AGod
21/06/2014 21:25
He's not played for about 3 weeks, so not wishing to send a poor message to the existing bowlers may not be the only reason that he's not been included for TB.

AGod
21/06/2014 21:31
Although TB seldom takes spin, this is another game where our comparative advantage is, arguably, most likely to lie in the area of our spin bowling (George) vs theirs (Samit).

If the track proves as flat as I expect, then part of the SCCC strategy must surely be to target Samit in order to make the Notts' seamers bowl far too many overs each and wear them down.

One would think that, on a flat track, GD should give Marcus more control than Chris Read is liable to get from Samit.

If you look at the bowling averages, it looks like we have a huge edge in seam bowling over Notts, as well. However, I expect that part of the reason that the Notts bowling averages are as ordinary as they are is precisely because TB has been something of a motorway this season.

Roger ivanhoe
22/06/2014 09:10
The Sun is out here in Nottingham.
Looking forward to a full days play, with Somerset's mind set on the County Championship.

Ronniesabre
22/06/2014 10:29
Jones replacing myburgh then!!

hantssabre
22/06/2014 10:45
No Alfonso either

Phrench Phil
22/06/2014 10:48
Somerset won toss and are batting.

Little Bird
22/06/2014 10:48
That's a real blow.

AGod
22/06/2014 10:49
Awful news about Alf not playing. Injured?

I assume neither TG nor SK considered match fit given that they weren't in squad and so we're having to revert to Jamie O as Alf's replacement.

With him in the side and Myburgh out of it, Tres will really have to chivvy the team in the field to keep up with the required over-rate as JO slows the rate down and JM has been the guy that gets thrown on to bowl overs lasting 2 mins to get us back up with the rate.

Little Bird
22/06/2014 10:54
Not wishing to come across as negative, but in the context of the season as a whole, I'd take a high-scoring draw in this match.

Crucial thing is not to lose.

Myburgh has a fractured finger btw, in case that's not already been posted.

AGod
22/06/2014 11:06
With no Alf I'd take a high scoring draw right now.

Thing is, Tres has not been keen to bowl J Overton very much in his last few CC games that he has played so will things be different here?

Logically, if we are expecting a high scoring game then I suppose it makes more sense to risk JO in that sort of contest as runs less likely to be at a premium.

Mike TA1
22/06/2014 11:14
Marcus has been hit on the pad a few times.

Little Bird
22/06/2014 11:18
I'd suggest, assuming we bat well, a good toss to win, as our bowling attack has been weakened.

Bat sensibly today, get some runs on the board, and see what happens. The old scoreboard pressure tactic we saw at Old Trafford.

That said, in Notts last match, Middlesex hit them for over 400 on the first day and still lost!

Losing Alf looks like a big blow but who knows, it might not have been his sort of wicket or weather conditions, if it's warm and sunny.

Pity TG hasn't played for Derbyshire this month or we could have thrown him straight in.

No word yet on Alf..strangely the club said about Myburgh's finger but no mention of Alf.

Treeman
22/06/2014 11:19
BBC live event 16. Sounds like hard work for Jones and Tres at the moment.

Phrench Phil
22/06/2014 11:24
Both Jones and Compton out. 14 for 2.

Little Bird
22/06/2014 11:25
Oh Dear.

This will be a very good test of our CC aspirations.

AGod
22/06/2014 11:26
This match probably Jones's last chance to convince DN and himself that he has a cricketing future.

Not a good start for him. Seems to get bowled all too frequently.

Frome Exile
22/06/2014 11:31
They must have been tempted to chuck "Pips" straight in.

Phrench Phil
22/06/2014 12:05
AP ct. 40 for 3.

Little Bird
22/06/2014 12:08
It will be interesting to hear from Marcus later as to his thinking when winning the toss.

It sounds like quite a green pitch, and he tends to be an inserter. I wonder if not having Alf available influenced his decision.

Phrench Phil
22/06/2014 12:12
And now James. Bowled Adams.

Frome Exile
22/06/2014 12:17
2 men bowled and 4 byes conceded by Read suggest it might not be the most even of pitches?

#clutchingatstraws

Little Bird
22/06/2014 12:20
Patel has just dropped Tres.

Haha!

Little Bird
22/06/2014 13:05
I'm not at Trent Bridge but that did sound like an excellent morning's cricket, a bit like a Taunton CC match where opposition captains might bat first when winning the toss and then seeing the ball do a lot for the first hour before things calm down a bit?

It sounds as if we've fought back well after a very bad start. You can't win games on the opening morning but you can go a long way to losing them, and who knows, the way we've fought back from 46-4 could yet be very important as the match develops.

Tres has had a few lives but great to see he's battled to lunch. I doubt he'd have done that last season.

AGod
22/06/2014 13:09
Nightmare train journey. Only got here 15 mins ago.

First thought? Execrable outfield. So slow that even drives to the (very) short boundary are not getting over the rope.

SCCC fan behind me says track did all sorts for first hour.

I imagine it was like it was in 2011 when Notts started it damp and Jones did well to block for an hour helping to set up tons by CK and JH after lunch on what, by then, was a flat track.

It is VERY humid so I assume it would have swung earlier too. And the long green grass of the outfield would maximise the amount of time that the shiny side would stay that way.

After I arrived I saw one ball pop at Tres which was the sort of thing that happened pre lunch in 2011.

Little Bird
22/06/2014 13:27
Any of the SCC supporters who were there from the start questioning the decision to bat?

Grockle
22/06/2014 13:37
The weather conditions an hour before the start were not those that existed at the start of the game. The ball did an awful lot from 11, spitting off a length, going through at ankle height but all the Notts bowlers used those conditions well. Just a difficult morning. Alvaro and Marcus did well to keep a lid on it, the one that got AP was I. Te air for an absolute age. We all thought it was safe Wessels did really well to keep his concentration.

James misread the line and Adams got one to dart back a mile.

(Sm72)

AGod
22/06/2014 13:49
Poor looking lbw vs CK, I thought. Looked like it was going down.

He's come off and had a massive go at a moron who had been standing behind the arm, got in the moron's face and has sworn at him a couple of times.

Little Bird
22/06/2014 13:49
You heard anything about Alf, Grockle?

AGod
22/06/2014 14:00
Poor shot from PT vs Gurney. Waft at undeserving wide ball and we are in the mire, desperately needing someone to stay with Tresco.

AGod
22/06/2014 14:01
Gurney definitely swinging it now.

Grockle
22/06/2014 14:05
Nothing at all I'm afraid. Banger has just gone past 50 and Mesch has hit a straight drive back past Adams but its a difficult day for batting. As AG says, not a great shot by Pete and CK could be allowed to be aggrieved at the LBW.

Gonna be a looong afternoon I'm afraid.

(Sm72)

Little Bird
22/06/2014 14:09
I'd be batting Pete at 9 in this side.

Kingston Black
22/06/2014 14:10
The commentary team just mentioned that Alf has "tweaked his back".

KB

dyce74
22/06/2014 14:10
Quote:
Little Bird
You heard anything about Alf, Grockle?

Marcus said on SSN after the toss that Alf had a stiff back that need managing at his age.

Bagpuss
22/06/2014 14:11
I've just read this thread from the beginning, for the firt time.

Oh the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.....

Little Bird
22/06/2014 14:12
Thanks for that update KB and Dyce.

Interesting that every side who won the toss this morning decided to bat, and wickets have been tumbling everywhere.

Not good news for us but Yorks have reduced Warks to 90-6 (from 64-1).

Maybe we should have kept up our trend of inserting, but it seemed a good decision at 10.45, especially without Alf! And still a long way to go yet...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2014:06:22:14:18:01 by Little Bird.

