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FAKE 2020 CC1 @Warwickshire Grin and Bear it?

By Grockle et al
June 25 2020

In this alternative 2020 reality Tom Banton finally gets into a side because of England's demands on our spinners - and then he bats at 8!!  Jack Brooks gives Jamie Overton a rest on a possibly sluggish pitch in Brum

v WARWICKSHIRE @ Edgbaston Wednesday 24 June 2020

International call ups take out Somerset's whole first class spin attack and therefore Reolof keeps his place while Tom Banton comes in to offer the extra batsman.  On what seems to be a slow pitch, Jack Brooks is called back in to give Jamie Overton a breather.  Other than that the side is the same as that one that took the points in Yorkshire

Tom Abell requests and wins the toss and decides to bat as he has done in every CC1 match this year when he has had the option.  The side is;

Ali, Byrom, Bartlett, Hildreth, Abell, Davies, Gregory, Banton, van der Merwe, Overton C, Brooks

Miles and Norwell open the Warwickshire attack against Somerset and the pitch does suggest there isn't a lot of life off the surface.  Tight bowling keeps everything in check with the first boundary not arriving until the 4th over when Ali finds the rope.  He settles quicker of the two openers while Byrom is nearly caught behind at 35 and then IS a victim to Ambrose just after Chrois woakes takes over inthe 14th over.  Eddie is out for 21 at 46.  Patel is introduced in the 15th.

Azhar moves the score past 50 in a conservative and cautious manner but he can't control what is happening at the other end where George Bartlett becomes Ambrose's second victim off woakes before he has got going at 52 for a score of 1.  Hildreth loooks a little more formidable as he driveshis second ball for four.  Warwickshire try variations before the lunch break with a rota of Norwell, Rhodes and Miles but there are no other incidents and the break comes wiith Somerset on 71 for 2 with Chris Woakes having done the damage with 2 for 20.

The afternoon session starts with Norwell but after James Hildreth puts his second ball over the boundary rope he decides to try around the wicket and almost immediately gets an error and a caught and bowled dismissal of the same batsman for 25 at 84 for 3.  Tom Abell does not stay long either LBW to Miles for 7 at 99.

The 100 comes up but then Steve Davies is the third Ambrose victim as Miles goes around the wicket again 101 for 5 is not great.  The only bbright spark is a very stubborn 50 from Ali (146 balls 6 fours).  Woakes and Patel are back on but Lewis is taking Woakes on which results in a shout at 145 but the ball is just missing.  Up comes the 150 s resistance continues and Tea arrives with 166 on the board for no further loss.

Tea sees Azhar on 71 Lewis on 37 with Miles on 2 for 35 adding to Woakes and hhis 2 for 48.

In the evening session it is Miles who comes to the fore.  First Norwell has Gregory absolutely in front  without adding to the interval score. Banton is off the mark confidently but then snicks Miles to Hose at second slip with only 7 to his name at 179.  RvdM is in and 'wafting' but the next to go is Ali LBW to Miles on 81 just before the Somerset 200.

Warwicckshire take the new ball in the 83rd over but some resistance from RvdM and Overton moves the score on until Craig skies Miles to Sibley for 12 at 238 for his 5-fer (5 for 70) and Jack Brooks makes it 6 when he is plumb first ball.  Somerset all out for a disappointing 238 with only Azhar Ali looking anything like settled.  Miles did the damage after Tea and no one pushed on.

Warwickshire have a dangerous period to bat with enough time for a concerted effort from the Soomerset openers but not really long enough to feel they will be 'in' for tomorrow.  Overton launches the attack and has early 'blood'  catching Sibley straight in front for 5 at 10 for 1.  He then has Bell wonderfully cught by Hildreth diving to his left close in first ball and finds himself on a hat-trick.  Pollock survives and he and Rhodes make it to the end of the day on 34 for 2 with Craig Overton finishing with 2 for 14.


Somerset need early wickets to keep this game from getting away from them and the same attack as last nnight sttart the day.  Overton has Rhodes flashing after oonly one run has been added but in his first over Gregory sees Pollock take the runs needed under 200 - just to keep it in perspective.  However an early close catch from Hildreth does for Pollock from Overton for 17.

The score has moved from 44 to 47 when Overton claims his fourth wicket as Rhodes is caught behind for 19, he then thinks he has his fifth as ex team mate Adam Hose is directly in front of the next ball but the 'no ball!' shout is also pretty clear.  This however seems to unsettle Hose and in the very next over he is out to a superb diving catch from Steve Davies across his first slip fielder.  50 for 5 with 4 for 19 to Craig Overton.

This becomes 5 for 19 as Hain finds himself missing a straight one which rapps his pad without moving the score 50 for 6.

Brooks takes over for the 22nd and RvdM is introduced in the nexxt over.  Woakes hits the first boundary of the day from the 2nd ball of the over but tries to drive the third as well and is well caught by Ali at first slip for 7 as Warwickshire slump to 58 for 7 with an hour to go until lunch on the second day.  Before the over is finished it gets worse as Miles is cleaned up by the Durtchman with the last ball of the 23rd.

Ambrose and RvdM have a bit of a tussle for a while with boundaries and playing and missng being the two most obvious things happening.  As we move towards lunch Gregory is re-introduced for Brooks and he gets Patel almost immediately at 81.  He then repeats this one run later with Ambrose caught Ali for 16 and Warwickshire are 82 all out 156 short of the first innings par score and 6 runs short of the follow on target.....

Somerset decide to NOT enforce the follow on  and so with 13 minutes to go to lunch, they put on 16 before the break.  

Miles and Norwell arre back on after the break and there is a considerable amount of 'fencing' between Norwell and Azhar Ali but it is Byrom who is bowled by Miles for 15 at 37.  He then nearly has Ali but the umpire decides that it is not LBW as the Pakistani got a very slight edge to the ball.

So, the 200 ahead arrives at 44 for 1 and with Woakes and Patel on the visitors go past 50 in their second innings courtesy of a 'savage' four from Bartlett.  Ali reches his second 50 of the game at 90 for 1 (110 balls and 6 fours) 249 ahead, the 250 arrives followed by Somerset's 100.

Tea arrives 7 runs later with Ali on 55 and George Bartlett on 33.

Norwell gets back to the job after the drinks break but except for a couple of edges into space, there is little going for the home side and the score keeps moviing forward.   Ali finally goes caught behind on 66 wiith the score at 134 for 2 courtesy of Miles yet again.

Bartlett's 50 arrives 2 runs later (88 balls 5 fours) and little else changes as the 150 arrives with Somerset over 300 ahead.  George falls LBW to Woakes for an excellent 60at 158 but the work is hard for the bowlers and Norwell and Patel are re-introduced to try and change things.  James Hildreth smacks a couple but it is short lived as he is caught behind off Norwell for 15 at 160.  Patel ends the day facing a forcing stroke off the back foot from Davies at 182 for 4 - 338 ahead with Miles 2 for 52 annd Woakes 1 for 39 but this game is getting away from Warwickshire and Somerset may very well have a big bash before lunch tomorrow and then get to work closing this one down.


With 10 overs to go before the new ball was available, Norwell and Miles are the choice too begin the second half of the game. The first event is the arrival of 200 with 13 of those runs coming from the third Miles over.  Somerset go 350 ahead straight afterwards.

One assumes that Tom Abell  has given his batsment free reign in this first session of the day.  At least that seems to be the strategy as he drives at a ball he really shouldn't have and is caught behind off Norwell at 213 for 5.  The plan is pretty much confirmed when Banton is promoted in the order as the new ball arrives  in the 82nd over.  Davies also confirms it by sending a Miles delivery for six.  However, Woakes wins the contest with Tom who is clean bowled for 1 at 220.  Woakes also wins against Gregory who is also cleaned up for 1 at 226.

Meanwhile, Steve Davies is simply getting on with the job.  He takes another six off the Warwickshire bowlers on his way to a 50 (78 balls 5 fours and 2 sixes) at 237 for 7.  With a single he brings up the 400 lead (obviously the first target of Somerset in this session) and RvdM takes the innings total past 250  with a single.  Davies is dropped by Ambrose at 251 and he takes Rhodes on, seeming not plannning to stop any time soon.  Roelof is caught behind just before the lunch break with the score on 273 and Somerset go in for Lunch at 294 for 8 with Steve Davies on 96.