North Berwick John
22/06/2014 14:16
All 4 Div 1 sides who won the toss this morning chose to bat, and all bar Lancashire are struggling - and even they are not doing terribly well against Northants. Interesting, but 4 mins too late!!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014:06:22:14:17:50 by North Berwick John.

Grockle
22/06/2014 14:19
The cloud cover seems to have just dropped down around the start of play. It was fresh when I left Worksop at about 10 (20 miles away). By the time I got to the ground it was very close.

(Sm72)

Frome Exile
22/06/2014 14:21
Warks 97 for 6. Durham and Lancs 4 and three down respectively.
A bowling day, it seems.

AGod
22/06/2014 14:37
We'll need Meschede in top bowling form. Plenty of swing here.

GD won't feature much if conditions stay the same and we don't know if we can trust JO to pitch it up. So need CM in song to support CO and PT with ball.

Craig O just gone too so time for the boss to have a thrash.

We're going to be defending only 150/160 by the looks..

Little Bird
22/06/2014 14:39
The 8 men out so far have made 48 between them.

Extras could well be our second highest scorer at this rate sad smiley

Grockle
22/06/2014 14:48
Watching the skipper farming the strike halfway through the second session of Day 1 of a four day game is somewhat unusual.

(Sm72)

AGod
22/06/2014 15:02
Possibly about to be shafted by the weather.

Clearing up a bit and some hot sunshine.

Still feels very sticky though.

Mike TA1
22/06/2014 15:12
Thank goodness Marcus was dropped early on without his knock we would have been up a creek without a paddle

Little Bird
22/06/2014 15:20
Win the toss, bat first, all out before tea on a day when it's swinging..but our best swing bowler is injured...Hmmm!

Will need a Herculean effort now by our bowlers! Come on lads

Grockle
22/06/2014 15:25
It's what they get paid for. You can train and look good all summer but it's days like this that make your name.

I do think you're right AG. We have been shafted by the change in the weather, Alf's absence probably 'swung' the argument. BUT if you want to win the top title you have to play to the conditions irrespective of what gets thrown at you.

Not at all impressive. Let's hope they get the same and we give it to them in equal measure.

(Sm72)

Little Bird
22/06/2014 15:32
We won the toss and therefore I don't think we can have any complaints about the weather. We were in charge of our own destiny at 10.45.

In fairness, we've had very few bad sessions all season, let alone bad days. Today may be the first but still plenty of cricket left in this one. Time for the bowlers (and slip fielders hopefully) to bring us back into this one.

AGod
22/06/2014 15:34
Just looked at track. Not excessively grassed.

Can only assume they started it damp as pitch apparently did all sorts early on.

Think we'll be reliant on movement through the air

Little Bird
22/06/2014 15:48
Maybe this stat about us not winning any game this season after winning the toss is just coincidence..after all, we might well have beaten Lancs had the weather not ruined things..or maybe it's a sign that we do still misread conditions on a regular basis?

Grockle
22/06/2014 16:12
Did a quick poll of Somerset guys here at Tea who were here at start. To a man when Marcus won the toss they all hoped he would bat. We were in charge of our own destiny indeed. We're all pretty impressive armchair pundits though.

(Sm72)

Little Bird
22/06/2014 16:16
I'm not even there, so I'm not posting and saying we made the wrong decision!

Grockle
22/06/2014 16:28
Did anyone suggest that is what you said?

(Sm72)

rodders
22/06/2014 16:45
Bad day at the office though whichever way you look at it. Have to agree with Grockle that if you aspire to be top of the tree then you need to overcome such bad situations. Seems like our bowlers have been much less impressive then theirs were and the whole wicket scenario can't have changed that much over a tea interval.
Just perhaps we are a little fortunate to have done so well thus far - time for a reality check ? - are we really that dependant on one bowler ?
Now take 6 wickets before the close and prove me wrong - pretty please !!

Grockle
22/06/2014 16:58
It is probably more likely that Notts will go ahead before the end of play and may do it without loss Phil Jacques has just gone to a 57 ball 50.

(Sm72)

Little Bird
22/06/2014 17:13
Quote:
Grockle
Did anyone suggest that is what you said?

No no..I was just making it clear in case it came across that way!

Grockle
22/06/2014 17:18
Somerset are being absolutely and totally outplayed at the moment in all aspects of this game.

Jamie has gone for 8.6 an over off 5

Craig M was initially tight but has now gone for 28 off his 5

Peter has been hammered as well and they trail us by 35 runs.

NOT a great day to be a Somerset cricket watcher I'm afraid. I'll get my coat and book myself on the next plane back to Muscat.

(Sm72)

Grockle
22/06/2014 17:21
Jamie may have damaged himself trying to get the breakthrough. He bowled one and the. Went on a wander holding his side/arm. He finished the over in good order and is staying on the pitch but he does put some effort in on certain balls

(Sm72)

Ronniesabre
22/06/2014 17:29
He's bowled like a club bowler all season. I'm amazed they picked him instead if the new boy. Totally amazed!!

Grockle
22/06/2014 17:29
False alarm. Jamie is bowling the 28th but getting flayed to the boundary every ball. 8 off 2 and a 3 man discussion. Huge bouncer to follow. 4 off 4th and 150 up off 166.

Jamie goes around the wicket and saves the over...sort of.

Notts need 18 to take the lead. 16 overs to go.

(Sm72)

Grizzers
22/06/2014 17:44
Oh dear.

Good job Marcus got a score, as there's not much else positive to take from that scorecard.

Grizzzly

Grockle
22/06/2014 18:00
The morning session bears absolutely no comparison to this afternoon. The ball was spitting, variable in bounce and it was swinging in the air. It did look like an absolute nightmare to bat on. However Marcus survived, others didn't and I've been here before when a pitch has seemed to be impossible to bat on and then benign for the other side. We will see what happens in the second innings but maybe it is just that today we are the poorer batting and bowling side and Notts simply made considerably more of the conditions than we have been able to do.

It can't always be luck... though having said that we are now batting in glorious sunshine with the home side at 200 without loss. It must be solo difficult to get a bunch of guys up after a drubbing like this for the next days's play.

(Sm72)



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2014:06:23:10:00:10 by Grockle.

Grockle
22/06/2014 18:12
Dockers takes a wicket as Mullaney swipes at one, top edges ND is caught in the deep by Pete for 91 203 for 1

(Sm72)

Little Bird
22/06/2014 18:14
Hurray! It would be nice to get at least one bonus point out of the match smiling smiley

AGod
22/06/2014 18:18
Staring null points and an innings defeat in the face at this rate.

Bowled nearly as badly as on day 1, session 3 vs Notts at Taunton (when we conceded 186 in the session)

I'd somehow booked the wrong night for hotel so that settled matters, wasn't going to buy another one and back to London as watching Somerset get absolutely slaughtered is not my idea of fun, I'm afraid.

Tresco and Craig O about the only people to emerge with any credit from this most dispiriting of days for SCCC.

Grockle
22/06/2014 18:29
And it is worth mention George on a pitch that offers him very very little he plugged away and frustrated the only scalp we got in the day.

I'm here for at least 3 though I can't guarantee my county side will be in my own county's capital.

(Sm72)

Tops
22/06/2014 19:38
Such a bad day that all we should do is remind ourselves of the good cricket that we have shown this season and move on. The sign of a good side is how we react to such a day; this match may be beyond us, but we can still show pride and fight.
Well done to Craig O, his figures look commendable in comparison with the rest of the seamers; others are certainly playing for their place with hopefully Alfonso and Lewis back soon and Tim G available.

Little Bird
22/06/2014 19:44
I'm sorry for those who paid good money to go up to Nottingham. They're entitled to be as critical as they wish. Those of us frustrated back in Somerset didn't shell out any money at least.