As this is fantasy and the lead is 450, I decide to give Steve the chance to go to 3 figures by NOT declaring at the break.  I let them come out for a couple of overs.  BUT Woakes is determined not to let the fantasy go forward.  He has the keeper LBW in his secoond over  for 97.  Taking 4 for 60 Chris Woakes keeps Steve under the 100 and keeps the lead to a mere 454.

One hour and 42 minutes to Tea as Warwickshire come out to take on this total. Craig Overton and Lewis Gregory are there to meet Sibley and Rhodes.  Lewis produces a 'peach' at 19 to remove Sibley clean bowled.  Ian Bell has a better start than his first innings one as he puts Overton out of the ground.

Jack Brooks takes over for the 12th and we see RvdM in the 13th.  Bell brings up the 50 with a boundary drive but Rhodes is caught by Bartlett at slip off a leading edge for 28 at 61 for 2.  Tom Abell comes on for the 24th and he clean bowls Bell in his first over - a change in pace gets the England man for 31.

At Tea it is 75 for 3 (379 behind) and an uphill battle for the home side.

Lewis and COve are back on for the start of the third session and Hain is looking like a more settled batsman who is willing to fight for this one.  Pollock, his partner, is dropped - or probably a four is saved - by a wide second slip but the pair start to mmove the score towards 100.  At 93, Gregory clean bowls Hain for 22 while once Warwickshire are the other side of 100, Overton has Pollock caught and bowled at 105 for 17.  The same bowler has Ambrose worried almost inmmediately but he is digging in.

The 40th over sees RvdM on for a more protracted spell even though Adam Hose takes to him in his early overs.  Brooks rejoins himm for the 43rd and has Hose 'dead in the water' in front for 20 at 134 for 6.  He then gets Woakes snicking behind for 6 at 146 and Miles LBW the very next ball.  8 down and less than 150 on the board - this game has gone!!

The 150 comes up and Gregory takes up the mantle for the 55th.  Ambrose is still fighting but the hard working RvdM finally gets him for 34 at 168 some 286 behind.  2 more runs are added before the day ends.  The PC does not allow for the extra half hour I am afraid so we have to come back for Day 4!!


It takes Lewis two balls to send Patel back to the hutch LBW (5) and the game is over without addition.   170 all out, Warwickshire are hammered by 282 runs after looking strong at the end of Day 1.  Azhar Ali is the Man of the Match and Somerset should also thank Steve Davies  for his phenomenal 97.  Somerset are on top 39 points ahead with Yorkshire coming to Taunton for the next FAKE game.  Hampshire are way behind in third.  3 games to go..... 




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FAKE 2020 CC1 @Warwickshire Grin and Bear it?
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020:06:27:23:20:43 by Grockle.

21/06/2020 14:27
Well here's one.

Warks at home without the first or second string spinner (both called up for international duties)

So RvdM and Ali?

Everyone else is about Murali Vijay not yet available

No one on the injury list.

Does this side pick itself?


21/06/2020 14:34
The conditions of the game will be as follows


Farmer White
21/06/2020 15:01
Is Lewis Goldsworthy in the squad? Matthew Carter took ten wickets for Notts against us on debut in 2015 at the same age. He hasn't done much since in red ball cricket, but we may only need one performance. Mason Crane took five for Hampshire at Chester le Street on his debut for Hampshire. Matthew Parkinson took six on debut for Lancashire. It does happen.

Apparently Goldsworthy took wickets at a miserly rate for England Under-19s in the winter. It would be quite a gamble, but if Warks have Patel there may be a bit of dust on the pitch before very long, There usually is if he is playing. It would mean two left-armers so not ideal. Azhar performed brilliantly with his leg spin for us in the RLODC Play-off last year but will his bowling hold up over four days? He has a Test match temperament so it may well. He might be the best option, but Goldsworthy might be worth a thought. It is the sort of thing that is inclined to come off. With vdM and Azhar also in the side it would give us something to respond to Patel with and keep us on the offensive, which Championship-chasing sides should be.

Just a thought at the moment.


Edit: Had not seen pitch conditions when I wrote that but I would still be inclined to think about Goldsworty, if available. The spinners have been taking a lot of wickets in this fantasy league.

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21/06/2020 19:16
No Goldsworthy I'm afraid

Mike Carberry has 17 wickets with spin

There's a youngster called J Ramshaw - an off spinner who I have never heard of but he has been sent up to the first team from the Academy. No first class record at all

And there's Max.


Somerset LaLaLa
21/06/2020 22:05
This is the worst pitch we've seen all season, a bowler's paradise which should deteriorate. Bounce Average and Wear Average, first time there have been 2 average ratings together.

If it means anything, wickets should come easily and to counter this I would like to play an extra batsman in this match. We also have Leach who I suggest should bowl much of the overs, particularly at the end. After his absence, I would expect him to take about half the overall wickets and Gregory maybe 4. Cove and Jove should benefit from the pitch as well.

Given our strong league position and that Warwickshire is the weakest side we are still to face, this is a good opportunity imo for Banton to return. I would also entertain Farmer's suggestion of introducing 1 or 2 players from the seconds, but probably not on this occasion.

Therefore: Ali, Byrom, Bartlett, Hildreth, Abell, Banton, Davies, Gregory, Cove, Jove, Leach

One further issue is the weather on the first day, I would consider asking Warwickshire to bat. if we get them out cheaply and amass a large score, then hopefully our final run chase will be minimal

21/06/2020 22:48
No Leach SLLL,so RVM obviously in his place

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22/06/2020 14:11
I’m all for playing Ramshaw as a second spinner even at the expense of maybe Ali and let Banton open with Byrom.Think it’s worth a risk and with Ali off soon Banton deserves a chance.Alis average must be under 30 now.
Van de Merwe

22/06/2020 14:59
Is this guy Ramshaw real or a PC avatar? I've never heard of him


22/06/2020 15:13
Who cares if he can tori the ball square on a dust bowl

22/06/2020 15:31
What is Max’s rating like .Not that impressive I wouldn’t have thought .

22/06/2020 15:46
Max has 140 overs 10 wickets 49 3 Econ 3.52.

Jack is 24.15 Econ 2.7 Dom 28.83 3.37 RvdM 35.25 3.99


Somerset LaLaLa
22/06/2020 16:27
It's August so Jack Leach is available. And happy birthday to him today 22nd June, which means he's not available

Farmer White
22/06/2020 16:34
Here are the latest Farmer ramblings:

Not sure about Ramshaw because we know nothing about him whereas we do know something about Goldsworthy, although to a degree the same argument I put in favour of Goldsworthy can be put for Ramshaw, namely the potential impact of debut spinners, and Ramshaw does turn it the opposite way from vdM. So, to that degree I would be tempted. I wouldn't consider Max Waller because he has never developed a stock ball. That could cost dearly in red ball cricket.

I have a question in my mind about Jamie O. How many games on the trot has he had? Does he need a rest? In any event, we will need him fresh for the run in, given we have Yorkshire, Hampshire at Southampton and Essex to come after this, so I would want his firepower for all three of those games.

It goes hard against the grain but I wonder, given the pitch, whether this is one of those rare cases where we should consider a seventh batsman and use Azhar in a different role, namely as an attacking bowler and a specialist batsman against their spinners. He played a brilliant, one of my remember-for-all-time, innings against Ashwin at Taunton last year. That would mean batting him at six and bringing in an opener. I don't like batting people out of position. I am not sure it is often that successful, but this would be for positive reasons and give him the responsibilty for carrying out two key roles, so it just might work here. It might help the team too to know they were going in with an attacking, rather than a defensive, response to the loss of two key players. Assuming the software considers such things.

I undestand the push to bring Banton in, for a number of reasons - that he could turn a low-scoring game in an hour being one - and a bit of me wants to see how the software reads him. If we had the seventh batsman, and Azhar went to six to deal with the spin, he would have to open. However, given Carberry's record in this fantasy stuff before he was injured I wonder if he would be the better bet to open.