What I would say, from 200 miles away, is today was our first genuinely bad day of the whole CC season so far, and in our 9th match that's not so bad considering low expectations at the start of the campaign. Although they've shown considerable improvement this season, an attack of Mesh, the Overtons and Dockrell is still a relatively young one, and there are bound to be bad days to go with the good. With no Alf or Gregory, we've lost 49 CC wickets this season in this game. Pity TG was considered too rusty to play.

It's been one of the pleasures of the season to see Marcus return to form, but I don't think many would disagree his/our decisions on winning the toss over the past season and a half have not always been the best. Hindsight maybe today, but still.

So we've had a bad day and will probably need to bat for 2 days to save this one. Let's see how we react out of adversity!

AGod
22/06/2014 20:34
The most worrying thing about today was that this was the second successive first dig in which we were confronted with some good new ball bowling and the top six floundered on each occasion - 38-5 vs Sussex, followed by 40-4 today.

Roger ivanhoe
22/06/2014 21:05
Well at least I experienced a first today at Trent Bridge.

After Peter Siddle's first spell he requested a change of boots, a selection were brought out by the Notts 12th man Luke Fletcher, after changes for new Siddle must has said bin the pair he had been wearing.
Upon return through the members area, Fletcher asked if anybody wanted the old boots, one spectator( not playing age) said yes I will have them

So if you see a pair of Peter Siddle's smelly boots for sale on EBay, you will know were they came from.


Oh, and Somerset 12th man today was James Burke.

AGod
22/06/2014 21:32
Little Bird - re: the toss.

I have to say that, had Tresco decided to field (or had NOtts won it and decided to bat) I think it's very unlikely that we would have bowled Notts out for only 160 odd.

The reason I say that is that Notts bowled well as a four man seam unit but it's very unlikely that we could/would have done the same because one of our four is nowhere near being at the races. Even if we'd had helpful conditions in favour of our bowlers at the start you still have to bowl line and length to exploit them and I'm afraid that there's no reason to think that Jamie O would have done so.

I understand that TG had not bowled since the start of the month so might have been a bit ring rusty. But, still, it's surprising that JO was considered a better option.

Steve Kirby? I think he's fit now but is he judged to be in such poor form that JO represents a better option with Alf out?

I do rather wonder whether JO is bowling well in nets/training because it's very hard to believe that he would have got picked if his radar is nowhere near functioning in practice?

I don't wish to worry anyone, but in 2012 the scores were thus:

Notts: 162 all out. Chris Read 104, next best score Mullaney with 10.

Somerset: 445-2 Declared (Suppiah 124, Hildreth 102 not out, Compdog 204 not out) and we only declared at 445 because significant time had been lost to rain. I saw that whole innings and I think we could have made 600-700 had we wanted to.

Obviously, this was a match where batting was tough in the first dig and then conditions swung sharply in favour of the bat - and I fear that is the exact situation that we face now.

I'm not absolutely sure why we failed to swing the ball. It was still humid when we bowled and there was still quite a bit of cloud cover around. I suppose, sometimes, you get a cherry that just does not swing. But we're not going to end another one for 40 overs or so...

AGod
23/06/2014 07:18
Right, new day.

Won't be easy but on the other hand there's considerable scope for possible improvement on yesterday, with Trego the most obvious potential source of it. He was too short too often yesterday on a day where everything seemed to go wrong for him - poor shot with bat and even his goalkeeping letting him down at long leg a couple of times.

But he's been in decent bowling form in the CC in recent games and should have learned from yesterday what length not to bowl.

I thought Craig O was steady yesterday but could have made the batsmen play more - a bit too wide of off-stick yesterday so there's a chance he'll get them playing more today.

Meschede bowls that lovely wicket to wicket line and only needs a smidgen of movement and hopefully he can get that if there's extra cloud around.

Failing all the above, perhaps when we get to a new cherry then we'll get the new one to swing!

geordie moonraker
23/06/2014 09:08
We had a lovely day sitting in the warm yesterday. The only thing wrong was the cricket. We arrived at 10.05 and there was no doubt at all that it was a win toss and bat day.By 10.55 there was a lot of doubt. Marcus never looked confident before lunch and all credit and respect to him for hanging in. Not many people are out to a piece of athleticism from Samit Patel. Craig K was right to be annoyed for he was disturbed by movement as he shaped upto his first ball after lunch and concentration was broken but I am worrying about JH.
I was impressed with Gurney who must be next cab on the rank for England. The afternoon was beautiful for batting and Notts facing a low total obviously decided to be very attacking. I felt we were slightly disadvantaged as tea was taken at the close of our innings which meant we had to bowl 44 overs without a break in very warm conditions.
So what of today in sultry conditions. My best hope is for us to slow down the run rate and get them out for under 500. Looking at the batting to come that will take some doing.We then have to bat long and slow or I shall be checking out early.

NW5Somerset
23/06/2014 09:21
Quote:
Little Bird
I'm sorry for those who paid good money to go up to Nottingham. They're entitled to be as critical as they wish. Those of us frustrated back in Somerset didn't shell out any money at least.
What I would say, from 200 miles away, is today was our first genuinely bad day of the whole CC season so far, and in our 9th match that's not so bad considering low expectations at the start of the campaign. Although they've shown considerable improvement this season, an attack of Mesh, the Overtons and Dockrell is still a relatively young one, and there are bound to be bad days to go with the good. With no Alf or Gregory, we've lost 49 CC wickets this season in this game. Pity TG was considered too rusty to play.

It's been one of the pleasures of the season to see Marcus return to form, but I don't think many would disagree his/our decisions on winning the toss over the past season and a half have not always been the best. Hindsight maybe today, but still.

So we've had a bad day and will probably need to bat for 2 days to save this one. Let's see how we react out of adversity!

WHAT HE SAID!

North Berwick John
23/06/2014 09:36
Overcast and humid conditions forecast for the next 3 days, so anything can happen judging by yesterday. Conditions cannot however explain going for between 4 and 8 an over, so today's bowling performance is crucial.

AGod
23/06/2014 10:03
Yeah the green that was apparently there at the start won't be returning to the pitch. Which is why movement through the air is paramount.

However, even in the final session yesterday there was the odd bit of uneven bounce, so that's something else to work with when we bowl, albeit not a good thing when we come to bat again. One ball from the Pavilion End from Jamie O kept absurdly low. If it had been straight Mullaney would have had no chance and would have been lbw.

Although I only made it for the last 20 mins of the first session, it did possibly look to me as though the ball swung more after lunch for Notts than it was doing in the 20 mins before lunch. If so, then it could be that the ball swung more once it got a bit older. For conventional swing that would be unusual but, hey, it's a straw and I shall grasp at it.

Grockle
23/06/2014 10:13
Once more this suggestion that Marcus made a mistake at the toss...not said but implied for the nth time by people who were not here when the decision was made.

Please read this carefully...the weather conditions changed MARKEDLY in the hour before the game started. EVERYONE without fail that I have talked to, journalists, Notts supporters, Somerset supporters were very surprised by the nature of the pitch in the first hour of Day 1 and nearly all of them expected the toss winner to bat.

There is ample criticism that can be focussed on how Somerset dealt with that or praise for how good Notts were. However...

I understand you all have your own opinions of MT as a captain but please either come out and say what you mean in terms of your opinion or base your comments on the factual info from those who are actually there. This kind of...'I'm not saying he made a bad decision but evidence suggests he probably did (because I really think he's no great shakes as a captain and this allows me to have another dig)' stuff is really quite.... what's the word I'm looking for.... tedious.