Can't make suggestions without at least saying what I would do if the decision were mine, so my team is below. Davey rather than Brooks for Overton as a one-off because with seven batsmen we may need someone who can bowl longish spells. Banton for Carberry I wouldn't argue much against, neither would I argue too strongly against not resting Overton. I would worry a bit more about Ramshaw because, tempting though it is, he is a complete unknown.


van der Merwe
C Overton

A risk, but with no Leach or Bess I think a risk of some description or other will have to be taken. Perhaps Craig O above vdM.


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22/06/2020 17:29
According to Grockles 1st post Somerset LaLaLa born Leach and Bess called up for England

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020:06:22:17:31:21 by nelliec.

22/06/2020 17:39
I think if it’s going to be a low scoring game iwhere your eventually get a ball that’s too good,a fast scoring batsman like Banton who will attack the spinners might be a better option than Carberry.I would personally leave Ali to open and bat Banton at 7.

22/06/2020 21:08
Eddie Byrom? Leg Spin?


Farmer White
22/06/2020 22:17
There is some point in that Nelliec. I think it is probably a case of you pays your money and you takes your choice, and then hope you bought the right choice. Very difficult to cover for both Leach and Bess on what will probably be a turning track.


22/06/2020 22:43
So no Bess so options available.
.Just bring in an extra batsman
Replace with an untried spinner or Max who could be expensive.
Add Brooke’s or Davey
Batting wise Banton or Carberry For Ali or Bess.
Personally I would take the safety first option and go in with one spinner plus Ali and Banto

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Somerset LaLaLa
22/06/2020 23:42
Nelliec, I read that as Warwickshire not having spinners.

No Leach makes the proposition of 4 bowlers a greater risk, but I feel one that is worth taking. Farmer’s idea of bringing back Carberry is really intriguing, but Ali has excelled as opener and I wouldn’t want to change his position. Probably we need to go for Banton, surely he cannot finish the season averaging 10? Other than that Kervezee could come in lower down the order.

It would be a brave decision not to play a spinner and Gregory to me is essential. The point of resting Jove is sensible with Yorkshire, Hampshire and Essex on the horizon. However we need to get the 20 wickets and given that Brooks has taken more than Davey, he gets my nod.

Revised side: Ali, Byrom, Bartlett, Hildreth, Abell, Banton, Davies, Gregory, Cove, vdM, Brooks

23/06/2020 08:49
Happy with that.Dont know if SD would be happy dropping to 7 after his 90 in the last game though

Farmer White
23/06/2020 11:04
Given without Leach and Bess there is no ideal solution I could live with that. Brooks has proved me wrong more than once this season so, whilst I think Davey would be the safer option Craig O and vdM can both keep it tight and, as SLLL says we do need 20 wickets. A win here would give us aat least a one-game cushion with three to play. Davies, last season at least, showed himself very capable of staying with our lower order while they hit out so may be a better option at seven than Banton who would also have Davies to secure an end.


Somerset LaLaLa
23/06/2020 12:01
What do you reckon about us bowling first? It's not often I say that, but look at the weather conditions.

This simulation seems to have very high first innings scores for the side batting first. Can we limit them somehow to 250 and then get 320? A Warwickshire second innings collapse for 100 would leave us needing 30?

That is the thinking anyhow: outscore them with our strength in batting and let the pitch do the rest. Though if we batted first and made 250, then maybe they could collapse first innings?

Another outcome is we get totally hammered for lack of wicket taking... that is what this discussion is about. I call it covering my posterior, others may refer to it as due diligence

23/06/2020 12:11
I may have to run a poll for batsmen. Hope that Banton would be up and coming by now but unsure that his first class record based on 2019 is that hot

We are still working on our 2020 perceptions versus the 2019 perceptions of the PC to some extent.

The general consensus seems to be to opt for RvdM as the only spinner and not opt for an unknown youngster or Max at first class (history would suggest that the machine would assume he would be expensive - though if it wasn't an important match it might be worth the experiment).

The only 2 questions seem to be

Davey or Brooks - with this pitch I'm not sure I'd personally go with Brooks

Carberry or Banton - extra man at 7 though I would not move Davies from 6 after Yorkshire
I'd also not put Carberry at 7, he would have to open with Ali - meaning moving Eddie to 7!

We could of course go with both Carberry AND Banton offering Carberry as another possible slow man IF the pitch does take spin in the second half.

What are your thought selectors. I'd like to run this game from TOMORROW if possible.


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23/06/2020 12:18
So the question areas as far as I can see

1. Ali
3. Bartlett
4. Hildreth
5. Abell
6. Davies (wk) or ??
7.?? or Davies (wk)
8. Craig Overton
9. RvdM
10. Jamie Overton

Perm any three from Byrom, Banton, Carberry, Davey, Brooks


Farmer White
23/06/2020 13:19
I think after the discussion there is some consensus around which most of us could live:

Ali, Byrom, Bartlett, Hildreth, Abell, Banton, Davies, Gregory, Cove, vdM, Brooks

It isn't ideal, but none of the suggestions are because of the impossibility of replacing Leach and Bess on a pitch that will probably turn. I would be happy with Davies at six or seven. There are arguments either way.

Whatever the team, have a toss, and if we win it then bat. There are only rare occasions when I would insert, and this isn't one of them. If the pitch is going to deteriorate, use the best of it, and get the runs on the board early (Ask WG). Inserting would put huge pressure on our depleted bowling attack, and on our batsmen if Warwickshire got away. Runs on the board would take the pressure off vdM and Azhar and give them time to apply some pressure on batsmen facing the pressure of a decent total on a pitch that is unlikely to improve.


23/06/2020 13:25
Byrom ,Banton and Brooke’s.
Would also swap Jamie for Gregory (not on your list Grockle)

23/06/2020 15:06
And bat Lewis at 8?


Somerset LaLaLa
23/06/2020 15:11
Bowling selection here for me is on who would take the most wickets. That would be Leach by a mile, so without him I would suggest Gregory as it's a bouncy track and there is lots of cloud forecast for the start of the match. Then probably Brooks. And after that Jove, but I accept he should be rested. vdM on a turning track is the wildcard. A quick look at Wiki says his best first class figures are 4/22

23/06/2020 16:18

Overton C

Ask for a toss. If we win we bat.

Use Ali if required and Eddie at a push.

I won't drop Steve down or put Tom in front of Lewis based on PC stats in this season.


24/06/2020 11:32
We won the toss with the side above and we will bat


Somerset LaLaLa
24/06/2020 12:12
Thanks for the update, Come On Somerset

24/06/2020 12:40
Can you give us a link to the live stream Grockle 😂😂😂

24/06/2020 18:52
Funnily enough I did check that out but the video slows the game play down and the audio is not there. May do it IF we get to a CC1 title game.

Day 1 not wonderful.... report will be there a little later.


25/06/2020 10:22
Sorry PC and wifi conspired not to allow me to put Day 1 on last night. Will do it this morning


25/06/2020 11:16
238 all out with only Azhar really firing. Miles 5 for 70

But Cove did a little to redress the balance with 2 for 14 before the end of play Bell out first ball.


25/06/2020 12:36
34 for 2 at the start of play. All out just 1 hour and 30 minutes later for 82!! Cove 6 for 19, 2 for RvdM in his first over and LG takes the last 2

Do we enforce? 156 runs ahead with 2 days and 2 sessions to go? I'll leave it for an hour or so....


Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020:06:25:13:08:28 by Grockle.

Somerset LaLaLa
25/06/2020 13:47
The weather conditions for the afternoon session of day 2 look bad for batting.

This pitch is going to deteriorate as the game progresses.

Difficult one, I would ask them to follow on, but when we did that against Kent... they made 350+. It wouldn't be nice to chase 200 on this pitch.

However, I don't expect Warwickshire to score that many. Are they bottom in the division?

25/06/2020 13:53
Think they were bottom

Farmer White
25/06/2020 14:06
Head on block time. Bat again. Teams usually do better second time around following on. We wouldn't want to chase many against Patel given the behviour of the pitch. If we collapse it does open up te risk of Warks being presented with a target they might just see as achievable and concentrate their minds. There is risk either way. but, I think, unless there is any real indication that the pitch might improve, there is less risk batting again.