That is of course my own opinion of these comments. I'd like to point out that I am not a full advocate of the present skipper, am not paid by the county and have no SCCC credentials.(Sm101)

(Sm72)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014:06:23:10:28:11 by Grockle.

AGod
23/06/2014 10:49
One might say that, at 90 or so for 4 in what sounded very difficult conditions, the first session was not really that bad from a SCCC point of view.

So even if you take the view that we were ambushed a bit by the weather, one could say that we got through the "ambush," session okay.

Arguably, with 6 wickets still in hand at lunch, we should have made a much better fist of the second session of the day.

With the exception of CK and JO, none of the wickets that fell in the second session involved guys getting out defending their wickets.

PT flashed at a wide one. CM was caught at mid-off, driving. I think it was a slower ball. CO looked all at sea in his brief time at the crease and, I think, actually ended up managing to get an inside edge to a ball some way wide of off-stick. Marcus was obviously trying to get a move on by the time he was out playing at a wide one that he was trying to hit either over or past the slips.

Not for the first time, George Dockrell looked very tidy from a defensive stand-point and might, perhaps, have been able to keep his Captain company for some time.

Frome Exile
23/06/2014 10:51
This is not me being pedantic for the sake of it, or intended as a rebuttal of anything above, Grockle, but is actually a genuine query, as I'm really not sure. You make several references to "the hour" befire the start of play: the toss isn't that early, is it? Isn't it 30 mins before the scheduled start, as in a Test match?

chunkyinargyll
23/06/2014 10:57
FE

Yes- toss would be at 10.30

Last week the first 3 days at Trent Bridge were played under cloud, with the floodlights on most of the time it was so bad, Different pitch obviously- but in fact high scores throughout- cloudy or not.

AGod
23/06/2014 11:04
That was my thought also, FE.

It may well be that Marcus was in a bit of a quandry by the time the toss took place, depending on exactly how overcast it was at 10:30am, especially as the track was apparently quite verdant at the start.

BUT.. we've heard from Marcus in similar situations to this before - for example at Horsham last season, where his view has been that things might be tough for an hour or so, but he backs the top order to battle through and then the team to prosper when it flattens out.

Our position at lunch was NOT at all dissimilar to the position in 2012 when we were sent in at TB and the ball did all sorts... In 2012, we lost Tresco to Adams for 22, Jones to the same bowler for 10, Arul for a duck to Broad and Compdog for a duck to Fletcher. So we were four down for not all that many (I think it was about 85 if I remember rightly) at lunch in 2012.

BUT.... in easier conditions after lunch, Hildreth made 137 and Kieswetter 164 on that occasion. And so we totalled 386.

Grockle
23/06/2014 11:07
Yes FE. What I am saying that according to the weather reports I was looking at AND the general weather I experienced on the way to the ground, the information was that it was going to be a clear, dry and sunny day. Those conditions changed drastically around the time of that 10:30ish decision.

The conditions when I got to my hotel at 10:20 and the conditions when I reached the ground just after the start of play were VERY different in terms of humidity and cloud cover.

I mentioned earlier that the injury to Alf might have been the deciding factor in Trescothick's decision on Sunday morning but it is the almost constant hindsight carping about toss decisions which continue even when people at the event have explained the situation that I personally find worthy of comment because they seem to be more geared to looking for reason to discuss fault in the skipper rather than in investigating the particular circumstances of the specific game.

(Sm72)

Mike TA1
23/06/2014 11:10
A wicket, one more for a point.

AGod
23/06/2014 11:12
Thank you, Mesch, he gets yet another left-hander.

Grockle
23/06/2014 11:12
Jacques swipes at a Meschede long hop and Nick takes a good diving catch at backward point. 43 runs ahead 211 for 2

(Sm72)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014:06:23:11:15:59 by Grockle.

AGod
23/06/2014 11:25
Any sign of swing yet, this morning, Grockle?

AGod
23/06/2014 11:33
That wicket of Jacques is the only one to have fallen in the first half-hour of CC cricket this morning.

Grockle
23/06/2014 11:36
Not that is obvious from here. Somerset started with Craig O at the Old Pavilion and Craig M from the new one.

Jamie warming up with blue sellotape strapped on the calves above both knees

Jacques hit a nothing ball to the only midfield player and NC took it well.

MT has 2 slips and point 6/3 offside field with only one man either side in the deep (Long Off and legside sweeper)

(Sm72)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014:06:23:11:39:37 by Grockle.

Grockle
23/06/2014 11:43
Shahzad has gone to Overton, caught Jones at mid on 231 for 3 There's the point Mike!

Things is looking up

(Sm72)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014:06:23:11:44:51 by Grockle.

AGod
23/06/2014 11:48
And those TWO wickets that we've taken this morning are still, I think, the only wickets to have fallen in the CC today.

AGod
23/06/2014 11:49
Workload on Craig Overton starting to get a bit high, I would have thought? Need to be a bit careful with him still?

AGod
23/06/2014 11:57
Taylor a big challenge for very tall men to bowl to because their natural length is back of a length to a normal size batsman - a length which is too short to Taylor.

Loyal of Lhasa
23/06/2014 12:01
I am sure that Taylor regards his size as normal.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Grockle
23/06/2014 12:04
Pete and Jamie have now taken over. Taylor is a very compact cricketer in every way.

(Sm72)

AGod
23/06/2014 12:19
A fluke wicket for Trego, by the sounds.

Will bring out Patel to join Hales and this will be the partnership that has the potential, for Notts, to accelerate them along at a very rapid rate.

Wickham
23/06/2014 12:26
How was he out, AG.?

AGod
23/06/2014 12:27
Caught down the leg-side, as per the radio.

Did not sound as if Taylor was very happy with the decision, either.

AGod
23/06/2014 12:31
Yes!!!! Jamie has a wicket and Hales gone. Sounded like he flapped at a short one, caught fine-leg by Craig O.

AGod
23/06/2014 12:34
If I was a Notts fan, I would be fairly unhappy with this morning session, I'd think.

Grockle
23/06/2014 12:53
It's raining heavy thunderstorm but not a long term problem. But a better position than first thing this morning and Notts have given us quite a lot of 'em.

(Sm72)

AGod
23/06/2014 12:57
A huge bonus when wickets are donated.

The trick now is to make sure that we make them bowl at least 10 good balls to bowl us out when we get to bat again. Before that, let's at least get a second bowling bonus point, and hopefully all three with the help of the second new ball.

Grockle
23/06/2014 13:25
Somerset opening with Cockrell after lunch.

(Sm72)

Grockle
23/06/2014 13:34
Patel and Wessels took George for 8 but Jamie, second over, for only 1. Overcast here so who knows.

(Sm72)

Grockle
23/06/2014 13:49
Well whatever the plan was with GD it hasn't worked because these two have taken the lead to 149 and their partnership to 50 off 56 balls. The momentum pre lunch seems to have gone.

(Sm72)

AGod
23/06/2014 13:55
Hope it's not the start of another really poor session from our point of view.

Grockle
23/06/2014 14:01
Jamie is causing problems to the Notts batsmen Samit is not happy and there are conversations between Wessels and Trego, those two and the umpire, MT, Jove and the ump. Samit is getting out of the way of deliveries and is hit on the backside for his troubles.

Lots of short stuff. He'll be off now.

(Sm72)

AGod
23/06/2014 14:04
Has Overton been warned?

I see the no-balls have crept back in.

Unless it's absolutely ridiculous in terms of volume of short stuff, then I can't see that he should be removed - not for bowling at Patel? Some inept tail-ender would be a different kettle of fish?

AGod
23/06/2014 14:26
Getting carted. Even Craig Overton proving expensive with new ball - looks like Wessels is really climbing into him?

All this and Read, Siddle and Adams still to come.

Will have to bat rather well to avoid an innings defeat, one would think.