Ali's innings is interesting. Sounds like a very similar performance to the one against Ashwin last year.


25/06/2020 14:20
Hokay people one for one against. Given the nature of the last couple of days and our extra batsman I'm going to bat them out of this one if I can and see how it goes.


25/06/2020 14:35
Enforce the follow-on!! We've only spent 24 overs in the field and our bowlers are on a roll!!

25/06/2020 15:01
Too late Mike.

We didn't and we go into lunch at 16 for 0 172 ahead.

I didn't because we have effectively a 4 man bowling attack and we were where we were because of Craig (It was 5 for 20 by the way Lewis got 3 for 30). We also went into this one with an extra batsman and the bats hadn't exactly been pushed first innings.

Also, except for Miles the Warks attack had been pretty toothless as well. Would like something over 300 ahead at the end of Day 2 and then a smash before lunch and put them in for 5 sessions. As long as the weather doesn't play a part we've been pretty good at getting the best of sides in that scenario.

BUT we'll have to see


25/06/2020 15:09
Fair enough. I know I am much more of an enforcer (in follow-on terms) than many these days (looking at you Bagpuss) and I'm not saying my philosophy is always the correct one.
I do think that captains who choose not to enforce not infrequently leave their declaration too late, possibly out of a desire not to give the opposition a sniff having already taken the safety-first option; Ponting regularly did this (and was sometimes rescued by the quality of his bowlers), and it was one of several factors in our failure to finish of Warw in the Hannon-Dalby draw (or should I say the Nick Cook draw) the other year.
Do we get to decide when to declare, should the match situation warrant it, or is that in the hands of our virtual skipper now we've taken the major strategic decision?

Somerset LaLaLa
25/06/2020 15:53
Interesting to look at the Warwickshire bowler selection for the pitch conditions: 4 medium or medium/fast (Miles, Norwell, Woakes, Rhodes) and 1 spinner (Patel)

25/06/2020 16:42
If things go to plan the declaration may come during the first session tomorrow. Or Warks may decide it for us and make a game of it this afternoon. At Tea we are 107 for 1 263 ahead with Azhar on 55 and George on 33.

Mike Carberey back in for Eddie next match perhaps? Or Bants up front?


Farmer White
25/06/2020 16:55
Unless there is weather about I wouldn't declare too early. It isn't just about keeping the game safe (but we do know all about flattening pitches at Taunton and sides winning with scores of over 400 in the fourth innigngs), but, more to the point, about squeezing the last bit of hope out of the opposition. Unless there is a prospect of rain, I would set them at least 450, especially if we continue to pile up runs. That would still give us five sessions, or very near, to bowl them out.


25/06/2020 17:55
Who decides on the declaration? I'm sure this has come up before but I'm taking two minutes out of cooking supper and don't have time to check it out right now.

Somerset LaLaLa
25/06/2020 18:21
Usually Farmer, using the JCW Declaration Method.

Is it possible to bring Banton up the order for this innings?

Farmer White
25/06/2020 19:59
Which, where time and weather allow, is to squeeze the spirit out of the opposition and then to set our bowlers on them. Other methods are available, and probably more likely to have worked if mine is applied!


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25/06/2020 20:42
Nothing really goes right for the Bears!!

Ali gets past 50 before he goes.

George Bartlett also goes past 50 before he goes.

Somerset finish on 182 for 4. 338 ahead with Steve Davies and Tom Abell in for tomorrow morning.

I'd have everyone going for it tomorrow!! Tell Tom to put the anchor down and then have Steve, Lewis, Tom, RvdM and Craig give it the long handle to push this score over 400 by lunch.

Then let the boys loose.


Farmer White
25/06/2020 20:51
No need to take undue risk. Just plain positive batting from here should get us to a 450 lead, or close enough, by Lunch. From here 112 in a session is perfectly gettable. In a real match I would simply tell the batsmen we want a lead of 450, but will declare at Lunch come what may. They should be able to sort it out between them from there.


25/06/2020 22:15
Yeah. It's not hard from here. Just needs to be done.

Hope Banton gets a few. There's a case to be made that Eddie is not getting runs up front and Mike Carberry and Tom may be making a case for a spot.