Grockle
23/06/2014 14:46
I don't think Jamie was warned. It was more Wessels looking out for Patel who seemed to suddenly find Jammie's body stuff difficult to deal with. At one point he was taking evasive action to leg as the ball was being fired over the stumps.

Wessels seems to have voiced his concern to Pete and then to the umpire and at the end of the over Marcus simply seemed to ask if anything was amiss. Jamie did seem to get a little carried away but it was the over before the new ball and it was going to be all change anyway. Since then the Notts men have got on with it and the workhorse that is Craig Overton is getting nothing for the massive effort he has put in to try and keep this in check.

(Sm72)

AGod
23/06/2014 14:56
If Alf and TG are both available for Lancs, one wonders if Craig O might need a break.

AGod
23/06/2014 15:06
Well, in theory, no excuse for not making plenty of runs in our second dig on this deck!?

Of course, we know it's not always that simple, but still, top six in need of some sustained time in the middle and feel of ball in the middle of the bat!!

Salvage some pride!

Loyal of Lhasa
23/06/2014 15:16
At least Murray has won in straight sets and Uruguay have been expelled from the World Cup for fielding ineligible players.

(Time for another nap)

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

AGod
23/06/2014 15:20
Have they?

Grockle
23/06/2014 15:29
Cove FINALLY gets the wicket he so richly deserves as he gets one to go away from Patel and has him caught behind for 94

(Sm72)

Mike TA1
23/06/2014 15:35
3 bowling points.

AGod
23/06/2014 15:37
Well done, Craig Overton.

We only need 600 to make a game of this...

Grockle
23/06/2014 15:41
Craig suddenly has 4. The André Adams wicket was superb reactions from our aging skipper who received a full force smash from AA, simply picked it out of the air and rolled it along the ground to the umpire.

I'm personally not sure about this strategy of taking wickets by the boys. It may backfire.

(Sm72)

Nailsea_Fizz
23/06/2014 15:49
Well that's the dangerous notts tail sorted.

Shame about the lengthy patnership otherwise it would have been a great response. Over to the batsmen now.

AGod
23/06/2014 15:51
Re: backfiring, Grockle, let's face it we must be long odds against to save the match anyway, with 7 sessions still to go, so I'd rather at least get the bowling bonus points!

AGod
23/06/2014 16:35
I'd think Adams, even at 39 or whatever he is, will probably still be the biggest danger that Notts have.

Phrench Phil
23/06/2014 16:48
Three consecutive fours for Trescothick, then out. Ct Patel, bd Gurney.

Grockle
23/06/2014 17:21
Gurney got one to spit and MT gloved it. Adams has just skittled Nick so the assessment of AA may be right. He looked dangerous in the first and is no less so now.

(Sm72)

AGod
23/06/2014 17:21
We needed Compton to bat for two days, but Adams has got him.

Curtains for us, really.

Worryingly, quite a few Lancashire players have built up some form/momentum all of a sudden too - Prince, Croft, Buttler and Smith have all scored heavily in the current game, albeit vs Northants.

Smith has been in good form with the ball all season and Kyle Hogg did well with the ball in their previous game, so all of a sudden it looks as though Lancs look considerably stronger than they did when we went up to Old Trafford.

Grockle
23/06/2014 17:44
Fighting 50 from Jonah off 80 balls.

(Sm72)

AGod
23/06/2014 17:46
If he can convert it it could be his big breakthrough in terms of CC1.


As it is it looks a good score compared to almost all of the other scores made by our top six in this match.

AGod
23/06/2014 17:49
David Fulton said it was a poor decision vs AP (sliding down).

rodders
23/06/2014 18:56
Sad to say poor stuff really - have to live a bit longer yet to see my dream come true.

Both bowling and batting below par and below the opposition standard. Don't win titles like that.

What is it with Somerset - well supported, financially in good shape, keep changing the management and the players, seem to have good youngsters coming through BUT always not quite there. Is there a significant malaise we are not aware of or what. I have my own opinions but would really welcome yours chaps and chapesses. As Grockle says we can't blame luck for ever can we !

AGod
23/06/2014 19:05
It's only one game, Rodders.

It wasn't good that we were apparently forced to pick a guy, in Jamie Overton, that does not seem to have his skills remotely where they need to be.

I still think the CC is very open this year, though there can be no hiding from the fact that taking only 3 points (barring sudden bad weather) from this match will be a huge blow, points and position wise and that the manner of the defeat may be a significant check to whatever confidence had built up in the lads over the first half of the season.

I still think that if we can get all of Alf, Gregory and Craig Overton fit and on the field at the same time (and I think Lewis and Craig O have possibly played in the same match only once this season) then we have a pace attack that could take us a long way.

On the other hand?

Batting. Shades of last season in the last couple of first digs with 5 for naff all vs Sussex and 4 for 40 vs Notts.

Still not sure we have enough batsmen with the requisite concentration and stickability to tough it out when conditions are tough.

Frome Exile
23/06/2014 19:30
From 5 for naff-all versus Sussex, did we not win br an innings?
Where there's life there's hope, they say, and if we ca bat through tomorrow and into day 4, we'll have some sort of lead by then, and all four results may yet be possible.

Mike TA1
23/06/2014 19:34
Agree, there is always a chance.

AGod
23/06/2014 19:58
Unfortunately, FE, Sussex only had one bowler bowling anything like at Taunton. Every time Magoffin went off batting looked easy.

Notts have been able to hunt as a pack, which is a big difference. There's no Luke Wright or Will Beer to come on and bowl really loose stuff. Nor is there anyone as innocuous as Piolet or Anyon.

Therefore, you'd get long odds indeed on us batting through even more 3 sessions in this match, let alone the 5 that we'd need to bat to be reasonably sure of getting out of dodge.

Personally, I shall be surprised if we are still batting after tea tomorrow.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014:06:23:20:06:58 by AGod.

geordie moonraker
23/06/2014 21:28
I thought we did OK.
We restricted Notts to 251 for 9 which considering their batting and our bowling was good.
Jamie needs more control and more nous. Jones has shown some lovely offside strokes while the ball that Gurney bowled to take Marcus was an absolute beauty. Nevertheless unless JH discovers the form of yesteryear I fear tea time may be our limit

wsm fan
23/06/2014 22:09
Just back from a very pleasant 2 day trip.
Very much spoilt by an awful first day but oh well.
Lovely B+B, great weather, my favourite test ground, friendly stewards, just the cricket that let things down!

Sure most has been said but lets remember given last year we are going to have a record from 9 games most likely of 3 wins 5 draws 1 defeat, pretty good I'd say?

Jove looks so lost, really sad, he's trying so hard but radar has completely gone.
Resorted in end to just bowling half way down around the wicket, not pretty but at least a tactic. Umpire wasn't happy and the Notts fans gave him plenty of stick for it.

Good fightback today but obviously way too late, a bit of fight tomorrow may possibly take us just into day 4 but wouldn't bet on it!

Notts look a strong side to me, I'd imagine them and Yorkies will be final top 2.

The Alviro lbw looked a stinker to me, he had fallen way over to leg, maybe just hitting another set!
The Tres ball was a brute, jumped off a length so no blame for that one.

I assume all the tres bashers were full of praise yesterday for avoiding us a complete embarrassment!!!??? He looked a class above whilst carnage falling all around him.

Ronniesabre
23/06/2014 22:25
Yes notts and yorks look favourites. Now can we please now concentrate on the royal London competition now....

wsm fan
23/06/2014 22:39
I certainly will not say we are favourites but this is one bad match in 9.

We have Northants to play twice, no guarantees but every chance of 40+ points there with decent weather.

As I say we aren't favourites and I think we are not quite there this year for a title winning 4 day team but who knows.

We have Lewis back soon, I like Timmy G so he will not hurt, assuming Alfie isn't long term and with development of Cove I think we do have a seam attack to get us a few more wins.
There is a lot more to come from the batting too, you'd say only Tres and Alviro are having seasons they'd say were ok, Hildy, Tregs, CK, Jones, Compo all have much more to show us in the second half.

My glass is still half full, bring on the "Lankys" Sunday and the return of Jos.....

Frome Exile
23/06/2014 22:40
If we start concentrating on a fifty over trinket because of one relatively minor, and as yet unconfirmed, reverse in the CC, then we don't deserve to ever win the one that really counts. IMHO.

Ronniesabre
23/06/2014 22:47
Comment was tongue in cheek FE.

AGod
23/06/2014 22:58
Well, WSM, we might hope that there is more to come from the batting but that doesn't necessarily mean that there is.

In truth 5, 6 and 7 have struggled to find their best form since the 2012 season ended.

I thought, last season, that Tres's struggles, those of Arul and the early season absence of Compton probably lay directly behind the issues of those three guys at 5, 6 and 7(too much exposure to the newish ball.)

But this season, with a better return from the top three, not much has really changed.

They certainly have theoretical scope to bat for a very long time in this match and we could very much do with them finding some form ahead of the Lancs game.

AGod
23/06/2014 23:03
As for other CC contenders all have their issues and weaknesses.

Notts will shortly lose both of their Aussies. Later in the season they will lose Gurney to the ODIs. And if they get stuck on a turning track away from home then Samit as the spin option does not inspire much confidence.

For all the hype around Yorkshire, they've still beaten only one team not named Northants.

And, yes, they seem to be in a strong position vs Warks in the current match but Edgbaston often gets slower and flatter for the seamers, offering only turn towards the end of the match so I wouldn't be shocked if Warks manage to wriggle out of trouble.

Frome Exile
23/06/2014 23:40
Quote:
Ronniesabre
Comment was tongue in cheek FE.

Oh, sorry. Too tired to spot TIC.
winking smiley

Ronniesabre
24/06/2014 06:26
No worries. I was too tired to put a TIC in !!

AGod
24/06/2014 07:22
The three men dismissed so far in this innings have made 1582 CC runs between them this season.

Hildreth, and the next two to come, CK and PT only about 800 between the three of them. Hildreth, in his 8th match of the season has only 277 CC runs, meaning he is currently "on pace," to score fewer than 600 for the season.

Number of innings wise, the three dismissed have had only one more innings each than JH, two than CK.

So it's obvious where our batting most needs to improve.

If those three could score well today then hopefully that would set them up for the second half of the season - a season where we clearly need more from this 'engine room,' of 5, 6 and 7 if we are to mount a sustained CC challenge.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014:06:24:07:24:56 by AGod.

geordie moonraker
24/06/2014 07:42
Yes this is a setback and I don't expect any more than 3 pts and batting past lunch but the CC is tight and we are no way out of the mix at the moment. 2 good results- and why not- and the picture becomes a lot rosier.

AGod
24/06/2014 07:46
Absolutely, GM.

And provided that the team itself manages to avoid thinking in that way, then the two Northants games would seem to offer scope for two more good results.

Yorkshire would NOT be to the fore at present had they not "swept" Northants.

Grockle
24/06/2014 08:52
Might be worth pointing out that the Notts supporters are nearly all grateful for a decent performance from their guys. They haven't been at all impressed this season. 7 to go folks.

(Sm72)

AGod
24/06/2014 09:11
Have they not?

In previous seasons, they've been a very grumbly lot when I've been at Trent Bridge. In 2011 and 2012 every time one of their batsmen went out to bat there were dark mutterings. And much in the way of gallows humour.

I didn't hear any of that on Sunday so assumed that they were feeling better about things.

Then again, to judge from the averages, up until this match the pattern of their season was their batsmen scoring loads of runs and their bowlers conceding loads, so maybe it's their bowlers that have urinated them off this season?

Grockle
24/06/2014 10:36
Nottinghamshire press boys are certainly not lauding their attack this season. They were almost more surprised by their bowlers first morning than our guys were by our batting.

I wouldn't start the huge plaudits for Gurney just yet either. He's tidy and looks good but before he got MT with a ball that reared unusually off a decent length our man had made him look decidedly ordinary

(Sm72)

AGod
24/06/2014 11:51
Filthy looking clouds around at Headingley, so one wonders if there may be any wet stuff headed for TB?

England most certainly do not deserve to be rescued by the weather today.

AGod
24/06/2014 11:53
Here comes Adams, which will most probably be trouble.

AGod
24/06/2014 11:59
Sounded a very poor dismissal from Hildreth again.

It might well be time to give Alex Barrow a chance in the middle order.

Grockle
24/06/2014 11:59
The cloud is grey but unmoving here. Unlike James who has just gone softly to Shahzad. 141 for 4

(Sm72)

Grockle
24/06/2014 12:04
Yep. Wide one guided to Adams. He seems to have these little lapses. It's a shame because they were both looking very solid up to that point. Big day for the Craig's now. If CK wants to wave his hand at selectors he needs a BIG score here. If he fails we need real heroics from Overton and Meschede to see this game into Wednesday.

You may be right about Alex. Vice captain dropped?

(Sm72)

AGod
24/06/2014 12:06
Raining in Leeds now.

Ronniesabre
24/06/2014 12:13
Hildreth is going backwards really!!

AGod
24/06/2014 12:14
I wish these commentators would put a sock in it about aeroplanes. Not everybody is obsessed with them (as these two seem to be).

AGod
24/06/2014 12:15
Yep, Ron.

Averaged an underwhelming 32 last season. A worse 27 this season.

CK dropped on 4.

AGod
24/06/2014 12:22
Yeah, I don't imagine it will actually happen (Hildreth dropping), Grockle.

I can't remember the last time SCCC dropped an established batsman from the CC side. It's happened occasionally from the one-day team, including to Hildreth himself (dropped from T20 in his case.)

But a guy like Alex can't just be a guy who only ever comes in if there's an injury for the rest of his life. If he's in the squad, IMO, then he ought to be seriously competing for a place/seriously considered for a place if somebody else is out of sorts and/or he's in better form than they are. He did seem to make some strides in the second half of last season, including effectively saving a match against Durham (home).

Unless somebody is very young, like Abell, I don't think a club ideally wants batsmen in the squad that are not seriously pushing for a first-team place?

Grockle
24/06/2014 12:24
Difficult chance to Wessels, he got down well but didn't hold. CK not looking particularly settled and Shahzad is giving him a bit of a working over.

(Sm72)

AGod
24/06/2014 12:36
Well, brave effort from Jones, by the sounds of it.

Grockle
24/06/2014 12:42
Gurney beats Jones for pace with first ball of return. 240 minutes, 10 fours 184 balls. Well played Chris but I think that's it.

(Sm72)

AGod
24/06/2014 12:51
We've not mustered a single 50 partnership in this match, as per the commentators. Not one.

When you set that against the Notts scorecard, it's pretty urine poor.

Yes, it was very difficult in the first hour and we lost four before lunch.

But we've had eleven opportunities since lunch on day one in which we've not mustered one single 50 stand.

Grockle
24/06/2014 14:11
It was all going so well and then CK gets over 50 and tries to clear the infield and doesn't. Out for 54 when he needed to get back to just ticking the clock away. Still hasn't learned when to play and when to stay.

(Sm72)

AGod
24/06/2014 14:12
Finally got a 50+ stand but then another soft dismissal by the sounds.

Why batsmen think it's a good idea to take on the short ball with fielders out for it when the only order of the day is to bat time, I do not know.