26/06/2020 14:44
We push the score in the first session of Day 3. Mostly because of Steve Davies!!

Tom Abell goes for 22.

We promote Tom Banton but Woakes bowls him for 1.

In comes Lewis ready to fire but Woakes bowls him for 1

So Roelof and Steve takes the score to a lead of 400 (with the sixes coming from the keeper) and then on from there to 450 at the end of the day with Davies on 97 and RvdM goind just before the Lunch break for 10.

I didn't declare. I cam back out to let SD get his hundred. BUT Woakes has him LBW for 97 so we declare with a lead of 454.

Well it was a fantasy game and we didn't really need to declare at a certain point. Not sure Warwickshire would have seen it that way though.


Farmer White
26/06/2020 15:06
I doubt it makes any difference to the software, and I don't have any stats, but my impression over the years is that changing the batting order mid-innings usually fails. My heart always sinks when Somerset do it. At first-class level I think so much of batting takes place in the mind, and I wonder if sudden promotion disturbs a batsman's mental preparation, which, at first-class level, I suspect starts sometime before the innings does.

None of that is based on any statistics, so may be wide of the mark, but it is an impression which has built up over the years.


26/06/2020 17:28
The only thing in its favour here would have been that Tom would have been aware of his movement up the order by one the evening before and would have been waiting to be the next man in.

As it was it made no difference to him or Lewis as Woakes took them both out while on a roll


26/06/2020 18:09
So 1 and 3/4 hours before Tea Day 3.

454 needed for a Warks victory

Sibley gone at 19 Gregory

Rhodes gone at 61Gregory

Bell gone at 67 Abell

75 for 3 at Tea

Hain gone 93 Gregory

Pollock gone 105 Overton

Hose gone 134 Brooks

Woakes gone 146 Brooks

Miles gone 146 Brooks

Ambrose gone 168 RvdM

End of Day 3 (no half hour option) 170 for 9

I think this one is done?


27/06/2020 12:34
It took Lewis 2 balls Patel LBW for 5

170 all out Somerset win by 282 runs

Somerset 215 points

Yorkshire 174

Hampshire into third 147

11 games played 3 to go... NEXT YORKSHIRE @ Taunton!!


Farmer White
27/06/2020 13:05
Keep calm and play on.


27/06/2020 13:21
No Spinners again it seems. Banton? Byrom? Carberry? Jamie? Josh?


Somerset LaLaLa
27/06/2020 13:29
Not sure that Patel took any? And vdM 3? With the wonders of hindsight, we could have gone with 4 quicks there.

We need to continue with Banton, something tells me that he could become an England international one day. The likelihood is we won't see another average pitch next against Yorkshire, so need to be looking at resting a batsman

27/06/2020 20:34
Are we in a situation where if we beat Yorkshire... we've won it? The 20 odd points there would leave Yorks on 170 odd and take us to 240 ish.... with 2 games to go.



Farmer White
27/06/2020 20:51
By my reckoning, unless another team is close behind Yorkshire, and assuming both Yorkshire and Somerset each have three games left, Somerset need eight points more than Yorkshire in the next game to secure the title. A win would do it with some to spare. Now, that is some fantasy. Calm heads required.


27/06/2020 21:40
Hsmpshire are 30 ish points behind them.


Somerset LaLaLa
27/06/2020 22:09
We will be very close to the title if we draw with Yorkshire, needing only a few more bonus points to make it safe. Objective number 1, not to lose to them.

There you go, we've all jinxed it now

Edited to remove jinx

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Farmer White
27/06/2020 23:08

We have all simply stated facts. No jinx there, although an edit to 'if we draw with Yorkshire' in your last post might be even safer. Not that I am superstitious. Perish the thought ...


27/06/2020 23:19
Well I've assumed the machine would put the mockers on it all from Game 8 but it hasn't happened and I assume it is working on the basis that statistically we have done better in the second half of a CC1 season than the first for most of the last decade.

Long may it continue.

I plan to run the Yorkshire game from Tuesday so any changes need sorting.

Presently I am assuming the bowling stays mostly the same though there may be a seam change or two?

The only batting conversation would be about a top 3 change perhaps and the nature of number 8.


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