Ronniesabre
24/06/2014 14:14
so if he hasnt learned when to play and when to stay he cant be good enough for international selection then IMO

AGod
24/06/2014 14:18
Start the car.

Sounded like Meschede tossed it away with too much ambition too early in his knock.

Grockle
24/06/2014 14:26
Gosh Ron you may well be right (not that I think he was in consideration anyway). Patel coming on should have been a pretty good indicator and they should have closed up shop and let Notts run out of ideas. It was going so well.

Pete was keeping himself in check and Craig was seeing it well but going over the top when you are over 50 runs from an innings defeat with half your men back in the hutch suggests he hasn't quite made the move to the longer format yet

Craig M top edged one plain and simple. Knocking off the final 50 and making them come out again is probably the best we can hope for now.

(Sm72)

SheptonPaul
24/06/2014 14:30
Suspect the plan was to push towards the breakeven point a bit before the new ball came along. Didn't work - but it's a strategy...

Grockle
24/06/2014 14:34
I don't think that was a sensible plan anyway to be honest. The only thing that mattered was time at the crease. Cove gone caught behind. Start the car mother. 40 runs to go and George in.

(Sm72)

AGod
24/06/2014 14:43
George is one of the few unlikely to do anything daft.

We're just not a shutting up shop team unfortunately, haven't been for years.

Grockle
24/06/2014 14:47
Well he's just gone over the top as well but he middle his. Get the feeling that if they have any sense they should give Pete something to hit because it looks like he might take them on if they do.

(Sm72)

Grockle
24/06/2014 14:53
OK people Pete has had enough. Just gone to a 50 with a four and six off Gurney and will probably go for anything of value from now on. 16 runs to get GD blockinq and Jamie to come. What else is there to do really?

(Sm72)

Ronniesabre
24/06/2014 15:01
Gosh Grockle glad we agree then. THere are people however who think he should go to the international stage though!!

Grockle
24/06/2014 15:06
Well I suppose few of the other candidates have any better pedigree in terms of four day batting. He did make runs beforehand and he is a better keeper than some being put forward though not all of them.

Did think he had a perfect opportunity today to put himself apart and he threw it away a little.

10 runs needed.

(Sm72)

AGod
24/06/2014 15:23
And, now, for the 9th wicket our second 50 stand of the match.

Grockle
24/06/2014 15:29
Yes a very iffy single which went for four overthrows after a direct hit. The ratio of runs? George 14 Pete 40.

Floodlights are on as the cloud moves in. At home we would be off by now.

(Sm72)

AGod
24/06/2014 15:40
Didn't expect GD to do something daft like that.

Grockle
24/06/2014 15:43
Which is the older Overton?

(Sm72)

Grockle
24/06/2014 15:49
Misjudged a full toss and didn't get enough of it. Pete on 99. Sorry 100 as the Somerset contingent rise as 1 104 balls 10 fours and 2 sixes. Pick him as the England keeper!! Bloody marvellous

(Sm72)

AGod
24/06/2014 15:49
Well done, Peter.

Now take that form into Lancs and give them what for from Sunday onwards..

Grockle
24/06/2014 15:55
Off for bad light.

(Sm72)

AGod
24/06/2014 15:59
I bet Trego would do better behind the timbers than Prior!

Ronniesabre
24/06/2014 16:22
some good fight today though. If it actually wasnt so bad on the first day we would be right in this game. But day one was so bad it hasnt really been possible to get totally back into it in any form.

Grizzers
24/06/2014 16:23
Cracking effort Pete.

Now, all we have to do is get 10 wickets for 60 odd !

Grizzzly

Grockle
24/06/2014 17:06
Yep give Pete the gloves. Back on at 5 Jamie giving it the long handle. Lights full on and rain still in the air.

(Sm72)

Grockle
24/06/2014 17:18
Jamies is now outscoring Pete 3 to 1. He scoring at more than a run a ball, just straight driven Adams.

50 partnership up off 48

(Sm72)

AGod
24/06/2014 17:24
Wondering if we can make an all-rounder out of Jamie (once he's found his bowling radar, that is)

nelliec
24/06/2014 17:29
At least we've probably got the best tail in the country at the moment.

Grockle
24/06/2014 17:32
Well batting-wise though bowling? Not so sure. Lots of people reckon we've done the Cove Jove switch.

(Sm72)

AGod
24/06/2014 17:36
2nd 50 of the season for Jamie so good for him.

Suspect Notts will get these tonight unless we go off for light but some respect salvaged today. Means we don't have to go into the Lancs game on a complete downer.

nelliec
24/06/2014 17:37
Similar to 1981.Jove 8 for.....

Grockle
24/06/2014 17:40
It'd have to be Pete for the reference to be correct though

(Sm72)

nelliec
24/06/2014 17:42
true !!!

Scrumper
24/06/2014 17:46
Let's roll these guys over.

Grockle
24/06/2014 17:48
So 0 for 2 what do you reckon guys. Samit has a leg bye so it was a double wicket maiden.

(Sm72)

Loyal of Lhasa
24/06/2014 17:49
Let's take the extra half hour and win this thing tonight.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

AGod
24/06/2014 17:54
No, Grockle it's not correct to say it would have to be Pete (ITcool smiley - as the wickets at Headingley almost all went to Bob Willis from the Kirkstall Lane End.

8 for 34, I think.

Not that I think for one moment that a miracle is imminent.

Grockle
24/06/2014 17:55
If they get Jacques don't joke. Alex Hales has a damaged shoulder, hasn't been on the field most of the afternoon and may only bat if necessary.

(Sm72)

Grockle
24/06/2014 18:00
Yes AG. Bagpuss and I have already agreed on Twitter that Cove would be Willis

(Sm72)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014:06:24:18:01:17 by Grockle.

Grockle
24/06/2014 18:03
Off for bad light. Probably not back I'm afraid.

(Sm72)

AGod
24/06/2014 18:07
Shame as light was, I'd think, our ally.

Can I put in another request to please NOT make Craig O play hit and giggle on Friday!? Too valuable, please give the man the day off so that he has a full three days' rest before Lancs!

AGod
24/06/2014 18:17
Luke Fletcher says no way is Jamie O a number 11.

Grockle
24/06/2014 18:46
Off finally for bad light. So they forced it into a 4th day at least.

(Sm72)

AGod
24/06/2014 18:46
Craig Overton must be one of the top 5 or 6 bowlers in the land at the moment?

Grockle
24/06/2014 18:48
Well he is considerably better than his brother at the moment that is for certain

(Sm72)

rodders
24/06/2014 18:54
Jove is becoming as much of a liability as his brother is becoming an asset. Time for drastic action in this young man's case I think.
In the seconds until he realises he needs a lot more than he presently has. I fear his head has gotten a lot larger than his current ability.
Unless of course we pay him as a batsman.................!

AGod
24/06/2014 18:56
I hope we don't hear JO say again the immediate future that 'I'm the better bowler and Craig is the better batsman.'

That's what he's always said before.

Bagpuss
24/06/2014 21:08
I think the situation needs handling more with kid gloves than a big stick.
Confidence is a fragile thing, the more so when one doesn't have years of experience to fall back on.

nelliec
24/06/2014 21:09
Slightly confused reading main web site .66 for 2 at close? Was told we had a late wicket

AGod
24/06/2014 21:31
We did. 3 down.

Mike TA1
24/06/2014 21:34
With so few runs to play with why bring Jamie on!!

Grockle
24/06/2014 21:42
I think the hope was that either Patel would hole out or we'd be pulled off for bad light. The only other alternative was George. Both Mesch and Pete had proved pretty ineffective. Summit did pummel him though,

(Sm72)

geordie moonraker
24/06/2014 23:41
Never a dull moment when you support Somerset is there. Splendid knock from Jones, from Craig K George Jove and above all the mighty Trego. There were a few flutters in the Notts camp at 0 for 2. We still only get 3 points (barring miracles or torrents) but a bit of self respect is back.
And because the disabled car park spaces were full when we arrived today the steward invited me to park in the Chief Execs space. Felt good.

AGod
25/06/2014 07:04
Well done to the steward.

Grockle
25/06/2014 08:26
Can't agree about Craig K's knock, or at least his dismissal Geordie. He and Pete had Notts at 6s and 7s, they'd forced them to bring on Patel and Pete hadn't even really started. Adams was just hoping for something and our keeper gave it him.

Had those two done what the tailend batsmen had done with the Notts attack we could be in a fairly decent position presently. It may not have happened but it was more likely with him and Trigger than the later heroics with George and Jamie. Bloodrush to the head? Maybe but we should expect him to work against that nowadays.

It was a real opportunity for a man with such potential but as Ron said he showed why he isn't in the contention he should be for an international Test call up.

(Sm72)

geordie moonraker
25/06/2014 08:51
I don't disagree Grockle. I thought the knock was good but the dismissal wasn't. Notts at that stage were going through the motions on the assumption that they had it won. I will however assume that Craig worked out the shot and got it wrong ( I'm very much a think the best of people person)

AGod
25/06/2014 10:00
Realistically, at the start of the day, you'd say that the partnerships with the best theoretical chance of saving us would have been Jones & Hildreth, the survivor of that partnership and CK, and the survivor of that partnership & PT.

Those were the three partnerships that would have to last for a long time to give us a really strong chance of getting out of trouble as everyone to come after those partnerships is a less gifted batsman and/or less experienced and still learning their games.

Those three partnerships, sadly, did not last long enough and two of them were ended with soft dismissals.

Grockle
25/06/2014 11:07
I wasn't talking about hypotheticals I was talking about what actually happened. The ones you are'realistically' talking about did not occur. The Trego Kieswetter one was on-going and changing Notts view of the match at the moment I referred to.

If you want to play with hypothetical 'realism' we shouldn't have been bowled out for 160 odd in the first innings. Now that would have really turned the match on its head!

(Sm72)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014:06:25:11:09:06 by Grockle.

AGod
25/06/2014 11:37
er... I was agreeing with you, Grockle but suggesting that soft dismissals in those partnerships were particularly regrettable as they "should," have been the partnerships occupying the vast majority of the day's play.

Of course, we have no way of knowing whether PT/GD and PT/JO partnerships would still have happened as they did if those first three partnerships had gone on longer with two of them not being curtailed by soft dismissals.

Grockle
25/06/2014 11:40
Err it's over here.

(Sm72)

AGod
25/06/2014 11:45
er.. and everywhere else in CC1, with Northants and Sussex also being sped to defeat within 40 minutes too.

Loyal of Lhasa
25/06/2014 11:54
We still have a game in hand over the two sides above us.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

AGod
25/06/2014 11:56
What's the damage in terms of point differential? I think Notts started five ahead of us and are presumably now about 24 ahead?

Mike TA1
25/06/2014 11:58
The positive thing is we are still in third place and have a game in-hand on the two above, Durham has moved into fourth place behind us with Middlesex moving down one place.

AGod
25/06/2014 12:00
[www.bbc.co.uk]

The damage is 22 points (behind both of the teams ahead of us).

42 points - the equivalent of a couple of wins separate 8 teams.

Anyone that claims to know the destiny of this CC race is either a psychic or a liar.

Equally, SEVEN of those teams are arguably one bad run of games (it would only have to be about three) from taking the place of Lancashire in the relegation area.

Very close, very compelling....

AGod
25/06/2014 12:21
And here is your “Champion” scenario for all of 8 counties that are separated by 42 points – I don’t think too many of them are all that implausible: And all you need to do for the “relegation scenario,” is simply to invert the Championship scenarios – not in their entirety but just to a degree.. again not that implausible. e.g. let’s say Jack Brooks’s chronic back problem KOs him and England prefer Bairstow to Buttler to replace Prior for Yorks...could be trouble for them...
-----------------

Yorkshire: Champion scenario: Bresnan not required by England all summer. Sidebottom, who has already been injured this season does not get injured. Brooks, who has a chronic back problem, keeps going. Bairstow does not get summoned ahead of Jos to replace Prior. Rashid returns from injury and bowls well.

Somerset: Champion scenario: We keep Alf, Lewis G and Craig O fit and in-form for the rest of the season. Tresco’s revival continues. Petersen is adequately replaced if misses more than one CC match. We start to get the odd ton out of Hildreth/Kieswetter.

Durham Champion scenario: Onions and Wood get fit and stay fit and bowl well. Young bowlers like Arshad and Harrison continue to emerge. Collingwood stays fit as Captain (his batting far less important!) Summer is damp so questionable spin resources are not an issue.

Notts Champions scenario: Hales recent revival in the CC continues in absence of Jacques (going back to Aus). Franklin does well as overseas player. They avoid losing Harry Gurney to the Test team. They lose no more than just Gurney (i.e. not Hales, Patel as well) to the ODI team. Summer is damp – so not stuck on turning tracks with only Samit as spinner (!)

Warks Champions scenario: Dry summer gives them the edge with arguably the division’s best spinner (Jeetan Patel). Varun Chopra regains his form. They find somebody (whether development of Hain or revival of Evans/Javid) to fill the number 5 or so role reliably.

Middx Champions scenario: Chris Rogers stays injury free (most important of all!). Steven Finn finds top form but escapes an England recall (unlikely as top form would surely equal a recall?). The out-grounds that they have to play on outside of Lord’s prove result friendly. Somebody (Patel?) develops well enough to give them a good shout if they have to play on turning tracks.

Sussex Champions scenario: Ben Stokes takes Chris Jordan’s England place. Arguably, that could give Sussex the chance of fielding the best new ball attack in the division if they were to use Jordan to take the new ball with Magoffin (yeah, I know they often use Anyon anyway). Chris Nash finds top form with the bat. Yardy gets fit and is in form. The summer is damp to avoid creating an issue with lack of spin.

Lancs champions scenario: Khwaja fulfils the “immense talent,” that he is supposed to have. Davies continues with the promise he’s shown as an opener. Prince goes out with a bang (retiring after season). Chapple and Hogg stay fit. Summer is dry and Kerrigan regains top form. Jos is not taken away by England for Tests.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014:06:25:12:24:05 by AGod.

sandhills
25/06/2014 12:37
Can someone provide an explanation as to why cove bowled all morning especially when the game was gone. Irather hope cove is not over bowled like Jove at times last year.

Mike TA1
25/06/2014 12:37
AG Cricinfo has us 26 points behind the two above. [www.espncricinfo.com]

Clarence Parker
25/06/2014 12:37
If only I could take it all seriously.

Sorry, but I can't.

Phrench Phil
25/06/2014 12:56
Interesting analysis, but you omitted Northants!

AGod
25/06/2014 13:48
I didn't omit them, Phil! I was looking at the 8 teams separated by 42 points...

(but I did stupidly get my sums wrong, Mike, on our deficit, apologies)

Mike TA1
25/06/2014 14:04
That's ok AG I thought the BBC table (which I didn't look at) was showing different total than Cricinfo.

Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
We record all IP addresses on the Sportnetwork message boards which may be required by the authorities in case of defamatory or abusive comment. We seek to monitor the Message Boards at regular intervals. We do not associate Sportnetwork with any of the comments and do not take responsibility for any statements or opinions expressed on the Message Boards. If you have any cause for concern over any material posted here please let us know as soon as possible by e-mailing abuse@sportnetwork.net